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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Eldon on September 27, 2017, 09:06:12 PM
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Officially a cavalier.
https://sports.yahoo.com/dwyane-wade-makes-official-headed-214528632.html
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I fear there is not much left in the tank. This is clearly loading up for one last shot at GS. Will Wade be able to guard anyone in June. I understand what Cleveland is trying to do, but I don't see that this tips the balance.
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This team is going to be a pain in the a$$ during the 2011 playoffs.
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This team is going to be a pain in the a$$ during the 2011 playoffs.
It'll be interesting to see how much Dwayne plays. It's all about one last year in the league spending it with his best friend. There was nothing left for him in Chicago.
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If Cleveland signed a player named Abba Cabba who got 18, 4, 4 last year on 43% shooting, people would be praising their ability to stack another option for when they play Golden State in the Finals. We'd be excited, rather then bored, to anticipate a fourth straight matchup next June.
But that player is Wade and people shrug about the addition. Strange.
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If Cleveland signed a player named Abba Cabba who got 18, 4, 4 last year on 43% shooting, people would be praising their ability to stack another option for when they play Golden State in the Finals. We'd be excited, rather then bored, to anticipate a fourth straight matchup next June.
But that player is Wade and people shrug about the addition. Strange.
If Abba Cabba's body had started to break down at the age of 30 and he was 36 years old now, I'm not sure how exciting it is with a poor 43% shooting/45% eFG%. Playing in 59 games isn't overly exciting.
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If Abba Cabba's body had started to break down at the age of 30 and he was 36 years old now, I'm not sure how exciting it is with a poor 43% shooting/45% eFG%. Playing in 59 games isn't overly exciting.
They don't need Wade for 59 games or even 40 games. If he is healthy going into the playoffs, he will help the Cavs. Will it be enough to get them into the Finals again? Quite possible. Will it be enough to help them beat the Warriors? Almost surely not. There was not a single player they could realistically acquire who would be able to do that.
Wade at less than $3M is the ultimate low-risk, maybe-big-reward play.
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IMO, the most important aspect of Wade on the Cavs is the locker room chemistry that he brings, since he is personal friends with LeBron.
I have read stuff that said players don't play with LeBron, they play for him. LeBron seems to have had trouble respecting coaches. I think he respects Wade, as does the rest of the team. And I think Wade can serve as a type of unofficial coach.
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Wade is capable of 20/5/5 for a 20 game stretch when it matters.
That's all they need.
The first 60+ games are a warm up.
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They don't need Wade for 59 games or even 40 games. If he is healthy going into the playoffs, he will help the Cavs. Will it be enough to get them into the Finals again? Quite possible. Will it be enough to help them beat the Warriors? Almost surely not. There was not a single player they could realistically acquire who would be able to do that.
Wade at less than $3M is the ultimate low-risk, maybe-big-reward play.
I don't think Wade makes any difference on the court for the Cavs, which is why I don't think people are excited about the signing whether his name is Dwyane Wade or Abba Cabba. The Cavs were going to lose in the Finals to the Warriors for the 2nd straight year regardless of whether Dwyane Wade had that roster spot or I had that roster spot.
IMO, the most important aspect of Wade on the Cavs is the locker room chemistry that he brings, since he is personal friends with LeBron.
I have read stuff that said players don't play with LeBron, they play for him. LeBron seems to have had trouble respecting coaches. I think he respects Wade, as does the rest of the team. And I think Wade can serve as a type of unofficial coach.
I don't think a lot of guys who have played with Wade are his biggest fan anymore.
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I’ll be rooting for the Cavs. That would make for one hell of a story
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Cavs have two MU guys on the team so by default they are tied with Detroit for the team I care most about in the NBA.
Wade will be an important factor comes the playoffs. Also I believe the league has done some things with the schedule to eliminate many of the back to back games so Wade may play more than expected during the regular season.
Wade has a very high basketball IQ and has chemistry with Lebron therefore as long as he is healthy he will make a major contribution.
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Cavs have two MU guys on the team so by default they are tied with Detroit for the team I care most about in the NBA.
Wade will be an important factor comes the playoffs. Also I believe the league has done some things with the schedule to eliminate many of the back to back games so Wade may play more than expected during the regular season.
Wade has a very high basketball IQ and has chemistry with Lebron therefore as long as he is healthy he will make a major contribution.
Is assistant coach not part of the team? That’s low bro
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I fear there is not much left in the tank. This is clearly loading up for one last shot at GS. Will Wade be able to guard anyone in June. I understand what Cleveland is trying to do, but I don't see that this tips the balance.
D Wade's still got it. Not like he used to of course, but he's still a star.
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The Cavs won't be able to rest Wade when healthy with today's new rules (at least in road games).
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Are some of you guys serious? You don't think DWade will have an (major) impact with the Cavs? Many people who have seen him this summer, say that he's in great shape. A healthy (as healthy as a 35 yr old with the mileage he has) and motivated DWade, on a team where he doesn't have to be the focal point of the offense, is a huge addition for the Cavs. His supreme bball IQ will help overcome any physical shortcomings.
As a few posted, they don't need Wade to go all out for 82 games. They'll lean on him for his playoff experience, defense, and leadership (both on and off the court).
Never was a Cavs fan, but with two of MU's grittiest ballers on the roster, I have no choice but to pull for CLE.
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IMO, the most important aspect of Wade on the Cavs is the locker room chemistry that he brings, since he is personal friends with LeBron.
I have read stuff that said players don't play with LeBron, they play for him. LeBron seems to have had trouble respecting coaches. I think he respects Wade, as does the rest of the team. And I think Wade can serve as a type of unofficial coach.
Which is interesting because the reports out of Chicago were that Wade did very little to help develop younger players (outside of Jimmy) and the team had some bad chemistry issues. Now granted much of the problem is the team that Gar-Pax assembled, and lack of respect for the coach.
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Are some of you guys serious? You don't think DWade will have an (major) impact with the Cavs? Many people who have seen him this summer, say that he's in great shape. A healthy (as healthy as a 35 yr old with the mileage he has) and motivated DWade, on a team where he doesn't have to be the focal point of the offense, is a huge addition for the Cavs. His supreme bball IQ will help overcome any physical shortcomings.
As a few posted, they don't need Wade to go all out for 82 games. They'll lean on him for his playoff experience, defense, and leadership (both on and off the court).
Never was a Cavs fan, but with two of MU's grittiest ballers on the roster, I have no choice but to pull for CLE.
I don't think people think he won't have a major impact, it's just that fair or not, the bar for any team with James on it is whether or not they can win the national championship. And the reality is that barring injuries, no one is beating Golden State in a best of 7 series.
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I don't think people think he won't have a major impact, it's just that fair or not, the bar for any team with James on it is whether or not they can win the national championship. And the reality is that barring injuries, no one is beating Golden State in a best of 7 series.
Toronto might want to have that name changed to NBA championship
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What's that country song ... I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was? Something like that. Anyways, a lot of over analysis here. If Wade can help tip the scales from a loss to a victory in a single Finals game, it will be a great move for the Cavs. What does it matter - at all - what his regular season contribution is? The NBA Playoffs are an entirely different animal.
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D Wade's main gig is going to be ordering the right Barolo if LeBron is in the restroom. CLE has continued to surround LBJ with old, aging vets. That might make for fun team dinners but until they get an athletic wing who can check, they're toast when it counts.
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I don't think people think he won't have a major impact, it's just that fair or not, the bar for any team with James on it is whether or not they can win the national championship. And the reality is that barring injuries, no one is beating Golden State in a best of 7 series.
As a Cavs fan, I agree with this analysis.
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D Wade's main gig is going to be ordering the right Barolo if LeBron is in the restroom. CLE has continued to surround LBJ with old, aging vets. That might make for fun team dinners but until they get an athletic wing who can check, they're toast when it counts.
I thought that was Crowder. If, and I mean IF Cleveland can get to the finals with Rose and Wade healthy and relatively rested, they may be able to flip a game. But neither plays much defense and GS is going to run circles around them. Now IF they are healthy, rested, and playing to their career best on defense too, they could tip the scales. But that is an awful lot of miles and injuries to count on in June.
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Wade will be what Ray Allen was for the Heat.
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Wade will be what Ray Allen was for the Heat.
Not sure if it's wise to use Wade as a corner 3 pt shooter.
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Which is interesting because the reports out of Chicago were that Wade did very little to help develop younger players (outside of Jimmy) and the team had some bad chemistry issues. Now granted much of the problem is the team that Gar-Pax assembled, and lack of respect for the coach.
By 'coach' I meant on-the-court coach, or game-time coach. I didn't mean to suggest that Wade would sit down and serve as a mentor to the young Cavs, e.g., diligently going over film with them, etc. I meant something like the following:
Without Wade:
-Lue: Bron, how about you sit for a while, take a rest for a few minutes
-Bron: No way. I'm staying in. The team needs me.
With Wade:
-Lue: Bron, how about you sit for a while, take a rest for a few minutes
-Bron: No way. I'm staying in. The team needs me.
-Wade: Bron, come on man. We need to save your stamina for the fourth quarter. You look fatigued on that fast break.
-Bron: Alright man, you got it.
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The point that the Cavs won't beat GS with Wade, just as they wouldn't have beaten GS without him is fair.
But so what? Is that a reason the Cavs shouldn't have thrown couch-cushion money at a Hall of Famer who very well COULD help them get to the Finals again?
Wade was a no-brainer signing, and a darn good one. I don't see how anybody sane could argue otherwise.
And like a few others have said, the Cavs - featuring two of my favorite Warriors ever - are now easily my favorite NBA team.
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I just don't agree that he is a "darn good" signing. Could it pay off? I guess. But the guy is going to be 36 years old with the body of a 72 year old. By all accounts almost everyone in Chicago's locker room couldn't stand the guy last season. Ultimately all that really matters is it helps to keep LeBron happy, which is the only reason for the Cavs to sign him. But while his 18 points per game last season look pretty nice, the 16 shots per game it took him to get there is horrendous. His eFG% was 45.7%. That is brutal. If you look at the Cavs roster, the only players that had a worse eFG% last year were Jordan McCrae, DeAndre Liggins, Kay Felder, Birdman, Dahntay Jones, and (yes!) Larry Sanders.
The Cavs needed athletic wing defenders and shooters. Wade isn't really either. I loved Wade, but I don't see what he does for the Cavs other than take shots away from LeBron, which I'm not sure you want to do.
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The point that the Cavs won't beat GS with Wade, just as they wouldn't have beaten GS without him is fair.
But so what? Is that a reason the Cavs shouldn't have thrown couch-cushion money at a Hall of Famer who very well COULD help them get to the Finals again?
The former should read the Cavs likely won't beat Golden State. Maybe GSW loses Green to suspension and both Curry and Durant are injured. Maybe another West team takes them out on a fluke.
The odds are Golden State wins it all, but if the Cavs get there, they at least have a chance. And if they have Wade, I would say they have a better chance than the average NBA end-of-the-bench guy. Good signing, and hoping it works out well for them.
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The former should read the Cavs likely won't beat Golden State. Maybe GSW loses Green to suspension and both Curry and Durant are injured. Maybe another West team takes them out on a fluke.
The odds are Golden State wins it all, but if the Cavs get there, they at least have a chance. And if they have Wade, I would say they have a better chance than the average NBA end-of-the-bench guy. Good signing, and hoping it works out well for them.
I agree with this. Likely would have been a good word for me to add.
Wadesworld thinks Wade was a terrible signee, I guess because of all the superstars ready, willing and available to sign for less than $3M. For example, the Hornets gave almost the exact same contract to Michael Carter-Williams; he'd have been a great get for LeBron.
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I agree with this. Likely would have been a good word for me to add.
Wadesworld thinks Wade was a terrible signee, I guess because of all the superstars ready, willing and available to sign for less than $3M. For example, the Hornets gave almost the exact same contract to Michael Carter-Williams; he'd have been a great get for LeBron.
I think MCW is a horrible get for anyone. Guess we disagree there too.
How’d the Wade signing work out for the Bulls?
The money isn’t the issue. The Cavs obviously haven’t been afraid to take a giant hit in the luxury tax. They’ve had the highest salary in NBA history. The issue is Wade is horribly inefficient without being willing to give up his shots. Maybe he’ll swallow the pill that he’s no longer the guy who could carry a team to a title. But as much as I’ve always loved Wade and grew up idolizing him, his ego certainly isn’t small...
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How’d the Wade signing work out for the Bulls?
Come on, that's not a fair comparison. The Bulls were going to be a terrible team with one good player before adding two aging stars that were never going to get them over the hump. Awful management, mediocre coaching, that wasn't Wade's fault. It was dysfunction from the word go.
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Come on, that's not a fair comparison. The Bulls were going to be a terrible team with one good player before adding two aging stars that were never going to get them over the hump. Awful management, mediocre coaching, that wasn't Wade's fault. It was dysfunction from the word go.
Fair enough. I, for one, was thrilled that the Bulls gave Wade that offer so the Bucks couldn’t possibly land him.
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This article sums it up best
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/9/26/16371042/dwyane-wade-cavaliers-lebron-james
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Come on, that's not a fair comparison. The Bulls were going to be a terrible team with one good player before adding two aging stars that were never going to get them over the hump. Awful management, mediocre coaching, that wasn't Wade's fault. It was dysfunction from the word go.
Mediocre is very, very complimentary.
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Mediocre is very, very complimentary.
I'd tend to agree, but until he actually has a competent roster that fits his style, I don't want to be too harsh.
But yeah, that organization is pretty much a cluster<bleep> that should've thrown in the towel to tank a year ago.
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I think MCW is a horrible get for anyone. Guess we disagree there too.
Actually we agree. I was being facetious. Guess I should have put "great" in italics or quotes.
How’d the Wade signing work out for the Bulls?
Silly comparison, which you acknowledge later after brew challenged it.
The money isn’t the issue. The Cavs obviously haven’t been afraid to take a giant hit in the luxury tax. They’ve had the highest salary in NBA history. The issue is Wade is horribly inefficient without being willing to give up his shots. Maybe he’ll swallow the pill that he’s no longer the guy who could carry a team to a title. But as much as I’ve always loved Wade and grew up idolizing him, his ego certainly isn’t small...
On this, we'll see. I think Wade will accept a smaller role, but maybe not. I did get the money they're paying Wade wrong - it's actually $2.3M - 20% less than I had said. Again, it's a no-brainer. There wasn't anybody available at anywhere near that price who could have helped them, and at the very least Wade will be LeBron's shrink.