Which change do you see happening first, Froling for Heldt, Cain for Anim, Elliot for one of the midgets? IMO, it will by Harry for Matt. Also, I can see a combination in the not too distant future, against big teams, starting both Theo and Harry for Matt and Sacar.
Yeah, I see Harry for Matt. The other changes are unlikely.
If anything, Cain (more likely) or Elliott for Sacar.
But I think it stays the same. Maybe a game here or there depending on matchups or maybe someone not practicing well enough something changes, but nothing more than that.
I could see Froling for Heldt as well, but like Cain coming off the bench with some scoring ability. Anim, despite his diminished role last night with Cain on fire, is a good complement to the lineup with 3 excellent outside shooters. X played off Anim last night not worrying about his outside shot, made it tough for him to get to the bucket.
Regardless of who starts, I still think there is room for all these guys to contribute, albeit in limited minutes for some. Part of Xavier's strength is they are essentially two deep at every spot and have 8 or 9 guys who can be go to guys at any given time. They make it work somehow.
Starting no matta, hey? But I can eventually see Froling over Matt. Cain I think comes off the bench (scoring ). Elliott still needs some run from the bench plus he helps resting Rosey / Markus
I honestly don't see Froling for Heldt because Froling has less of a chance of winning the tip then Heldt. I can actually see John starting and playing the first 2-3 minutes as an effort to win the tip and get an extra possession, then bring in either Heldt or Froling depending whether you need O or D.
Can't see anyone starting over Sacar because neither Elliot nor Cain is a slasher at BEAST level (yet) but Sacar is willing and able to take the ball to the hoop and finish in traffic. His minutes will go down as Froling and Cain and Elliot take more, but he'll start.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 28, 2017, 09:48:28 AM
Starting no matta, hey? But I can eventually see Froling over Matt. Cain I think comes off the bench (scoring ). Elliott still needs some run from the bench plus he helps resting Rosey / Markus
This
The more relevant question is who is on the floor when tied with 2 minutes to go.
Cain is ready. Anim may start to key on the other team's best guard, but that could also be a role coming off the bench. Other than that man defense, Cain does everything better.
Sacar had a bad game last night, but he is still one of our best defenders and I don't expect him to take a back seat anytime soon. But I could see his MPG more in the 18-22 range in BE play.
Quote from: WarriorFan on December 28, 2017, 09:57:30 AM
Can't see anyone starting over Sacar because neither Elliot nor Cain is a slasher at BEAST level (yet) but Sacar is willing and able to take the ball to the hoop and finish in traffic. His minutes will go down as Froling and Cain and Elliot take more, but he'll start.
Except he rarely does. If he could just finish at the rim with any regularity it would help a lot.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 28, 2017, 11:07:25 AM
Sacar had a bad game last night, but he is still one of our best defenders and I don't expect him to take a back seat anytime soon. But I could see his MPG more in the 18-22 range in BE play.
Except he rarely does. If he could just finish at the rim with any regularity it would help a lot.
QFT. Another problem with Sacar is that when he gets to the line, he misses the freebies.
Wojo ran a little wit da Ivory Towers last nite. It don't matta anyways 'cuz ya got da Krispy Kreme glazed in da middle, ai na?
I don't really care who is starting but after last night I want to see more of Cain and less of Anim.
Quote from: Markusquette on December 28, 2017, 12:57:34 PM
I don't really care who is starting but after last night I want to see more of Cain and less of Anim.
Think it'll depend on whether Cain perform like last nite consistently.
Is Cain able?
Its about the minutes more than the start...and the important minutes.
Wojo earns his pay for these decisions.
But its a body of work more than just the X game. If we look at just X, than Howard is on the bubble too...good first half bad second half. As many have mentioned, a decent game from Howard and we win.
My opinion is on the block, John showed more promise offensively than Froling or Heldt. Heldt was lost and Froling hesitant even with space. Theo took it to the hoop (FTs are scary of course) (St. John the Theo-logian :) )
One more game. Georgetown...give people a chance...see what they do...Matbe then some big changes.
But Wojo, whatever you do, win the game!
Quote from: WarriorFan on December 28, 2017, 09:57:30 AM
I honestly don't see Froling for Heldt because Froling has less of a chance of winning the tip then Heldt. I can actually see John starting and playing the first 2-3 minutes as an effort to win the tip and get an extra possession, then bring in either Heldt or Froling depending whether you need O or D.
Can't see anyone starting over Sacar because neither Elliot nor Cain is a slasher at BEAST level (yet) but Sacar is willing and able to take the ball to the hoop and finish in traffic. His minutes will go down as Froling and Cain and Elliot take more, but he'll start.
Sorry, Cain adds much more to the game than Anim.
Froling is a pleasant surprise, last nite we played hard and if we continue to develop the frosh we
will win a lot of games.
Bump. After tonight's DePaul game, there will be a 9 day layoff. Will there be line up changes after the break? If so, who? We know that Wojo rewards effort in practice. I can't see starting Elliott for Anim, as that takes even more size off of the floor. I still think it will be Harry for Matt, after the 9 days off.
Why would Harry start in place of Matt? I don't see it.
Maybe not a starting lineup change...
But I think I'd like to see a little more small ball in the rotation. Put Cain or Hauser at the 5. With all the talk of the midgets forcing teams to take their big off the floor and play with our preference, we should give it a try with our small ball lineup.
No changes.
I think we'll see the same lineup tonight, but I do think we'll see changes next week. Howard, Rowsey, and Hauser seem locked in, but Elliott taking Anim's starting spot seems to be overdue. In addition to Greg playing really well of late, he also played much better against Xavier the first time around.
I'm not sure about Heldt. If nothing else, he is up there with Davante Gardner in terms of winning jump balls. This season, Heldt has won 7/20 (35%) jump balls (1/2 in OT). If you take out cupcakes, he's just 4/14 (28.6%). That said, he's our most efficient big (albeit with low usage) and doesn't turn the ball over. He's also our most reliable big man defender, as Froling still seems lost at times while Theo is our most foul-prone big man.
I could see having Theo start because I think he's most likely to win the tip (or honestly, Jamal Cain, but not sure I want him in that role) and rotate Matt in early.
Starting no matta. I don't see any changes in the starting 5. Minutes will continue to ebb and flow from game to as Wojo rides the hot hand.
Rowsey has already been pulled from the starting line-up and it wouldn't surprise me if we see him end the year as a super sub. I'd start Elliott to create that defensive tone from the tip.
I think Wojo sticks with Matt for tip off. Did not know how long he will be in but a Wojo will be loyal to Matt I think. Matt has had some good games. Elliott or Cain for Sacar is a good switch. I think Howard, Elliott, Hauser, Frohling and Theo is interesting, and we have seen it.
Regardless, if we cannot figure out the pick and roll and how to hedge and recover, then it does not matter. If teams do a lot of posters ng up, we are ok. Pick and rolls etc. trouble. And our BEast opponents are very in tune with this.
Interesting to ponder. What Wojo needs is for one of Theo, Matt, Froling to CLEARLY distinguish themselves. Heldt does some really good things on the floor that don't show up in the box score. Team is most successful when Matt is on his A-game. Froling really struggling yet does have some skills. Theo shows a lot of promise as well too. Tough call here but for now gotta go: Heldt, John, Froling.
Love Cain as a prospect, yet don't think he's more worthy of minutes than Sacar. Think Wojo is coaching that role well, going with who is performing better in each game. However, feel Wojo "missed" against Butler. Martin was killing us and Sacar is our best/most physical perimeter defender. Should have played him more once Martin clearly had it going and Butler was getting him iso'd onto 165lbs Greg Elliott.
Fun team regardless and tantalizing possibilities.
Quote from: The Lens on January 15, 2018, 09:50:20 AM
Rowsey has already been pulled from the starting line-up and it wouldn't surprise me if we see him end the year as a super sub. I'd start Elliott to create that defensive tone from the tip.
I'd say there's about as much chance of Rowsey becoming the 6th man as there is Cam becoming a starter. Rowsey has his issues, but we're better with him on the floor. There's no way this happens.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 15, 2018, 10:22:51 AM
I'd say there's about as much chance of Rowsey becoming the 6th man as there is Cam becoming a starter. Rowsey has his issues, but we're better with him on the floor. There's no way this happens.
Agreed. Minutes may move some but I really don't see starting lineup changes.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 15, 2018, 10:22:51 AM
I'd say there's about as much chance of Rowsey becoming the 6th man as there is Cam becoming a starter. Rowsey has his issues, but we're better with him on the floor. There's no way this happens.
But it already has happened this year.
Quote from: The Lens on January 15, 2018, 09:50:20 AM
Rowsey has already been pulled from the starting line-up and it wouldn't surprise me if we see him end the year as a super sub. I'd start Elliott to create that defensive tone from the tip.
I disagree. We need Rowsey for playmaking for others. Neither Elliot or Howard is good enough there yet, although Elliott looks like he can get there.
Quote from: #bansultan on January 15, 2018, 10:26:24 AM
But it already has happened this year.
And Andrew learned his lesson, he has to play like a point guard or he'll sit.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 15, 2018, 09:01:03 AM
Maybe not a starting lineup change...
But I think I'd like to see a little more small ball in the rotation. Put Cain or Hauser at the 5. With all the talk of the midgets forcing teams to take their big off the floor and play with our preference, we should give it a try with our small ball lineup.
Cain at center, yikes! His hops and shot blocking are impressive, but he's too thin to defend the rim consistently against the big boys. And setting up in the paint doesn't appear to be his offensive strength either.
Sam, on the other hand, has shown he can do it, although we might be exposing him to foul trouble if he gets extended time there.
Quote from: 4everCrean on January 15, 2018, 10:44:06 AM
Cain at center, yikes! His hops and shot blocking are impressive, but he's too thin to defend the rim consistently against the big boys. And setting up in the paint doesn't appear to be his offensive strength either.
Sam, on the other hand, has shown he can do it, although we might be exposing him to foul trouble if he gets extended time there.
No advocating, but if Wojo was a jump ball freak you could put Cain at SF to start over Anim, still start Heldt, and have Cain do the jump ball.
Quote from: 4everCrean on January 15, 2018, 10:44:06 AM
Cain at center, yikes! His hops and shot blocking are impressive, but he's too thin to defend the rim consistently against the big boys. And setting up in the paint doesn't appear to be his offensive strength either.
Sam, on the other hand, has shown he can do it, although we might be exposing him to foul trouble if he gets extended time there.
Correct. It's all about the matchups and offense vs defense. Can we go with Cain/Hauser at the 4/5 and force the other team to change their lineup? Can their 5 chase Hauser/Cain well enough if we go 5-out? Can Hauser/Cain defend adquately enough to make the other coach change his lineup?
I'd like to try it. Especially in situations where nothing else seems to be working well
Quote from: #bansultan on January 15, 2018, 10:26:24 AM
But it already has happened this year.
And we saw how Rowsey reacted to coming off the bench. I hate to say it, but I think when he didn't start and when he's in the doghouse, he has a little pout going on. It's on Wojo to control that and my guess is that he controls it by not sitting Andy at the start. Not saying he shouldn't, just saying that's how I think Wojo will make sure AR has his head in the game.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on January 15, 2018, 11:40:19 AM
And we saw how Rowsey reacted to coming off the bench. I hate to say it, but I think when he didn't start and when he's in the doghouse, he has a little pout going on. It's on Wojo to control that and my guess is that he controls it by not sitting Andy at the start. Not saying he shouldn't, just saying that's how I think Wojo will make sure AR has his head in the game.
Yep. And we get more good AR and less bad AR lately.
Quote from: #bansultan on January 15, 2018, 10:26:24 AM
But it already has happened this year.
Roswey didn't start for one game as a punishment for poor behavior/effort in practices that week. That's much different than saying he might end up coming off the bench by the end of the year because Wojo has decided we need more PT for Greg.
Quote from: Floorslapper on January 15, 2018, 10:15:43 AM
Interesting to ponder. What Wojo needs is for one of Theo, Matt, Froling to CLEARLY distinguish themselves. Heldt does some really good things on the floor that don't show up in the box score. Team is most successful when Matt is on his A-game. Froling really struggling yet does have some skills. Theo shows a lot of promise as well too. Tough call here but for now gotta go: Heldt, John, Froling.
Love Cain as a prospect, yet don't think he's more worthy of minutes than Sacar. Think Wojo is coaching that role well, going with who is performing better in each game. However, feel Wojo "missed" against Butler. Martin was killing us and Sacar is our best/most physical perimeter defender. Should have played him more once Martin clearly had it going and Butler was getting him iso'd onto 165lbs Greg Elliott.
Fun team regardless and tantalizing possibilities.
Extremely reasonable and logical post.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 15, 2018, 11:43:46 AM
Roswey didn't start for one game as a punishment for poor behavior/effort in practices that week. That's much different than saying he might end up coming off the bench by the end of the year because Wojo has decided we need more PT for Greg.
Elliott started two games for Rowsey.
And "playing time" and "who starts" are two different things.
I'm not advocating for any changes, but I don't think we can write anything off.
Quote from: Floorslapper on January 15, 2018, 10:15:43 AM
However, feel Wojo "missed" against Butler. Martin was killing us and Sacar is our best/most physical perimeter defender. Should have played him more once Martin clearly had it going and Butler was getting him iso'd onto 165lbs Greg Elliott.
Agreed. Thought this was a definite mistake. And a really nice job by Butler of finding it and exploiting it. If not Sacar, than Cain, as he at least has length.
At this point Froling has done nothing to prove he deserves to start. He is playing awful right now and needs to stop chucking 3's.
Quote from: Norm on January 15, 2018, 03:02:24 PM
At this point Froling has done nothing to prove he deserves to start. He is playing awful right now and needs to stop chucking 3's.
He's averaging 1.5 three point attempts per game. I'm not sure I'd call that "chucking 3's."
He's what 1-13 or something like that from 3? He should not take another one until he makes some 2's first.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 15, 2018, 03:04:38 PM
He's averaging 1.5 three point attempts per game. I'm not sure I'd call that "chucking 3's."
That would still be about 1.5 too many threes per game.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 15, 2018, 03:13:58 PM
That would still be about 1.5 too many threes per game.
Disagree wholeheartedly. By all accounts, he can make those shots. He's not going to gain the confidence needed by avoiding taking open shots. For better or worse, he needs reps if he's ever going to reach his potential and start playing how the staff believes he can.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 15, 2018, 03:50:35 PM
Disagree wholeheartedly. By all accounts, he can make those shots. He's not going to gain the confidence needed by avoiding taking open shots. For better or worse, he needs reps if he's ever going to reach his potential and start playing how the staff believes he can.
Don't waste your time.
Harry has the body and looks the part but regrettably until he starts delivering in a game I do not see him replacing Matt. Agree he has the potential but so far it has been a bit disappointing.
I would keep the same starters but have Howard at the point and Rowsey at the 2. This gets Howard involved sooner, driving, scoring, and dishing, also, Rowsey is better coming around screens and shooting.