Through Bucky's Win ...
The B1G is 8-0 (1 left to Play, Mich v South Car)
The SEC is 1-3 (with 5 teams left to play, 2 in playoffs)
http://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2017-12-28/college-football-how-every-conference-has-fared-years-bowl-games
Yet the B1G gets no team in the playoffs and the SEC gets two.
SEC overrated? B1G underrated?
Thoughts?
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No.
SEC is better at the top.
B10 is a deeper league.
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It's Heise. What else should we expect?
The Big Ten has gotten a lot better in the last few years. The coaching has improved with many of the programs which has helped tremendously.
Ohio State is the only team that had a legit shot at the playoffs. But getting blown away at home to Oklahoma didn't help. Alabama had just as good a case so I can't really say the B10 got screwed.
The Big 10 has had a great run. And despite the wailing and gnashing of teeth that will occur here because some of you guys can never wear red, Bucky had an incredible season and is a legitimate threat to compete for a national championship next year. Getting back some of those redshirt Junior defensive guys for one more run might be the key. The offense should be world class.
2018 Schedule:
at Iowa
at Michigan
at Northwestern
at Purdue
at Penn State
If UW can go 4-1 in those games, it will be a successful season. But 3-2 might be more likely.
Bowl records are always a terrible way to measure conference strength, but a little context ....
A team that went 7-2 in the Big 10 needed to stop a last-minute two-point conversion (that wouldn't have been attempted in the regular season) to squeak past a team that went 4-4 in the SEC.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 31, 2017, 10:28:04 AM
2018 Schedule:
at Iowa
at Michigan
at Northwestern
at Purdue
at Penn State
If UW can go 4-1 in those games, it will be a successful season. But 3-2 might be more likely.
It'll be a challenge, no doubt.
Shouldn't the post title be:
SEC v B1G In Meaningless Exhibitions?
When Miami scored in the third quarter, they did an excited fans shot. Right behind an adorable blonde was a young man (20's) with a navy 3/4 zip with an MU logo on it that he was holding out and showing to the world. Two thoughts: Nice work on the blonde. And what in the hell is an MU alum doing at a Wisconsin football game? (unless it was for the blonde. Then all makes sense. We've all done stupid sh!t to impress a girl)
Quote from: jsglow on December 31, 2017, 10:24:30 AM
The Big 10 has had a great run. And despite the wailing and gnashing of teeth that will occur here because some of you guys can never wear red, Bucky had an incredible season and is a legitimate threat to compete for a national championship next year. Getting back some of those redshirt Junior defensive guys for one more run might be the key. The offense should be world class.
Bucky had an incredibly easy schedule this year. Played no ranked teams until tOSU in the conference championship.
10 of the 11 starters on D are seniors. Some are redshirt juniors, how many will return? Hw many will grad transfer?
They will be good next year, no doubt. But world class? Thorsen is a better QB and NU might be as good, if not better.
Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on December 31, 2017, 12:13:15 PM
Bucky had an incredibly easy schedule this year. Played no ranked teams until tOSU in the conference championship.
10 of the 11 starters on D are seniors. Some are redshirt juniors, how many will return? Hw many will grad transfer?
They will be good next year, no doubt. But world class? Thorsen is a better QB and NU might be as good, if not better.
::) At least get your facts correct.
Quote from: jsglow on December 31, 2017, 12:17:00 PM
::) At least get your facts correct.
The BCS ranked them with the easiest schedule in the top 25
If they played Auburn or ND's schedule this year, they would have been 8-4. (among the hardest schedules in the country)
...Ok, Iowa was #20 the week they beat them, the only week they were ranked all year. Michigan was #25 when they beat them, not ranked now. So I'll rephrase ... they beat no team that could be consistently ranked all season. They only beat teams that made a cameo in the top 25.
So at the end of season rankings, the biggest regular season win they had this year was Northwestern at home. Please make the case for me that a team that has Northwestern as its signature win is "world class" and "in the hunt for the playoffs."
Bucky is a good team, they will be ranked next year. Don't go further than that.
Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on December 31, 2017, 12:32:00 PM
The BCS ranked them with the easiest schedule in the top 25
If they played Auburn or ND's schedule this year, they would have been 8-4. (among the hardest schedules in the country)
...Ok, Iowa was #20 the week they beat them, the only week they were ranked all year. Michigan was #25 when they beat them, not ranked now. So I'll rephrase ... they beat no team that could be consistently ranked all season. They only beat teams that made a cameo in the top 25.
So at the end of season rankings, the biggest regular season win they had this year was Northwestern at home. Please make the case for me that a team that has Northwestern as its signature win is "world class" and "in the hunt for the playoffs."
Bucky is a good team, they will be ranked next year. Don't go further than that.
Here you go again. Shifting goalposts. Let's count the ways you did so in this very post
1. glow never said Wisconsin was "world class." He said next year's offense should be.
2. You are the only person who said "hunt for the playoffs." So I have no idea why you put quotes around it because you were literally quoting no one.
3. Regardless, UW was in the hunt for the playoffs. Had they beat OSU, they would have been in the playoffs. But they didn't win and didn't make it. I don't think anyone here feels that they got screwed.
I mean, your inability to logically stick to your own points of argument is very odd. But I guess that way you are never really wrong huh?
Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on December 31, 2017, 12:32:00 PM
The BCS ranked them with the easiest schedule in the top 25
If they played Auburn or ND's schedule this year, they would have been 8-4. (among the hardest schedules in the country)
...Ok, Iowa was #20 the week they beat them, the only week they were ranked all year. Michigan was #25 when they beat them, not ranked now. So I'll rephrase ... they beat no team that could be consistently ranked all season. They only beat teams that made a cameo in the top 25.
So at the end of season rankings, the biggest regular season win they had this year was Northwestern at home. Please make the case for me that a team that has Northwestern as its signature win is "world class" and "in the hunt for the playoffs."
Bucky is a good team, they will be ranked next year. Don't go further than that.
You mean until they handled the #10 team last night in a true road game?
Look, you can diminish Wisconsin as much as you want. They were a legit Top 5-10 team this year and will likely begin next season ranked similarly. And had they beaten tOSU, they
absolutely would be in the playoffs. No reasonable person disputes that.
Quote from: jsglow on December 31, 2017, 10:24:30 AM
The Big 10 has had a great run. And despite the wailing and gnashing of teeth that will occur here because some of you guys can never wear red, Bucky had an incredible season and is a legitimate threat to compete for a national championship next year. Getting back some of those redshirt Junior defensive guys for one more run might be the key. The offense should be world class.
UW should be very good again next year, but let's not get carried away about the offense. It was an offense that ranked 50th in yards and 29th in points this year. You're either counting on a
huge leap forward or have a very broad definition of world class.
More likely, you're overstating the significance of their success against a fairly overrated Miami team that finished its season with four consecutive poor defensive showings.
Quote from: jsglow on December 31, 2017, 12:17:00 PM
::) At least get your facts correct.
Not to mention heisy was wrong on the number of senior starters on D. Edwards, Connelly, Nelson, and Dixon all are juniors. #factsnomatta
Quote from: tower912 on December 31, 2017, 11:39:44 AM
When Miami scored in the third quarter, they did an excited fans shot. Right behind an adorable blonde was a young man (20's) with a navy 3/4 zip with an MU logo on it that he was holding out and showing to the world. Two thoughts: Nice work on the blonde. And what in the hell is an MU alum doing at a Wisconsin football game? (unless it was for the blonde. Then all makes sense. We've all done stupid sh!t to impress a girl)
He may be like me.
Live in Wisconsin and was a Badger football AND basketball fan as a kid until my dad took me to see MU and George Thompson. Have been an MU fan ever since and could care less about UW basketball
Still a UW football fan though.
Quote from: jsglow on December 31, 2017, 12:47:10 PM
You mean until they handled the #10 team last night in a true road game?
Look, you can diminish Wisconsin as much as you want. They were a legit Top 5-10 team this year and will likely begin next season ranked similarly. And had they beaten tOSU, they absolutely would be in the playoffs. No reasonable person disputes that.
Yeah, it will be fun pretending this summer they are a playoff team. Until this stretch, and when they go 3-2,pkus another loss somewhere else ... Hello Music City Bowl.
Sultan, glow said above ...
Bucky had an incredible season and is a legitimate threat to compete for a national championship next year. So yes, this is another way of saying "in the hunt." Bend your goal posts the correct way.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 31, 2017, 10:28:04 AM
2018 Schedule:
at Iowa
at Michigan
at Northwestern
at Purdue
at Penn State
If UW can go 4-1 in those games, it will be a successful season. But 3-2 might be more likely.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on December 31, 2017, 01:07:43 PM
Not to mention heisy was wrong on the number of senior starters on D. Edwards, Connelly, Nelson, and Dixon all are juniors. #factsnomatta
Redshirt juniors, academic seniors. Can graduate and leave or grad transfer, as I said
#readingnomatta
Quote from: Pakuni on December 31, 2017, 01:02:41 PM
UW should be very good again next year, but let's not get carried away about the offense. It was an offense that ranked 50th in yards and 29th in points this year. You're either counting on a huge leap forward or have a very broad definition of world class.
They were 29th in points with all true freshman and Sophs at the skill positions.
Offense will be better. Probably best combo of RBs and WRs in the country next year.
Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on December 31, 2017, 01:12:13 PM
Redshirt juniors, academic seniors. Can graduate and leave or grad transfer, as I said
#readingnomatta
The only one leaving for the NFL is Nelson. The others will be back.
Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on December 31, 2017, 01:10:35 PM
Yeah, it will be fun pretending this summer they are a playoff team. Until this stretch, and when they go 3-2,pkus another loss somewhere else ... Hello Music City Bowl.
Sultan, glow said above ... Bucky had an incredible season and is a legitimate threat to compete for a national championship next year. So yes, this is another way of saying "in the hunt." Bend your goal posts the correct way.
Again, you quoted something no one said.
But he was talking about *next* year. You were specifically talking about *this* year when you said this: "Please make the case for me that a team that has Northwestern as its signature win is "world class" and "in the hunt for the playoffs."
So yet again, you are mixing up your discussion points in an attempt to always seem right. Disingenuous.
Quote from: Jockey on December 31, 2017, 01:13:14 PM
They were 29th in points with all true freshman and Sophs at the skill positions.
Offense will be better. Probably best combo of RBs and WRs in the country next year.
That scoring stat is inflated nicely by 6 defensive scores (second in the nation). The yardage figure is a more accurate representation of the offense. And, while I think it's a bit unfair to tarnish UW's success because of their schedule, let's not discount the quality of competition they racked up those yards against.
Also, didn't Hornibrook redshirt?
I'll simply beg to differ on the quality of UWs receiving corps.
Hornibrook redshirted in 2015.
Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on December 31, 2017, 01:12:13 PM
Redshirt juniors, academic seniors. Can graduate and leave or grad transfer, as I said
#readingnomatta
You are correct. I stopped reading after 10 of 11 seniors because I have never heard anyone use academic standing when discussing athletic eligibility.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on December 31, 2017, 01:36:31 PM
You are correct. I stopped reading after 10 of 11 seniors because I have never heard anyone use academic standing when discussing athletic eligibility.
Other than the announcers in yesterday's game as that is how they described it and where I got it from.
#schoolnomatta
Well, I watched the game on DVR at a friend's house. He's quite good at skipping the between play riff raff so I missed that comment. Mea Culpa.
Wisconsin should be very good next year, but I'm not sure national championship hunt. The schedule is much more demanding and hard to see them winning the Big Ten title, but they will be very good.
However, must disagree with the Miami victory as a big deal. Miami was questioned all season as overrated until they beat Notre Dame. After seeing what ND did, was that victory that impressive? Miami proceeded the next week to struggle at home against a 6-5 Virginia squad in which the Canes trailed 28-14 in the second half. Miami came back to win that game, but proceeded to lose to 5-7 Pittsburgh the next week, then get killed by Clemson the week after. They ultimately lost 3 straight and very well could have been four. They struggled to beat FSU winning in final seconds, beat Ga. Tech by 1 in Miami. This was not a top 10 team. I've seen some ratings with them between 16 and 20.
Ok but what teams are clearly better than UW? The four playoff teams plus Ohio State plus maybe Auburn. That's all I got.
Sixth or seventh makes sense to me.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 31, 2017, 04:10:21 PM
Ok but what teams are clearly better than UW? The four playoff teams plus Ohio State plus maybe Auburn. That's all I got.
Sixth or seventh makes sense to me.
Penn State probably belongs in the conversation. Two losses, but by a combined four points on the road against ranked teams (and unusual circumstances in East Lansing).
Put it this way ... if they were to meet next week at a neutral site, I believe Penn State would be favored.
Ok I'll give you that too. So 6th to 8th.
You guys can poo poo Miami all you want and I agree to a point. But yesterday was a true road game for Bucky and that can't be understated.
As I said, somewhere between 5-10.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 31, 2017, 04:10:21 PM
Ok but what teams are clearly better than UW? The four playoff teams plus Ohio State plus maybe Auburn. That's all I got.
Sixth or seventh makes sense to me.
Georgia has one of the best-recruiting classes in history in 2018 and clearly the #1 class.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2017/12/20/16788196/georgia-recruiting-class-2018
Bucky incoming class is #37
https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
So Bucky has to make hay next year, after that, they "go away" (like their basketball team has).
So who is better than Bucky?
Alabama
Georgia
Clemson
Oklahoma
Auburn
Ohio State
Penn State
USC (only if Darnold returns)
Who is equal to Bucky?
USC (w/o Darnold)
TCU
LSU
ND (big class coming in)
Michigan (decent class coming in, decent redshirts coming
Mich State (see above).
Stanford
Ok State
Who is behind Bucky but can pass them?
Northwestern (They have a 5th year QB that will play on Sunday)
VT
Miss State
Texas (big class coming)
So Bucky starts the year ranked between 5 and 10. They will have 2 to 3 losses with their harder schedule. They will be ranked between 10 and 20 at the end of the year and go to a decent bowl.
This is a good year! But they are not in the upper echelon of FBS.
Heisey, I was talking this year.
Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on December 31, 2017, 05:22:19 PM
Georgia has one of the best-recruiting classes in history in 2018 and clearly the #1 class.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2017/12/20/16788196/georgia-recruiting-class-2018
Bucky incoming class is #37
https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
So Bucky has to make hay next year, after that, they "go away" (like their basketball team has).
Clueless. This is typically where their recruiting is.
They haven't "gone away" for the last 20 years; they are not going away after next year.
UW has built an excellent model for itself. Lock up the in-state talent, get skill position players from Florida, the east coast, Ohio, etc., and get a bunch of walk-ons who will work their tails off and set an example for the scholarship players.
Barry Alvarez learned all this at Nebraska under Bob Devaney who had a very similar model. Obviously they haven't been as good as Nebraska has historically been, but they have been very good.
So? SEC still overrated?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 02, 2018, 07:19:42 AM
So? SEC still overrated?
No. Just top-heavy. The problem with the SEC has been that next level down hasn't been very good, aided by traditional powers like Florida, Tennessee, A&M and Arkansas pretty much sucking. Florida and A&M upgraded their coaches. Not sure if Tennessee or Arkansas did enough.
I'm wondering if the national championship game in Atlanta, between Georgia and Alabama, will set an all time record for ticket prices on the secondary market.
Quote from: jsglow on December 31, 2017, 04:57:14 PM
You guys can poo poo Miami all you want and I agree to a point. But yesterday was a true road game for Bucky and that can't be understated.
As I said, somewhere between 5-10.
I watched only some of the game, so forgive my question of ignorance. Though the game was played in Miami, was it a true road game? I recall Rose Bowl games even against the local teams like UCLA and Wisconsin in 1990's, where there were more Wisconsin fans by a large number than UCLA fans. Miami doesn't have the greatest sports reputation in terms of support and Wisconsin travels well.
The Big East has scored as many points in the CFP as the B1G over the last 3 seasons.
Quote from: WarriorDad on January 02, 2018, 03:18:54 PM
I watched only some of the game, so forgive my question of ignorance. Though the game was played in Miami, was it a true road game? I recall Rose Bowl games even against the local teams like UCLA and Wisconsin in 1990's, where there were more Wisconsin fans by a large number than UCLA fans. Miami doesn't have the greatest sports reputation in terms of support and Wisconsin travels well.
UW fans I know in attendance said the crowd was about 60 percent Miami fans and a bunch of neutrals. Not really enough to make it a true road game.