There are a lot of rumors and speculation about Coach Crean stepping in as interim coach at Louisville. I would be delighted if he got the job. I always want to see our alumni do well, as I believe it is positive for the program to be associated with successful individuals.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/louisville-expert-says-tom-crean-a-serious-candidate-to-replace-rick-pitino/
Louisville fans are excited about the move.....
https://mobile.twitter.com/jdemling/status/913175088391966720
I'd bee delighted if Crean contracted a severe case of terminal head lice, hey?
It doesn't make sense for TC right now. Taking the job affects the buyout. Also, why take over now when there is going to be nothing but chaos this season? The job will probably be available in the spring after a season with an interim coach. Obviously, he COULD do it. I just don't think it is the best move for him right now.
Quote from: MuMark on September 27, 2017, 08:21:52 PM
Louisville fans are excited about the move.....
https://mobile.twitter.com/jdemling/status/913175088391966720
Of course they're not going to be excited about it. But what other choice do they have? Maybe Matta, but no good candidate is going to leave their job now.
We will find out in 48 hours or so what options they have.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on September 27, 2017, 08:30:12 PM
Of course they're not going to be excited about it. But what other choice do they have? Maybe Matta, but no good candidate is going to leave their job now.
That's how I look at it. I get why they're not thrilled, but the season is right around the corner and they need someone with high-major experience. At least he'd keep the program on the rails.
I don't have the article or the interview, but I recall Crean saying - in his next job opportunity - that he would like to stay in the Midwest, with a prestigious basketball-first program, and a program that can compete for a national championship.
Obviously, jobs like aren't exactly flowing with availability - but Louisville certainly matches those criteria. The only thing that he needs to think about is - to what extent - these penalties will have on the long-term competitiveness on the Louisville job. If its another IU situation, one that next several years to rebuild, I would guess that he would pass.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on September 27, 2017, 08:52:42 PM
I don't have the article or the interview, but I recall Crean saying - in his next job opportunity - that he would like to stay in the Midwest, with a prestigious basketball-first program, and a program that can compete for a national championship.
Obviously, jobs like aren't exactly flowing with availability - but Louisville certainly matches those criteria. The only thing that he needs to think about is - to what extent - these penalties will have on the long-term competitiveness on the Louisville job. If its another IU situation, one that next several years to rebuild, I would guess that he would pass.
If they hire him it would only be on an interim basis so the long term stuff won't really matter for him. They aren't going to make a commitment to him without trying for a big name next summer.
Quote from: MuMark on September 27, 2017, 08:56:41 PM
If they hire him it would only be on an interim basis so the long term stuff won't really matter for him. They aren't going to make a commitment to him without trying for a big name next summer.
Yep - that's what I figure. If he somehow pulls off a miracle, maybe they keep him...but in all likelihood they would upfront with him about it being short-term.
As for his buyout, I can see some of these Type A+++++ coaching types wanting to be in the spotlight so badly that they'd forego buyout money in favor of a big check and big spotlight at UL.
Larry Brown seems like their type for interim, then Crean
Quote from: Disco Hippie on September 27, 2017, 09:23:18 PM
Larry Brown seems like their type for interim, then Crean
Ah idk, would seem unlikely to me given the need to clean the program up, I think everyone and their momma knows Brown is dirty
Quote from: Smokin' Q on September 27, 2017, 09:29:48 PM
Ah idk, would seem unlikely to me given the need to clean the program up, I think everyone and their momma knows Brown is dirty
Though not a huge Crean fan, I'll at least acknowledge that he has the credentials to not be hired as an interim coach, who are normally guys who need to prove their chops, but are taken on during the 'non-hiring' season.
If Crean goes to Louisville, it will be with the full title of Head Coach and a real contract, even at this awkward time.
But I don't see that happening, not with so much uncertainty around the program right now and this season.
My guess is Louisville gets the death penalty. Why coach their one year? They will most likely self impose a tourney ban this year, as well. Seems like a dead end situation to me
Quote from: Disco Hippie on September 27, 2017, 09:23:18 PM
Larry Brown seems like their type for interim, then Crean
Brown would make sense to me. He'd be one of a handful of people willing to take on the 1-year opportunity.
If they want the squeaky clean hire. John Thompson III.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on September 27, 2017, 08:30:12 PM
Of course they're not going to be excited about it. But what other choice do they have? Maybe Matta, but no good candidate is going to leave their job now.
I think you are right. Mack would be the obvious choice, but why leave a good job for the insecurity that now surrounds UL?
Has to be a guy who needs a job.
Mack would be out of his mind to take this job- more likely a scoop poster gets the gig.
That 1980 Louisville team is what first made me fall in love with basketball.
Scott Davenport of Bellarmine is strongly in the mix...
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/913251604098437120
Quote from: Jockey on September 27, 2017, 11:45:06 PM
I think you are right. Mack would be the obvious choice, but why leave a good job for the insecurity that now surrounds UL?
Has to be a guy who needs a job.
Mack would be the obvious choice if Pitino were retiring. Under these circumstances - no way.
Quote from: CreanLover on September 28, 2017, 05:07:04 AM
That 1980 Louisville team is what first made me fall in love with basketball.
Slow clap
Quote from: Quentin's Tap on September 28, 2017, 07:20:47 AM
Mack would be the obvious choice if Pitino were retiring. Under these circumstances - no way.
Agreed.
Why is Mack the "obvious" choice for Louisville?
LV would be smart to hire an interim and see how everything gets settled while conducting a thorough search. Then, if they don't get the death penalty, they can hire their new coach as soon as their season ends (which almost surely will be without an NCAA tourney bid), beating the firing-and-hiring frenzy that takes place every year. If they don't get the death penalty or too bad a postseason ban, LV is still a marquee job.
Meanwhile, proven coaches who might be interested in this marquee job would be smart to wait to see where all the chips fall.
All IMHO, of course.
As for Larry Brown, I first thought maybe it was meant to be in teal. It was, right?
Hire Darrell Griffith! It doesn't matter if he can coach, Dr. Dunkenstein will bring a bit of nostalgia and good feelings back to the program. He's already employed at the university! It's a slam dunk hire. (Horrible pun intended)
(http://www.jeffkoons.com/sites/default/files/styles/380x_height/public/artwork-images/eq11_sm.jpg?itok=xXewAefi)
since one of the assistants at Louisville was Crean's asst. at IN I suspect Louisville won't go after Crean, just too close even if that assistant is not involved in the current mess
IMO you would have to be an idiot to take the UL job at this point. This is a toxic situation and things probably get worse before better.
Quote from: Goose on September 28, 2017, 09:58:48 AM
IMO you would have to be an idiot to take the UL job at this point. This is a toxic situation and things probably get worse before better.
For the few million they're going to pay, I'll take the title of idiot.
Quote from: Goose on September 28, 2017, 09:58:48 AM
IMO you would have to be an idiot to take the UL job at this point. This is a toxic situation and things probably get worse before better.
Some D2 D3 or Juco coach desperate to get his big time opportunity would take it in a heartbeat. Like this guy from Bellarmine
Boxer
I was referring to anyone that would normally be in line to replace Rick. Big name guys show make sure they have caller ID and not answer any calls from UL or their alumni.
L'ville is more likely to get the death penalty at this point than to hire name brand coach with high major head coaching experience. NCAA is going to make a big move to try to keep the feds off its back at an institutional level.
Quote from: Goose on September 28, 2017, 10:06:41 AM
Boxer
I was referring to anyone that would normally be in line to replace Rick. Big name guys show make sure they have caller ID and not answer any calls from UL or their alumni.
Oh got it. Makes more sense. My bad
Quote from: QuentinsWorld on September 28, 2017, 10:00:40 AM
For the few million they're going to pay, I'll take the title of idiot.
Sum on dis board already anoited you wit no pay, ai na?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 28, 2017, 10:39:44 AM
Sum on dis board already anoited you wit no pay, ai na?
I have an income, but it certainly isn't what the next Louisville coach is going to get.
MU82 is the most successful coach here. He hires JB to recruit. They make it work for a year and then realize their differences are too much to overcome.
As slow as the UNC case has gone it will be many years before the NCAA rules on this latest mess.
Lenny
I agree on the money they will pay. The guys I am talking about already make that type of scratch. Nothing to gain for them.
Quote from: MUBurrow on September 28, 2017, 10:24:39 AM
L'ville is more likely to get the death penalty at this point than to hire name brand coach with high major head coaching experience. NCAA is going to make a big move to try to keep the feds off its back at an institutional level.
I think the NCAA will look long and hard about handing out the death penalty again. As bad as this was, I don't think it results in any death penalty for any of the institutions.
Well, he has the rep of running a clean program. That's why Indiana threw so money at him to leave MU and go to rebuild their program.
I'm thinking Richard Pitino might get a look for the Louisville job.
Quote from: QuentinsWorld on September 28, 2017, 01:31:10 PM
I'm thinking Richard Pitino might get a look for the Louisville job.
No way this is going to happen. There is a saying that the apple does not fall far from the tree.
Quote from: bilsu on September 28, 2017, 01:58:38 PM
No way this is going to happen. There is a saying that the apple does not fall far from the tree.
(Didn't use teal)
This year's team is loaded even without Bowen. Will the NCAA be able to impose a penalty on this year's team before the tournament? If not, that interim job might look pretty tasty to a guy like Crean, who can come in for a year and try to win a title, and then leave to make way for a permanent coach to clean up the mess. It would be a circus, sure, and perhaps not worth the headache...but if it's a title one is after, there are worse choices to make.
Quote from: QuentinsWorld on September 28, 2017, 01:31:10 PM
I'm thinking Richard Pitino might get a look for the Louisville job.
No way. That name will be gone from UL for awhile.
By the way, slick Rick still wants all the money owed on his contract. Maybe the school should sue him for all the BS he has done there.
How about Vitale?
Quote from: 79Warrior on September 28, 2017, 03:35:43 PM
No way. That name will be gone from UL for awhile.
By the way, slick Rick still wants all the money owed on his contract. Maybe the school should sue him for all the BS he has done there.
(Again, I didn't use teal)
They just promoted current UL assistant David Padgett:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20863489/david-padgett-hired-interim-head-coach-louisville-cardinals
Logical. Let these players play this year under a coach they know and a system they know. Let the dust settle over the next 6-7 months and, if necessary, go coach shopping in the spring.
The university doesn't have a permanent president or athletic director either.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on September 29, 2017, 05:13:15 PM
The university doesn't have a permanent president or athletic director either.
Sounds familiar...
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on September 29, 2017, 05:13:15 PM
The university doesn't have a permanent president or athletic director either.
Well, that takes them out of the running for Shaka Smart.
From an offshore betting site. Bazz and Wojo both on the board.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on September 29, 2017, 05:13:15 PM
The university doesn't have a permanent president or athletic director either.
That cluster sounds familiar
Serious question, will Louisville have any assistant coaches this year? From the complaint filed, Coach-1 appears to be Jordan Fair. Kenny Johnson is probably the other coach (outside of Pitino) mentioned. Also, if Fair/Johnson were complicit, along with Pitino, how can Padgett have been clueless?
Quote from: MUDish on September 29, 2017, 09:37:49 PM
Serious question, will Louisville have any assistant coaches this year? From the complaint filed, Coach-1 appears to be Jordan Fair. Kenny Johnson is probably the other coach (outside of Pitino) mentioned. Also, if Fair/Johnson were complicit, along with Pitino, how can Padgett have been clueless?
Yeah I don't understand how they promote an assistant coach. Cut all ties with all coaches.
Quote from: tower912 on September 28, 2017, 11:24:13 AM
MU82 is the most successful coach here. He hires JB to recruit. They make it work for a year and then realize their differences are too much to overcome.
Woulda made for a good book ... maybe even a mini-series!
Alas, they hired Padgett. Maybe he needs a coupla assistants! I bring no record of working with male basketball players (at least not since my son was in 6th grade) and preference for 3-hour workdays. I think I'm their man!
Quote from: QuentinsWorld on September 29, 2017, 10:20:00 PM
Yeah I don't understand how they promote an assistant coach. Cut all ties with all coaches.
Wonder if it's a desperate attempt to keep some players around. With sanctions likely, getting kids to stick around will be a challenge.
Can't see hiring a former player and current assistant of Pitino as a wise move. I thought they would cut all ties.
It is a one year, interim hire. No big name was going to take it while the earthquake was still ongoing.
Quote from: tower912 on September 30, 2017, 06:14:11 AM
It is a one year, interim hire. No big name was going to take it while the earthquake was still ongoing.
In reality, no small name was going to take it right now given the uncertain future of the program.
Make no mistake, Louisville admin still wants to win this year. They made a hire that kept all of their current players happy. If you think they wanted to immediately cut all ties to Pitino in order for "what is ethical" this is still college sports. The opportunity to continue to make money will always supersede the duty for an institution to do what is right.
Quote from: QuentinsWorld on September 29, 2017, 10:20:00 PM
Yeah I don't understand how they promote an assistant coach. Cut all ties with all coaches.
They don't have much of a choice in the short term. Somebody has to be in charge right now. Even in the best of circumstances it would take several weeks at least to hire a new coach, so promoting him for now was the best option.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on September 30, 2017, 09:41:50 AM
Make no mistake, Louisville admin still wants to win this year. They made a hire that kept all of their current players happy. If you think they wanted to immediately cut all ties to Pitino in order for "what is ethical" this is still college sports. The opportunity to continue to make money will always supersede the duty for an institution to do what is right.
I didn't think they would do it to be ethical. I thought they would do whatever they could to to try and appease the NCAA before they get involved.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 30, 2017, 10:27:56 AM
I didn't think they would do it to be ethical. I thought they would do whatever they could to to try and appease the NCAA before they get involved.
That, and the fact that their coaches are still involved in a federal investigation. Ethical or not, it's plain stupid to have 2 coaches implicated in a federal investigation and think, "No problem, this coach on the same staff is totally fine." I understand no big name coaches are leaving their job weeks before the season to take on the absurd amount of uncertainty that Louisville has, but you bight the bullet on this season, give someone an interim giant one year paycheck, and start your job search for your next full time coach today.
Arkansas and Baylor both made wise decisions when they went through scandals within their respective football programs. Arkansas hired John L. Smith, who - while on staff - knew he was just a one-year stop-gap after the Bobby Petrino fiasco. Baylor hired Jim Grobe, a coach with zero ties to anyone on staff, but much experience coaching at a similar institution at Wake Forest, as an interim coach.
Louisville would have been wise to do something similar - someone in the vein of a Steve Fisher, Kevin O'Neill, Jim Crews, etc., or a coach that has zero expectation to remain past the season, but is respected enough to carry a team through adversity.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on September 30, 2017, 12:26:23 PM
Arkansas and Baylor both made wise decisions when they went through scandals within their respective football programs. Arkansas hired John L. Smith, who - while on staff - knew he was just a one-year stop-gap after the Bobby Petrino fiasco. Baylor hired Jim Grobe, a coach with zero ties to anyone on staff, but much experience coaching at a similar institution at Wake Forest, as an interim coach.
Louisville would have been wise to do something similar - someone in the vein of a Steve Fisher, Kevin O'Neill, Jim Crews, etc., or a coach that has zero expectation to remain past the season, but is respected enough to carry a team through adversity.
I don't think many people associated with those programs think that the Smith or Grobe hires were "wise decisions." The both were put in charge of programs with high expectations and failed pretty miserably.
Followed a guy with a 'LOOAVUL' license plate in a Cardinal alumni plate bracket today. Almost felt sorry for the guy.
Quote from: ChitownGrimes on September 29, 2017, 07:39:50 PM
From an offshore betting site. Bazz and Wojo both on the board.
Buzz would be perfect for that culture. Louisville's us vs them status in the state (it's a Kentucky Blue state for fandom), softer educational requirements would allow him to get anyone he wants into the program. He would do extremely well there as the anti-slick Coach Cal / Coach Pitino persona but get the Cards faithful to rally around his us vs the world mentality.