20-22 wins
10 or 11 in conference
4th place
NCAA tournament, 7-10 seed
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 18, 2017, 10:35:40 AM
20-22 wins
10 or 11 in conference
4th place
NCAA tournament, 7-10 seed
17-18 wins
8 or 9 in conference
6th place
NIT
Unless at least two freshmen can play 30 minutes a night
Lots of questions but there's enough returning talent and new talent coming on board to expect a tourney berth.
Here's my take: who the heck knows? Will the team learn pick and roll defense and not be ranked 347 out of 351? Will the bigs rebound? Will our long-range shooting continue? No idea what we will do next year. Hoping for the best and hoping we land some great recruits to fill out the roster and for 2018. Go Marquette!
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 18, 2017, 10:35:40 AM
20-22 wins
10 or 11 in conference
4th place
NCAA tournament, 7-10 seed
Seems about right. Let's see what happens with the 2 open spots and roster attrition. I acknowledge it happens but won't speculate about transfers on the message board. My preference.
A stronger non-conference schedule.
Man, I really have no idea. It depends on how ready Cain and John are. Who gets the last scholarship. How Froling progresses.
Let's get the roster set and worry about it then.
I think a lot of the frustration with this team comes from the fact that they overachieved on a regular basis which caused us to have slightly overinflated expectations at times. Next year I want to see more toughness and and better athletes. If not I will ask for a seat on the "Wojo on the hot seat"band wagon. I didn't think we would make the tournament this year so I am ok with overall results. I think next year will be slightly better but frustratingly inconsistent again. Back in the tournament as a 10 seed but next year we make it to the Sweet 16. The year after that we spend most if not all of the season in the top 25 and make some noise in the tournament as a 4 or 5 seed.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 18, 2017, 10:35:40 AM
20-22 wins
10 or 11 in conference
4th place
NCAA tournament, 7-10 seed
100% agree, with 2019 being the Geat Leap Forward
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 18, 2017, 10:35:40 AM
20-22 wins
10 or 11 in conference
4th place
NCAA tournament, 7-10 seed
Tough to predict wins without knowing non conference schedule.
BE is going to be really tough again. DU, GU and SJU will likely be the bottom 3. I could see us being 6-7 again as other teams are loaded.
I think we are a bubble team and expect another up and down season.
If nobody transfers and Marquette has another season of good health.... 22-23 wins. 5 seed. Second weekend. Injuries and transfers, all bets are off.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on March 18, 2017, 11:19:31 AM
Tough to predict wins without knowing non conference schedule.
BE is going to be really tough again. DU, GU and SJU will likely be the bottom 3. I could see us being 6-7 again as other teams are loaded.
I think we are a bubble team and expect another up and down season.
Ummm sju loses no one angets a mich state and an arizona transfers both of which can really play
Do we think any transfers are likely? Seems like this group is all pretty happy with where they are at - only one I can think maybe is Cheatham (feels like he could be a stud at a mid-major).
BE gonna be really good. Sju, ceighton, seton hall, and prov all basically lose no one
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on March 18, 2017, 11:19:31 AM
Tough to predict wins without knowing non conference schedule.
I think we know a fair amount of the non-league schedule to at least make an educated guess.
At Moscow
UGA at home
Maui - Cal, LSU, Michigan, ND, Va Com, Wichita - 2-1 a reasonable guess against that field
Gavitt Game
7 Hairy's
10-3 non-conference seems like a reasonable guess.
11-7 in BE would represent improvement.
1-1 BET
1-1 NCAAs
I'll say 23-12 for next year.
20-21 wins
10 in Big East
5th in conference
NCAA, but near bubble like this year
Very similar to this year. Just get in the dance.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 18, 2017, 12:46:11 PM
Very similar to this year. Just get in the dance.
And then take off in 18-19.
Quote from: Eye on March 18, 2017, 12:38:22 PM
I think we know a fair amount of the non-league schedule to at least make an educated guess.
At Moscow
UGA at home
Maui - Cal, LSU, Michigan, ND, Va Com, Wichita - 2-1 a reasonable guess against that field
Gavitt Game
7 Hairy's
10-3 non-conference seems like a reasonable guess.
11-7 in BE would represent improvement.
1-1 BET
1-1 NCAAs
I'll say 23-12 for next year.
I'll adjust yours slightly:
11-2 Non-conference
10-8 Conference
1-1 BET
1-1 NCAAs
Overall 23-12.
National title ... or Wojo gowne!
And even then, he'd better win the title game by at least 12!!!
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 18, 2017, 11:02:11 AM
Man, I really have no idea. It depends on how ready Cain and John are. Who gets the last scholarship. How Froling progresses.
Let's get the roster set and worry about it then.
This. Far too often folks expect way more from the new guys than is realistic. We need athletes and size. time will tell.
I have a lot of optimism for next season. The shooters (sans Katin) all come back, Sacar/Duane/Hannif/Heldt are all a year stronger and more polished, Froling could have a similar impact that Luke had his first few months for us in 2015, Theo should give us a (PF version) banger down low we haven't had since like Otule, and I really think Jamal Cain could be a beast (over time) and the standout of the new group. Has all the measureables and can stroke with a nice midrange game, just needs to put on another 10-15 lbs of muscle to contribute early. I think of it like I thought of JJ when he came here: similar playing styles except Jamal is 3/4 inches taller with a much better shot coming in, hence him realizing said potential sooner. And Wojo, while coming up short for some, has shown to be great in the grad transfer market: I'd expect we get a difference maker again this offseason.
However, my biggest fear for next season is how much shooting we'll have to give up to become an adequate/less shitty defense. What made this year so exciting was throwing Luke at the 5 and surrounding him with 4 40%+ three point shooters at once (I think Katin was close to 40%), or just our general 4-out 1-in sets. It made us absolutely lethal all year, even though our defensive struggles were equally historic. The worry is that while we will add Theo John, Sacar Anim, etc. types in the mix at the 3/4 to help defensively, how much will we be subsequently giving up on offense? Will the shooting and offense we give up be greater than the improvements our defense will see with more traditional 5-man lineups?
I can see an offensive lineup, when all eligible, even more terrifying like:
Howard
Rowsey
Cain
Hauser
Froling
But I expect we'll see more traditional splits of:
Howard / Rowsey
Duane / Cheatham
Hauser / Cain / Sacar
John / Hauser
Heldt / Froling / Eke (RS)
Excited to see who else we bring in with the extra scholies and can't wait for November.
Too early to say. Gut tells me we will be at a similar level to this season. Transfers in/out could change that. Injuries could as well.
What I do think is that the Big East will be an absolute cluster. Teams towards the bottom (SJU, PROV, HALL) lose nobody. Teams towards the top (NOVA, BUT, X) lose a lot. It's gonna be an Fing mess.
Need another guard. We are an injury away in the backcourt of having a rough season. Hopefully we add a senior transfer or Elliott and then we can make predictions.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 18, 2017, 01:52:56 PM
Too early to say. Gut tells me we will be at a similar level to this season. Transfers in/out could change that. Injuries could as well.
What I do think is that the Big East will be an absolute cluster. Teams towards the bottom (SJU, PROV, HALL) lose nobody. Teams towards the top (NOVA, BUT, X) lose a lot. It's gonna be an Fing mess.
Yesssir
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 18, 2017, 01:52:56 PM
Too early to say. Gut tells me we will be at a similar level to this season. Transfers in/out could change that. Injuries could as well.
What I do think is that the Big East will be an absolute cluster. Teams towards the bottom (SJU, PROV, HALL) lose nobody. Teams towards the top (NOVA, BUT, X) lose a lot. It's gonna be an Fing mess.
+1
End of the day, think we're about the same. Need to continue to strengthen OOC games.
If we strike lightning twice with freshmen ready to contribute it could be a fun year. If I had to bet, I'd guess a similar year
I think people will be very pleased with Froling.
Offense will be very good again.
Defense will decide if the season is successful or not. We will finally have some quickness/size combo inside - but it will be young.
But there is absolutely no way that the defense will be as bad next year. Last night may have been the worst defensive performance I have ever seen by any team.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 18, 2017, 04:35:28 PM
I think people will be very pleased with Froling.
I agree with this analysis
IF our defense majorly improves we could have 20-25 wins no doubt
I don't really see where all the optimism is coming from. Defense is a mystery - an offensively-challenged So. Car. put up 93. If I were Wojo, I would only practice defense for the first two weeks. If, as has been reported, "they're not interested in playing defense," I'd reward the ones who want to play D. I think Hauser will be improved, and will benefit from the length coming in with the Frosh. Markus is still a kid, and should continue to develop. He needs to work on the TO;s and learn how to foul less so he can stay on the floor. Haanif has work to do - I am very concerned about him. I note that JB is optimistic on Froling, and I hope he's as right on that count as he was on Markus. Always worry when freshmen are expected to solve a team's problem.
Without a transfer, don't see much upside next year. It was great to get to the dance, but I'd love to be more competitive in the tournament than this year.
Quote from: Eye on March 18, 2017, 12:38:22 PM
At Moscow
It took me far too long to realize this meant Madison, and not that we had scheduled a road game at Idaho.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 18, 2017, 06:03:37 PM
IF our defense majorly improves we could have 20-25 wins no doubt
25? And people call me a cockeyed optimist. I can see anything from 18-21 being realistic. Unless one of our freshmen is secretly Anthony Davis, 25 sounds crazy. I mean, I would love you to be right, but we will be counting on a lot of inexperience up front.
Guess would be low end is the other side of the bubble, high end a year where we're in and out of the top 25 a couple times. Every year is different though. Might get some help from the freshmen, Froling, Sacar, and possibly another add. But who makes strides in their game is the most critical thing - do Howard and/or Hauser become elite players as sophomores, does Cheatham right the course or Duane get back to being more than a role player or Heldt more than an effort guy? Lastly, how does the staff address some of the dire weaknesses of this team, with what was often than not a completely inept defense being at the top of the list?
We need BEEF
Quote from: Earl Tatum on March 18, 2017, 09:12:55 PM
We need BEEF
We need mean, nasty, gristly beef. Pro bull riding beef.
I suspect we'll be better, especially if Cain and Froling can step right in.
One thing for sure - If we win 19, go 10-8 in conference, 0-1 in the BEast tournament, get a 10 seed and only lose in round 1 by 19 some will hail the great progress made vs this year. LOL - just kidding, boys and girls.
When will froling be able to play next season? Would love his first game to be against the rodents
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 18, 2017, 10:12:12 PM
When will froling be able to play next season? Would love his first game to be against the rodents
After grades are posted for the first semester. While the UW game isn't scheduled yet, it is usually well before the end of the first semester.
5 returning starters
A big who can spread the floor
shooters, shooters, and more shooters
Sacar brings some strength
Cheatham develops
Some good / some bad from Frosh
All of that sounds quite a bit better than this year.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 18, 2017, 10:14:17 PM
After grades are posted for the first semester. While the UW game isn't scheduled yet, it is usually well before the end of the first semester.
Didn't someone say that the game will have to be pushed back or something because of the BT tourney
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 18, 2017, 10:14:17 PM
After grades are posted for the first semester. While the UW game isn't scheduled yet, it is usually well before the end of the first semester.
With the weird B10 schedule next year, it may not be able to be earlier. There is a decent chance (50/50) that it will be late enough next year that he can play.
I think Froling would match up well against Happ (but I think Happ should go pro if he gets a 1st round grade).
Would be a good game like usual
I think we will have a good mix next year. Don't mind losing Reinhardt. Froling should fill in nicely for Fischer. If Cheatham can get back to freshman year he can be our JJJ. Howard and Hauser have experience. I expect the incoming height to hit on at least 1 solid freshman. Could be a really good mix.
Xavier does not lose anything really important. I see them as the top team next year. If Patton stays CU will be good. Villanova will slide a bit. SJU is improving and Providence will be similar to this year. To me that puts us at around 5th maybe 4th. But we need to get tough on defense. Hoping the bigs can assist with that. I'll say 22 wins based on better mix of players and continuity in the Wojo system.
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Don't think Happ gets a first round grade with his shooting
Quote from: Floor Slaps on March 18, 2017, 10:33:20 PM
I think we will have a good mix next year. Don't mind losing Reinhardt. Froling should fill in nicely for Fischer. If Cheatham can get back to freshman year he can be our JJJ. Howard and Hauser have experience. I expect the incoming height to hit on at least 1 solid freshman. Could be a really good mix.
Xavier does not lose anything really important. I see them as the top team next year. If Patton stays CU will be good. Villanova will slide a bit. SJU is improving and Providence will be similar to this year. To me that puts us at around 5th maybe 4th. But we need to get tough on defense. Hoping the bigs can assist with that. I'll say 22 wins based on better mix of players and continuity in the Wojo system.
Villanova wont slide too much but losing Hart,Bridges and Jenkins will be tough but they will get Spellman who had to sit out all last year and 3 decent recruits. They will probably land a transfer or 2
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 18, 2017, 10:38:42 PM
Villanova wont slide too much but losing Hart,Bridges and Jenkins will be tough but they will get Spellman who had to sit out all last year and 3 decent recruits. They will probably land a transfer or 2
Bridges is a redshirt soph. He will be back.
Quote from: Floor Slaps on March 18, 2017, 10:33:20 PM
I think we will have a good mix next year. Don't mind losing Reinhardt. Froling should fill in nicely for Fischer. If Cheatham can get back to freshman year he can be our JJJ. Howard and Hauser have experience. I expect the incoming height to hit on at least 1 solid freshman. Could be a really good mix.
Xavier does not lose anything really important. I see them as the top team next year. If Patton stays CU will be good. Villanova will slide a bit. SJU is improving and Providence will be similar to this year. To me that puts us at around 5th maybe 4th. But we need to get tough on defense. Hoping the bigs can assist with that. I'll say 22 wins based on better mix of players and continuity in the Wojo system.
I'm not betting on Bluiett coming back for X. Sumner obviously will be
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 18, 2017, 10:40:38 PM
Bridges is a redshirt soph. He will be back.
my bad, for some reason i thought he was a senior
Quote from: WarriorFan on March 18, 2017, 10:15:35 PM
5 returning starters
sounds quite a bit better than this year.
5 starters, sure (Matt Heldt, seriously?) - but we do lose three guys who were among our top 5 in minutes per game.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on March 18, 2017, 09:12:55 PM
We need BEEF
Balance. Eyes. Elbow. Follow-through.
Yep, every good shooter needs to use the BEEF technique.
I'll wait to see the final roster. With 2 open scholarships, chances are we add at least 1 more player — most likely a grad transfer. I expect we'll hear in the next month (Katin's commitment was announced on April 9 last year).
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 18, 2017, 11:30:41 PM
5 starters, sure (Matt Heldt, seriously?) - but we do lose three guys who were among our top 5 in minutes per game.
Matt was dismal against SC, just dismal.
I think we improve, mostly on defense, and sone on offense. If we get a PG Grad Transfer with some height (6-5) then a much more improvement.
If MU improves on Offense I will be surprised, they operated at a pretty high level this year. If they can improve on defense and give just a little ground on offense they will be better to significantly better. I would like to see a PF grad transfer, I think 1-3 positions will be well staffed next year but 4 and 5 positions could use a little help.
Quote from: Loose Cannon on March 19, 2017, 08:31:47 AM
I think we improve, mostly on defense, and sone on offense. If we get a PG Grad Transfer with some height (6-5) then a much more improvement.
are there any transfers or grad transfers we know of right now?
One thing will help our offense is cutting down on turn overs, we need better decision making and ball handling. Matt was completely lost in that game. I have a good feeling for next year with our bigs coming in and the confidence that we made the tourney this year.
Quote from: forgetful on March 18, 2017, 10:16:57 PM
(but I think Happ should go pro if he gets a 1st round grade).
While he is a pretty good college player, would be surprised if he'd be drafted next year, particularly in a strong draft. Let's see how he does when he's the unquestioned target of opponent's scouting reports. Wouldn't put it past King to be one of their better options next year. Fair bit better than Koenig as a HS player.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 19, 2017, 09:04:06 AM
are there any transfers or grad transfers we know of right now?
I don't know his intentions, But I have my eye on Anthony Dailer
Yale PG 6-6 and 190.
Have no idea what interests on either side.
Quote from: Loose Cannon on March 19, 2017, 10:16:01 AM
I don't know his intentions, But I have my eye on Anthony Dailer
Yale PG 6-6 and 190.
Have no idea what interests on either side.
Will he be a grad transfer? I'll do some digging but he was great for Yale. The following year Yale's Makai Mason becomes available. He missed this season due to injury with a medical redshirt and Ivy rules prevent him from playing in his 5th year. He was the hero for Yale in the 2016 NCAA Tourney.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 19, 2017, 06:56:39 PM
Will he be a grad transfer? I'll do some digging but he was great for Yale. The following year Yale's Makai Mason becomes available. He missed this season due to injury with a medical redshirt and Ivy rules prevent him from playing in his 5th year. He was the hero for Yale in the 2016 NCAA Tourney.
Thanks, nice to be updated.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 19, 2017, 06:56:39 PM
Will he be a grad transfer? I'll do some digging but he was great for Yale. The following year Yale's Makai Mason becomes available. He missed this season due to injury with a medical redshirt and Ivy rules prevent him from playing in his 5th year. He was the hero for Yale in the 2016 NCAA Tourney.
According to ESPN Dailler played in four seasons. Did he get an exemption of some sort?
Quote from: Loose Cannon on March 19, 2017, 10:16:01 AM
I don't know his intentions, But I have my eye on Anthony Dailer
Yale PG 6-6 and 190.
Have no idea what interests on either side.
I don't know much about Dailer, but a 6-6 point guard would be a huge boon to this team. On offense, Rowsey and Howard could play more off the ball which is more natural for them, especially MH. On D we get more length at guard, which will mitigate the struggles of AR and MH to guard one on one.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 19, 2017, 07:10:05 PM
According to ESPN Dailler played in four seasons. Did he get an exemption of some sort?
No. I have no idea why people think Dallier will be playing next season. His eligibility is exhausted. Also, wouldn't be the near the top of my to get list if he were somehow granted an additional year.
Maybe people are getting a year ahead of themselves and a player off?
https://www.google.com/amp/www.midmajormadness.com/platform/amp/2017/2/14/14616238/yale-bulldogs-ivy-league-makai-mason-return-injury-report-graduate-transfer