Sam now shooting .556 from 2, .494 from 3 and .900 on FTs (as if that matters).
Also leads us in rebounding and steals. Second in assists.
He needs to stop improving so damn much or else he won't be here for 4 years!
Hats off to wades for predicting an NBA career for the young man. I believe he will be proven correct, and those who know me know that I don't give out "he'll be in the NBA" easily when Scoopers bring it up for various players.
I definitely think he will see some run in the NBA, but he needs to improve his athleticism a little bit more. Not to say he's unathletic, the NBA is just a different beast.
But there will always room for a 6'7" guy who can move really well and shoot the lights out.
I was talking to my brother about Sam during the game. Is there a case to be made that Sam is the best all around player on the team?
Quote from: cheese ball chaser on December 21, 2017, 10:27:38 PM
I was talking to my brother about Sam during the game. Is there a case to be made that Sam is the best all around player on the team?
I don't think there's much question about that. I mean, who else could it possibly be?
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 21, 2017, 10:16:36 PM
I definitely think he will see some run in the NBA, but he needs to improve his athleticism a little bit more. Not to say he's unathletic, the NBA is just a different beast.
But there will always room for a 6'7" guy who can move really well and shoot the lights out.
I think the efficiency with which he moves makes up for his (comparatively speaking, when talking NBA athletes) lack of athleticism.
Quote from: cheese ball chaser on December 21, 2017, 10:27:38 PM
I was talking to my brother about Sam during the game. Is there a case to be made that Sam is the best all around player on the team?
In my opinion, there is no doubt he is our best all around player.
Sam is unquestionably our best all around player.
Quote from: MU82 on December 21, 2017, 10:09:15 PM
Sam now shooting .556 from 2, .494 from 3 and .900 on FTs (as if that matters).
Also leads us in rebounding and steals. Second in assists.
He needs to stop improving so damn much or else he won't be here for 4 years!
Hats off to wades for predicting an NBA career for the young man. I believe he will be proven correct, and those who know me know that I don't give out "he'll be in the NBA" easily when Scoopers bring it up for various players.
Did Sam declare after the game last night? I must've missed that. Perhaps hold congratulations until he actually plays in the NBA?
Love Sam and love what he does for our team. I too think he will play in the NBA, but I will wait and see how his college career unfolds first.
Quote from: MU82 on December 21, 2017, 10:09:15 PM
Sam now shooting .556 from 2, .494 from 3 and .900 on FTs (as if that matters).
Also leads us in rebounding and steals. Second in assists.
He needs to stop improving so damn much or else he won't be here for 4 years!
Hats off to wades for predicting an NBA career for the young man. I believe he will be proven correct, and those who know me know that I don't give out "he'll be in the NBA" easily when Scoopers bring it up for various players.
Sam is a great player for MU. IMO, for him to take the next step its going to be about improving his defense and getting his shot against athletic defenders (ala Jimmy B his Jr/Sr year). NBA - we will see - both of those have a long way to go, but wouldn't bet against him continuing to improve.
I am enjoying watching Sam. Great shooter, great understanding of the game, great player for Marquette. Unless the kid is sensational, the question is always 'who can they guard at the NBA level?' As of right now, can you see Sam guarding an NBA 3? If the answer is yes, then he can play in the NBA. If you can't picture that, then you have to admit he has a ways to go.
Sam is an underrated defender. Not ready to guard an NBA 3 mind you. But I think he could get there
Every time I watch Sam play this season, I find myself thinking, "His little brother is better than this? Really?"
The future is bright, fellow Marquette fans.
His little brother is better, but I think junior Sam will be better then freshmen Joey. If Joey improves at the rate Sam did.... Scary good possibilities.
Sam defends 100x better than Henry Ellenson, even with Henry's height advantage. Sam also shoots the ball 100x better than Hank. Hank is a far better ball handler, but neither Hank nor Sam will ever be asked to be a ball handler in the NBA. Hank is being paid an NBA contract. Sam will too.
I could see sam being a Korver type player. I'd say McDermott but I think McDermott had a bit better ability down low. Though two more years sam could develop that.
Chris Crawford, people.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 22, 2017, 08:37:57 AM
Chris Crawford, people.
Minus the frequent foot shuffling/traveling.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 22, 2017, 09:40:47 AM
Minus the frequent foot shuffling/traveling.
Plus the 7 year NBA career. Sam's foot speed is much better than Chris (or Steve's for that matter). There will be a place for Sam in the NBA if he continues to shoot lights out.
Calling Sam 6'7 is a bit of an understatement I think. Harry is listed as 6'11 and there isn't much difference there. I think he's probably closer to 6'9.
Korver is a decent comp. I thought a slightly less bouncy Chandler Parsons too.
Quote from: WE R FINAL FOUR on December 22, 2017, 06:45:39 AM
Did Sam declare after the game last night? I must've missed that. Perhaps hold congratulations until he actually plays in the NBA?
Love Sam and love what he does for our team. I too think he will play in the NBA, but I will wait and see how his college career unfolds first.
Pouring some cold water on that sh
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Me? I'm still warm.
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If he continues at this rate of improvement, I think there is a legit chance we don't get Sam all 4 years. The kid is really, really, really good.
But with Joey coming in next year, I think its pretty much guaranteed we get him at least 1 more season. Next season should be special.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 22, 2017, 09:55:21 AM
If he continues at this rate of improvement, I think there is a legit chance we don't get Sam all 4 years. The kid is really, really, really good.
But with Joey coming in next year, I think its pretty much guaranteed we get him at least 1 more season. Next season should be special.
Some of that I'm sure will depend on Marcus and Joey. If the team next ear is truly one at the level of the 08-09 or 11-12 teams then I could see them sticking around giving another go.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 22, 2017, 09:56:45 AM
Some of that I'm sure will depend on Marcus and Joey. If the team next ear is truly one at the level of the 08-09 or 11-12 teams then I could see them sticking around giving another go.
We can sure hope so.
Sam's legit, butt da Association is a hoe different game. Gotta improve both his quickness and strength. Non-conference stats=no matta. Let's cee 'im strap it on and put his big boy pants on against betta comp, ai na?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 22, 2017, 10:02:52 AM
Sam's legit, butt da Association is a hoe different game. Gotta improve both his quickness and strength. Non-conference stats=no matta. Let's cee 'im strap it on and put his big boy pants on against betta comp, ai na?
Better than that kid who went from Milwaukee Hamilton out to Westwood on his way to Oakland, ai'na?
Sam is easily our most complete player, however, I don't see him as an NBA player yet. His feet are a little slow and lacks the athleticism of an NBA 3. I hope I'm wrong, of course.
Great thread so far, folks!
I mostly agree with wades' comparison of Sam to Henry. Obviously, I don't agree with "100x," but I realize that is just a "wades-ism." Even if somebody is only 1% better at something, wades likes to say 100x.
As to the point, though, I agree that Sam is a better shooter and a much better defender than Henry.
The comparison with Korver doesn't work all that well for me because I think Sam has potential to be a much better defender, but Sam doesn't get his shot up as quickly as Korver does. Korver really has the ability to catch and shoot before a defender can close on him, whereas Sam has to wind up a little bit. Quickening his release, even a little, will make Sam even more dangerous offensively. Sam does release it nice and high, though, and with his height that does help make it difficult to defend.
I have compared Sam to Calbert Cheaney, and I'm sticking with that. Super steady, ability to do everything decently to very well, not spectacular at anything - although Sam could end up being that in the shooting department, which would make him very attractive to NBA teams.
I mean, Novak stuck around forever, and Sam is 100x more athletic than he ever was!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 22, 2017, 10:02:52 AM
Sam's legit, butt da Association is a hoe different game. Gotta improve both his quickness and strength. Non-conference stats=no matta. Let's cee 'im strap it on and put his big boy pants on against betta comp, ai na?
Dis rite heere.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 22, 2017, 10:02:52 AM
Sam's legit, butt da Association is a hoe different game. Gotta improve both his quickness and strength. Non-conference stats=no matta. Let's cee 'im strap it on and put his big boy pants on against betta comp, ai na?
Dem rodents dunnot ware big boy pants ;)
Not for another 2 years....I hope.
Isn't a guy like Sam Dekker a better comp for Hauser than someone like Henry? Henry's build is broader, and his foot speed will always be lacking - he's more of a lumbering type that would mold after a poor man's Dirk. But Hauser and Dekker are each listed as about 6'7" and 220. If Sam is looking at the NBA, I think he's got to read what GMs were saying on Dekker coming out - they really liked his athleticism and explosiveness if memory serves. So I think Sam has got to keep getting stronger and work on his first dribble/blow by. Certainly possible, but he's got a ways to go.
From an MU perspective, I think developing that part of his game would also help the team a ton. Sam is great, but he has a tendency to pick up fouls and to disappear at times. Continuing to improve foot speed and strength would help him move his feet on D to avoid fouls, and would give him another offensive weapon to make him a little less reliant on the outside shot (though that midrange game has come along nicely).
Quote from: MUBurrow on December 22, 2017, 10:52:52 AM
Isn't a guy like Sam Dekker a better comp for Hauser than someone like Henry? Henry's build is broader, and his foot speed will always be lacking - he's more of a lumbering type that would mold after a poor man's Dirk. But Hauser and Dekker are each listed as about 6'7" and 220. If Sam is looking at the NBA, I think he's got to read what GMs were saying on Dekker coming out - they really liked his athleticism and explosiveness if memory serves. So I think Sam has got to keep getting stronger and work on his first dribble/blow by. Certainly possible, but he's got a ways to go.
From an MU perspective, I think developing that part of his game would also help the team a ton. Sam is great, but he has a tendency to pick up fouls and to disappear at times. Continuing to improve foot speed and strength would help him move his feet on D to avoid fouls, and would give him another offensive weapon to make him a little less reliant on the outside shot (though that midrange game has come along nicely).
Dekker is more athletic than Sam but nowhere near the shooter. I think Calbert Cheney is the best example I have seen so far.
Quote from: MUBurrow on December 22, 2017, 10:52:52 AM
Isn't a guy like Sam Dekker a better comp for Hauser than someone like Henry? Henry's build is broader, and his foot speed will always be lacking - he's more of a lumbering type that would mold after a poor man's Dirk. But Hauser and Dekker are each listed as about 6'7" and 220. If Sam is looking at the NBA, I think he's got to read what GMs were saying on Dekker coming out - they really liked his athleticism and explosiveness if memory serves. So I think Sam has got to keep getting stronger and work on his first dribble/blow by. Certainly possible, but he's got a ways to go.
From an MU perspective, I think developing that part of his game would also help the team a ton. Sam is great, but he has a tendency to pick up fouls and to disappear at times. Continuing to improve foot speed and strength would help him move his feet on D to avoid fouls, and would give him another offensive weapon to make him a little less reliant on the outside shot (though that midrange game has come along nicely).
I wasn't trying to compare Henry and Sam, I was simply saying that people who want to disqualify Sam because he "can't defend anybody" in the NBA need only look at our most recent NBAer to see Sam's defense is already much, much better than at least one NBA player.
Dekker will never be able to dream of being the shooter that Hauser is, but Dekker is a lot more athletic than Hauser.
I think Sam has gotten much better at playing without fouling. Off the top of my head, the only game I remember him being in foul trouble this year was Wichita State.
Quote from: MUBurrow on December 22, 2017, 10:52:52 AM
Isn't a guy like Sam Dekker a better comp for Hauser than someone like Henry? Henry's build is broader, and his foot speed will always be lacking - he's more of a lumbering type that would mold after a poor man's Dirk. But Hauser and Dekker are each listed as about 6'7" and 220. If Sam is looking at the NBA, I think he's got to read what GMs were saying on Dekker coming out - they really liked his athleticism and explosiveness if memory serves. So I think Sam has got to keep getting stronger and work on his first dribble/blow by. Certainly possible, but he's got a ways to go.
From an MU perspective, I think developing that part of his game would also help the team a ton. Sam is great, but he has a tendency to pick up fouls and to disappear at times. Continuing to improve foot speed and strength would help him move his feet on D to avoid fouls, and would give him another offensive weapon to make him a little less reliant on the outside shot (though that midrange game has come along nicely).
I like this comment a lot, Burrow.
I don't want what I've been saying misconstrued. I am not saying Sam could leave today and play in the NBA (though I'm not saying he couldn't). Sam is still a work in progress - as almost all kids his age are, even those who made the jump to the NBA. For every LeBron, there are plenty of Noah Vonlehs - and, yes, Henry Ellensons (and so far Sam Dekkers).
Agree totally that Sam needs to get stronger and, if possible, more athletic. But don't discount how much the NBA values shooters. Sam is a much better shooter than Dekker.
And yes, he does tend to disappear at times - sometimes because our little guys are playing keep-away but sometimes because he's not being aggressive enough. And he still does pick up fouls that are far too stupid for somebody of his basketball IQ.
You're also so right about his midrange game. He's actually pretty darn good at posting up and either taking the 10-footer from the angle or going into the lane for a short jumper. Good from the FTL area, too. He doesn't look to do that enough. There were two situations in yesterday's game that stick in my mind: once, he got a rebound in the lane but rather than even think about turning and taking the 7-footer, he passed out to a 3-point shooter, who missed; the other time, he had his man about 12 feet from the hoop but instead of rising over him, he passed out, repositioned at the arc, got a return pass and hit the 3. The first time, he was being "too unselfish" and it might of cost us 2 points; the second I guess he just wasn't "feelin' it," and it ended up getting us 3.
I also agree with 4ever (I think) about the BE season really being the test of how much Sam has improved and how far he has to go. Eye tink dat's wot 4ever wuz sayink.
Finally, I'll agree with those who have said stuff like, "Wow, is Joey really better than Sam?" Because that would be amazing. I have not seen one second of Joey playing basketball.
I'll stick by what I said about Sam in my OP:
He needs to stop improving so damn much or else he won't be here for 4 years!
I think Sam is closer to 6-11 than 6-7.
The biggest reason why Sam seems to "disappear" in games is because he really can't create his own shot all that well. He relies on people getting him in the ball in situations to score. Now he's really smart about knowing where to be, but he isn't putting it on the floor and getting to the basket on his own.
Dekker OTOH could do that.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 22, 2017, 11:06:22 AM
The biggest reason why Sam seems to "disappear" in games is because he really can't create his own shot all that well. He relies on people getting him in the ball in situations to score. Now he's really smart about knowing where to be, but he isn't putting it on the floor and getting to the basket on his own.
Dekker OTOH could do that.
Something else for Sam to improve at.
Totally agree with everyone pointing out that Hauser's shooting ability vs Dekker's athletic, off the dribble ability probably reduce the value of the comp. Probably a little lazy on my part in the mold that pftcommenter usually makes fun of, to be honest :/ For what little its worth, I just pulled the height/weights off the first google search results that came up and they had Hauser at 6'8" and Dekker at 6'7".
I'd definitely rather start from having Hauser's range and having to develop the explosiveness for today's NBA, so that's a major plus for (our) Sam.
Being from Omaha and growing up a Jays fan, I've always likened Sam to Doug McDermott. Granted, Doug started with a phenomenal inside game and worked his way out to be a lethal 3-point shooter, and Sam started with incredible 3-point shooting and is working his way down with post-ups and a midrange game.
The main similarity between the two is that they always make (made* in Doug's case) the right play. Always. As has been stated here, Sam can almost be too unselfish at times, but he always makes the correct extra pass, always swings it when the defense dictates such, never takes a bad shot, and is seemingly always in the right spot at the right time. The craziest thing about watching Doug was thinking he'd had an OK game, then looking up and seeing he had 27 and 8: Sam is the exact same. They're two of the most "quiet" scorers I've ever watched at this level. 3's, midrange post-ups/lay-ups, free throws. And hardly ever putting the ball on the ground. Not NEARLY as exciting as Markus and Rowsey, but even more effective IMO.
Plus, I get the same feeling with Sam that I did with Doug in that "we're never out of a game with him on the floor / this guy won't let us lose". That Eastern Illinois game, and to a lesser extent NIU, had awful upset written all over it, but Sam single-handedly willed us to OT. Buzz's teams when I was at MU would have surely lost that kind of game (UW-GB), but with Sam (and certainly Markus too) you know you're not gonna suffer those bad losses. Which is such a luxury to have given our bubble status since he's been here. I loved Sam's game last year, but it wasn't until that scrimmage against Milwaukee at the Al that I really thought he had a legit shot at the NBA: he was even taller than I remembered, put on a good amount of muscle, and dictated the entire game. My confidence in that has only grown as the season has gone on. I could absolutely see him ending up in a system like San Antonio where people groan "how'd everyone else pass on this guy?"
Quote from: wadesworld on December 22, 2017, 10:07:54 AM
Better than that kid who went from Milwaukee Hamilton out to Westwood on his way to Oakland, ai'na?
As far as I no, Sam hasn't had hip surgery and subsequently miss nearly an entire professional season because of it, hey?
Sam's game isn't much different from Novak's as far as I can tell. Both guys are/were great at taking advantage of the opportunities given to them but not so great at creating their own shot. Novak was also viewed as not being as athletic as most of the guys in the NBA, but was still able to play good enough defense, mostly from being a smart player, to not really get burned much. I think this is very much like Sam today as well. If anything, Sam is a little quicker and is more versatile on defense. Plus, I think Sam has a better inside game than Novak did in college.
If he keeps improving the way he has in the last 2 years, he'll have a shot at getting drafted or making a team somewhere. He's a guy that could do well in the right system as a role player, but he could also struggle in the wrong system. Sam could easily be a Jeremy Lin type guy where he blows up for a year or two with the right opportunity. All that said, I'd be willing to bet a significant sum that he's a 4 year guy no matter what. He needs to improve his quickness and defense, and he needs to show that he's not just a perimeter catch and shoot player. The NBA loves potential, and if Sam is too one-dimensional, he may have trouble convincing teams to take a shot on him. Plus, he'll have Joey here with him beginning next year, and I can easily see that being another reason for him sticking around all 4 years even if he gets some interest from the pros.
Quote from: onepostwarrior on December 22, 2017, 12:15:37 PM
Being from Omaha and growing up a Jays fan, I've always likened Sam to Doug McDermott. Granted, Doug started with a phenomenal inside game and worked his way out to be a lethal 3-point shooter, and Sam started with incredible 3-point shooting and is working his way down with post-ups and a midrange game.
The main similarity between the two is that they always make (made* in Doug's case) the right play. Always. As has been stated here, Sam can almost be too unselfish at times, but he always makes the correct extra pass, always swings it when the defense dictates such, never takes a bad shot, and is seemingly always in the right spot at the right time. The craziest thing about watching Doug was thinking he'd had an OK game, then looking up and seeing he had 27 and 8: Sam is the exact same. They're two of the most "quiet" scorers I've ever watched at this level. 3's, midrange post-ups/lay-ups, free throws. And hardly ever putting the ball on the ground. Not NEARLY as exciting as Markus and Rowsey, but even more effective IMO.
Plus, I get the same feeling with Sam that I did with Doug in that "we're never out of a game with him on the floor / this guy won't let us lose". That Eastern Illinois game, and to a lesser extent NIU, had awful upset written all over it, but Sam single-handedly willed us to OT. Buzz's teams when I was at MU would have surely lost that kind of game (UW-GB), but with Sam (and certainly Markus too) you know you're not gonna suffer those bad losses. Which is such a luxury to have given our bubble status since he's been here. I loved Sam's game last year, but it wasn't until that scrimmage against Milwaukee at the Al that I really thought he had a legit shot at the NBA: he was even taller than I remembered, put on a good amount of muscle, and dictated the entire game. My confidence in that has only grown as the season has gone on. I could absolutely see him ending up in a system like San Antonio where people groan "how'd everyone else pass on this guy?"
I have thought Doug as well, but more for their efficiency moving around the court. No wasted movement at all. They know how to set themselves up for an open shot by being a screener for someone else, etc. Very good at understanding how they are being defended and knowing how to counter it when they are off the ball. Pick and slip vs. pick and pop, etc.
Most encouraging thing about Sam's game is that he added the pump fake and ability to dip inside for contested midrange jumpers that he's hitting regularly. If he adds one element to his game each year he's here, his ceiling is better than Novak. He shows hints of having a back-to-the-basket game.
Quote from: Nukem2 on December 22, 2017, 10:33:39 AM
Dem rodents dunnot ware big boy pants ;)
Dey be wearin' dere manzieres?
Sam is our best all around player no question.
Though for the NBA a tweener.... too small to guard the "4", and too slow to guard the "3". He may get a cup of coffee in the NBA but I would shocked if anything more.
See a prosperous career in the Europe if he wants it.
Compare Sam's game today to Butler's when he was a sophomore. Sam's a great kid and the sky is the limit. We're fortunate to have him!
Quote from: mufvr on December 22, 2017, 02:08:23 PM
Compare Sam's game today to Butler's when he was a sophomore. Sam's a great kid and the sky is the limit. We're fortunate to have him!
Defense is night and day on your comparison.
Don't see it at all.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 22, 2017, 02:22:33 PM
Defense is night and day on your comparison.
Don't see it at all.
Was butler a good defender his first two years? I remember an interview where he said he blames himself for letting pondexter beat us and had worked on his defense all summer going into his senior year
I feel like Sam could be one of those players the Spurs draft late in the second round, everybody laughs it off, but becomes a serviceable role player that shouldn't be as good as he is.
One thing is for certain though, both Markus and Sam could put quite a dent in the Marquette record books over the next few years.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on December 22, 2017, 01:56:34 PM
Sam is our best all around player no question.
Though for the NBA a tweener.... too small to guard the "4", and too slow to guard the "3". He may get a couple of coffee in the NBA but I would shocked if anything more.
See a prosperous career in the Europe if he wants it.
FIFY, because Sam does not play "hero" ball. He is the consummate team player.
Sam-McDermott comparisons:
Not bad. I see it. Still, by the time he was a soph, McDermott was unquestionably The Man at Creighton and won his first of 3 straight MVC POY awards (national POY as senior). Sam might never be The Man at Marquette. But sure, their games are similar. I'd take it!
Sam-JFB comparison:
C'mon. Yes, Pondexter beat him on that one play, but Jimmy was a damn good defender as a junior and an elite defender as a senior. Even a pretty darn good defender as a soph, when he'd sub in for Burke as an undersized center.
<<That Eastern Illinois game, and to a lesser extent NIU, had awful upset written all over it, but Sam single-handedly willed us to OT. Buzz's teams when I was at MU would have surely lost that kind of game (UW-GB), but with Sam (and certainly Markus too) you know you're not gonna suffer those bad losses.>>
Well, I remember Jimmy hitting several buzzer-beaters for Buzzard, so I'm not sure what you're thinking here. Vander did, too. Throw in Jae, DJO, Wes - hell, even Junior! - and Buzz had some pretty good clutch players.
We can only dream that Sam will be as good as Jimmy.
I made the Sam/McDermott comparisons before Sam started his freshman year. Put Sam on a team that needed the kind of usage McDermott had at Creighton and I think Hauser would already be in the All-American discussions.
Sam currently has a higher Offensive Rating, eFG%, 3PFG%, FT%, Assist Rate, Block Percentage, Steal Percentage, and lower turnover rate than McDermott had as a sophomore when he was named First Team All-American. McDermott was a better rebounder and had a better 2PFG% with a rough usage increase of 50%. Marquette also played a tougher non-con schedule than McDermott did that year.
So is it unthinkable that Sam could increase his scoring from 15.2 to 22.9 ppg on a team where he was the unquestioned go-to guy? He would likely be better at every statistical category except maybe rebounds, though I'm not sure he wouldn't increase his rebounding significantly if he were on a team where he was the backup center and spent the entire season at the 4/5 in a mid-major league.
No matter what Sam does...he will never be a Jimmy Butler...physically impossible.
I believe Sam will make the NBA. He is not our main offensive weapon and he ends up being a top scorer, he is guarding 4's, 5's, getting rebounds, what is not to like from an NBA perspective. Novak? He is light years better, Novak never was down low getting rebounds, Sam check, Novak mixing it up with a 5 ? Nope, Sam check. Yes Sam has does get in foul trouble sometimes but he is asked to do a lot on D when defending below the rim. I do think he stays with his brother they could have a chance at a final 4 by Sam's senior year.
Quote from: MUBurrow on December 22, 2017, 11:44:05 AM
Totally agree with everyone pointing out that Hauser's shooting ability vs Dekker's athletic, off the dribble ability probably reduce the value of the comp. Probably a little lazy on my part in the mold that pftcommenter usually makes fun of, to be honest :/ For what little its worth, I just pulled the height/weights off the first google search results that came up and they had Hauser at 6'8" and Dekker at 6'7".
I'd definitely rather start from having Hauser's range and having to develop the explosiveness for today's NBA, so that's a major plus for (our) Sam.
Dekker is 6' 7 3/4" - 6'9" in shoes.
We'll see where Hauser is in a couple years - my guess is probably 6'7 1/2" in shoes.
There is no way that Hauser is taller than Dekker, but we won't have the real numbers on SH until the pre-draft camp in a couple years.
Wisconsin Sams: Okey, Decker, Hauser. Okey was probably the highest rated out of HS, Hauser the lowest but may have the longest and best career. So much for ratings. Every time I watch Hauser kill it I get a warm fuzzy feeling knowing that Badger fans are burping bile. Bo put Sam on hold, letting Wojo get him. Then we get Joey, then perhaps Herro de-committing from UW. We are trending up, UW down, and so much of that perhaps to one player. Merry Christmas!
Quote from: jaybird on December 22, 2017, 11:11:39 PM
Wisconsin Sams: Okey, Decker, Hauser. Okey was probably the highest rated out of HS, Hauser the lowest but may have the longest and best career. So much for ratings. Every time I watch Hauser kill it I get a warm fuzzy feeling knowing that Badger fans are burping bile. Bo put Sam on hold, letting Wojo get him. Then we get Joey, then perhaps Herro de-committing from UW. We are trending up, UW down, and so much of that perhaps to one player. Merry Christmas!
And the treatment of Herro after decommitting could wind up affecting the recruitments of in state kids like Jalen Johnson and Nobal Days for Becky, too. The gift that keeps on giving.
Is it common knowledge that if F%cky wanted Sam, he would have gone there?
Don't know the deal other than Badger boards that Bo was warm on Sam, had one schollie to fill and needed a PG (Trice??), asked Sam to wait and Wojo swooped in. All I know is that Sam, Joey, and Tyler would look really good in Cardinal and White and they all look great in blue.
First player I thought of when comparing Sam Hauser to another player was Gordon Hayward at Butler. Hayward is around the same size as Hauser at 6'8 and 225 but like Sam he was a skinny kid who bulked up and took off. He and Sam have very similar sophomore year stats and like Hayward he can absolutely take over a game. Hayward was/is more athletic than Sam but Sam is a better shooter from outside and free throws. I think Hayward and Sam are more similar than Dekker and Sam.
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Brian Cardinal
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 22, 2017, 09:27:34 PM
I believe Sam will make the NBA. He is not our main offensive weapon and he ends up being a top scorer, he is guarding 4's, 5's, getting rebounds, what is not to like from an NBA perspective. Novak? He is light years better, Novak never was down low getting rebounds, Sam check, Novak mixing it up with a 5 ? Nope, Sam check. Yes Sam has does get in foul trouble sometimes but he is asked to do a lot on D when defending below the rim. I do think he stays with his brother they could have a chance at a final 4 by Sam's senior year.
I like the optimism, but this just isn't a realistic view of what's actually happening on the floor. Sam is a stud, but he's certainly not "light years" ahead of Novak, who was a solid role player on the final four team. Sam is a good player on a mediocre team and will need to continue his hot streak in conference play to keep this conversation going.
Your final four comment is a nice idea, but come on, we're hoping and praying for a tourney birth this year. Maybe next year we can hope to crack the top 25 a few times. In 2 years, we should be competitive, but the Dukes, UNCs, and Kentucks of the world are still going to be well ahead of us talent wise. Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here.
Sam is a nice college player and has upside to be a very nice college player. At this point, there is a lot of work to do before he is ready for next level. I think a tad early to talking about him playing in the NBA. I just hope he turns into a very, very nice college player.
Quote from: MU82 on December 22, 2017, 11:45:39 PM
Is it common knowledge that if F%cky wanted Sam, he would have gone there?
Rumors are that the Hausers were big UW fans. That doesn't mean that Sam wouldn't have chosen Marquette anyway, but telling him to wait certainly made it easier.
Quote from: jaybird on December 22, 2017, 11:57:14 PM
All I know is that Sam, Joey, and Tyler would look really good in Cardinal and White and they all look great in blue.
They would have looked absolutely terrible in red and white and I'm thrilled I never have to see it!
Thanks everybody for the info on Sam and F%cky. I didn't know the background.
So ... what's more likely:
S2N or M2N?
Quote from: skianth16 on December 23, 2017, 02:30:07 AM
I like the optimism, but this just isn't a realistic view of what's actually happening on the floor. Sam is a stud, but he's certainly not "light years" ahead of Novak, who was a solid role player on the final four team. Sam is a good player on a mediocre team and will need to continue his hot streak in conference play to keep this conversation going.
Your final four comment is a nice idea, but come on, we're hoping and praying for a tourney birth this year. Maybe next year we can hope to crack the top 25 a few times. In 2 years, we should be competitive, but the Dukes, UNCs, and Kentucks of the world are still going to be well ahead of us talent wise. Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here.
In 2 years that team absolutely better have final 4 potential.
Markus and Sam as Seniors?
Morrow and Froling as well.
Joey as a Soph
Theo, Greg and Jamal as Juniors.
Bailey as a 22 year old Soph?
We lose Rowsey this year and Heldt next year.
Assuming the core stays, this team better be have potential to get hot for 4 games in March.
Heck, I think next year they should have the potential.
Quote from: skianth16 on December 23, 2017, 02:30:07 AM
I like the optimism, but this just isn't a realistic view of what's actually happening on the floor. Sam is a stud, but he's certainly not "light years" ahead of Novak, who was a solid role player on the final four team. Sam is a good player on a mediocre team and will need to continue his hot streak in conference play to keep this conversation going.
Your final four comment is a nice idea, but come on, we're hoping and praying for a tourney birth this year. Maybe next year we can hope to crack the top 25 a few times. In 2 years, we should be competitive, but the Dukes, UNCs, and Kentucks of the world are still going to be well ahead of us talent wise. Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here.
On Novak he was a one dimensional player, excellent as a 3 pt shooter but not much more. Sam is a much more complete player and I can see him making more progress. Final 4 is potential with al the quality players we'll have if our core stays. It is the team Wojo has been building piece by piece. I think we will be top 15 fringe top 10 within 2 years
Novak rebounded a lot his Sr. Year when Crean asked him to.
Who, hey?
McDermott was a high usage guy from day one.
Sam hasn't been yet. Where does his usage go? 13.6% last year.. 19.5% this year.. nice jump, not unexpected.. but I'm not sure I see him getting past 24% at MU...
FWIW... Games this season with over 25% usage for Sam: Zero.
M2N has been over 25% in each of the last 5 games.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 23, 2017, 02:34:14 PM
In 2 years that team absolutely better have final 4 potential.
Or else what?
What will you do if they don't have "final 4 potential," whatever that means?
Quote from: MU82 on December 23, 2017, 06:56:39 PM
Or else what?
What will you do if they don't have "final 4 potential," whatever that means?
Did I say would do anything??
Fucking idiot
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 23, 2017, 11:30:17 PM
Did I say would do anything??
unnatural carnal knowledgeing idiot
Name-calling. Lovely.
You said the team "better have final 4 potential." It sounded like an ultimatum to me. I guess I read it wrong.
Happy New Year.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 23, 2017, 11:30:17 PM
Did I say would do anything??
unnatural carnal knowledgeing idiot
Agreed.
When that phrase is used , I remember Kramer's explanation of the House Whip to Jerry