Knocking off Bucky would be tremendous.
Dance Hillbilly, dance.
No f**king way.
Go Bucky -- for now.
Stomp that Hillbilly into the ground. May we never see his bald ugly mug again!
Nova will pound either of them. I'm happy!
Buffalo falls into Lake Erie?
Will be rooting for Buzz, no animosity here at all.
Buzz was never unlikable for many. Go get em Buzz!
Quote from: T-Bone on March 12, 2017, 04:45:52 PM
Buffalo falls into Lake Erie?
YES! Just don't take Erie itself.
Buzz was good until he went looney tunes his last year.
Virginia Tech will be my second favorite team for awhile
Buzz will be doing the post game rodent trot
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 12, 2017, 04:44:18 PM
No f**king way.
Go Bucky -- for now.
Stomp that Hillbilly into the ground. May we never see his bald ugly mug again!
Couldn't agree more. The lonesome cowboy likeable? Yeah, just like a wart.
Rooting for Buzz
Cheering for Buzz, expecting Bucky to win.
I'm on team Buzz for one more game.
Rooting for the meteor
Buzz is my favorite post Al era and will be pulling hard for him.
Quote from: Goose on March 12, 2017, 05:21:24 PM
Buzz is my favorite post Al era and will be pulling hard for him.
Right there with you Goose!
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 12, 2017, 04:44:18 PM
No f**king way.
Go Bucky -- for now.
Stomp that Hillbilly into the ground. May we never see his bald ugly mug again!
I assume you don't live in Wisconsin.
Quote from: Litehouse on March 12, 2017, 05:29:33 PM
I assume you don't live in Wisconsin.
Watching the way UW played against UofM today was enough for me to get on the "Go Va. Tech" bandwagon.
Quote from: Goose on March 12, 2017, 05:21:24 PM
Buzz is my favorite post Al era and will be pulling hard for him.
+1
I hope Buzz beats them into submission and then tears his ACL dancing afterwards.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 12, 2017, 05:44:30 PM
I hope Buzz beats them into submission and then tears his ACL dancing afterwards.
Sounds like a good compromise to me.
Quote from: Litehouse on March 12, 2017, 05:29:33 PM
I assume you don't live in Wisconsin.
No, I don't. But I despise the way the Hillbilly left us.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 12, 2017, 05:46:56 PM
No, I don't. But I despise the way the Hillbilly left us.
+1
Hate Brent for the same reason. Hope the earth opens up and swallows him whole.
Obviously hate Becky because they're Becky and their fans are a$$holes.
Nova will clean this mess up on Saturday.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 12, 2017, 05:46:56 PM
No, I don't. But I despise the way the Hillbilly left us.
But he didn't leave. He was shown the door and he walked through it.
dgies
He didn't leave us. MU and Buzz left each other mutually. They wanted him gone more then wanted to be gone.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 12, 2017, 04:56:46 PM
Virginia Tech will be my second favorite team for awhile
Likewise, though without Clarke don't see how they win vs Wisky.
Whatever still love Buzz and wish he was still the coach. No offense to Wojo, of course. First loves and all that.
Cannot wait for the blood bath. I'm hoping VT wins, then gets that ass destroyed by the shitty Big East conference Buzz looked down upon so much.
Cheering hard for Nova to repeat
Quote from: JD on March 12, 2017, 06:09:31 PM
Cannot wait for the blood bath. I'm hoping VT wins, then gets that ass destroyed by the crapty Big East conference Buzz looked down upon so much.
Cheering hard for Nova to repeat
That actually would be the best scenario. Jay is too nice of a coach to take a jab at Buzz and his comments in a post game presser but one can hope.
#TeamBuzz ...through Thursday
Quote from: Goose on March 12, 2017, 06:01:52 PM
dgies
He didn't leave us. MU and Buzz left each other mutually. They wanted him gone more then wanted to be gone.
Perhaps Goose, but in the final stages of a divorce, if you have class, you don't walk out and call your wife a lousy w**re on national television (which is what he did when he blasted us and the Big East). If you have class, you say in the end the situation wasn't right and I hope for the best for Marquette.
If he had any class at all, he would have said, "we had some great times here but nothing is forever." He didn't and I cannot forgive nor will I forget until the only burger boy he encounters is a 16-year-old flipping burgers at McDonalds.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 12, 2017, 06:14:48 PM
Perhaps Goose, but in the final stages of a divorce, if you have class, you don't walk out and call your wife a lousy w**re on national television (which is what he did when he blasted us and the Big East). If you have class, you say in the end the situation wasn't right and I hope for the best for Marquette.
If he had any class at all, he would have said, "we had some great times here but nothing is forever." He didn't and I cannot forgive nor will I forget until the only burger boy he encounters is a 16-year-old flipping burgers at McDonalds.
Exactly.
F**k Buzz.
He was my favorite coach until that point. Now I hope he beats the Vadgers then gets completely f**ked by nova.
dgies
No argument on that. But, he had us as close to being the program I want MU to be since Al. His departure was not pretty and I did not like at all. That said, he was gone after E8 loss and still pissed at both sides of the mess.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 12, 2017, 04:56:46 PM
Virginia Tech will be my second favorite team for awhile
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Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 12, 2017, 06:13:26 PM
#TeamBuzz ...through Thursday
Yep. Buzz did great things for MU then messed us up for a few seasons, but we will be fine.
Bucky always sucks.
The smoke has settled, set up a poll, like Buzz, don't like Buzz.
I vote for Buzz.
Buzz was and has always been likeable. MU basically showed him the door in a classic case of self-righteousness, and politically correct, knee-jerk, overreaction. Amateur hour by BOT and Athletic Department under Pilarz/Larry Williams.
Quote from: Tower913 on March 12, 2017, 06:44:44 PM
Buzz was and has always been likeable. MU basically showed him the door in a classic case of self-righteousness, and politically correct, knee-jerk, overreaction. Amateur hour by BOT and Athletic Department under Pilarz/Larry Williams.
lol riiiiiiiiiiiiiight
Anyone see this picture of buzz? Is he going to make it??
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I hope it goes to 7 overtimes so whoever wins is dead and loses the next game.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 12, 2017, 07:09:22 PM
Anyone see this picture of buzz? Is he going to make it??
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He looks like that every year by March. By August he'll be svelte again if he doesn't keel over while sending the BADgers home.
Quote from: WarriorFan on March 12, 2017, 07:13:51 PM
I hope it goes to 7 overtimes so whoever wins is dead and loses the next game.
Whoever wins is losing the next game, OTs or not....
Quote from: WarriorFan on March 12, 2017, 07:13:51 PM
I hope it goes to 7 overtimes so whoever wins is dead and loses the next game.
Rest assured, even if they dont go to 7 overtimes one of them is getting that a$$ kicked by Nova
And all members of both teams will die eventually, so there's that too.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 12, 2017, 06:14:48 PM
Perhaps Goose, but in the final stages of a divorce, if you have class, you don't walk out and call your wife a lousy w**re on national television (which is what he did when he blasted us and the Big East). If you have class, you say in the end the situation wasn't right and I hope for the best for Marquette.
If he had any class at all, he would have said, "we had some great times here but nothing is forever." He didn't and I cannot forgive nor will I forget until the only burger boy he encounters is a 16-year-old flipping burgers at McDonalds.
Well said.
Quote from: reinko on March 12, 2017, 06:27:23 PM
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If you didn't know, my second favorite team is whoever is playing Wisconsin.
Quote from: Tower913 on March 12, 2017, 06:44:44 PM
Buzz was and has always been likeable. MU basically showed him the door in a classic case of self-righteousness, and politically correct, knee-jerk, overreaction. Amateur hour by BOT and Athletic Department under Pilarz/Larry Williams.
Not really.
Tactical nuke?
If it misses, then Go Buzz.
Buzz > Wojo
Because Buzz got a 9 seed while Wojo could only get a 10.
Almost posted that without teal then became sad when I realized I couldn't.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 12, 2017, 07:49:44 PM
If you didn't know, my second favorite team is whoever is playing Wisconsin.
Actually, there is a tie for my two second-favorite teams, and both happen to be playing Thursday:
Va Tech and Princeton.
Quote from: Goose on March 12, 2017, 05:21:24 PM
Buzz is my favorite post Al era and will be pulling hard for him.
As you and I discussed off line Buzzard has too many warts and weirdness to be likeable. The man did put out a winner though and for that I am grateful.
Always keen to see our former coaches do well. Obviously in the case of Buzz beating the Badgers all the more so.
Quote from: Tower913 on March 12, 2017, 06:44:44 PM
Buzz was and has always been likeable. MU basically showed him the door in a classic case of self-righteousness, and politically correct, knee-jerk, overreaction. Amateur hour by BOT and Athletic Department under Pilarz/Larry Williams.
How's it going Ners?
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 12, 2017, 04:44:18 PM
No f**king way.
Go Bucky -- for now.
Stomp that Hillbilly into the ground. May we never see his bald ugly mug again!
I agree. But VT should win the game. Bad matchup for UW.
Quote from: Tower913 on March 12, 2017, 06:44:44 PM
Buzz was and has always been likeable. MU basically showed him the door in a classic case of self-righteousness, and politically correct, knee-jerk, overreaction. Amateur hour by BOT and Athletic Department under Pilarz/Larry Williams.
I agree with this analysis.
Quote from: brandx on March 12, 2017, 11:11:03 PM
I agree. But VT should win the game. Bad matchup for UW.
UW is favored by 5 on the opening line...
This guy was never likeable. Ever. That dance at WVU was so inappropriate and rude, and classless. How dare the man be joyous in victory. Here's another fun one just posted to Twitter and trending nationally:
https://twitter.com/TeamCoachBuzz/status/841039837985677313?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjc18y&refsrc=email&iid=f93c8d4c6b1e45d0a059b42d745ae218&uid=203183101&nid=244+273096705
And I'd take VaTech and the 5 points..
Quote from: MU82 on March 12, 2017, 10:40:31 PM
Actually, there is a tie for my two second-favorite teams, and both happen to be playing Thursday:
Va Tech and Princeton.
Yes, Princeton. Those Bill Bradley teams were just amazing. Loved it when Princeton and Penn were among the best in the country back in the 60s and 70s.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2017, 06:08:14 PM
Yes, Princeton. Those Bill Bradley teams were just amazing. Loved it when Princeton and Penn were among the best in the country back in the 60s and 70s.
I could give two chits about Bill Bradley ... unless he's gonna get the uni back on and help Princeton take down evil effen ND on Thursday!!!
Quote from: Tower913 on March 13, 2017, 05:54:08 PM
This guy was never likeable. Ever. That dance at WVU was so inappropriate and rude, and classless. How dare the man be joyous in victory. Here's another fun one just posted to Twitter and trending nationally:
https://twitter.com/TeamCoachBuzz/status/841039837985677313?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjc18y&refsrc=email&iid=f93c8d4c6b1e45d0a059b42d745ae218&uid=203183101&nid=244+273096705
And I'd take VaTech and the 5 points..
Hey Ners, what brings you back? Again?
Let's go, Buzz! (Repeated ad infinitum)
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 12, 2017, 05:46:56 PM
No, I don't. But I despise the way the Hillbilly left us.
He left, because he no longer had the support of the administration.
Quote from: HansMoleman on March 12, 2017, 05:18:39 PM
Rooting for the meteor
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Quote from: bilsu on March 13, 2017, 07:30:11 PM
He left, because he no longer had the support of the administration.
He stayed until he wasn't wanted anymore?
Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 12, 2017, 07:14:22 PM
He looks like that every year by March. By August he'll be svelte again if he doesn't keel over while sending the BADgers home.
Thick neck doe, hey?
Quote from: bilsu on March 13, 2017, 07:30:11 PM
He left, because he no longer had the support of the administration.
Who's dat, Ners, hey?
I want Buzz to beat 'em, just to see how much it pisses off Oates, Potrykus, and the like.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 13, 2017, 10:59:34 PM
I want Buzz to beat 'em, just to see how much it pisses off Oates, Potrykus, and the like.
yep
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 13, 2017, 10:59:34 PM
I want Buzz to beat 'em, just to see how much it pisses off Oates, Potrykus, and the like.
Is effen Oates still there? He seemed old when I was a kid reporter in Madison in the mid-80s!!
Quote from: bilsu on March 13, 2017, 07:30:11 PM
He left, because he no longer had the support of the administration.
Because he *felt* he no longer had the support of the administration. Two different things.
I hope Buzz and VaTech take down Bucky. Then, give me one more dance with incensed Bucky fans swearing at him from behind the bench. #Classic
I'd root for Buzz over the Badgers every day of the week and will be on Thursday. VT isn't even a rival, Bucky can get effed.
Hope Buzz blows out UW and then Nova blows out Buzz
Quote from: Tower913 on March 12, 2017, 06:44:44 PM
Buzz was and has always been likeable. MU basically showed him the door in a classic case of self-righteousness, and politically correct, knee-jerk, overreaction. Amateur hour by BOT and Athletic Department under Pilarz/Larry Williams.
I agree with this analysis .
Quote from: Tower913 on March 12, 2017, 06:44:44 PM
Buzz was and has always been likeable. MU basically showed him the door in a classic case of self-righteousness, and politically correct, knee-jerk, overreaction. Amateur hour by BOT and Athletic Department under Pilarz/Larry Williams.
Yeah...no.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 13, 2017, 10:59:34 PM
I want Buzz to beat 'em, just to see how much it pisses off Oates, Potrykus, and the like.
+1 You have just said the one thing that should unite every faction of Scoop.
I can sometimes respect certain players on UW, but never those asshats.
Quote from: Coleman on March 14, 2017, 09:26:03 AM
Hope Buzz blows out UW and then Nova blows out Buzz
This. Buzz gets humiliated by the conference that wasn't good enough for him.
I think we would all spit our beers out laughing if Buzz won versus UW and then...
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Quote from: The Process on March 15, 2017, 09:31:04 PM
I think we would all spit our beers out laughing if Buzz won versus UW and then...
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I think he should go to midcourt and jump around.
Quote from: Tower913 on March 12, 2017, 06:44:44 PM
Buzz was and has always been likeable. MU basically showed him the door in a classic case of self-righteousness, and politically correct, knee-jerk, overreaction. Amateur hour by BOT and Athletic Department under Pilarz/Larry Williams.
Disagree. He was likable and quirky at first, until you realized his entire schtick was just an act and that he was really a self righteous As*909e as an individual.
https://youtu.be/fAM5qah_5os
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2017, 09:51:26 PM
Disagree. He was likable and quirky at first, until you realized his entire schtick was just an act and that he was really a self righteous As*909e as an individual.
Yep. I will never forgive him for making that video about Buzz's Bunch where special needs kids were crying while talking about how much they loved him, when it turned out it was just propaganda for his job search.
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2017, 09:51:26 PM
Disagree. He was likable and quirky at first, until you realized his entire schtick was just an act and that he was really a self righteous As*909e as an individual.
If you are familiar with my posting history, you know I don't suffer self righteous As*909e gladly. But its a trait I can live with re the coach of the team I root for if he knows how to win.
Quote from: The Process on March 15, 2017, 09:31:04 PM
I think we would all spit our beers out laughing if Buzz won versus UW and then...
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What would make that even better is that both Buzz and West Virginia are playing in the same building tomorrow.
I hope the Buzzer wins by 60 points!!! Plenty not to like about him, but he had us on the map for awhile and this fan appreciated that. Looking back 4-5 years ago and remembering that we were close to being the real deal and hoping to get there again.
Good luck, Buzzer. Kick some ass!!
Why must we always revise history?
The BOT replaced the athletic administrators, the administratiors replaced the coach, then the BOT replaced the athletic administrators.
Bush league BOT, go Buzz do your thing. Help underprivileged kids like yourself find their way in life, go where you find love, and beat Nova the ultimate example of prevledge in the BE. BTW, MU as currently constituted is not far behind.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 16, 2017, 08:03:53 AM
Why must we always revise history?
The BOT replaced the athletic administrators, the administratiors replaced the coach, then the BOT replaced the athletic administrators.
Bush league BOT, go Buzz do your thing. Help underprivileged kids like yourself find their way in life, go where you find love, and beat Nova the ultimate example of prevledge in the BE. BTW, MU as currently constituted is not far behind.
Why must we always whitewash history?
There were significant issues with Buzz during his tenure. Do you need me to go over those again? The administration and BOT overreacted. There were problems on both sides.
Hopefully we are in a better place now.
Violation of Rodent Anus is the prime directive......
Then do the Buzz dance at center court.....of course.....
There's an old story which may, in fact, be a joke, about a freshman Democratic Congressman who declares that a Republican across the aisle is "the enemy." A more seasoned Congressman says "Son, the Republicans are the opposition. The Senate is the enemy."
With that in mind,
Hokie Hokie Hokie Hi
Techs, Techs, VPI...
Quote from: vogue65 on March 16, 2017, 08:03:53 AM
Why must we always revise history?
The BOT replaced the athletic administrators, the administratiors replaced the coach, then the BOT replaced the athletic administrators.
Bush league BOT, go Buzz do your thing. Help underprivileged kids like yourself find their way in life, go where you find love, and beat Nova the ultimate example of prevledge in the BE. BTW, MU as currently constituted is not far behind.
You got the replacement order a bit wrong
Hoping Buzz does the "Beer Barrel Polka" across the court in a "cheesehead".
I'm a huge Buzz fan and it goes beyond basketball. He is a good-hearted person.
Go Buzz and go VT!
Quote from: The Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 16, 2017, 08:11:50 AM
Why must we always whitewash history?
There were significant issues with Buzz during his tenure. Do you need me to go over those again? The administration and BOT overreacted. There were problems on both sides.
Hopefully we are in a better place now.
This is correct, many seem to forget what was going on within the program under Buzz. I am proud of the way our university handled the situation after the initial foot fault. Buzz had to go.
The Gym
Had long discussion on that topic last night and do not agree completely with you. If MU felt the program was in a bad place and did not like the direction under Buzz, they have should have fired him ASAP. In today's environment not making swift decisions only leads to bigger problems. If Buzz was bad apple, he should have been removed from his position the first day BOT knew he was bad apple.
Yeah I don't think Buzz "had to go" either. They wanted Buzz to do things differently, some for good reason, but handled it poorly, and he left.
Quote from: Goose on March 16, 2017, 10:42:29 AM
The Gym
Had long discussion on that topic last night and do not agree completely with you. If MU felt the program was in a bad place and did not like the direction under Buzz, they have should have fired him ASAP. In today's environment not making swift decisions only leads to bigger problems. If Buzz was bad apple, he should have been removed from his position the first day BOT knew he was bad apple.
Goose, you might have better information than I do, but my understanding is that Buzz pushed, pushed some more, pushed even harder, and the BOT finally said "no way, Jose" and off he went. They (the BOT) gave in to virtually every demand he made, and I think he decided "what the hell, let's see how far I can push them" and they finally got some back bone and had enough. I know for a certainty that his wife didn't want to leave. Good coach, very weird dude.
I will continue to dislike him for half-assing his final season. Do your job and quit pouting about it. If he left while putting his best effort in, I'd wish him well. He tanked, he didn't care, and that's BS.
Sir Lawrence
Good to hear from you. Agreed on Buzz being a weird dude. You are correct on the pushing part, but the other issues made the pushing unbearable. I think the BOT could have more back bone when other issues came to light and they did not. IMO, they were hypocrites in regards to Buzz.
T Bone
Agreed he tanked his last season. Quite possibly because he gone from MU job a year earlier.
Quote from: Al Davis on March 16, 2017, 09:50:02 AM
I'm a huge Buzz fan and it goes beyond basketball. He is a good-hearted person.
Go Buzz and go VT!
Buzz didn't just win baby his last season - when he totally checked out. He just lost baby. Unforgivable. The real Al Davis would have fired him before the season was over.
And how do you know he is a "good-hearted person"?
Disclosure: I was a big Buzz fan when he was here, am grateful for his contributions to the program and wish things had worked for him to stay. I even defended him on this board for most of his last season here until it became obvious that he didn't give a shyte and couldn't wait to get out.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 16, 2017, 10:47:06 AM
Yeah I don't think Buzz "had to go" either. They wanted Buzz to do things differently, some for good reason, but handled it poorly, and he left.
There were issues under Buzz. Not major issues like Baylor, Tennessee, North Carolina etc but issues.
The administration was heavy handed but not unreasonable in their response.
Buzz had the option to adapt to the changes and make them work. He chose to leave.
Now three years later people on both sides have demonized the other side way more than either deserves.
Quote from: Goose on March 16, 2017, 10:42:29 AM
The Gym
Had long discussion on that topic last night and do not agree completely with you. If MU felt the program was in a bad place and did not like the direction under Buzz, they have should have fired him ASAP. In today's environment not making swift decisions only leads to bigger problems. If Buzz was bad apple, he should have been removed from his position the first day BOT knew he was bad apple.
I agree they should have moved alot quicker than they did. However, I am glad they finally did make a move. Look at what happened to Baylor by letting a certain mentality run throughout the program. Not say we were anywhere near the issues at Baylor, but letting an environment build just makes the problems even bigger.
TAMU
I am sorry, but there either there were issues or there were not issues. Multiple players have mentioned in negative light from the Buzz era and either it is justified or not justified. If justified, they should have been kicked out of school and coach removed that day. If not justified, there show be zero leak on the topic and zero follow up conversation on the topic.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 16, 2017, 11:49:22 AM
There were issues under Buzz. Not major issues like Baylor, Tennessee, North Carolina etc but issues.
The administration was heavy handed but not unreasonable in their response.
Buzz had the option to adapt to the changes and make them work. He chose to leave.
Now three years later people on both sides have demonized the other side way more than either deserves.
Yes, this.
Both sides bear some blame, though I'm not even sure why blame needs to be assigned. At the end of the day, both sides were probably better off moving on and painting one side or the other as the villain is silly and inaccurate.
Quote from: Goose on March 16, 2017, 11:56:17 AM
TAMU
I am sorry, but there either there were issues or there were not issues. Multiple players have mentioned in negative light from the Buzz era and either it is justified or not justified. If justified, they should have been kicked out of school and coach removed that day. If not justified, there show be zero leak on the topic and zero follow up conversation on the topic.
Do you always make the best decision the first time you tackle a particular issue ? In retrospect, do you sometimes wish you had handled it differently, and make a commitment to yourself and others to handle it better the next time?
Correct me if I am wrong, but the Buzz era was the first occasion MU had to deal with this type of squirminess, and at the time, there wasn't even consensus on whether things were squirmy or not. They made what they thought at the time were good decisions. If Wojo did the same things, and they made the same decisions, then I think you would have a case here.
Quote from: Goose on March 16, 2017, 11:56:17 AM
TAMU
I am sorry, but there either there were issues or there were not issues. Multiple players have mentioned in negative light from the Buzz era and either it is justified or not justified. If justified, they should have been kicked out of school and coach removed that day. If not justified, there show be zero leak on the topic and zero follow up conversation on the topic.
???
Is it not possible to have issues that don't quite rise to the level of someone needing to be fired? Zero leak on the subject? That doesn't exist in today's day and age. Vander Blue punching somebody is an issue. But there is no way Buzz should get fired for that nor should Blue get kicked off the team. There is also no way that there would be zero leak on the subject.
Chick
You made my point better than I could make it myself. The lack on consensus on being squirmy or not, is my whole point. As a 53y adult, I have very solid understanding on what squirmy looks like or not. Then if you add in being on BOT or admin at a major Catholic university, the grey area of what is squirmy or not shrinks by a wide margin because you need to error on the side of caution. The lack on consensus would lead "some" outsiders to belief that it likely was not squirmy based on an error on side of caution mentality.
Over the course of Buzz's tenure there either was reason for dismissal or not reason for dismissal. IMO there quite possibly was reason for dismissal and they chose a financial decision over the side of caution mindset.
As for first occasion of squirminess, I am pretty sure you know that there might have been one or a couple hundred previous bouts with squirminess within the program and university as a whole.
TAMU
So, Vander's only issue was punching a guy? If that was the case, I think it is a short conversation.
Quote from: Goose on March 16, 2017, 12:25:17 PM
TAMU
So, Vander's only issue was punching a guy? If that was the case, I think it is a short conversation.
No it wasn't. But I was giving an example of an issue that wouldn't require someone to be fired but also would have leaked.
Buzz pushed the boundaries in some areas. Admin allowed it at first. Then when it caused issues they decided, no more. I think it is fair for a boss to change expectations for an employee. What I don't think would be fair would be to firing an employee for not following expectations before they were expectations.
Quote from: Goose on March 16, 2017, 12:23:27 PM
Over the course of Buzz's tenure there either was reason for dismissal or not reason for dismissal. IMO there quite possibly was reason for dismissal and they chose a financial decision over the side of caution mindset.
This is it for me - the passive aggressive path chosen irritates me....
Pilarz, LW and the BOT messed with happy.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 16, 2017, 02:31:22 PM
Pilarz, LW and the BOT messed with happy.
Not without reason.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 16, 2017, 02:26:08 PM
This is it for me - the passive aggressive path chosen irritates me....
I wouldn't be surprised if the administration was already aware that Buzz's resume was on the street, and they knew if they hung back for a couple of days, they might save the university millions of buyout dollars.
He announced he was leaving 5 days after Selection Sunday, with a contract that had obviously been worked out well before then. This year, IU fired Crean 4 days Selection Sunday. MU couldn't have fired him much faster than he fired himself.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 16, 2017, 02:37:21 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the administration was already aware that Buzz's resume was on the street, and they knew if they hung back for a couple of days, they might save the university millions of buyout dollars.
He announced he was leaving 5 days after Selection Sunday, with a contract that had obviously been worked out well before then. This year, IU fired Crean 4 days Selection Sunday. MU couldn't have fired him much faster than he fired himself.
If things were as terrible as reported, then should have been fired immediately after the elite 8 (or sooner). This would have been preferable to freshman restrictions, 'buzz's tie is too tight' Larry and a million other paper cuts. It was either fireable or not, right?
That would have taken conviction and principle.
Chick
Of course they knew his resume was on the street and have zero problem waiting a few days to save a few mil. Still goes back to did he deserve to be fired at any point of his tenure at MU. If so, you swallow the buyout and you do the right thing. If not, you don't mess with happy.
Quote from: Goose on March 16, 2017, 02:48:53 PM
Chick
Of course they knew his resume was on the street and have zero problem waiting a few days to save a few mil. Still goes back to did he deserve to be fired at any point of his tenure at MU. If so, you swallow the buyout and you do the right thing. If not, you don't mess with happy.
No. Those aren't the only choices.
He didn't deserve to be fired. But that doesn't mean that you can't place parameters on how he operates. You seem to think that you either are completely hands off or you fire the guy. That's not how workplaces work.
Sultan
My family/I have hired and fired people my entire life and I feel very well versed on how to handle a workplace. You are correct, it is not always black and white, and not everything merits firing or a raise. Let's be honest here, if the stuff that got out was true, it probably was beyond the grey area or stuff that got out was inaccurate. I really do not know what is true, but have my gut feeling.
Quote from: Goose on March 16, 2017, 03:10:42 PM
Sultan
My family/I have hired and fired people my entire life and I feel very well versed on how to handle a workplace. You are correct, it is not always black and white, and not everything merits firing or a raise. Let's be honest here, if the stuff that got out was true, it probably was beyond the grey area or stuff that got out was inaccurate. I really do not know what is true, but have my gut feeling.
I know enough about what is true to know that limitations were justified. Now, should the placement of those limitations been handled the way SP and LW handled them? Absolutely not. But that doesn't change that those limitations were justified, and this is why they weren't removed when Wild and Cords were brought back.
https://youtube.com/v/bs-o1OIqbHk
Again, Pilarz was axed, not because of basketball, but because he was rip roaring incompetent in all aspects of running Marquette University, including faith. Larry was a competent administrator, especially in legal matters, but the job was too big for him. Buzz left because his ego became bigger than the university.
Cords knew Buzz was leaving and even foreshadowed it a couple of weeks prior to donors. Buzz won the battle but lost the war. The NIT was not an option.
Marquette is a better place today.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 16, 2017, 09:23:22 PM
Again, Pilarz was axed, not because of basketball, but because he was rip roaring incompetent in all aspects of running Marquette University, including faith. Larry was a competent administrator, especially in legal matters, but the job was too big for him. Buzz left because his ego became bigger than the university.
Cords knew Buzz was leaving and even foreshadowed it a couple of weeks prior to donors. Buzz won the battle but lost the war. The NIT was not an option.
Marquette is a better place today.
Yes, what a cluster f. Kinda points back to the BOT, a'aiaiana?
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 16, 2017, 02:26:08 PM
This is it for me - the passive aggressive path chosen irritates me....
+1000
VT loses to the Badgers, and I no longer like Buzz.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 16, 2017, 09:23:22 PM
Again, Pilarz was axed, not because of basketball, but because he was rip roaring incompetent in all aspects of running Marquette University, including faith. Larry was a competent administrator, especially in legal matters, but the job was too big for him. Buzz left because his ego became bigger than the university.
Cords knew Buzz was leaving and even foreshadowed it a couple of weeks prior to donors. Buzz won the battle but lost the war. The NIT was not an option.
Marquette is a better place today.
If by rip roaring incompetent you mean alcoholic, then yes, he was rip roaring incompetent.
Quote from: Goose on March 16, 2017, 03:10:42 PM
Sultan
My family/I have hired and fired people my entire life and I feel very well versed on how to handle a workplace. You are correct, it is not always black and white, and not everything merits firing or a raise. Let's be honest here, if the stuff that got out was true, it probably was beyond the grey area or stuff that got out was inaccurate. I really do not know what is true, but have my gut feeling.
How foolish of me, I get it, nepotism is the answer. Unlike George Thompson, III poor Buzz did not have the creds. Plenty of coaching families, dental, police, military, academic, political and funeral parlor dynasties out there.
This link covers my perspective perfectly.
https://media.giphy.com/media/IROkeQQXKZFbq/giphy.gif
Quote from: Anti-Dentite on March 17, 2017, 12:02:01 AM
If by rip roaring incompetent you mean alcoholic, then yes, he was rip roaring incompetent.
VERY strong words that I'd be careful throwing around as cavalierly as you are.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 17, 2017, 06:01:13 AM
VERY strong words that I'd be careful throwing around as cavalierly as you are.
It was pretty well known that he liked a drink (or 6). Whether that makes him an alcoholic is up for interpretation, but nobody can deny that he was way out of his depth and an absolutely terrible president.