his shopliftin' kid from UCLA. Maybe if LiAngelo had a father woo wuz a bedder roll model, da kid wooden have stolen, ai na?
Just stop. Role models are few and far between. And even kids with two 'role model' parents do stupid crap.
Quote from: tower912 on December 04, 2017, 02:57:37 PM
Just stop. Role models are few and far between. And even kids with two 'role model' parents do stupid crap.
Not many do stupid crap to the point of shoplifting in a communist country, though.
How toxic is LiAngelo?
If he was interested in MU ... good idea? (hypothetically)
Who is more toxic Brian Bowen (Louisville) or LiAngelo? Would you take Bowen?
Quote from: wadesworld on December 04, 2017, 05:41:16 PM
Not many do stupid crap to the point of shoplifting in a communist country, though.
There are stories all of the time about young Americans abroad getting arrested for something. Drugs. Indecent exposure. Theft. Nobody discussed their parents. I am not absolving anyone. But at the end of the day, a bunch of 18-19 year olds did something stupid and illegal.
Quote from: 1.21 Jigawatts on December 04, 2017, 07:32:03 PM
How toxic is LiAngelo?
If he was interested in MU ... good idea? (hypothetically)
Who is more toxic Brian Bowen (Louisville) or LiAngelo? Would you take Bowen?
No and no
Quote from: 1.21 Jigawatts on December 04, 2017, 07:32:03 PM
How toxic is LiAngelo?
If he was interested in MU ... good idea? (hypothetically)
Who is more toxic Brian Bowen (Louisville) or LiAngelo? Would you take Bowen?
Anyone else read this via Alex Jones' voice screaming into a microphone?
Never listened, so I will take your word for it.
Quote from: 1.21 Jigawatts on December 04, 2017, 07:32:03 PM
How toxic is LiAngelo?
If he was interested in MU ... good idea? (hypothetically)
Who is more toxic Brian Bowen (Louisville) or LiAngelo? Would you take Bowen?
LiAngelo was a low 3* recruit, ranked in the 200's. Why would we take him? I'm not even sure I'd take him if we were guaranteed his younger brother (who will likely be ineligible).
Quote from: tower912 on December 04, 2017, 07:53:49 PM
There are stories all of the time about young Americans abroad getting arrested for something. Drugs. Indecent exposure. Theft. Nobody discussed their parents. I am not absolving anyone. But at the end of the day, a bunch of 18-19 year olds did something stupid and illegal.
I think an MU student even did something illegal, was imprisoned and they made a movie about it.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 04, 2017, 02:30:53 PM
his shopliftin' kid from UCLA. Maybe if LiAngelo had a father woo wuz a bedder roll model, da kid wooden have stolen, ai na?
wooden? As in John?
Quote from: forgetful on December 04, 2017, 10:18:19 PM
LiAngelo was a low 3* recruit, ranked in the 200's. Why would we take him? I'm not even sure I'd take him if we were guaranteed his younger brother (who will likely be ineligible).
Why is younger brother ineligible? (not following that circus)
Quote from: T-Bone on December 05, 2017, 09:08:02 AM
Why is younger brother ineligible? (not following that circus)
The guess is that moron dad will do something shoe-related to screw it up.
Quote from: T-Bone on December 05, 2017, 09:08:02 AM
Why is younger brother ineligible? (not following that circus)
The same day LaVar annouces that he's pulling the middle son out of UCLA, he announces he's releasing a new shoe & using his youngest son as the marketing piece for it. So basically, if dad starts profiting off baby Ball's name, image, reputation, etc. in order to sell a basketball shoe, baby Ball's amateur eligibility is put into jeopardy.
Before the talk about paying for the sins of the father - granted, I'm not sure if this is accurate - I think he's being regarded as a 1-and-done, so skipping college and going G- or Euro-league for a season might not be a bad idea, especially since Alford is probably done playing with other Balls, and Enfield doesn't have any reason to (https://www.si.com/college-basketball/one-and-one/2013/03/19/how-a-sprained-ankle-helped-land-andy-enfield-a-supermodel).
Meanwhile, Lonzo is shooting 31% overall, 25% from 3 and 50% from the line. He is averaging 7 assists but also nearly 3 TO (not surprising for a rookie). His eFG% ranks near the bottom of the league.
If he doesn't fix his shot, he will never be a real difference-maker in the NBA; even Rondo wasn't this bad. It is possible, though. Conley, for example, was considered a poor shooter when he came in but he has made himself All-Star caliber. Numbers were never as ugly as Lonzo's, though.
Got it. Figured it'd be something along those lines. Thanks!
Quote from: tower912 on December 04, 2017, 02:57:37 PM
Just stop. Role models are few and far between. And even kids with two 'role model' parents do stupid crap.
you did read lavar's comment after his lil darlin made it home with all his digits intact, right? "it ain't that big a deal" ?? along with some other really stupid stuff. i don't care if you have 1 parent, 2 parents, or no parents, someone needs to set a better example than this stump. i think lonzo would be a better "father figure" than lavar
Trump University has an opening...
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 05, 2017, 05:43:57 PM
Trump University has an opening...
Yeah, but....
They've won so much that they are tired of winning. So why bother.
I heard Dayton as a landing spot for 'gelo. Younger brother and stuff.
I'll take 5 Tim Maymon's instead of one Lavar. I think the ratio is about 8-1, but that would be if the student athlete were any good.
If only LaVar Ball's father had "pulled out."
They have signed with an agent and are being shopped to teams in Europe. Could get interesting if dad thinks he'll be able to get as much attention as he does in the US.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 07, 2017, 06:37:22 PM
They have signed with an agent and are being shopped to teams in Europe. Could get interesting if dad thinks he'll be able to get as much attention as he does in the US.
Will Monrovia be able to sign him for a five finger discount?
Looks like lesser Ball brothers are heading overseas in a package deal.
LiAngelo and LaMelo Ball have reached an agreement to sign professional basketball deals with Lithuanian club Prienu Vytautas, the team's coach/GM and Balls' agent told ESPN.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21741604/liangelo-lamelo-ball-serious-talks-lithuanian-basketball-club
For LiAngelo's and LaMelo's sake, I really hope this is what they wanted and didn't go to Lithuania because "dad said so."
Can't imagine a 16 year old kid would want to leave his friends and comfortable life in SoCal to go live and play in Lithuania for 3 years on his own accord. Guess money talks though.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 11, 2017, 05:34:22 PM
For LiAngelo's and Lamello's sake, I really hope this is what they wanted and didn't go to Lithuania because "dad said so."
Can't imagine a 16 year old kid would want to leave his friends and comfortable life in SoCal to go live and play in Lithuania for 3 years on his own accord. Guess money talks though.
According to ESPN (FWIW) it would seem that even the team views this as a publicity stunt. I'm having a hard time believing that this will help set a solid foundation for LaMelo's NBA future. Lonzo is lucky as hell he "got out" before his dad lost all touch with reality.
fool me once...fool me two or tree more times though ain't gonna happen. it's going to be interesting how lithuania is going to handle the mr. they better give the "ball boys" a little walk thru on the laws of the land. be a shame to see 'em locked up for doing nothing serious again. i doubt potus will be in any hurry to rescue lavar's lil darlins from being bent over behind the wood shed, ain'er?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 11, 2017, 05:42:21 PM
According to ESPN (FWIW) it would seem that even the team views this as a publicity stunt. I'm having a hard time believing that this will help set a solid foundation for LaMelo's NBA future. Lonzo is lucky as hell he "got out" before his dad lost all touch with reality.
They are playing for a very low level team over there, so publicity is the best option for the owners. I don't expect they will love the experience of being in a small town of 10,000 people after growing up in LA. Those balmy 60 degree July days are not gonna feel like home. The same longitude as Denmark and southern Sweden.
There are no other Americans on the team and they have never had any notable players. Strictly low level stuff.
"Thanks a lot, Dad!!"
16 and pro. Wow.
Quote from: Jockey on December 11, 2017, 08:28:33 PM
They are playing for a very low level team over there, so publicity is the best option for the owners. I don't expect they will love the experience of being in a small town of 10,000 people after growing up in LA. Those balmy 60 degree July days are not gonna feel like home. The same longitude as Denmark and southern Sweden.
There are no other Americans on the team and they have never had any notable players. Strictly low level stuff.
"Thanks a lot, Dad!!"
Sounds like a good place for them to potentially vanish into obscurity.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 11, 2017, 05:23:52 PM
Looks like lesser Ball brothers are heading overseas in a package deal.
LiAngelo and LaMelo Ball have reached an agreement to sign professional basketball deals with Lithuanian club Prienu Vytautas, the team's coach/GM and Balls' agent told ESPN.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21741604/liangelo-lamelo-ball-serious-talks-lithuanian-basketball-club
Well doesn't that article read as a ringing endorsement of the Ball's abilities:
"LaMelo has the potential to play in the NBA someday, especially if he were on a more traditional development path. Even so, his shot selection is questionable and he has struggled to impact winning. LaMelo is a career 30 percent 3-point shooter, according to Krossover data (42 games and 605 attempts).
LiAngelo, 19, is a thick-framed, 6-foot-5 player who offers little value outside of occasional spot-up shooting. He projected as a mid-major college player out of high school and wasn't expected to be in UCLA's regular rotation. He would be expected to struggle to add any value in the Lithuanian or Baltic leagues. He is a career 32 percent 3-point shooter on 590 attempts, according to Krossover data. LiAngelo is a limited ball handler and defender, and plays strictly below the rim."
So two players that barely shoot over 30% and offer next to no value to a low level lithuanian team.
Quote from: forgetful on December 11, 2017, 10:30:24 PM
Well doesn't that article read as a ringing endorsement of the Ball's abilities:
I read that and my second thought (after, "wow...that's a pretty harsh assessment...") was that ESPN has now resorted to trolling LaVar Ball. I'm not saying it's inaccurate, but ESPN knows that a fired up Ball is good for ratings.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on December 11, 2017, 10:23:24 PM
16 and pro. Wow.
16 and pro isn't *that* unusual over in Europe. They aren't as weirdly obsessed with amateurism as we are.
Quote from: Jockey on December 11, 2017, 08:28:33 PM
They are playing for a very low level team over there, so publicity is the best option for the owners. I don't expect they will love the experience of being in a small town of 10,000 people after growing up in LA. Those balmy 60 degree July days are not gonna feel like home. The same longitude as Denmark and southern Sweden.
There are no other Americans on the team and they have never had any notable players. Strictly low level stuff.
"Thanks a lot, Dad!!"
Really is tragic for those kids.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 12, 2017, 09:18:27 AM
16 and pro isn't *that* unusual over in Europe. They aren't as weirdly obsessed with amateurism as we are.
For mainland Europe maybe, but in Scotland and Ireland there's a nuts obsession with amateurism that might even surpass ours.
I thought there was less than a 10% chance that LaMelo ever played at UCLA. I just thought it would be because LiAngelo would be glued to the bench and Lavar would pull LiAngelo and LaMelo out because "Alford doesn't know how to coach his kids." Did not see the causing an international incident coming.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 12, 2017, 10:54:18 AM
I thought there was less than a 10% chance that LaMelo ever played at UCLA. I just thought it would be because LiAngelo would be glued to the bench and Lavar would pull LiAngelo and LaMelo out because "Alford doesn't know how to coach his kids." Did not see the causing an international incident coming.
I thought that there was less than 10% chance that LaMelo would manage to maintain amateur status long enough to play for UCLA. But not like this. I thought that LaVar would cause him to lose his amateur status through connections with and income from BBB, and then try to be the face of a lawsuit challenging the NCAA's amateurism rules. That would be right up his alley: "You're not going to allow him to play NCAA hoops because he's part of the family business?!" Two months ago, I would have bet money on this happening. And, of course, I'd have lost.
Fran Fraschilla
@franfraschilla
Prominant former American player who played for Ball brothers's new coach had some insight on him: 1. Competent coach w/free-wheeling pick-and-roll offense. 2. Speaks no English 3. Screams the entire game. 4. Sold meat out of his car trunk to his players after practice. I swear.
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This is going to be fun!!!
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 12, 2017, 04:21:42 PM
Fran Fraschilla
@franfraschilla
Prominant former American player who played for Ball brothers's new coach had some insight on him: 1. Competent coach w/free-wheeling pick-and-roll offense. 2. Speaks no English 3. Screams the entire game. 4. Sold meat out of his car trunk to his players after practice. I swear.
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This is going to be fun!!!
That's just how Big Ballers ball.