I feel like Wojo will redshirt him this year, he can block shots and can rebound but does not look like a D1 player.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on November 06, 2017, 02:17:54 PM
I feel like Wojo will redshirt him this year, he can block shots and can rebound but does not look like a D1 player.
He actually looks like a Div I guy, but does not play like one yet... ;)
I'd be surprised if he red shirted this year.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 06, 2017, 02:28:41 PM
I'd be surprised if he red shirted this year.
I think it can go either way just because we won't get Froling for awhile
I think he stays eligible this year and red shirts next year. There will be a need for him, particularly before Froling becomes eligible. Next year, with Joey and Morrow and Bailey, he can sit and learn and get stronger.
Can't Marquette wait until December and red shirt him then? Or does it need to be decided prior to Friday?
Quote from: esotericmindguy on November 06, 2017, 03:09:04 PM
Can't Marquette wait until December and red shirt him then? Or does it need to be decided prior to Friday?
As long as he doesn't play, they can decide to redshirt him at any time. And they can also pull the redshirt at any time.
My guess is that they will wait until Froling is eligible and see where things stand.
You will have your answer Fri. But, as stated above an injury could change things, forcing him into action.
My guess is he would have played vs LU, if the coaches were counting on him this season.
Quote from: 94Warrior on November 06, 2017, 03:15:07 PM
You will have your answer Fri. But, as stated above an injury could change things, forcing him into action.
My guess is he would have played vs LU, if the coaches were counting on him this season.
A player told me a month ago he is redshirting.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on November 06, 2017, 03:09:04 PM
Can't Marquette wait until December and red shirt him then? Or does it need to be decided prior to Friday?
Redshirting is not an act or election, it's a description for someone who does not play a single second.
I think they'd prefer to not play him this year, but if there are injuries or other needs for him to enter a game, he will.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 06, 2017, 03:27:46 PM
Redshirting is not an act or election, it's a description for someone who does not play a single second.
Though one can take action to elect to redshirt.... ;)
They did announce Sacar's last year so that people wouldn't have to ask why he wasn't playing.
At some point I think they will say something but it might not be until Harry is eligible.
Quote from: MuMark on November 06, 2017, 04:19:25 PM
They did announce Sacar's last year so that people wouldn't have to ask why he wasn't playing.
At some point I think they will say something but it might not be until Harry is eligible.
And yet some kept asking: where's Sacar?
Quote from: GooooMarquette on November 06, 2017, 04:52:58 PM
And yet some kept asking: where's Sacar?
Some people are also idiots.
It may be in the best interests of the program for Ike to redshirt. He needs experience and we will have to replace Matt Heldt in two years. There is a benefit of Ike getting some experience this year and red shirting next year. Giving him a few energy minutes each game. Although if the coaching staff elects to red shirt Ike this year I am fine with that also. Justin Patton red shirted his freshman year and had a great second season and got drafted in the first round.
I have watched Ike extensively over time and he continues to make steady upward progress. One of the things that people may not know , is that he has a decent jump shot.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 06, 2017, 06:06:16 PM
It may be in the best interests of the program for Ike to redshirt. He needs experience and we will have to replace Matt Heldt in two years. There is a benefit of Ike getting some experience this year and red shirting next year. Giving him a few energy minutes each game. Although if the coaching staff elects to red shirt Ike this year I am fine with that also. Justin Patton red shirted his freshman year and had a great second season and got drafted in the first round.
I have watched Ike extensively over time and he continues to make steady upward progress. One of the things that people may not know , is that he has a decent jump shot.
Are you the poster who Big Daddy called out for being full of BS?
Quote from: avid1010 on November 06, 2017, 06:19:03 PM
Are you the poster who Big Daddy called out for being full of BS?
He's the one!
Quote from: avid1010 on November 06, 2017, 06:19:03 PM
Are you the poster who Big Daddy called out for being full of BS?
Yes, Including but not limited to.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on November 06, 2017, 06:45:43 PM
He's the one!
He's not the only 1.....this is the post that set BD off.....the Joey part
Quote from: CheesyMUfan4ever on October 17, 2017, 10:40:59 PM
All you haters can eat crow, calling me out the last couple of weeks. I said Trump would win too. I just hope MU kept communication going all along during process. Need to focus on Herro as number one priority now with Grimes as a back up plan. My other fear is Joey decommits now and heads to UW. I had inside info he was kind of waivering on his commitment a couple of weeks ago. I believe in Wojo that he can keep Joey and get Herro inked in the next couple weeks.
Quote from: MuMark on November 06, 2017, 06:58:41 PM
He's not the only 1.....this is the post that set BD off.....the Joey part
Give the man credit, that was a truly stinky pile of BS.
Quote from: 4everCrean on November 06, 2017, 07:06:44 PM
Give the man credit, that was a truly stinky pile of BS.
Well he was right about Wojo being able to keep Joey........but yeah as far as BS goes that post was extra stinky
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 06, 2017, 06:06:16 PM
Although if the coaching staff elects to red shirt Ike this year I am fine with that also.
Wojo, Stan and the other coaches sure are relieved to hear you say that.
I mean, just the other day, Wojo told me: "If there's one person on God's green earth that we'd hate to get angry, it's the Scoop poster pretending to be the 9-9-9 dude."
I honestly think Heldt might be the most important on the team just because we will need him to get a majority of the rebounds until froling becomes eligible
Quote from: Marquette4life on November 06, 2017, 05:55:27 PM
who
So if I say Haniff or Matt, does it matter, it was a player, for sure.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on November 06, 2017, 10:31:46 PM
I honestly think Heldt might be the most important on the team just because we will need him to get a majority of the rebounds until froling becomes eligible
Most important on the team? No.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on November 06, 2017, 10:31:46 PM
I honestly think Heldt might be the most important on the team just because we will need him to get a majority of the rebounds until froling becomes eligible
If we can get 25 quality minutes from Matt it is going to make a huge difference. He has to hustle and work hard on defense and rebounding and setting picks etc. If he can get a few junk baskets it will be gravy
Quote from: DCHoopster on November 06, 2017, 10:50:19 PM
So if I say Haniff or Matt, does it matter, it was a player, for sure.
Ok so new or returning player
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on November 06, 2017, 10:31:46 PM
I honestly think Heldt might be the most important on the team just because we will need him to get a majority of the rebounds until froling becomes eligible
Theo John?
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 07, 2017, 11:54:29 AM
Ok so new or returning player
Returning player, if he does not play Friday you will know his plans.
Quote from: 4everCrean on November 08, 2017, 09:42:04 AM
Theo John?
I was hoping to see some more run from him and Cain against Lindenwood. It's not encouraging to see us effectively 6 (7 when Rowsey returns) deep. Quality minutes from TJ will be very important.
Quote from: jficke13 on November 08, 2017, 10:04:06 AM
I was hoping to see some more run from him and Cain against Lindenwood. It's not encouraging to see us effectively 6 (7 when Rowsey returns) deep. Quality minutes from TJ will be very important.
Theo played a TON against UWM. Remember the ankle.
Quote from: DCHoopster on November 08, 2017, 09:50:40 AM
Returning player, if he does not play Friday you will know his plans.
Wait, you're saying one of Markus, Sam, Haanif, or Matt told you they are red-shirting? That is mind boggling with our lack of depth this year.
Quote from: jsglow on November 08, 2017, 10:06:15 AM
Remember the ankle.
I think you have just coined the catchphrase for this season.
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on November 08, 2017, 10:13:30 AM
Wait, you're saying one of Markus, Sam, Haanif, or Matt told you they are red-shirting? That is mind boggling with our lack of depth this year.
Not really. Would you rather have an Mbao out there for a couple of minutes every once in a blue moon or just have him hit the weights and become better at the game
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on November 08, 2017, 10:13:30 AM
Wait, you're saying one of Markus, Sam, Haanif, or Matt told you they are red-shirting? That is mind boggling with our lack of depth this year.
No, one of Rowsey, Howard, Heldt, Cheatham, Anim, Hauser, or Froling told Hoopster that Eke plans to redshirt.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on November 08, 2017, 10:16:22 AM
Not really. Would you rather have an Mbao out there for a couple of minutes every once in a blue moon or just have him hit the weights and become better at the game
I would rather have him play now so he doesn't take up a scholarship for an extra year.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on November 08, 2017, 10:43:05 AM
I would rather have him play now so he doesn't take up a scholarship for an extra year.
Way to abandon the young man before you've ever seen him play one second of basketball in person.
If Eke redshirts and doesn't develop he can always grad transfer to a lower level or get a track scholarship from MU.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on November 08, 2017, 11:07:46 AM
If Eke redshirts and doesn't develop he can always grad transfer to a lower level or get a track scholarship from MU.
It's soccer for Ike, dude.
Quote from: jsglow on November 08, 2017, 11:00:22 AM
Way to abandon the young man before you've ever seen him play one second of basketball in person.
I saw Mbao play live and in-person. Who do you think I'm talking about?
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on November 08, 2017, 11:45:24 AM
So you witnessed true greatness
He was long and lean on top of the 1-3-1 zone. And that's all I can say about that.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on November 08, 2017, 11:51:36 AM
He was long and lean on top of the 1-3-1 zone. And that's all I can say about that.
Yes, and he played in only 10 games for 60 minutes.
Quote from: jsglow on November 08, 2017, 10:06:15 AM
Theo played a TON against UWM. Remember the ankle.
Yup. I totally forgot the ankle. Never forget the ankle.
Quote from: jficke13 on November 08, 2017, 10:04:06 AM
I was hoping to see some more run from him and Cain against Lindenwood. It's not encouraging to see us effectively 6 (7 when Rowsey returns) deep. Quality minutes from TJ will be very important.
Played on a bad ankle
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on November 08, 2017, 11:44:20 AM
I saw Mbao play live and in-person. Who do you think I'm talking about?
My mistake. Thought you were talking about Ike.
BTW, Ike is a real ballplayer. Ways to go but a real ballplayer.
I saw Mbao too. Not.
IWB just tweeted:
Jim Ganzer @theIWB 5m5 minutes ago
MU to red shirt Ike Eke #mubb
So I guess that settles that.
Edit: Sorry, double post.
Quote from: jficke13 on November 08, 2017, 02:01:32 PM
IWB just tweeted:
Jim Ganzer @theIWB 5m5 minutes ago
MU to red shirt Ike Eke #mubb
So I guess that settles that.
#donedeal. Like it.
Lets hope we stay healthy. I guess you can always burn it.
Quote from: jficke13 on November 08, 2017, 02:01:32 PM
IWB just tweeted:
Jim Ganzer @theIWB 5m5 minutes ago
MU to red shirt Ike Eke #mubb
So I guess that settles that.
Good news. He can battle every day in practice against the rest of the bigs , workout hard and be a force next year.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 08, 2017, 02:52:02 PM
Good news. He can battle every day in practice against the rest of the bigs , workout hard and be a force next year.
And for this year, at least, we don't need to listen to you constantly complaining about his playing time :)
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 08, 2017, 02:52:02 PM
Good news. He can battle every day in practice against the rest of the bigs , workout hard and be a force next year.
Who would he play over next year? Don't see him over Joey, Bailey, Morrow, John, Frolling or Heldt. He's likely not olaying till his third year after Frolling and Heldt are gone and even then won't crack real minutes till after Morrow is gone
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on November 08, 2017, 02:59:15 PM
Who would he play over next year? Don't see him over Joey, Bailey, Morrow, John, Frolling or Heldt. He's likely not olaying till his third year after Frolling and Heldt are gone and even then won't crack real minutes till after Morrow is gone
Ike is going to be like Justin Patton or Ethan Happ. Sits out the first year and works on his game. He already has a good body, by the time next year rolls around he could be huge with all the weight work he can put in.
According to Mr. Dodds, the coaches have said he works his tail off and always has a good practice. That is a very good sign for our future.
Also I continue to believe there is a non zero probability that, given his past discussions, Froling goes pro in Australia after this season. In which case this redshirt of Ike would be even more valuable.
I have no doubt that Ike will work hard and improve his game. I'll go ahead and say that Ike Eke will not be one of the best players in the entire country before the end of the 2019-2020 season.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 08, 2017, 03:27:27 PM
I have no doubt that Ike will work hard and improve his game. I'll go ahead and say that Ike Eke will not be one of the best players in the entire country before the end of the 2019-2020 season.
Scene: A Lawrence, KS dorm room. Sportscenter is on and Jonathan Givony is raving about Top 5 pick Ike Eke
Quentin Grimes: Hey guys, I met Ike Eke once, he's a cool dude. Great body and really good soccer player.
Perry Ellis: Q, we know you tell us all the time. Now stop talking I have to finish my dissertation.
It's official. Ike redshirt.
I'm going out on a limb and guessing Eke will be neither Big East Freshman of the Year or a First Round NBA pick after his freshman season.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on November 08, 2017, 10:41:50 AM
No, one of Rowsey, Howard, Heldt, Cheatham, Anim, Hauser, or Froling told Hoopster that Eke plans to redshirt.
Guess my player source was right. This is the best situation for this kid. I really think it has helped Sacar as he would have gotten no PT time last year, now he has
3 years of playing time. His game will just get better. Wisconsin has done this for years, the players that redshirted did improve and it works. You only redshirt a kid
if you feel he has the potential to be good. Ike has the body, foot work to improve. With Morrow out as well, those 2 can go at each other everyday, should help both.
Plus with 2 incoming frosh, and one being 21 already, it levels out the classes. If Bailey is any good, he will never stay 4 years.
Quote from: jsglow on November 08, 2017, 04:15:58 PM
It's official. Ike redshirt.
Well, not official. The plan/desire has been to redshirt him.
We may be down to 7 available scholarship players on Friday. The two injured guys are guards. Had they been C/F, might be a different conversation.. and always could go that way. I think it would take a lot to play him, but let's say player A and B (bigs.. not saying names because I don't want to jinx anyone) go down in game 1 and are going to be out for many weeks... you might need to play Eke.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 08, 2017, 07:07:04 PM
Well, not official. The plan/desire has been to redshirt him.
We may be down to 7 available scholarship players on Friday. The two injured guys are guards. Had they been C/F, might be a different conversation.. and always could go that way. I think it would take a lot to play him, but let's say player A and B (bigs.. not saying names because I don't want to jinx anyone) go down in game 1 and are going to be out for many weeks... you might need to play Eke.
Let me restate. Wojo publicly announced. Things could always change. I just choose fewer words and was less precise. ;D
Great news. I've wanted MU to use the redshirts for a long time now. We finally have enough depth that we have been able to the last two years. Burning Cadougan's redshirt was so short-sighted.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 08, 2017, 04:43:38 PM
I'm going out on a limb and guessing Eke will be neither Big East Freshman of the Year or a First Round NBA pick after his freshman season.
Bold.
Quote from: DCHoopster on November 08, 2017, 05:00:58 PM
If Bailey is any good, he will never stay 4 years.
Only players that aren't any good stay 4 years?
Quote from: wadesworld on November 08, 2017, 03:27:27 PM
I have no doubt that Ike will work hard and improve his game. I'll go ahead and say that Ike Eke will not be one of the best players in the entire country before the end of the 2019-2020 season.
Now this is a very bold prediction
So it's MSM game night. Here early, was space cadet and thought it was 7 tip.
Anyway, Ike was in uniform and early warm ups/practicing with team. John Heldt and him doing post drills.
I am ignorant of red shirt procedure but is that typical. I though Sacar was generally in street clothes last year but could be remembering wrong.
Anyway, here we go...,.
Quote from: MUBigDance on November 10, 2017, 07:31:32 PM
So it's MSM game night. Here early, was space cadet and thought it was 7 tip.
Anyway, Ike was in uniform and early warm ups/practicing with team. John Heldt and him doing post drills.
I am ignorant of red shirt procedure but is that typical. I though Sacar was generally in street clothes last year but could be remembering wrong.
Anyway, here we go...,.
Yes, its usual. He'll probably be in street clothes for the game. He's allowed to do shoot arounds.
He's also allowed to sit on the bench in a uniform and warm up with the team before both halves. As long as he doesn't enter the game at any point, he still retains the ability to redshirt.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on November 10, 2017, 07:36:27 PM
He's also allowed to sit on the bench in a uniform and warm up with the team before both halves. As long as he doesn't enter the game at any point, he still retains the ability to redshirt.
That makes sense. I would think actual playing time is what NCAA cares about.
Quote from: jficke13 on November 08, 2017, 02:01:32 PM
IWB just tweeted:
Jim Ganzer @theIWB 5m5 minutes ago
MU to red shirt Ike Eke #mubb
So I guess that settles that.
Whats his batting average? I will belive this when i see it from mubb
#donedeal
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 10, 2017, 08:42:35 PM
Whats his batting average? I will belive this when i see it from mubb
#donedeal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC4xyn0YHmk
In the first minute.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 08, 2017, 03:22:41 PM
Ike is going to be like Justin Patton or Ethan Happ.
The only commonalities between these three, is that they all took a red shirt.
Nothing more than that, at least at this point.
Quote from: WE R FINAL FOUR on November 10, 2017, 10:35:40 PM
The only commonalities between these three, is that they all took a red shirt.
Nothing more than that, at least at this point.
Well, they are all pretty tall.
Quote from: WE R FINAL FOUR on November 10, 2017, 10:35:40 PM
The only commonalities between these three, is that they all took a red shirt.
Nothing more than that, at least at this point.
Comments when Justin Patton red shirted
http://www.omaha.com/creighton/creighton-freshman-justin-patton-will-redshirt/article_b3357e16-89b7-11e5-92db-3b8d65213260.html
Comments when Ethan Happ redshirted
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/story/redshirt-freshman-ethan-happ-improving-self-wisconsin-badgers-behind-the-scenes-020915%3famp=true
The situations are very similar. The players showed flashes of promise but needed time to hone their skills.
The problem with Ike redshirting compared to the other 2, is the other 2 had a spot open to start right away. I see Ike has the 13th man next year. If he really improves that much, MU should be really strong next year, they can come in groves, best team they will have in Wojo's tenure and still young the year after that.
I am not worried about having too many big players. It always works out. Froling gets homesick, somebody injures a knee, we win a national championship and everybody turns pro. Transfers. (BTW, wouldn't it be nice to have Duane as a safety net right now?) Right now we have nine scholarship players. Minutes take care of themselves.
Quote from: tower912 on November 11, 2017, 11:02:12 AM
I am not worried about having too many big players. It always works out. Froling gets homesick, somebody injures a knee, we win a national championship and everybody turns pro. Transfers. (BTW, wouldn't it be nice to have Duane as a safety net right now?) Right now we have nine scholarship players. Minutes take care of themselves.
+1
Quote from: tower912 on November 11, 2017, 11:02:12 AM
I am not worried about having too many big players. It always works out. Froling gets homesick, somebody injures a knee, we win a national championship and everybody turns pro. Transfers. (BTW, wouldn't it be nice to have Duane as a safety net right now?) Right now we have nine scholarship players. Minutes take care of themselves.
I watched the TAMU / WV game. Duane got some decent run, and looked like Duane. 2/8 shooting. It wouldn't suck to have him, but he wouldn't move the needle all that much. I would've much preferred to have Mike Lewis or Mikey Dixon sitting out this year and ready to take over the PG role next year.
Rowsey, howard, sacar, haanif n elliot all better than duane. Good kid , great ambassador , bad basketball player
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 11, 2017, 11:24:20 AM
Rowsey, howard, sacar, haanif n elliot all better than duane. Good kid , great ambassador , bad basketball player
You really don't know all that much about basketball.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 11, 2017, 10:44:08 AM
Comments when Justin Patton red shirted
http://www.omaha.com/creighton/creighton-freshman-justin-patton-will-redshirt/article_b3357e16-89b7-11e5-92db-3b8d65213260.html
Comments when Ethan Happ redshirted
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/story/redshirt-freshman-ethan-happ-improving-self-wisconsin-badgers-behind-the-scenes-020915%3famp=true
The situations are very similar. The players showed flashes of promise but needed time to hone their skills.
You said that Ike is going to be like Patton or Happ. If Ike turns pro and gets drafted, or becomes a candidate for conference POY be sure to let me know.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 11, 2017, 11:24:20 AM
Rowsey, howard, sacar, haanif n elliot all better than duane. Good kid , great ambassador , bad basketball player
Maybe not Sacar and Elliott, jury's still out on them. But Duane was very clearly the worst player on the team last season (after Sandy left). I don't think it was his fault though. Injuries destroyed his legs. Rowsey/Howard/Haanif are already better and I think Sacar/Elliott will be better by the time they are upperclassmen.
Quote from: WE R FINAL FOUR on November 11, 2017, 12:15:21 PM
You said that Ike is going to be like Patton or Happ. If Ike turns pro and gets drafted, or becomes a candidate for conference POY be sure to let me know.
Will do.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 11, 2017, 01:49:13 PM
Will do.
If you lie about a recruits visit and get called out by big daddy as being full of B.S. let me know.
Quote from: DCHoopster on November 08, 2017, 05:00:58 PM
Guess my player source was right. This is the best situation for this kid. I really think it has helped Sacar as he would have gotten no PT time last year, now he has
3 years of playing time. His game will just get better. Wisconsin has done this for years, the players that redshirted did improve and it works. You only redshirt a kid
if you feel he has the potential to be good. Ike has the body, foot work to improve. With Morrow out as well, those 2 can go at each other everyday, should help both.
Plus with 2 incoming frosh, and one being 21 already, it levels out the classes. If Bailey is any good, he will never stay 4 years.
Redshirts don't have to only practice against other redshirts, they practice with the rest of the team.