Pay him as much as you have to.Do not lose him.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on April 04, 2017, 11:19:02 AM
Pay him as much as you have to.Do not lose him.
I agree with this analysis.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on April 04, 2017, 11:19:02 AM
Pay him as much as you have to.Do not lose him.
What makes you say that today?
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on April 04, 2017, 11:19:02 AM
Pay him as much as you have to.Do not lose him.
You make it sound like MU picked him up on the cheap or doesn't show him the necessary respect. Since MU came up with enough money and opportunity to convince him to leave Arizona State where he had been for two years and was the only assistant coach retained when Bobby Hurley got the job. They got him to relocate his family and leave the west where he had always been to come to Milwaukee, so I'm guessing that he does alright. Additionally, Wojo has said some great things about him. So why the concern?
Why not give Wojo props for knowing great talent and doing what was necessay to get him here?
He is going to be in line for a Head coaching position at a mid Major soon.Pay him so that does not happen
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on April 04, 2017, 12:00:28 PM
He is going to be in line for a Head coaching position at a mid Major soon.Pay him so that does not happen
There is no amount of money paid to an assistant coach that would be enough for the person to never leave to become a head coach.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on April 04, 2017, 12:05:02 PM
There is no amount of money paid to an assistant coach that would be enough for the person to never leave to become a head coach.
Are you trying to tell me you wouldn't stay on as an assistant coach somewhere for a billion dollars? I certainly would.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on April 04, 2017, 12:05:02 PM
There is no amount of money paid to an assistant coach that would be enough for the person to never leave to become a head coach.
I agree that there is no amount of money that you could pay a coach to never leave, but you can pay enough money to make the coach rethink taking a mid major coaching job. There are lots of examples of well paid assistants that stuck with a program for a long time until they got a good head coaching job.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on April 04, 2017, 12:00:28 PM
He is going to be in line for a Head coaching position at a mid Major soon.Pay him so that does not happen
"The Only Thing That Is Constant Is Change -"
― Heraclitus
Quote from: zrjones13 on April 04, 2017, 12:10:46 PM
I agree that there is no amount of money that you could pay a coach to never leave, but you can pay enough money to make the coach rethink taking a mid major coaching job. There are lots of examples of well paid assistants that stuck with a program for a long time until they got a good head coaching job.
Wojo would be one of those.
I agree with this sentiment - let's at least pay him enough so he jumps to a good program if HC is his aspiration.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on April 04, 2017, 12:09:33 PM
Are you trying to tell me you wouldn't stay on as an assistant coach somewhere for a billion dollars? I certainly would.
I'd stay, brah.
Those suits ain't cheap, ainner?
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 04, 2017, 12:17:38 PM
Wojo would be one of those.
Wojo didn't sit next to K for 15 years because of his pay stub.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on April 04, 2017, 12:46:49 PM
Wojo didn't sit next to K for 15 years because of his pay stub.
Yah, my point wasn't as much about is his paystub as it was that he stuck in an assistant coaching role for well over 10 years when undoubtedly he had the ability to get the head coaching job at low and mid major schools.
He didn't make the jump until he had a ~ top 25 job offer.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 04, 2017, 01:25:25 PM
Yah, my point wasn't as much about is his paystub as it was that he stuck in an assistant coaching role for well over 10 years when undoubtedly he had the ability to get the head coaching job at low and mid major schools.
He didn't make the jump until he had a ~ top 25 job offer.
Breaks my heart to say it, but top 25 may be a bit of an overstatement.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 04, 2017, 01:54:25 PM
Breaks my heart to say it, but top 25 may be a bit of an overstatement.
Yah, maybe a bit, but not much. Hence the ~.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 04, 2017, 01:55:02 PM
Yah, maybe a bit, but not much. Hence the ~.
But better than Rick's STL program.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 04, 2017, 01:54:25 PM
Breaks my heart to say it, but top 25 may be a bit of an overstatement.
I don't think so. We're not a top-25 team, but I think we're still a top-25 program. The luster hasn't all worn off yet.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 04, 2017, 02:51:20 PM
I don't think so. We're not a top-25 team, but I think we're still a top-25 program. The luster hasn't all worn off yet.
Yep
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 04, 2017, 01:54:25 PM
Breaks my heart to say it, but top 25 may be a bit of an overstatement.
Has more resources available to the basketball program than anyone other school, except Duke. Plays in an NBA arena. Plays in a league that just sent seven of its ten teams to the NCAA tournament. Gets a share of the best TV contract for basketball out there. A top attendance team. Feted by the members of MUScoop.
Yeah, I'm going top 25.
Stan seems like a smart guy. So does Wojo. I like to think Wojo/MU are taking care of Stan financially. And I like to think Stan is smart enough to be patient for a job that will give him a chance to succeed and eventually reach his biggest goals.
But lumping all mid-major head coaching jobs together as being not as good as being a major's assistant seems wrong, too.
For example, Dayton is a pretty good program. Wichita State - pretty good program. Butler, X and Creighton were labeled mid-major until they joined the BE (and some still call them that, albeit incorrectly) - pretty good programs.
If Marshall left Wichita State, I would leave most (if not all) assistant jobs to be their head coach if terms of my being hired suited me.
Quote from: 4everCrean on April 04, 2017, 03:36:13 PM
Has more resources available to the basketball program than anyone other school, except Duke. Plays in an NBA arena. Plays in a league that just sent seven of its ten teams to the NCAA tournament. Gets a share of the best TV contract for basketball out there. A top attendance team. Feted by the members of MUScoop.
Yeah, I'm going top 25.
Stupid question, but is this a big selling point? The reason I ask is because several of the articles I read about the Georgetown coaching search mentioned this as a negative. Is the difference between the two the proximity of the arena to campus? The quality of the arena? Or is this a case of looking at the situation through "blue and gold colored glasses" and counting it as a selling point? Not trying to be argumentative...I'm genuinely curious.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on April 04, 2017, 03:54:14 PM
Stupid question, but is this a big selling point? The reason I ask is because several of the articles I read about the Georgetown coaching search mentioned this as a negative. Is the difference between the two the proximity of the arena to campus? The quality of the arena? Or is this a case of looking at the situation through "blue and gold colored glasses" and counting it as a selling point? Not trying to be argumentative...I'm genuinely curious.
That's called Hoya Paranoia.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on April 04, 2017, 03:54:14 PM
Stupid question, but is this a big selling point? The reason I ask is because several of the articles I read about the Georgetown coaching search mentioned this as a negative. Is the difference between the two the proximity of the arena to campus? The quality of the arena? Or is this a case of looking at the situation through "blue and gold colored glasses" and counting it as a selling point? Not trying to be argumentative...I'm genuinely curious.
I think it can be a big selling point if used correctly. If you can tie the program to the NBA team, then it's a positive. Say you could get Bucks like Jabari Parker to swing by campus during a player visit, or score tickets to a NBA game for a recruit's visit and tell them "you'd be playing here", or simply show off the structure, I think it's a positive.
Now if you have them come for a visit when we're playing West Eastern State and the place is a mausoleum, or you don't adequately utlilize the sound and video board technology, or it's on the opposite side of town and not within walking distance (like the Silk Exotic Entertainment Center will be from Marquette) then it might be a negative.
All in the salesmanship.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on April 04, 2017, 03:54:14 PM
Stupid question, but is this a big selling point? The reason I ask is because several of the articles I read about the Georgetown coaching search mentioned this as a negative. Is the difference between the two the proximity of the arena to campus? The quality of the arena? Or is this a case of looking at the situation through "blue and gold colored glasses" and counting it as a selling point? Not trying to be argumentative...I'm genuinely curious.
Hope not, hey?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on April 04, 2017, 03:54:14 PM
Stupid question, but is this a big selling point? The reason I ask is because several of the articles I read about the Georgetown coaching search mentioned this as a negative. Is the difference between the two the proximity of the arena to campus? The quality of the arena? Or is this a case of looking at the situation through "blue and gold colored glasses" and counting it as a selling point? Not trying to be argumentative...I'm genuinely curious.
I have seen enough examples of players talking or tweeting about how cool it is to play in an NBA arena and occasionally rub elbows with NBA players that I have to believe the GTown fans were looking for an excuse.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 04, 2017, 07:04:14 PM
I have seen enough examples of players talking or tweeting about how cool it is to play in an NBA arena and occasionally rub elbows with NBA players that I have to believe the GTown fans were looking for an excuse.
We've had scrimmages with Bucks during visits. I'm sure that has to be a plus.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on April 04, 2017, 12:05:02 PM
There is no amount of money paid to an assistant coach that would be enough for the person to never leave to become a head coach.
I don't know where the cutoff is, but I'm pretty sure $3M is a correct answer.
Quote from: Benny B on April 04, 2017, 08:06:35 PM
I don't know where the cutoff is, but I'm pretty sure $3M is a correct answer.
$3M?!?! Jeesh! I mean, that's almost
half of what I get!
Quote from: MU82 on April 04, 2017, 09:47:29 PM
$3M?!?! Jeesh! I mean, that's almost half of what I get!
And that's why Marquette had to "settle" for Stan Johnson. Just tell us that there's hope MU can get you somewhere down the line.
Quote from: brewcity77 link=topic=54163.msg922114#msg922114 cdate=1491335480
I don't think so. We're not a top-25 team, but I think we're still a top-25 program. The luster hasn't all worn off yet.
Don't know about that. Luster drops off pretty quick when your program is averaging 15 losses per year over past 3 yrs under current HC. Heres to hoping that loss total drops below 10 next season.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 05, 2017, 05:23:36 AM
Don't know about that. Luster drops off pretty quick when your program is averaging 15 losses per year over past 3 yrs under current HC. Heres to hoping that loss total drops below 10 next season.
Maybe you should start looking at the other side of the Coin. (The Sunnyside of the street.)
Quote from: willie warrior on April 05, 2017, 05:23:36 AM
Don't know about that. Luster drops off pretty quick when your program is averaging 15 losses per year over past 3 yrs under current HC. Heres to hoping that loss total drops below 10 next season.
Many consider Indiana a top-10 job and they haven't had success beyond the first weekend in over a decade. I'm not worried about our place in the NCAA landscape.
Quote from: Loose Cannon on April 05, 2017, 07:42:25 AM
Maybe you should start looking at the other side of the Coin. (The Sunnyside of the street.)
I will when it arrives.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 05, 2017, 04:39:25 PM
I will when it arrives.
Check Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 I do think you have some CBB Knowledge.
Quote from: Loose Cannon on April 05, 2017, 04:47:44 PM
Check Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 I do think you have some CBB Knowledge.
Not seeing your point. Year 2, 20-13, year 3, 19-13? 13 losses in each of last 3 years. Not too good. Hope he reduces it to less than 10 next year
And must improve the defense
Quote from: willie warrior on April 06, 2017, 04:35:48 PM
Not seeing your point. Year 2, 20-13, year 3, 19-13? 13 losses in each of last 3 years. Not too good. Hope he reduces it to less than 10 next year
And must improve the defense
Year 1 - Awful
Year 2- No Postseason
Year 3 - NCAA 10 seed
Come on, man. Stop cherry picking. Agreed on the defense though, needs to get better.
Willy after Al averaged 13 losses/year in his first three years at Marquette and only made the NIT the 3rd year.
"Luster drops off pretty quick when your program is averaging 13 losses per year over past 3 yrs under current HC."
Let's face it. Wojo could win the national championship with one loss next year, and he'd complain about the loss.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on April 06, 2017, 05:21:59 PM
Let's face it. Wojo could win the national championship with one loss next year, and he'd complain about the loss.
Give him a little credit. As long as the loss wasn't a conference opponent, cupcake/buy, Wisc, an early season tournament, or as part of a home-and-home, it would be a totally acceptable loss.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 06, 2017, 04:35:48 PM
Not seeing your point. Year 2, 20-13, year 3, 19-13? 13 losses in each of last 3 years. Not too good. Hope he reduces it to less than 10 next year
And must improve the defense
Thanks for your response Willie, I think you're in a rare class, thanks again.