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Title: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: MU82 on November 30, 2017, 10:28:30 AM
I know FTs no matta ... but really, polls no matta, either.

So what the heck; I thought I'd have a little fun here!
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: tower912 on November 30, 2017, 10:37:28 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: MU82 on November 30, 2017, 12:31:14 PM
I love it. So far, "Next week" is tied with NEVER!
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on November 30, 2017, 12:40:16 PM
I went with "Never. And that includes his 15-year NBA career."

But I should have went with "Other" to clarify that by never I mean never again in practice, pickup, playing with neices/nephews on a fischer price hoop, crumpled paper into wastebasket post playing career, etc.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: LoudMouth on November 30, 2017, 12:49:44 PM
I went with "Never. And that includes his 15-year NBA career."

But I should have went with "Other" to clarify that by never I mean never again in practice, pickup, playing with neices/nephews on a fischer price hoop, crumpled paper into wastebasket post playing career, etc.
+1000
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: barfolomew on November 30, 2017, 02:28:14 PM
I love it. So far, "Next week" is tied with NEVER!

They're the same thing.
Eat at Arby's.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: MU82 on November 30, 2017, 02:31:07 PM
This was my first Scoop poll (and likely my last), and now I'm seeing why others enjoy starting them.

Good, clean, American fun!
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 30, 2017, 02:33:29 PM
I went with next week.

Not because of the pressure, but purely due to the fact that you started this thread  ;)
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 30, 2017, 02:37:43 PM
I went with next week.

Not because of the pressure, but purely due to the fact that you started this thread  ;)

I went with never because based on last night he will never shoot another one.  Unless there is a technical
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Class71 on November 30, 2017, 04:11:33 PM
Answer is yes he will miss. When anyone can guess.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: GGGG on November 30, 2017, 04:22:39 PM
Answer is yes he will miss. When anyone can guess.


Thanks.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 30, 2017, 04:32:39 PM
Answer is yes he will miss. When anyone can guess.

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/06/opinionated.gif)
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: bilsu on November 30, 2017, 05:13:19 PM
Other, since he is not likely to beat Novak's record of 50+ free throws made in a row.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Class71 on November 30, 2017, 07:08:05 PM
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/06/opinionated.gif)

Correct.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: MU82 on December 01, 2017, 07:21:08 PM
Crapola! "Next week" has edged past "Never"!
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: MU82 on December 15, 2017, 10:36:27 PM
Bump.

The leading vote-getter - Markus missing during the Georgia-Vermont-Wisconsin stretch - is now kaput!

I'm sticking with NEVER!!!
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 15, 2017, 10:41:34 PM
Isn’t this like a no-hitter... you’re not supposed to talk about it or mention it.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: MU82 on December 16, 2017, 11:14:39 PM
Isn’t this like a no-hitter... you’re not supposed to talk about it or mention it.

Hey Smuggles.

Nobody ever talks about the no-hitters that are pitched after the announcer mentions them from the 5th inning on - as more and more announcers (thankfully) do. Nobody ever talks about the free throws guys make after the announcers mention them.

Announcers have been talking about Markus being perfect from the line for at least 4 games now.

I know you were kidding, but there are people who actually believe it! I'm a big Bilas fan, but he embarrasses himself when he wastes time talking about the "FT jinx."

Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Jay Bee on December 17, 2017, 12:47:46 AM
I'm a big Bilas fan, but he embarrasses himself when he wastes time talking about the "FT jinx."

tbh most announcers say tons of irrelevant nonsense.

We all know FTsNoMatta but will it ever end probably not. FG%, rebounding margin... they’ve been around so long that the masses, who are idiots, won’t stop. Sad!
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Dawson Rental on December 18, 2017, 12:16:22 AM
As soon as students begin a "automatic" chant for him.

I wanted to vote in the poll, but couldn't since I won't be at the Jan 12th game at Butler.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: MUMonster03 on December 18, 2017, 07:27:51 AM
Other, since he is not likely to beat Novak's record of 50+ free throws made in a row.
Does anyone know how many Novak did hit in a row? Howard currently sits at 36 in a row counting his last 9 makes last year.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 18, 2017, 07:37:51 AM
Markus is now at 45 straight ... and counting

Though the Providence game he is 38 for 38 FTs
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4065805/markus-howard

He also hit his last 7 in a row to end last season
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/4065805/year/2017/markus-howard

He is 19 consecutive makes away from cracking the top 5 all-time.  23 straight from tying Novak.

Does anyone know how many Novak did hit in a row? Howard currently sits at 36 in a row counting his last 9 makes last year.

The NCAA all-time record for consecutive FTs made is 85.

Novak #3 all-time at 68

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/the-dagger/no-9-untouchables-darnell-archey-free-throw-streak-130049863.html

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/fwQoMX7mILzLlgk_kvgy.w--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9MzEwO2g9NDY2O2lsPXBsYW5l/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusncaabexperts/Fullscreen-capture-5262012-61205-PM.jpg)

45 straight this season (Nova included)

7 for 7 against Seton Hall in the BET last year.  Missed against Creighton the game before, and had no FT attempts against South Carolina in the Tourney

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/4065805/year/2017/markus-howard

7 straight to end last season, 45 straight this season ... 52 and counting.

12 from cracking the top five, 16 from Novak, 33 from the record.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: MU82 on December 18, 2017, 01:49:06 PM
As soon as students begin a "automatic" chant for him.

Oooh ... that's a good one. Wish I had included it.

Pretty funny that they would chant automatic for a good FT shooter like Davante but not for the nation's best.

BTW ... lots of recent votes for NEVER!
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: KampusFoods on December 18, 2017, 02:12:42 PM
When we are down 3 in the final seconds of the National Championship, Markus will go to the line and sacrifice his streak, line one off the front rim that gets tipped out to Rowsey, who promptly hits #TheThing for the game winning 4-point play.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on December 18, 2017, 02:16:42 PM
Oooh ... that's a good one. Wish I had included it.

Pretty funny that they would chant automatic for a good FT shooter like Davante but not for the nation's best.

BTW ... lots of recent votes for NEVER!

Agreed, but I think it was the novelty of a brute force guy of that size who lived at the line hitting 80%+

M2N is literally autmatic, whereas Davante was spirtually automatic
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Jockey on December 18, 2017, 02:56:55 PM
It will finally happen at the 2024 NBA All-Star game.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Skitch on December 18, 2017, 03:23:12 PM
It will finally happen at the 2024 NBA All-Star game.

After being fouled by Kostas.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: bilsu on December 18, 2017, 03:53:59 PM
The NCAA all-time record for consecutive FTs made is 85.

Novak #3 all-time at 68

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/the-dagger/no-9-untouchables-darnell-archey-free-throw-streak-130049863.html

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/fwQoMX7mILzLlgk_kvgy.w--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9MzEwO2g9NDY2O2lsPXBsYW5l/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusncaabexperts/Fullscreen-capture-5262012-61205-PM.jpg)
I am going by my memory, but I think Novak missed both throws when the streak ended. It could of been another streak he had. Probably missed the second, because he was upset about missing the first.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 18, 2017, 08:10:47 PM
9 for 9 against NIU

Now 45 in a row.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Markusquette on December 18, 2017, 09:05:08 PM
9 for 9 against NIU

Now 45 in a row.

If there was one game he could have missed a throw, it was the one with the bad eye.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: cheebs09 on December 18, 2017, 09:09:15 PM
If there was one game he could have missed a throw, it was the one with the bad eye.

Plus I think he got roughed up one one before going to the line. I thought that was a tough position for him, but knocked them down like no big deal.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: MU82 on December 18, 2017, 09:18:10 PM
NEVER!!!
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 18, 2017, 09:29:40 PM
19 consecutive makes away from entering the top five all-time.  That should be about 4 or 5 games.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 03, 2018, 09:25:52 PM
Markus is now at 45 straight ... and counting

Though the Providence game he is 38 for 38 FTs
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4065805/markus-howard

He also hit his last 7 in a row to end last season
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/4065805/year/2017/markus-howard

He is 19 consecutive makes away from cracking the top 5 all-time.  23 straight from tying Novak.

Does anyone know how many Novak did hit in a row? Howard currently sits at 36 in a row counting his last 9 makes last year.

The NCAA all-time record for consecutive FTs made is 85.

Novak #3 all-time at 68

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/the-dagger/no-9-untouchables-darnell-archey-free-throw-streak-130049863.html

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/fwQoMX7mILzLlgk_kvgy.w--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9MzEwO2g9NDY2O2lsPXBsYW5l/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusncaabexperts/Fullscreen-capture-5262012-61205-PM.jpg)
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: MU82 on January 03, 2018, 10:07:11 PM
I will admit that when Markus went to the line to complete the 3-point play that tied the game near the end of regulation, I turned to my wife and said: "This guy hasn't missed a free throw all year. He'd better not miss this one."

He didn't. Swish.

I'm sticking with NEVER!
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: MU82 on January 10, 2018, 11:01:40 PM
Well, we've gotten through the first two levels of this, and Markus is 51-for-51.

Next up: The Butler game.

I have a flight to Indy and tickets to the game, but it's supposed to rain all day tomorrow, get very cold and windy overnight and then have ice and snow on Friday morning, so I don't know if my flight will happen or not. I'd be super-bummed if it doesn't cuz I'm supposed to meet a couple of buds.

And I want to see Markus go 11-for-11 from the line in our big 80-70 road win to pass Novak for the 3rd-longest streak ever!
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: brewcity77 on January 11, 2018, 07:04:47 AM
And I want to see Markus go 11-for-11 from the line in our big 80-70 road win to pass Novak for the 3rd-longest streak ever!

To be clear, because there's some confusion on this, Markus' streak now sits at 60. He made his final 9 free throws of the 2016-17 season. He scored the final two points of the Creighton win at the line with 5 seconds to play, went 7/7 against Seton Hall at MSG, and didn't shoot a free throw against South Carolina.

I believe the confusion is because of the Creighton game. He went 2/4 in that game and missed the front end of two one-and-one opportunities with 0:42 and 0:32 on the clock, respectively. The key is that the two he made were the last two, thus the beginning of the streak.

Not singling you out, 82, just want us to be accurate in knowing that when Markus makes 9 more in a row, we can celebrate him breaking Novak's record. When he makes 26, he'll have broken Darnell Archey's all time record of 85.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Knight Commission on January 11, 2018, 08:07:32 AM
What is the record for consecutive free throws from the beginning of the season?
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: skianth16 on January 11, 2018, 08:22:01 AM
To be clear, because there's some confusion on this, Markus' streak now sits at 60. He made his final 9 free throws of the 2016-17 season. He scored the final two points of the Creighton win at the line with 5 seconds to play, went 7/7 against Seton Hall at MSG, and didn't shoot a free throw against South Carolina.

Does the NCAA record account for multiple seasons, or is it just for a single season? Based on the graphic in this thread, it seems like it's just for a single season.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: brewcity77 on January 11, 2018, 08:31:58 AM
Does the NCAA record account for multiple seasons, or is it just for a single season? Based on the graphic in this thread, it seems like it's just for a single season.

If you read the article, it mentions that Archey's streak went from February 2001 to January 2003.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2018, 08:43:32 AM
To be clear, because there's some confusion on this, Markus' streak now sits at 60. He made his final 9 free throws of the 2016-17 season. He scored the final two points of the Creighton win at the line with 5 seconds to play, went 7/7 against Seton Hall at MSG, and didn't shoot a free throw against South Carolina.

I believe the confusion is because of the Creighton game. He went 2/4 in that game and missed the front end of two one-and-one opportunities with 0:42 and 0:32 on the clock, respectively. The key is that the two he made were the last two, thus the beginning of the streak.

Not singling you out, 82, just want us to be accurate in knowing that when Markus makes 9 more in a row, we can celebrate him breaking Novak's record. When he makes 26, he'll have broken Darnell Archey's all time record of 85.

Thanks, brew. I like facts, and I certainly wasn't trying to misrepresent anything.

So he's at 60 - amazing!!

I'll settle for 9-for-9 at Butler ... whether or not my flight ever takes off.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: reinko on January 11, 2018, 09:54:39 AM
Thanks, brew. I like facts, and I certainly wasn't trying to misrepresent anything.

So he's at 60 - amazing!!

I'll settle for 9-for-9 at Butler ... whether or not my flight ever takes off.

9 for 9 on top of the 60 already made.

Nice.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2018, 10:27:32 AM
Rowsey is shooting .906 from the line.

He is Marquette's THIRD-best FT shooter.

What an effen slacker!!
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: jsglow on January 11, 2018, 11:19:00 AM
Rowsey is shooting .906 from the line.

He is Marquette's THIRD-best FT shooter.

What an effen slacker!!

And being too lazy to look anything up, I'll bet #2 is Matty.  Dude has been a model of consistency all season.  And when you can have your big guy on the floor during hackatime in end games situations, you'll hold a lot of 2-3 possession leads through the final horn.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 11, 2018, 11:29:38 AM
And being too lazy to look anything up, I'll bet #2 is Matty.  Dude has been a model of consistency all season.  And when you can have your big guy on the floor during hackatime in end games situations, you'll hold a lot of 2-3 possession leads through the final horn.

You forget who Sam Hauser is?
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 11, 2018, 11:30:57 AM
And being too lazy to look anything up, I'll bet #2 is Matty.  Dude has been a model of consistency all season.  And when you can have your big guy on the floor during hackatime in end games situations, you'll hold a lot of 2-3 possession leads through the final horn.

But you are dead on about Matt being insanely good all of a sudden
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Loose Cannon on January 11, 2018, 11:31:51 AM
You forget who Sam Hauser is?

I'm guessing Matty too.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 11, 2018, 11:33:12 AM
I'm guessing Matty too.

It's close but Sams got him by 6.

17/19 for Matt

23/25 for Sam.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2018, 11:35:02 AM
Sam is shooting .920 from the line.

Matt is at .895, which is very good for anybody, let alone a center, let alone any team's FOURTH-best FT shooter.

Of course, Matt's sample size is quite small (only 19 attempts in 17 games). My main problem with having him on the floor at the end of a game in a "they're gonna foul us" situation has nothing to do with his FT stroke. He's pretty slow and, mostly, he doesn't have the best hands.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Loose Cannon on January 11, 2018, 11:35:56 AM
It's close but Sams got him by 6.

17/19 for Matt

23/25 for Sam.

Thanks, for the feedback.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: jsglow on January 11, 2018, 11:43:44 AM
But you are dead on about Matt being insanely good all of a sudden

It's really been true all year.  Sure, lowish usage.  But I never have a problem seeing Matty go to the line.  Solid, like most things in his somewhat limited game.  I love guys like that.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 11, 2018, 11:50:32 AM
It's really been true all year.  Sure, lowish usage.  But I never have a problem seeing Matty go to the line.  Solid, like most things in his somewhat limited game.  I love guys like that.

Yeah I meant in relation to last year.

I think he was in the low 60s last year

Love that he's gotten better. Now if he could start getting there more
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: jsglow on January 11, 2018, 12:08:55 PM
Yeah I meant in relation to last year.

I think he was in the low 60s last year

Love that he's gotten better. Now if he could start getting there more

That's right.  Like a lot of things with Matty's game, he's improved right up to the limit of the gifts that God gave him.  What coach doesn't absolutely LOVE that? 

Here's what I 100% know.  He's starting every single one of his remaining MU games barring injury/illness.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Jay Bee on January 11, 2018, 06:44:02 PM
That's right.  Like a lot of things with Matty's game, he's improved right up to the limit of the gifts that God gave him.  What coach doesn't absolutely LOVE that? 

Here's what I 100% know.  He's starting every single one of his remaining MU games barring injury/illness.

cc: @OldTakesExposed
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: jsglow on January 11, 2018, 07:02:31 PM
cc: @OldTakesExposed

Not sure if you're agreeing with me or ridiculing me?  :o

I suppose it doesn't matter because it's what I really think.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 12, 2018, 08:44:47 PM
Markus was 4 for 4 tonight (Butler, Jan 12)

64 straight, correct?

If so, he tied for #5 all-time and is 4 behind Novak for #3 All-time.

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/fwQoMX7mILzLlgk_kvgy.w--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9MzEwO2g9NDY2O2lsPXBsYW5l/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusncaabexperts/Fullscreen-capture-5262012-61205-PM.jpg)
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: We R Final Four on January 12, 2018, 09:19:06 PM
Not according to the broadcast. Brew seemed to have set it straight, but the media doesn?t seem to have the same # in their streak.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: brewcity77 on January 12, 2018, 09:45:36 PM
Not according to the broadcast. Brew seemed to have set it straight, but the media doesn?t seem to have the same # in their streak.

The media is wrong. I tweeted at Mac during the game and just sent a thread at Broeker, Kuykendall, Homer, and the Marquette basketball account.

Go back and check the Creighton game. Howard missed two front end one-and-ones but was 2/2 on a trip with 5 seconds left, the last points scored in the game. He then went 7/7 against Seton Hall at MSG and didn't go to the line against South Carolina.

9 last year plus 55 this year is 64. 4 more to tie Novak, 21 more to equal Darnell Archey.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: We R Final Four on January 12, 2018, 09:59:45 PM
 Yeah I get it. They don?t. For whatever reason. And unfortunately, they are the clowns in charge of the books.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: jsglow on January 13, 2018, 01:50:22 PM
The media is wrong. I tweeted at Mac during the game and just sent a thread at Broeker, Kuykendall, Homer, and the Marquette basketball account.

Go back and check the Creighton game. Howard missed two front end one-and-ones but was 2/2 on a trip with 5 seconds left, the last points scored in the game. He then went 7/7 against Seton Hall at MSG and didn't go to the line against South Carolina.

9 last year plus 55 this year is 64. 4 more to tie Novak, 21 more to equal Darnell Archey.

Have you gotten any response brew?  You are 100% correct based on my analysis.  What the h*ll is the SID doing anyway? This has the potential to be a historic achievement.  Between this and the fact that someone can't get the effin' flashpods to work during intros means somebody might need to find a new job.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: jsglow on January 13, 2018, 04:14:11 PM
64 #donedeal.  Chatted first with Broeker and then Kuykendall reached out.   8-)
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: MU82 on January 14, 2018, 11:47:09 AM
Got through the Butler game without having jinxed Markus.

Good thing I don't believe in jinxes.

Sticking with NEVER!
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: jsglow on January 14, 2018, 11:57:48 AM
Got through the Butler game without having jinxed Markus.

Good thing I don't believe in jinxes.

Sticking with NEVER!

HA! I asked Kuykendall if we should go 'no hitter radio silent'.  No response.  :)
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: MomofMUltiples on January 14, 2018, 12:38:26 PM
I had to listen to the Butler home broadcast (damnSiriusXM) and they had 60 in a row on there before his first make. So the number is out there somewhere.

The announcers kept calling Butler ?the Dogs.?  Sometimes felt like I was listening to dog races.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 15, 2018, 10:21:50 PM
2 for 2 tonight (DePaul)
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400988576

66 straight .. tied for 4th all-time and two behind Novak


https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/the-dagger/no-9-untouchables-darnell-archey-free-throw-streak-130049863.html

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/fwQoMX7mILzLlgk_kvgy.w--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9MzEwO2g9NDY2O2lsPXBsYW5l/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusncaabexperts/Fullscreen-capture-5262012-61205-PM.jpg)
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 15, 2018, 10:31:24 PM
Cool to have two players in the top 5 in history. But not satisfied with #3 and #4!
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: jesmu84 on January 24, 2018, 06:08:12 PM
Hell of a night to miss his first
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: MUBigDance on January 24, 2018, 06:11:29 PM
Maybe all for the better. Wake up call.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 24, 2018, 06:14:49 PM
The announcers had it at 66 straight and I think that is correct.

Tied for 4th all-time, two short of Novak's school record.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 24, 2018, 07:47:56 PM
Jeez, what's all the fuss? He doesn't even have the school record.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: MU82 on January 24, 2018, 09:53:52 PM
Doggone it ... I was sure NEVER was right!

A hell of a run, including some really, really important ones. Nicely done, young man.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 24, 2018, 10:57:43 PM
(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/250x250/60859473.jpg)
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Jay Bee on January 28, 2018, 12:39:32 PM
That's right.  Like a lot of things with Matty's game, he's improved right up to the limit of the gifts that God gave him.  What coach doesn't absolutely LOVE that? 

Here's what I 100% know.  He's starting every single one of his remaining MU games barring injury/illness.

100%. lol
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on January 28, 2018, 02:14:31 PM
FT% matta
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 28, 2018, 02:19:58 PM
FT% matta

A 97% shooter missing kind of proves the opposite
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on January 28, 2018, 02:26:33 PM
A 97% shooter missing kind of proves the opposite

What? If he had shot his normal % the whole ending would have been different. We got zero points when we almost always end up with 2 there.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 28, 2018, 02:45:33 PM
What? If he had shot his normal % the whole ending would have been different. We got zero points when we almost always end up with 2 there.

Ah I see what you are saying. Sure, if Markus hit one of those it could have changed the outcome of the game by a point or two....of course if Howard hit anywere near close to his 64% 2FG% instead of 2/10 it would have changed the outcome a lot more. Or if we didn't have have three more turnovers...or allow them to shoot 57 eFG%....or allow them to grab double digit offensive rebounds...or allow them to draw 8 more fouls than us...

We fans like to focus in on missed FTs for some reason when really their impact is minuscule on the total outcome. Reality is, our season FT% as a team is 78.9%. We made 75% of our FTs today. Even if you say we "shoot our average" by making one more (which would be 83%) it is only a difference of 1 point.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on January 28, 2018, 02:50:39 PM
Ah I see what you are saying. Sure, if Markus hit one of those it could have changed the outcome of the game by a point or two....of course if Howard hit anywere near close to his 64% 2FG% instead of 2/10 it would have changed the outcome a lot more. Or if we didn't have have three more turnovers...or allow them to shoot 57 eFG%....or allow them to grab double digit offensive rebounds...or allow them to draw 8 more fouls than us...

We fans like to focus in on missed FTs for some reason when really their impact is minuscule on the total outcome. Reality is, our season FT% as a team is 78.9%. We made 75% of our FTs today. Even if you say we "shoot our average" by making one more (which would be 83%) it is only a difference of 1 point.

Of course. But all of those things are affected by Villanova's excellent defense. When a 97% FT shooter gets sent to the line late in a tight game against the #1 team in the nation and you emerge with zero points, your already slim margin for error gets even slimmer.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: GGGG on January 28, 2018, 02:54:47 PM
Of course. But all of those things are affected by Villanova's excellent defense. When a 97% FT shooter gets sent to the line late in a tight game against the #1 team in the nation and you emerge with zero points, your already slim margin for error gets even slimmer.


Again, that's not the point.  It's always better to make a foul shot than not make a foul shot. 

But Markus' bad field goal shooting (and bad decision making) was 99% of his "bad" today.  Missing the FT was about 1%.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on January 28, 2018, 02:57:57 PM

Again, that's not the point.  It's always better to make a foul shot than not make a foul shot. 

But Markus' bad field goal shooting (and bad decision making) was 99% of his "bad" today.  Missing the FT was about 1%.

If a $100 bill is lying on the ground, unless you're a millionaire you bend over and pick it up. That was a $100 bill lying on the ground. We did not pick it up.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Jay Bee on January 28, 2018, 02:59:02 PM
If a $100 bill is lying on the ground, unless you're a millionaire you bend over and pick it up. That was a $100 bill lying on the ground. We did not pick it up.

We bent over though, a1na? (nh)
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on January 28, 2018, 03:00:12 PM
We bent over though, a1na? (nh)

Ha I will grant you that!
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: GGGG on January 28, 2018, 03:04:18 PM
If a $100 bill is lying on the ground, unless you're a millionaire you bend over and pick it up. That was a $100 bill lying on the ground. We did not pick it up.


Bad analogy.  FTs aren't as easy as bending down to pick up something.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 28, 2018, 03:05:14 PM
Of course. But all of those things are affected by Villanova's excellent defense. When a 97% FT shooter gets sent to the line late in a tight game against the #1 team in the nation and you emerge with zero points, your already slim margin for error gets even slimmer.

Sure. It's just not the impactful on the final outcome of the game. There are dozens of other things that are much more meaningful.

If a $100 bill is lying on the ground, unless you're a millionaire you bend over and pick it up. That was a $100 bill lying on the ground. We did not pick it up.

But this isn't a $100 bill lying on the ground. It's a free throw. And despite the word free being in the name they are not easy. Statistically, D1 players make between 65% and 70% of their free throws. And no player has ever gone 100% in a season (with a meaningful amount of attempts). Markus is going to miss them occasionally. And while it was big in that moment, overall it is not that big to the final outcome.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: forgetful on January 28, 2018, 03:15:13 PM

Bad analogy.  FTs aren't as easy as bending down to pick up something.

You've clearly never had a lower back injury, or never did a really hard leg-day for the first time in a long time.

#FTsBeEasy
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: skianth16 on January 28, 2018, 03:29:46 PM
Sure. It's just not the impactful on the final outcome of the game. There are dozens of other things that are much more meaningful.

Missing the front end of a 1 and 1 is meaningful. It's a wasted possession. That definitely matters in a close game. It may not be any different than a missed FG, but it's still big. If you missed the front end, you're missing a shot that gives the defense a much higher percentage chance at a rebound than a typical FG, and that is a bad possession. To me, it seems similar to taking a bad shot, and I think most people would agree that matters.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 28, 2018, 03:55:09 PM
Missing the front end of a 1 and 1 is meaningful. It's a wasted possession. That definitely matters in a close game. It may not be any different than a missed FG, but it's still big. If you missed the front end, you're missing a shot that gives the defense a much higher percentage chance at a rebound than a typical FG, and that is a bad possession. To me, it seems similar to taking a bad shot, and I think most people would agree that matters.

It's not the same as a wasted possession. It puts a foul on an opposing player which is valuable. FTs matter in the moment but minimally in the grand scheme of the whole game. It's as simple as that.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Newsdreams on January 28, 2018, 05:55:43 PM
Truth is more than the missed FT Markus played really bad today, fouling too much, making bad decisions by driving against 3 defenders at least 3 times. He was like bad Rowsey today.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: skianth16 on January 28, 2018, 06:11:26 PM
It's not the same as a wasted possession. It puts a foul on an opposing player which is valuable. FTs matter in the moment but minimally in the grand scheme of the whole game. It's as simple as that.

With free throws making up about 25% of Nova's scoring, I just can't see how so many people say they don't matter. Shooting 20+ FTs, the difference between 60% and 90% matters. That's 2-3 possessions.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Floorslapper on January 28, 2018, 08:08:33 PM
The free throws no matta thing is the absolute dumbest and most absurd talking point here.  Period.  End of story.   

Free throw rate matters
Free throw attempts matter
Free throw make percentage matters.

Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: We R Final Four on January 28, 2018, 08:24:39 PM
End of story? Yeah......probably not.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Jay Bee on January 28, 2018, 08:45:10 PM
The free throws no matta thing is the absolute dumbest and most absurd talking point here.  Period.  End of story.   

Free throw rate matters
Free throw attempts matter
Free throw make percentage matters.

Nope. This is false. #FTsNoMatta means team FT% isn’t relevant to winning b-ball Games. You’re simply wrong
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Floorslapper on January 28, 2018, 09:05:11 PM
Nope. This is false. #FTsNoMatta means team FT% isn’t relevant to winning b-ball Games. You’re simply wrong

Just because Team FT% is not one of the Four Factors, does not mean it is irrelevant as it relates to winning basketball games.  You're simply wrong, but feel free to continue on with this inane point.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 28, 2018, 09:16:25 PM
Just because Team FT% is not one of the Four Factors, does not mean it is irrelevant as it relates to winning basketball games.  You're simply wrong, but feel free to continue on with this inane point.

Theatrically it matters some. It's just not statistically significant
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Jay Bee on January 29, 2018, 06:36:35 AM
Just because Team FT% is not one of the Four Factors, does not mean it is irrelevant as it relates to winning basketball games.  You're simply wrong, but feel free to continue on with this inane point.

Run the correlation and the truth will be revealed. You’re wrong. Sad!
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2018, 11:20:13 PM
Just because Team FT% is not one of the Four Factors, does not mean it is irrelevant as it relates to winning basketball games.  You're simply wrong, but feel free to continue on with this inane point.
I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: real chili 83 on January 30, 2018, 05:52:56 AM
Anyone think Marcus could have been injured on Sunday. Many of his misses were off the font of the rim....as he did not have enough lift. 
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: mug644 on January 30, 2018, 06:33:01 AM
Anyone think Marcus could have been injured on Sunday. Many of his misses were off the font of the rim....as he did not have enough lift.

I don't know about injured, but I kept thinking he looked tired with his shots falling short. I suppose it could be a long season catching up with him. Sure hope he bounces back soon.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 30, 2018, 06:54:46 AM
Anyone think Marcus could have been injured on Sunday. Many of his misses were off the font of the rim....as he did not have enough lift.

Well, maybe he is tired from all the shots he is taking....37% shot usage in conference...a star player should be around 29% according to "Scorecasting", which is where Rowsey is.  Sam only at 17%.  He needs to be around 24% and that has to come from Markus. 
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: DUNKS45 on January 30, 2018, 07:18:41 AM
Anyone think Marcus could have been injured on Sunday. Many of his misses were off the font of the rim....as he did not have enough lift.
He looked tired and frustrated to me with his foul trouble, I think he was  trying to do too much. Big game tomorrow.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: Floorslapper on January 30, 2018, 10:25:52 AM
Well, maybe he is tired from all the shots he is taking....37% shot usage in conference...a star player should be around 29% according to "Scorecasting", which is where Rowsey is.  Sam only at 17%.  He needs to be around 24% and that has to come from Markus.

Drop the mic. 

Feel the "ultimate green light," Wojo likes to say Markus has, needs to be dialed back.  His shot selection in Villanova game was absolutely terrible.  Rowsey plays far less hero ball, and that's saying something.  Need your best players taking the most shots, but Markus has gotten a little carried away.  He no longer even looks to pass to a teammate if he drives the lane.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 30, 2018, 01:02:03 PM
Anyone think Marcus could have been injured on Sunday. Many of his misses were off the font of the rim....as he did not have enough lift.

Yes, watching him when he wasn't in the play, or back on defense early, he kept reaching for his lower back. Maybe hurt from one of the times he fell on the floor.
Title: Re: Will Markus ever miss a FT?
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 31, 2018, 10:06:41 AM
Yes, watching him when he wasn't in the play, or back on defense early, he kept reaching for his lower back. Maybe hurt from one of the times he fell on the floor.
Which is interesting from the perspective of the recent discussion that Markus needs to draw more contact when he drives the lane in order to get to the line vs. Wojo's comments earlier in the year about figuring out ways to keep Markus from hitting the floor as frequently.