Apparently not enough Scoopers donated 2 comma checks as the APRC has been scaled back and will now be placed across the street from the Al. Can we call it the Al Part Deux?
QuoteThe previous location for the APRC is a 10-acre site that is bordered by 6th Street, 10th Street, West Michigan Street and the Interchange. "We know that this is a highly visible and valuable location that further connects Marquette to downtown Milwaukee, and we will continue to evaluate the best use of the land," said Lora Strigens, vice president for planning and strategy.
https://today.marquette.edu/2017/12/marquettes-board-of-trustees-approves-groundbreaking-for-athletic-performance-research-center/ (https://today.marquette.edu/2017/12/marquettes-board-of-trustees-approves-groundbreaking-for-athletic-performance-research-center/)
Discuss amongst yourselves.
http://www.gomarquette.com/genrel/121117aab.html
Assume fundraising was an issue, thus downsizing. Anyone with more details? Doesn't seem like there will be any field/court space according to the article.
http://www.gomarquette.com/genrel/121117aab.html
I recall the initial plan had the Bucks involved. The proposed parcel of land seems rather small, and this was done after all of the other land was purchased/demolished. I don't see this as a positive development.
Location is way better, assuming it was only located east of 94 due to the Bucks involvement.
If the dome can handle their needs, sounds like a no brainer?
So do they have anything planned for the land this was going to be on?
This is obviously a back up plan. It sounds like it will suffice though.
Well, the field house would have been nice but if the seasonal some is meeting their needs and the student-athletes in the sports that use it are happy then I guess I don't see a problem. That location is probably more convenient for everyone involved but now I wonder what the plan is for the large space they already purchased. New football stadium?
It's a bit of a bummer but sounds like the best case scenario after the Bucks pulled the rug out from under them for a collaboration w/ Froedtert.
Not that I'm aware of.
Quote from: GB Warrior on December 11, 2017, 11:51:03 AM
It's a bit of a bummer but sounds like the best case scenario after the Bucks pulled the rug out from under them for a collaboration w/ Froedtert.
Was the reverse on the gun jumping...
Plenty of room for MU's Joyce Center on Michigan now.
I think the Dome works well and this new facility will be suitable for the uses that are intended. The original land can be used for some other academic or housing purpose. It is big enough for an on campus arena in the event a major benefactor shows up .
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 15, 2017, 11:40:03 PM
I think the Dome works well and this new facility will be suitable for the uses that are intended. The original land can be used for some other academic or housing purpose. It is big enough for an on campus arena in the event a major benefactor shows up .
Perhaps the most precious commodity on an urban campus is land. MU has a signature large parcel space with tremendous visibility on the city's signature interchange. All good. No rush.
As a track alum, this is very disappointing news. It is completely absurd to have a division I track team that doesn't have an indoor track, especially in this climate. Men's and women's track and cross country have been one of the most competitive teams over the years with dozens of conference championships, including Big East championships. Imagine any other sport not actually having a facility to practice on and telling them to make do with what they have. I was told way back in the early 80's that there would be an indoor track soon and I believed what I was told (yes I know I am gullible). This new facility was finally going to have an actual indoor track and field facility and now that plan is gone. Not only does this affect practice, but it eliminates any chance of actually have home contests. A couple of outdoor meets are hosted each year, but in our climate other teams do not want to come to Milwaukee to compete, since track and field is largely a sport where everyone is chasing marks to qualify for the regional and national championships. Some day I will win a huge lottery and donate the money necessary for an indoor track, but unfortunately that plan seems to be taking longer than I had anticipated.
Quote from: MU1980 on December 17, 2017, 10:22:27 AM
As a track alum, this is very disappointing news. It is completely absurd to have a division I track team that doesn't have an indoor track, especially in this climate. Men's and women's track and cross country have been one of the most competitive teams over the years with dozens of conference championships, including Big East championships. Imagine any other sport not actually having a facility to practice on and telling them to make do with what they have. I was told way back in the early 80's that there would be an indoor track soon and I believed what I was told (yes I know I am gullible). This new facility was finally going to have an actual indoor track and field facility and now that plan is gone. Not only does this affect practice, but it eliminates any chance of actually have home contests. A couple of outdoor meets are hosted each year, but in our climate other teams do not want to come to Milwaukee to compete, since track and field is largely a sport where everyone is chasing marks to qualify for the regional and national championships. Some day I will win a huge lottery and donate the money necessary for an indoor track, but unfortunately that plan seems to be taking longer than I had anticipated.
Is there not a track under the seasonal dome?
From my seat, the solution MU came up with to enhance winter practice for Spring sports seems to be the right answer. When outside sponsorship fell by the wayside, a facility as originally envisioned simply wasn't economically feasible.
Quote from: jsglow on December 17, 2017, 10:37:52 AM
Is there not a track under the seasonal dome?
From my seat, the solution MU came up with to enhance winter practice for Spring sports seems to be the right answer. When outside sponsorship fell by the wayside, a facility as originally envisioned simply wasn't economically feasible.
I do not think there's a track under the bubble
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 15, 2017, 11:40:03 PM
It is big enough for an on campus arena in the event a major benefactor shows up .
That would be idiotic. It's almost as far away from the center from campus as the BC. Also for all the other reasons it makes absolutely no sense to have an on-campus arena.
Would this "major benefactor" also be willing to underwrite all of the operating losses and maintenance costs for his arena into perpetuity?
Quote from: PTM on December 17, 2017, 10:50:28 AM
I do not think there's a track under the bubble
I think you're right. I know the track is on the 'east' facility and think the dome only covers the soccer/lacrosse end.
What about golf? Will the MU Scoop Dome be used as a practice range?
The original release said all sports would use...
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-lacros/spec-rel/013117aaa.html
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 17, 2017, 11:34:25 AM
What about golf? Will the MU Scoop Dome be used as a practice range?
Yep, they have nets on one side. I'd imagine they have a Trackman or two for practice as well.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 17, 2017, 11:11:23 AM
That would be idiotic. It's almost as far away from the center from campus as the BC. Also for all the other reasons it makes absolutely no sense to have an on-campus arena.
Would this "major benefactor" also be willing to underwrite all of the operating losses and maintenance costs for his arena into perpetuity?
Obviously, you're not as well connected as you would like all of us to believe. Why do you think MU only signed a 7 year lease at the Bucks new facility? Also, no coincidence that the Athletic Performance Center location has been moved. Wheels are a churnin', ai na?
Quote from: jsglow on December 17, 2017, 10:37:52 AM
Is there not a track under the seasonal dome?
From my seat, the solution MU came up with to enhance winter practice for Spring sports seems to be the right answer. When outside sponsorship fell by the wayside, a facility as originally envisioned simply wasn't economically feasible.
No there is not a track under the bubble and remember that it is track and field, not just track, so all of the field events need a place to practice their events. Runners can run in the bubble or at the Pettit center, but that is still not ideal and doesn't help all the events. Imagine the tennis team not having tennis courts or the basketball team not having a basketball court to practice on. Imagine not being able to have a place to have home competitions. Men's and women's Indoor and outdoor Track and field and cross country account for 6 of the counting sports at MU and they deserve to have what just about every division I school In the upper half of the country has, an indoor track. It is beyond Absurd.
Well obviously track and field isn't as high a priority given the resources involved. It's not as though it's a revenue generator.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 17, 2017, 12:33:32 PM
Well obviously track and field isn't as high a priority given the resources involved. It's not as though it's a revenue generator.
The dome was for Amplo.
Quote from: PTM on December 17, 2017, 12:46:29 PM
The dome was for Amplo.
Right. And so was pushing up this timeline. Lax is a priority.
Quote from: MU1980 on December 17, 2017, 12:30:50 PM
No there is not a track under the bubble and remember that it is track and field, not just track, so all of the field events need a place to practice their events. Runners can run in the bubble or at the Pettit center, but that is still not ideal and doesn't help all the events. Imagine the tennis team not having tennis courts or the basketball team not having a basketball court to practice on. Imagine not being able to have a place to have home competitions. Men's and women's Indoor and outdoor Track and field and cross country account for 6 of the counting sports at MU and they deserve to have what just about every division I school In the upper half of the country has, an indoor track. It is beyond Absurd.
Not to be flippant, but recently Marquette's track and field teams have done very well; on a comparative basis, they have done much better than almost every other varsity sport. The women's teams have won the last four Big East championships - two in Indoor and two in Outdoor, and the men have were runners-up for Indoor and Outdoor in 2017.
Obviously, indoor facilities would be ideal, but at this point it does not appear to have affected recruiting or competitiveness. Like almost all other discretionary spending by a university, it will probably take a benefactor (or group of benefactors) with both the passion and the funding to make this happen.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 17, 2017, 12:33:32 PM
Well obviously track and field isn't as high a priority given the resources involved. It's not as though it's a revenue generator.
There is one sport that is a revenue generator at Marquette and that is men's basketball, so I fail to see your point. Without track and cross county and the six counting sports Marquette could not be a division one program. Having an actual facility is a basic right for any team.
Quote from: MU1980 on December 17, 2017, 03:02:39 PM
There is one sport that is a revenue generator at Marquette and that is men's basketball, so I fail to see your point. Without track and cross county and the six counting sports Marquette could not be a division one program. Having an actual facility is a basic right for any team.
It isn't a "right" to have an indoor track. The facilities are fine.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 17, 2017, 01:57:02 PM
Not to be flippant, but recently Marquette's track and field teams have done very well; on a comparative basis, they have done much better than almost every other varsity sport. The women's teams have won the last four Big East championships - two in Indoor and two in Outdoor, and the men have were runners-up for Indoor and Outdoor in 2017.
Obviously, indoor facilities would be ideal, but at this point it does not appear to have affected recruiting or competitiveness. Like almost all other discretionary spending by a university, it will probably take a benefactor (or group of benefactors) with both the passion and the funding to make this happen.
So you're position is because your team is successful anyway, why should we give you proper facilities to train in or give you an opportunity to host meets. Do you know what it is like to travel every single weekend. Do you know what issues they have to do deal with on a daily basis just to practice? The coaches there are outstanding and they don't complain and they figure out ways to prepare their team, but it is far from ideal and they deserve better.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 17, 2017, 03:08:09 PM
It isn't a "right" to have an indoor track. The facilities are fine.
. Agree to strongly disagree on this Statement. To have a sport and not have a facility for that team to practice in is an embarrassment for a division I school.
Quote from: MU1980 on December 17, 2017, 03:13:13 PM
. Agree to strongly disagree on this Statement. To have a sport and not have a facility for that team to practice in is an embarrassment for a division I school.
They do have a practice facility, just not what you would like them to have.
1980, what you are seemingly failing to acknowledge is that MU isn't attempting to build major D1 sports programs in the non-revs to compete with big state schools. I agree that the dome was done for Coach Amplo in an attempt to make MU a big time destination school in the midwest for lacrosse. Part of that strategy is to be a mechanism for recruiting east coast kids to campus. Respectfully, MU simply isn't about to put big money into Track and Field. Call us 'mid major' if you want. If you're an All-American talent, you're simply not considering a mid-sized Catholic university located in the cold. That athlete accepts a scholly from another school. Fine by most of us.
Quote from: jsglow on December 17, 2017, 03:29:32 PM
1980, what you are seemingly failing to acknowledge is that MU isn't attempting to build major D1 sports programs in the non-revs to compete with big state schools. I agree that the dome was done for Coach Amplo in an attempt to make MU a big time destination school in the midwest for lacrosse. Part of that strategy is to be a mechanism for recruiting east coast kids to campus. Respectfully, MU simply isn't about to put big money into Track and Field. Call us 'mid major' if you want. If you're an All-American talent, you're simply not considering a mid-sized Catholic university located in the cold. That athlete accepts a scholly from another school. Fine by most of us.
I realize I am a bit biased to track because it was my sport, but I am a huge fan of all sports at Marquette and the direction of the athletic department in recent years IS to make all of the sports competitive on a Big East and national level. Marquette can and does attract talent from all over the country and having a proper indoor facility would only enhance the ability to recruit, due to our climate.
As a fan of all Marquette sports, I have enjoyed seeing improvements for other programs, such as the Al McGuire center for men's and women's basketball and volleyball, valley fields for both men's and women's soccer programs and outdoor track and field, the bubble that is helping several sports, including track & field. I have enjoyed watching Marquette making a commitment to the LaCrosse programs.
I was so disappointed and sad for the Wrestling program when it was discontinued. And I will continue to be disappointed when the plans for the indoor track and field facility falls through once again and I am sure my fellow track alums feel the same way and of course, other alums are not going to feel as passionately about it. However, to see some of the comments on here that appear to be against the track program having an actual facility for their sport is surprising to me.
Over the years, Marquette track alums have donated large amounts of money to both athletics and Marquette in general. Marcus Lemonis, a track alum and star of "The profit", has been a huge ambassador for Marquette. When the Valley fields were built, track alums donated the most money and yet they were not giving stands for the facility and their long jump and triple jump pits were taken away several years ago to make room for locker rooms for other teams. When the Al McGuire center was built it was originally going to be for all sports and an indoor track was discussed as part of the plans. One of the largest donors to the Al was a track alum and he was very surprised and disappointed when the facility was scaled down to only include basketball and volleyball.
I am passionate about Marquette, love MU basketball as much as anyone and want to see each all the sports be given the best opportunity to succeed. I am disappointed that once again the indoor track is most likely not going to happen, but life moves on and I will continue to hope for an indoor facility for one of the most successful programs in the history of Marquette.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 17, 2017, 11:11:23 AM
That would be idiotic. It's almost as far away from the center from campus as the BC. Also for all the other reasons it makes absolutely no sense to have an on-campus arena.
Would this "major benefactor" also be willing to underwrite all of the operating losses and maintenance costs for his arena into perpetuity?
If someone chooses to fund an arena, I am sure the University would give it strong consideration. That said, it does not appear that said benefactor is on the horizon.
Also it is worth noting, other Universities frequently use their on campus arenas for concerts etc. So the notion it would be sitting vacant is not completely a given.
My sense is if MU were to get into the top 50 in US News we would have a better chance at getting a benefactor.
Benefactor no matta. Fundraisin' yes matta, hey?
Quote from: jsglow on December 17, 2017, 03:29:32 PM
1980, what you are seemingly failing to acknowledge is that MU isn't attempting to build major D1 sports programs in the non-revs to compete with big state schools. I agree that the dome was done for Coach Amplo in an attempt to make MU a big time destination school in the midwest for lacrosse. Part of that strategy is to be a mechanism for recruiting east coast kids to campus. Respectfully, MU simply isn't about to put big money into Track and Field. Call us 'mid major' if you want. If you're an All-American talent, you're simply not considering a mid-sized Catholic university located in the cold. That athlete accepts a scholly from another school. Fine by most of us.
Except for Wally.
Quote from: MU1980 on December 17, 2017, 04:02:08 PM
I realize I am a bit biased to track because it was my sport, but I am a huge fan of all sports at Marquette and the direction of the athletic department in recent years IS to make all of the sports competitive on a Big East and national level. Marquette can and does attract talent from all over the country and having a proper indoor facility would only enhance the ability to recruit, due to our climate.
As a fan of all Marquette sports, I have enjoyed seeing improvements for other programs, such as the Al McGuire center for men's and women's basketball and volleyball, valley fields for both men's and women's soccer programs and outdoor track and field, the bubble that is helping several sports, including track & field. I have enjoyed watching Marquette making a commitment to the LaCrosse programs.
I was so disappointed and sad for the Wrestling program when it was discontinued. And I will continue to be disappointed when the plans for the indoor track and field facility falls through once again and I am sure my fellow track alums feel the same way and of course, other alums are not going to feel as passionately about it. However, to see some of the comments on here that appear to be against the track program having an actual facility for their sport is surprising to me.
Over the years, Marquette track alums have donated large amounts of money to both athletics and Marquette in general. Marcus Lemonis, a track alum and star of "The profit", has been a huge ambassador for Marquette. When the Valley fields were built, track alums donated the most money and yet they were not giving stands for the facility and their long jump and triple jump pits were taken away several years ago to make room for locker rooms for other teams. When the Al McGuire center was built it was originally going to be for all sports and an indoor track was discussed as part of the plans. One of the largest donors to the Al was a track alum and he was very surprised and disappointed when the facility was scaled down to only include basketball and volleyball.
I am passionate about Marquette, love MU basketball as much as anyone and want to see each all the sports be given the best opportunity to succeed. I am disappointed that once again the indoor track is most likely not going to happen, but life moves on and I will continue to hope for an indoor facility for one of the most successful programs in the history of Marquette.
Fair statement. But let's admit that MU's facilities for anything will never look like Auburn's.
An on-campus arena that can also host concerts???? Cause there just aren't enough concert venues in Milwaukee, there are bands knocking the door demanding to play in Milwaukee but we have to turn them away because there is just no room at the inn?
MU got a 7 year lease at the Foxconn Center because that's all the Bucks would give them, not because there is some plan to build an arena but because that's all the leverage we had. An on-campus arena makes zero economic sense for MU.
Exactly. I mean, there is the new place, the Arena and then MU is going to build something? All in the same geographic area? Gigantic waste of resources not only for MU, but for the entire community.
Quote from: mu03eng on December 18, 2017, 08:14:17 AM
An on-campus arena that can also host concerts???? Cause there just aren't enough concert venues in Milwaukee, there are bands knocking the door demanding to play in Milwaukee but we have to turn them away because there is just no room at the inn?
MU got a 7 year lease at the Foxconn Center because that's all the Bucks would give them, not because there is some plan to build an arena but because that's all the leverage we had. An on-campus arena makes zero economic sense for MU.
Yep. I think the Bucks started the negotiations at 3 years, absolutely appalling to MU's administration and BOT. The relationship with Buck's ownership will never be anything more than cordial going forward.
Quote from: jsglow on December 18, 2017, 08:20:41 AM
Yep. I think the Bucks started the negotiations at 3 years, absolutely appalling to MU's administration and BOT. The relationship with Buck's ownership will never be anything more than cordial going forward.
At this point, cordial would be nice to have.
Quote from: mu03eng on December 18, 2017, 08:14:17 AM
An on-campus arena that can also host concerts???? Cause there just aren't enough concert venues in Milwaukee, there are bands knocking the door demanding to play in Milwaukee but we have to turn them away because there is just no room at the inn?
MU got a 7 year lease at the Foxconn Center because that's all the Bucks would give them, not because there is some plan to build an arena but because that's all the leverage we had. An on-campus arena makes zero economic sense for MU.
Incorrect, hey?
An on campus arena doesnt make sense now.
Work it so the Mecca closes the same day the theoretical on campus arena opens and it starts to make more sense.
The more I hear and think about this, the move to central campus, the more this makes sense. Academics married with Athletics and Aurora is a block away. It really unifies the three districts. Schroeder Field is there for expansion and Abbottsford can come tumbling down eventually.
That said, whether rumor or fantasy, MU's Joyce Center on Michigan is not as crazy as one may think. I suspect 4never is hearing some of this in his cryptic comments.
The Admirals are in Year 2 of a eight year lease at the UWM Dump. Marquette signed a 7 year lease starting in 2018. MUs current master plan phase is expected to end in 5-6 years. And the Big East TV contract ends in seven years. MU also has had thoughts on adding hockey like Scholl's ND. Hmmmm.
If anything, leaving this as an open-ended option provides leverage. As is speculating about future uses such as an expansion of the convention center, even if they sound wild in 2017. I can tell you that Marquette is committed to expanding its athletic footprint.
Yes MU opening a new arena with the Admirals makes sense if the Arena goes away.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 18, 2017, 10:54:36 AM
Yes MU opening a new arena with the Admirals makes sense if the Arena goes away.
Yep. Wintrust North (public-private). The Crumbling Panther Den comes down. The current Convention Center expanded north which connects the Bucks Arena, their Entertainment Plaza, the Bucks Bradley Center hotel, and the Brewery to the North with the MU Scoop Benny Dome and Wisconsin Ave to the South to unify Westown. The Grand Redevelopment is already underway. All hotels and venues connected by skyways like Minneapolis.
Btw, the land for this is all under control of interested parties. The light rail phases run right through all this. This also connects four university campuses too. They couldn't blow up the Mecca before as the other teams had no where to play realistically (and politically). MU can split games between the two arenas like Nova does, and have the chance to play NCAA games at home.
#donedeal
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 18, 2017, 10:13:03 AM
The more I hear and think about this, the move to central campus, the more this makes sense. Academics married with Athletics and Aurora is a block away. It really unifies the three districts. Schroeder Field is there for expansion and Abbottsford can come tumbling down eventually.
That said, whether rumor or fantasy, MU's Joyce Center on Michigan is not as crazy as one may think. I suspect 4never is hearing some of this in his cryptic comments.
The Admirals are in Year 2 of a eight year lease at the UWM Dump. Marquette signed a 7 year lease starting in 2018. MUs current master plan phase is expected to end in 5-6 years. And the Big East TV contract ends in seven years. MU also has had thoughts on adding hockey like Scholl's ND. Hmmmm.
If anything, leaving this as an open-ended option provides leverage. As is speculating about future uses such as an expansion of the convention center, even if they sound wild in 2017. I can tell you that Marquette is committed to expanding its athletic footprint.
There are desires and then there is reality. I agree that MU is trying to move pieces to make this sort of thing possible, but it is highly unlikely.
Just from a timing perspective we are going to have to have an on-campus arena ready to go by the time the seven year lease is up, not after. Current Bucks leadership doesn't need us, we have no leverage. Bringing plans to have an on-campus arena doesn't add leverage, Bucks can just as soon tell us to go pound sand.
Quote from: mu03eng on December 18, 2017, 12:44:10 PM
There are desires and then there is reality. I agree that MU is trying to move pieces to make this sort of thing possible, but it is highly unlikely.
Just from a timing perspective we are going to have to have an on-campus arena ready to go by the time the seven year lease is up, not after. Current Bucks leadership doesn't need us, we have no leverage. Bringing plans to have an on-campus arena doesn't add leverage, Bucks can just as soon tell us to go pound sand.
And lose an income stream in the process? They didn't make money telling people to pound sand. They made money by determining their price points.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 18, 2017, 12:50:15 PM
And lose an income stream in the process? They didn't make money telling people to pound sand. They made money by determining their price points.
This presumes that they think MU is a revenue stream they can't replace.
Quote from: mu03eng on December 18, 2017, 12:44:10 PM
There are desires and then there is reality. I agree that MU is trying to move pieces to make this sort of thing possible, but it is highly unlikely.
Just from a timing perspective we are going to have to have an on-campus arena ready to go by the time the seven year lease is up, not after. Current Bucks leadership doesn't need us, we have no leverage. Bringing plans to have an on-campus arena doesn't add leverage, Bucks can just as soon tell us to go pound sand.
Wintrust was built in two years. Barrett runs again in 2020, maybe his last term and legacy when he puts the final ribbon on his last term and doesn't worry about expending his political capital. The light rail wasn't built just for phase 1. A mixed public-private use, sold in via phases, is sellable in Wisconsin as long as growth can be seen. And, there could be a lot of private success by then.
As to the Bucks, connecting all this would be bigger boon than losing MU for the crappy buy games. For MU, it may just take donating the land and throwing in a few dollars much less than owning and operating it by themselves. MU will be watching the Wintrust Arena carefully.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 18, 2017, 12:02:55 PM
Yep. Wintrust North (public-private). The Crumbling Panther Den comes down. The current Convention Center expanded north which connects the Bucks Arena, their Entertainment Plaza, the Bucks Bradley Center hotel, and the Brewery to the North with the MU Scoop Benny Dome and Wisconsin Ave to the South to unify Westown. The Grand Redevelopment is already underway. All hotels and venues connected by skyways like Minneapolis.
Btw, the land for this is all under control of interested parties. The light rail phases run right through all this. This also connects four university campuses too. They couldn't blow up the Mecca before as the other teams had no where to play realistically (and politically). MU can split games between the two arenas like Nova does, and have the chance to play NCAA games at home.
#donedeal
Unlike WinTrust, Marquette would not get a cent of public money for this, especially coming so soon after building the Chaluparena.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 18, 2017, 01:07:38 PM
Wintrust was built in two years. Barrett runs again in 2020, maybe his last term and legacy when he puts the final ribbon on his last term and doesn't worry about expending his political capital. The light rail wasn't built just for phase 1. A mixed public-private use, sold in via phases, is sellable in Wisconsin as long as growth can be seen. And, there could be a lot of private success by then.
As to the Bucks, connecting all this would be bigger boon than losing MU for the crappy buy games. For MU, it may just take donating the land and throwing in a few dollars much less than owning and operating it by themselves. MU will be watching the Wintrust Arena carefully.
Dude, the light rail thing is dead in MKE after phase 1. Between the operating cost, the insanity of how they are building, and the business loss from inconvenienced customers there will be no phase 2.
Barrett couldn't marshal the forces to get all the competing interests to come together for the new arena to be part of an expansion of the convention center and revamp the theater district....what makes you think as a lame duck he's going to be able to get the Bucks ownership to cooperate with a plan that has no real impact on their bottom line simply because "it's good for the city"?
From my understanding the talk of an on-campus arena came and went fairly quickly. Could it be revived? Sure. But MU doesn't have the money, and will have a hard enough time trying to raise enough scratch for the rest of Lovell's ideas.
Quote from: mu03eng on December 18, 2017, 01:16:57 PM
Dude, the light rail thing is dead in MKE after phase 1. Between the operating cost, the insanity of how they are building, and the business loss from inconvenienced customers there will be no phase 2.
Barrett couldn't marshal the forces to get all the competing interests to come together for the new arena to be part of an expansion of the convention center and revamp the theater district....what makes you think as a lame duck he's going to be able to get the Bucks ownership to cooperate with a plan that has no real impact on their bottom line simply because "it's good for the city"?
Time will tell. And who said this wouldn't be profitable for the Bucks' owners. They didn't need the Admirals, and MU is not make or break long-term for them either. The Panther Arena is a physical blocker for them too for future development and is a public sink hole. MU owns the land that solves that problem.
Quote from: mu03eng on December 18, 2017, 01:16:57 PM
Dude, the light rail thing is dead in MKE after phase 1. Between the operating cost, the insanity of how they are building, and the business loss from inconvenienced customers there will be no phase 2.
We missed this. Phase 2 of The Hop is a done deal. Phase 3 is the Arena spur. No way it doesn't get built.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.jsonline.com/amp/740681001
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 20, 2017, 10:03:23 PM
We missed this. Phase 2 of The Hop is a done deal. Phase 3 is the Arena spur. No way it doesn't get built.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.jsonline.com/amp/740681001
There is no phase 2, Potowanami is just supporting the rail line that was already going in (2.5 mile track). That cost $128 million to build....a spur to the arena would cost at least that and that won't be covered by a federal grant like phase 1 was.
Quote from: mu03eng on December 21, 2017, 08:07:12 AM
There is no phase 2, Potowanami is just supporting the rail line that was already going in (2.5 mile track). That cost $128 million to build....a spur to the arena would cost at least that and that won't be covered by a federal grant like phase 1 was.
Semantics then as the Spur is Phase 2 from their maps. Trump is lining up his infrastructure bill next.
Let's see if Phase 3 (arena) gets funded. Ryan will control that bill. Wisconsin highways for sure will be approved. This, questionable.
I think there's something to what Dr. B is saying. Not sure about all the moving pieces, but specifically from an MU athletics perspective this would make a lot of sense