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Title: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: muguru on March 13, 2017, 08:30:34 PM
Loves the way they shoot it, and really believes they can/will knock off Duke.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on March 13, 2017, 08:44:28 PM
Second that motion.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: MuMark on March 13, 2017, 08:48:35 PM
Was alcohol involved?
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: warriorfred on March 13, 2017, 08:55:57 PM
Eh, it could happen. Assuming the Warriors take care of business against SC. 
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2017, 09:11:26 PM
Quote from: muguru on March 13, 2017, 08:30:34 PM
Loves the way they shoot it, and really believes they can/will knock off Duke.

Cool. He says they'll beat Duke, you say they don't deserve to be in the tournament. Clashing titans in one Scoop OP!
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: Herman Cain on March 13, 2017, 09:17:14 PM
Coach Gillen is up their with Coach Lavin in my pantheon of great coach announcers.

Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: muguru on March 13, 2017, 09:19:21 PM
Quote from: MU82 on March 13, 2017, 09:11:26 PM
Cool. He says they'll beat Duke, you say they don't deserve to be in the tournament. Clashing titans in one Scoop OP!

For the record, at the time I said that, they were playing like crap and at that time were not playing like they deserved to be in the tournament. They righted the ship and earned their way in, even though an argument could be made it should have been much easier then it was after the Nova game, but I don't care how they did it, they did it. That's all that matters. i'll take it.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2017, 09:21:34 PM
Quote from: muguru on March 13, 2017, 09:19:21 PM
For the record, at the time I said that, they were playing like crap and at that time were not playing like they deserved to be in the tournament. They righted the ship and earned their way in, even though an argument could be made it should have been much easier then it was after the Nova game, but I don't care how they did it, they did it. That's all that matters. i'll take it.

Oh I get it. It was much easier to have a knee-jerk reaction in which you tore down the team you profess to love rather than think a little and see that the season actually could still turn out OK.

Then, when the season turns out OK, you can act as though you were with Wojo and the lads all along.

Here's hoping you're not like that with your interpersonal relationships ... if you have any.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: brewcity77 on March 13, 2017, 09:22:24 PM
I'm sure someone is bound to pick us, and on a given night, our shooters could propel us over anyone. But most likely it's a game we lose. They have a ton of length and athleticism. They have multiple scoring options and shooters as well.

If there's anything in our favor, it's that Wojo knows Duke's system inside and out, and my guess is he has spent more time watching Duke this year than K has spent watching us (though that's just a guess). I don't think this team will be afraid, having already knocked off some significant opposition. But if we play them 10 times, my guess is they win 8. Could it happen? Sure. But I wouldn't bet money on it.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: Loose Cannon on March 13, 2017, 09:24:12 PM

A Minute man.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2017, 09:26:26 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 13, 2017, 09:22:24 PM
I'm sure someone is bound to pick us, and on a given night, our shooters could propel us over anyone. But most likely it's a game we lose. They have a ton of length and athleticism. They have multiple scoring options and shooters as well.

If there's anything in our favor, it's that Wojo knows Duke's system inside and out, and my guess is he has spent more time watching Duke this year than K has spent watching us (though that's just a guess). I don't think this team will be afraid, having already knocked off some significant opposition. But if we play them 10 times, my guess is they win 8. Could it happen? Sure. But I wouldn't bet money on it.

Maybe we won't even have to face Duke.

Hell, if Lehigh could beat 'em as a 15 seed back in '12, noble Troy can do it in '17!!
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: Fred Garvin on March 13, 2017, 09:38:53 PM
Favorite line from Pete,Duke is Duke,they're on tv more then leave it to beaver!
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 13, 2017, 09:40:01 PM
I don't like how we match up with Duke at all.

But I like how we match up with Duke more than Arizona and Louisville.   I'd make take Kentucky before Duke.  The length and athleticism of those teams would be a real problem.  Duke isn't quite as long.

We'd probably need to shoot lights out and perhaps get some Duke guys in foul trouble.  But hit 15+ 3s, ya never know.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: wadesworld on March 13, 2017, 09:46:01 PM
I, for one, would just love to see us get the opportunity.

Respect the process.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: buckchuckler on March 13, 2017, 09:53:40 PM
Quote from: MU82 on March 13, 2017, 09:11:26 PM
Cool. He says they'll beat Duke, you say they don't deserve to be in the tournament. Clashing titans in one Scoop OP!

This "I'm a better fan than you" business is getting pretty old to me.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: We R Final Four on March 13, 2017, 09:56:29 PM
Quote from: Henry the 6th Kings on March 13, 2017, 09:38:53 PM
Favorite line from Pete,Duke is Duke,they're on tv more then leave it to beaver!
So close.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2017, 10:20:24 PM
Quote from: buckchuckler on March 13, 2017, 09:53:40 PM
This "I'm a better fan than you" business is getting pretty old to me.

Although I'm not one who makes such proclamations, I do understand and respect your opinion.

I hope you understand and respect that "Fire Wojo" one week followed by "Yay team" the next week has gotten pretty old to me.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 13, 2017, 10:22:07 PM
Quote from: MU82 on March 13, 2017, 10:20:24 PM
Although I'm not one who makes such proclamations, I do understand and respect your opinion.

I hope you understand and respect that "Fire Wojo" one week followed by "Yay team" the next week has gotten pretty old to me.

I am 100% with you here.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 13, 2017, 10:30:33 PM
I truly see no shot we win that and it's not a knock on us.

That team is really good. Really athletic, really big and they can shoot.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: buckchuckler on March 13, 2017, 10:34:22 PM
Quote from: MU82 on March 13, 2017, 10:20:24 PM
Although I'm not one who makes such proclamations, I do understand and respect your opinion.

I hope you understand and respect that "Fire Wojo" one week followed by "Yay team" the next week has gotten pretty old to me.

Completely understand it, not sure why some feel the need to highlight it at every opportunity.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: brewcity77 on March 13, 2017, 10:41:36 PM
Quote from: buckchuckler on March 13, 2017, 10:34:22 PM
Completely understand it, not sure why some feel the need to highlight it at every opportunity.

Mainly because the individual in question is so vociferous after every win or loss, going from MU being seemingly either the best team on the planet or one step away from complete implosion. I'm guessing if he toned down the disparate hyperbole, he wouldn't get criticized for it so frequently.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: Eldon on March 14, 2017, 12:51:09 AM
This

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plus this

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plus this

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equals

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Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 14, 2017, 01:33:25 AM
Quote from: buckchuckler on March 13, 2017, 10:34:22 PM
Completely understand it, not sure why some feel the need to highlight it at every opportunity.

I'm not 82. But my guess is that because the knee jerking was a lot more prevalent and was highlighted at every opportunity.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: MU82 on March 14, 2017, 05:18:59 AM
Quote from: Eldon on March 14, 2017, 12:51:09 AM
This

(https://brobible.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/coach-k-mercer3.jpg?quality=90&w=650)

plus this

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1009015/coachk_1.jpg)

plus this

(http://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2017/01/25/b87876ec-c3cf-40a0-8ead-bd4fab7b8000/thumbnail/770x433/866b1da9eb4b53b97e4c1b17473db5e6/villanovalosestomarquette.jpg)

equals

(https://media.giphy.com/media/HnD7zgAJrmRjO/giphy.gif)

LOVE THIS, Eldon! One of the many, many things that's fun (and mad) about Madness!!!!
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: reinko on March 14, 2017, 06:22:49 AM
Certainly, Duke is Duke...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cjGRqUuIQs
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: hairy worthen on March 14, 2017, 07:30:56 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 13, 2017, 09:22:24 PM
I'm sure someone is bound to pick us, and on a given night, our shooters could propel us over anyone. But most likely it's a game we lose. They have a ton of length and athleticism. They have multiple scoring options and shooters as well.

If there's anything in our favor, it's that Wojo knows Duke's system inside and out, and my guess is he has spent more time watching Duke this year than K has spent watching us (though that's just a guess). I don't think this team will be afraid, having already knocked off some significant opposition. But if we play them 10 times, my guess is they win 8. Could it happen? Sure. But I wouldn't bet money on it.

A 10 seed most likely to lose against a 2 seed. The hell you say. Now there is some perceptive analysis.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: dgies9156 on March 14, 2017, 07:42:07 AM
Look, there is no way in a million years we should beat Duke.

If we played Villanova 10 times this year, we'd probably lose nine times. Same for a lot of other games we played.

But we won against Villanova. We beat Creighton twice. We beat Xavier twice.

Heck, the Cubs won the World Series.

Anything can happen! That's why we play the game
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on March 14, 2017, 07:45:15 AM
They are beatable
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: Coleman on March 14, 2017, 09:29:07 AM
Quote from: buckchuckler on March 13, 2017, 09:53:40 PM
This "I'm a better fan than you" business is getting pretty old to me.

Couldn't agree more
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: thekahoona on March 14, 2017, 09:29:26 AM
If this team decides to play 40 minutes of basketball like they played the last 7 minutes against Villanova, they can make a deep run...but that is a very big "if."

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: MU82 on March 14, 2017, 09:32:38 AM
Quote from: thekahoona on March 14, 2017, 09:29:26 AM
If this team decides to play 40 minutes of basketball like they played the last 7 minutes against Villanova, they can make a deep run...but that is a very big "if."


A team doesn't just "decide" this kind of thing. The opponent has to "decide" to help. I loved the win over Nova (obviously), and I believe it was deserved, but let's not fool ourselves. Nova didn't play very smart down the stretch and they also missed shots they usually make.

It was the same recipe that cost us a couple of games in which we had a good lead - we didn't "decide" to play not as well, it just happened. And our opponents played better. That's sports.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: GGGG on March 14, 2017, 09:36:31 AM
Quote from: Henry the 6th Kings on March 13, 2017, 09:38:53 PM
Favorite line from Pete,Duke is Duke,they're on tv more then leave it to beaver!


Maybe he should up his cultural references by about 30 years.  I don't think I've seen a Leave it to Beaver episode on television for two decades.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: Benny B on March 14, 2017, 10:57:04 AM
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 14, 2017, 09:36:31 AM

Maybe he should up his cultural references by about 30 years.  I don't think I've seen a Leave it to Beaver episode on television for two decades.

All of the episodes can be found online somewhere.  Heck, it's the reason the internet was invented.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: axaguy on March 14, 2017, 11:08:27 AM
Hey, for all of you who follow and attend/watch games you certainly know we have evolved into a typical 3pt shooting team. Yes, we do have some sharp shooters.... More than in recent past seasons and when we get hot (multiple guys, especially) we can take down anyone, despite our porous defense. If NO ONE gets hot or even warm we'll die an ugly death because we won't defend ourselves into competition...just the way it has been and is. Realize that. Foul trouble of key performers plays a vital role, as well. Marcus can't score from the bench, etc...............
Will/should be fun but don't get suicidal over the result by any means. Take one at a time and see what gives.....
We COULD beat Duke but only if we dispense of South Carolina first and we can't afford to be guilty of looking ahead by any means.................
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: GGGG on March 14, 2017, 11:21:05 AM
Quote from: Benny B on March 14, 2017, 10:57:04 AM
All of the episodes can be found online somewhere.  Heck, it's the reason the internet was invented.

Hey bud...Gillen was the one who used "TV."  Not me.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: thekahoona on March 14, 2017, 11:55:25 AM
Quote from: MU82 on March 14, 2017, 09:32:38 AM
A team doesn't just "decide" this kind of thing. The opponent has to "decide" to help. I loved the win over Nova (obviously), and I believe it was deserved, but let's not fool ourselves. Nova didn't play very smart down the stretch and they also missed shots they usually make.

It was the same recipe that cost us a couple of games in which we had a good lead - we didn't "decide" to play not as well, it just happened. And our opponents played better. That's sports.

Sure, of course the opponent gets a vote. But, I think you're missing my point. This team certainly does seem to decide when they are going to turn up their intensity on defense. Our second half collapses throughout the season have almost always been attributable to a loss of that intensity. Not to completely overuse the word "intensity," but defense and rebounding is mostly effort and intensity.

Let me amend my original comment to this: If this team decides to keep the same increased defensive and offensive intensity for the full 40 minutes that they showed in the last 7 minutes against Villanova, they can make a deep run.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: brewcity77 on March 14, 2017, 11:56:35 AM
Quote from: hairy worthen on March 14, 2017, 07:30:56 AM
A 10 seed most likely to lose against a 2 seed. The hell you say. Now there is some perceptive analysis.

Yeah, not exactly rocket science. But one random broadcaster saying we could win a game we're supposed to lose isn't really something to get lathered up about.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: BlindboyPatSmith on March 14, 2017, 12:28:37 PM
Besides beating Duke I - I hope the Warriors BEAT grayson allen
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: hairy worthen on March 14, 2017, 12:44:31 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2017, 11:56:35 AM
Yeah, not exactly rocket science. But one random broadcaster saying we could win a game we're supposed to lose isn't really something to get lathered up about.

Yup.  :)
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 14, 2017, 01:30:18 PM
Lunardi has us beating SC

And says he's tempted to take us over Duke but can't cuz they are basically at home
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on March 14, 2017, 02:16:57 PM
Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on March 14, 2017, 01:30:18 PM
Lunardi has us beating SC

And says he's tempted to take us over Duke but can't cuz they are basically at home
Just saw that..We can keep up with duke
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 14, 2017, 03:14:29 PM
Quote from: buckchuckler on March 13, 2017, 10:34:22 PM
Completely understand it, not sure why some feel the need to highlight it at every opportunity.

To try and get it to stop.  Just like you with your signature line.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: Benny B on March 14, 2017, 11:31:43 PM
Let's not forget that a week ago, Duke was the 5th best team in the ACC and a fringe 4-seed.  One good run and all of the sudden they're a 2-seed?

Bring it.  Most vulnerable 2-seed in the tourney and I want every last piece of them.  Or Troy.  I'd take Troy, too.
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: billyjack on March 15, 2017, 12:23:24 AM
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 14, 2017, 09:36:31 AM

Maybe he should up his cultural references by about 30 years.  I don't think I've seen a Leave it to Beaver episode on television for two decades.

Actually, Gillen said that back in 1997 after his Friars rolled Duke in Round 2 by double-digits, so the Beaver reference made sense.   God Shammgod and Austin Croshere were on that team.   Wojo was on the Duke losers.   Gillen also said "Duke has 5 McDonald's All-Americans... we have guys that eat at McDonald's..."

Tough draw playing a road game against Frank Martin.   You guys can beat any team any time.   You have lights-out shooters.   Just gotta keep Fischer from unnecessary fouls.   Good luck brothers!
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: vogue65 on March 15, 2017, 04:42:08 AM
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 14, 2017, 09:36:31 AM

Maybe he should up his cultural references by about 30 years.  I don't think I've seen a Leave it to Beaver episode on television for two decades.

Have problems with your father?
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: naginiF on March 15, 2017, 08:15:06 AM
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 14, 2017, 11:21:05 AM
Hey bud...Gillen was the one who used "TV."  Not me.
Not speaking for Benny but I believe he was alluding to the more adult remake(s) of Leave it to Beaver
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: Knight Commission on March 15, 2017, 08:54:58 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest-running_U.S._first-run_syndicated_television_series

LITB not on the list. 
Title: Re: Pete Gillen is picking MU to beat Duke
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 15, 2017, 09:03:03 PM
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 14, 2017, 09:36:31 AM

Maybe he should up his cultural references by about 30 years.  I don't think I've seen a Leave it to Beaver episode on television for two decades.

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