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How is the new(er) Milwaukee flag acceptable but the Warriors nickname, the Indians logo, etc. are offensive to Native Americans? In the top left of the circle, is that not what the Marquette Warriors, Cleveland Indians, etc. were so inappropriate for?
Quote from: QuentinsWorld on August 17, 2017, 02:47:10 PM
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How is the new(er) Milwaukee flag acceptable but the Warriors nickname, the Indians logo, etc. are offensive to Native Americans? In the top left of the circle, is that not what the Marquette Warriors, Cleveland Indians, etc. were so inappropriate for?
Great point! You know, I have no idea why this incredibly important topic has never been brought up before.
That flag was adopted in 1954.
The "newer" flag is The People's Flag of Milwaukee.
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/54dab70de4b0abb71baa5ca7/t/58b7b7bcb3db2bcf9310e548/1501218083751/)
Quote from: QuentinsWorld on August 17, 2017, 02:47:10 PM
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How is the new(er) Milwaukee flag acceptable but the Warriors nickname, the Indians logo, etc. are offensive to Native Americans? In the top left of the circle, is that not what the Marquette Warriors, Cleveland Indians, etc. were so inappropriate for?
That's no longer Milwaukee's flag.
This is Milwaukee's flag:
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/54dab70de4b0abb71baa5ca7/t/5914e9651b631b674c4ef29f/1494565840232/Milwaukee_Flag_Context.jpg?format=500w)
as voted by the people:
http://archive.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/five-finalists-unveiled-for-new-city-flag-b99725121z1-379541551.html/
Quote from: QuentinsWorld on August 17, 2017, 02:47:10 PM
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How is the new(er) Milwaukee flag acceptable but the Warriors nickname, the Indians logo, etc. are offensive to Native Americans? In the top left of the circle, is that not what the Marquette Warriors, Cleveland Indians, etc. were so inappropriate for?
Probably because no one knew it existed.
The original adopted in 1954 is still Milwaukee's official flag. The People's Flag was voted for by online vote but never officially adopted.
Interesting. Thanks. I thought this was the new flag. Oops.
I didn't know Milwaukee had a flag until they voted on the new one. The new one isn't used for anything but for selling a handful of t-shirts and flags to suckers... so I'm not sure it matters?
Chicago is big on its flag, but I can't honestly think of a single other city flag in the US. Am I unusually flag-ignorant? Or perhaps are city flags a touch... uh... useless?
Quote from: QuentinsWorld on August 17, 2017, 02:47:10 PM
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How is the new(er) Milwaukee flag acceptable but the Warriors nickname, the Indians logo, etc. are offensive to Native Americans? In the top left of the circle, is that not what the Marquette Warriors, Cleveland Indians, etc. were so inappropriate for?
Two wrongs don't make a right. That image is also tame compared to Willie Wampum and Chief Wahoo (though the fact that they decided to make it red doesn't help their case).
Most importantly, despite being born and raised in Milwaukee and that flag being made in 1954, this is the first time I have ever seen it. It seems that they wisely let the flag die a quiet death.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 17, 2017, 03:25:09 PM
Two wrongs don't make a right. That image is also tame compared to Willie Wampum and Chief Wahoo (though the fact that they decided to make it red doesn't help their case).
Most importantly, despite being born and raised in Milwaukee and that flag being made in 1954, this is the first time I have ever seen it. It seems that they wisely let the flag die a quiet death.
I have seen it before - in an article about the worst city flags in the U.S.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=51839.0 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=51839.0)
Quote from: jficke13 on August 17, 2017, 03:24:32 PM
I didn't know Milwaukee had a flag until they voted on the new one. The new one isn't used for anything but for selling a handful of t-shirts and flags to suckers... so I'm not sure it matters?
Chicago is big on its flag, but I can't honestly think of a single other city flag in the US. Am I unusually flag-ignorant? Or perhaps are city flags a touch... uh... useless?
City flags are awesome. Not chicagos fault every other city sucks at designing flags.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 17, 2017, 06:57:51 PM
City flags are awesome. Not chicagos fault every other city sucks at designing flags.
Do other cities even have flags? I can't think of one.
Also, now I'm thinking of classic Eddie Izzard... "Well, do you have a flag? No flag, no country. Those are the rules."
Woodstock had some flags, hey?
Is Chicago's flag a big steaming turd
Milwaukee does still use the flag, but it only flies outside a few buildings. If you're watching for it, it's definitely out there. Though the People's Flag is becoming far more visible than the old one. Tons of homes, bars, and businesses fly that flag now.
I think most major cities do have a flag, they just aren't celebrated. Chicago's is certainly the most iconic. But NYC, Boston, Philly, Houston, Atlanta, LA, Indy, Cincy, and other cities all have their own flags.
"as voted by the people"
hey, yeah, we had a vote too >:(
Seattle has a couple flags
(http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/files/2013/01/seattleflag-300x229.png)
(http://ih3.redbubble.net/image.14459052.3647/sticker,375x360.u1.png)
(http://towleroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/6a00d8341c730253ef017742981be0970d-800wi.jpg)
Quote from: jficke13 on August 17, 2017, 07:59:49 PM
Do other cities even have flags? I can't think of one.
Most large US cities have flags.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_cities_of_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_cities_of_the_United_States)
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on August 18, 2017, 07:47:28 AM
Most large US cities have flags.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_cities_of_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_cities_of_the_United_States)
A lot of bad design here.
That's the Gold of flags.
City flags are like the California Penal league of flags. Come talk to me when you've cracked into AA ball and are a state flag at least.
Can Chicago still afford to mend or replace its flag when necessary?
Quote from: GooooMarquette on August 18, 2017, 06:24:02 PM
Can Chicago still afford to mend or replace its flag when necessary?
I am confident that the city has a department with a couple of dozen employees whose only job is to keep an eye on the flag flying over the city. And that they are all relatives of Richie Daley.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on August 18, 2017, 06:24:02 PM
Can Chicago still afford to mend or replace its flag when necessary?
Chicago's flag is four red stars of David between two blue bars representing the branches of the Chicago River.
My favorite is still Nashville's, which was adopted when it went Metro in 1963. A Native American is holding up a skull.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 18, 2017, 06:35:42 PM
I am confident that the city has a department with a couple of dozen employees whose only job is to keep an eye on the flag flying over the city. And that they are all relatives of Richie Daley.Mike Madigan
FIFY
8,000th version of Milwaukee flag to be unfurled at City Hall on April 9
https://milwaukeerecord.com/city-life/8000th-version-of-milwaukee-flag-to-be-unfurled-at-city-hall-on-april-9/
I don't think anything epitomizes Milwaukee more than this flag debate. The clinging to tradition, no matter how bad the tradition might be. The new thing that is way too "out there." And now a compromise that will please no one. I mean, I love this town but this stuff just is exhausting.
Madison's flag is actually pretty neat.
The entire city has adopted the People's flag. And it looks cool on Brewers gear, so let's just roll with it, eh?
Quote from: jficke13 on August 17, 2017, 07:59:49 PM
Do other cities even have flags? I can't think of one.
Funny how quickly this sentiment has fallen off.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on August 18, 2017, 06:24:02 PM
Can Chicago still afford to mend or replace its flag when necessary?
Exactly. Saw a hilarious video online where there's actually (kinda) a movement to have bankrupt Illinois dissolved from the Union and geographically absorbed by WI, IA, IN, and KY. The good/bad news is that WI gets to claim Chicago and points south. The former mayor gets to keep a recalcitrant enclave known as Rahmania, while Madiganistan retains the Chicago flag.
I knew a couple people at MU who proudly hung that stupid flag in their dorm room. I'm from there, and maybe it's just self-loathing, but I don't understand the fascination with that city.
Milwaukee needs to revel in its not-being-Chicago uniqueness, not seek to try and measure up to it.
Quote from: NorthernDancerColt on April 14, 2019, 10:45:57 PM
Exactly. Saw a hilarious video online where there's actually (kinda) a movement to have bankrupt Illinois dissolved from the Union and geographically absorbed by WI, IA, IN, and KY. The good/bad news is that WI gets to claim Chicago and points south. The former mayor gets to keep a recalcitrant enclave known as Rahmania, while Madiganistan retains the Chicago flag.
Hard pass.
Quote from: NorthernDancerColt on April 14, 2019, 10:45:57 PM
Exactly. Saw a hilarious video online where there's actually (kinda) a movement to have bankrupt Illinois dissolved from the Union and geographically absorbed by WI, IA, IN, and KY. The good/bad news is that WI gets to claim Chicago and points south. The former mayor gets to keep a recalcitrant enclave known as Rahmania, while Madiganistan retains the Chicago flag.
I knew a couple people at MU who proudly hung that stupid flag in their dorm room. I'm from there, and maybe it's just self-loathing, but I don't understand the fascination with that city.
Milwaukee needs to revel in its not-being-Chicago uniqueness, not seek to try and measure up to it.
from the City, near burbs with el access or sit on the metra for ages to get to the city? Because that'd help explain it moreso than self loathing.
I will say it's funny how little of the city people, who proudly boast about Chicago, have actually explored.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 15, 2019, 07:10:20 AM
from the City, near burbs with el access or sit on the metra for ages to get to the city? Because that'd help explain it moreso than self loathing.
I will say it's funny how little of the city people, who proudly boast about Chicago, have actually explored.
From the northern burbs, and I will admit that I don't utilize Metra enough, because even with delays, it beats the Edens/Kennedy slog. I am an interesting case, in that I absolutely love driving cross-country...I have driven to Vegas and even California multiple times. But put me in Chicago traffic and I am pulling my hair out.
In addition to traffic, I think the search for any parking, not just affordable parking, sours me on the city. You've spent all that time in bumper-bumper...now you've got to work to park your frustrations, and you're supposed to be enjoying your excursion. I know, I can be a head-case...lol.
Quote from: NorthernDancerColt on April 15, 2019, 10:27:59 AM
From the northern burbs, and I will admit that I don't utilize Metra enough, because even with delays, it beats the Edens/Kennedy slog. I am an interesting case, in that I absolutely love driving cross-country...I have driven to Vegas and even California multiple times. But put me in Chicago traffic and I am pulling my hair out.
In addition to traffic, I think the search for any parking, not just affordable parking, sours me on the city. You've spent all that time in bumper-bumper...now you've got to work to park your frustrations, and you're supposed to be enjoying your excursion. I know, I can be a head-case...lol.
Now, and I don't mean this in any disrespectful way about suburbia, but given that you're from the northern burbs not the city itself and unless that northern burb is Evanston, there's not much in common with the city and any of the other nothern burbs so it sort of answers why you don't relate the city pride and flag sentiment.
Quote from: NorthernDancerColt on April 15, 2019, 10:27:59 AM
From the northern burbs, and I will admit that I don't utilize Metra enough, because even with delays, it beats the Edens/Kennedy slog. I am an interesting case, in that I absolutely love driving cross-country...I have driven to Vegas and even California multiple times. But put me in Chicago traffic and I am pulling my hair out.
In addition to traffic, I think the search for any parking, not just affordable parking, sours me on the city. You've spent all that time in bumper-bumper...now you've got to work to park your frustrations, and you're supposed to be enjoying your excursion. I know, I can be a head-case...lol.
Parking no longer an issue. SpotHero works incredibly well in the City. Easy to use the app, easy to find parking, and discounted (still too expensive of course).
Quote from: LloydsLegs on April 15, 2019, 12:25:24 PM
Parking no longer an issue. SpotHero works incredibly well in the City. Easy to use the app, easy to find parking, and discounted (still too expensive of course).
I will tell you that I had my first ever positive parking experience in Chicago at this years game at DePaul. I had read what a disaster the McCormick Place area was on the day of the game. To my utter surprise, I parked within a block of the arena using SpotHero. I didn't have an account, but it was the easiest APP ever to download and navigate. I was in the space, on the app, legally parked, and in the arena within 1o minutes....for the ridiculously low price of $4. I checked my credit card statement the next day thinking the App price quote had to be a misprint, and/or that there was some hidden $25 processing fee. I guess the crappy winter weather that night led to a supply/demand scale hugely in my favor...I kind of expected the arena to be empty. Still not sure how the price was so low.
For every game at Wrigley, the opponent's City flag is displayed to the right of the marquee and the Chicago flag is displayed to the left.
Quote from: LloydsLegs on April 15, 2019, 12:25:24 PM
Parking no longer an issue. SpotHero works incredibly well in the City. Easy to use the app, easy to find parking, and discounted (still too expensive of course).
Spot Hero is incredible. Ive parked in River North garages for entire weekends for $15-20 as a result.
The biggest parking secret, that was tragic when it ended, was the old Children's hospital structure on Lincoln, just south of Fullerton.
When the hospital moved to Streeterville in 2011/2012, they also gave up operation of the structure. There was still the ticket booth, but the gates were always up. I thought it would be a temporary oversight, but for a good 4-5 years, until developers took over the area to redevelop, it was a free structure. It was also never full cause people didn't realize. I parked a car there for 2 weeks straight one time and checked on it once. I was living in Old Town and if people visited me, I would have them park there and just Uber to me or I'd come pick them up. It was super clutch.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 17, 2019, 03:10:13 PM
When the hospital moved to Streeterville in 2011/2012, they also gave up operation of the structure. There was still the ticket booth, but the gates were always up. I thought it would be a temporary oversight, but for a good 4-5 years, until developers took over the area to redevelop, it was a free structure. It was also never full cause people didn't realize. I parked a car there for 2 weeks straight one time and checked on it once. I was living in Old Town and if people visited me, I would have them park there and just Uber to me or I'd come pick them up. It was super clutch.
Wow. I would have been scared to death to try that. Worried I end up fishing my car out of some hellhole like Lincoln Towing.
Quote from: RJax55 on April 17, 2019, 03:43:45 PM
Wow. I would have been scared to death to try that. Worried I end up fishing my car out of some hellhole like Lincoln Towing.
My sister used to live above what was America's Dog (now is some other dog/burger place) right there at Lincoln and Belden. And she mentioned her roommate had been parking there. And I went in and there were like 25-30 cars easily parked on various levels. Some had clearly been there for some period of time. So that kind of eased my worry.
We could do a towing thread for Chicago people probably, but both times I got towed it was HORRIBLE.
1) Went to see a concert at Congress when I was in college. Got there in mid afternoon for an evening show. Parked in a big lot off of Milwaukee Ave. Was an idiot, didn't see signs and didn't know how aggressive people were. Manager of the Walgreens called for a tow basically the minute I walked off the lot. Came back to grab something an hour later. Thought my car was stolen. Called the cops, dispatcher asked where I was, chuckled, said I got towed. I had to hitch a ride with someone to like 45th and Halstead, past Sox Park. I dont even remember how bad the charge was, just how stupid it was that it was taken that far.
2) Drove to a friend's place for NYE the year I moved to the city. Lived in a high rise just north of Wrigley. Their building had a structure that had guest parking spots. I go to park, was supposed to be in spot 101. There was snow falling, it was hard to see numbers, I think I ended up in spot 102. Left a note on my car with my number in case I was accidentally in the wrong spot. Go up the next morning, my car is gone, a car is in my spot and my note is crumbled into a pretty blatant human rolled ball on the ground in the snow. That was a fun New Years Day excursion. Thankfully the lot was just up Clark. Im not proud, but that was the only time I've ever purposefully urinated on a car.
One of the services (can't recall if it is Spot Hero or Park Whiz) will rent you a spot under the El tracks in Lakeview and other hot spots for cheap. I think I have paid $5 on a weekend night. The spots are clearly marked with the app's logo.
If I had a brand new car, I might be a bit hesitant of debris falling from the tracks, but I have no issue with parking my 15-year-old SUV there.