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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on March 11, 2017, 03:15:46 PM
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I posted this in the Froling thread, but I think it is worthy of fleshing out in its own thread. Assuming status quo, MU will have 6 members of this year's team returning next year. Matt, Sam, Haanif, Duane, Markus, and Andrew. If the article about Sacar is accurate, and he has improved his handle and mid-range game while portraying the opponent's best player for scouting purposes, he will be a solid wing. If Harry is as advertised, i.e. HEllenson-esque, only a year older, stronger, and in better condition, that would mean that MU has a very solid base of 8 experience players. If you believe Buzz, that a team is only as good as what it has coming back, then MU is in solid shape.
Ike, TJ, Cain, and TBD guard. What MU gets from them will be gravy.
My concern for next year is how all of our bigs fit together. MU will have an abundance of size. But one of our bigs (Matt, Ike, TJ, Harry) is going to have to be able to guard on the perimeter and handle the ball and shoot well enough to be one of the 4 in the 4-out-1-in. If none of them can defend in space, or nobody besides Harry can handle well enough to play like Henry did, that would negate all of our size. What it WOULD do is open up the possibility of Cain and Sam starting next to each other at forward with one other big. If that is the case, I look for Ike to redshirt.
My secondary concern is scoring from the 2. I am concerned about starting the minions next to each other game, or alongside Duane for that matter. That means that Haanif or Sacar or TBD has to step up and seize the 2g. Which means that Sacar has to clear his head and raise his game.
My prediction for the starting line up for the first game of the season.... Markus, Andrew, Sam, Cain, Matt.
My prediction for the starting line up for the first conference game.... Harry, Matt, Sam, Minions.
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I think the starting lineup to begin next year will be what we have seen down the stretch this year. Experienced and skilled. I have to see what the newcomers bring to decide whether I think anything changes in the starting lineup throughout the year. I think Rowsey and Marcus have to be on the court together throughout parts of the game because they're our 2 best players so playing them, on average, 20 mpg would be a horrible decision. So you might as well have them both out there to start. They might give up a bit defensively, but the defense hasnt been noticeably worse since both have been starting, in my mind anyway. And heck, the nightmares they create offensively is worth whatever defensive struggles there are because of them both being on the court.
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If Froling is unable to defend a stretch 4 on the perimeter I wouldn't expect to see him and Matt on the floor at the same time much.
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I don't think we will be as good next year as this year. Going to be hard to duplicate the Number 1, 3-point shooting team in the country, and 5th overall in eFG%.
Think Anim may be the key player. If he is markedly improved, we could equal this year's team. I don't see Duane, Haanif, or freshman Cain, Ike, able to exceed/equal what JJJ and Reinhardt contribute - need Anim to step up big time. Also, don't think Froling will be as big of impact player as some seem to think - has a long ways to go in the athletic department. Below the rim player at 6'11". Think Luke is undervalued by some of our fans too.
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I would not be shocked to see another 2 guard come in as grad transfer. Haanif is not the answer there until he develops a right hand and pull-up jumper.
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I would not be shocked to see another 2 guard come in as grad transfer. Haanif is not the answer there until he develops a right hand and pull-up jumper.
Hope so. BPA grad transfer wing that plays D and can fill it up would be ideal.
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I'm cool with Howard/Rowsey at the 1/2 and Cheatham/Anim backing up the 2.
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haanif is a smart guy-his assignment for the off season is learning how do do EVERYTHING with his right hand. he's got to make the left hand jealous of the right-eating, drinking, picking, wiping, shaking, .... and of course dribbling and shooting ;D otherwise it's "oh solo mio"
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I think a grad transfer PF makes a lot of sense. Obvious that playing time would be available.
But I don't think they will need another 2 guard next year. They have Howard, Rowsey, Wilson, Anim, Cheatham, Cain and Hauser playing 1-3. And maybe Elliott. That's plenty.
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I think a grad transfer PF makes a lot of sense. Obvious that playing time would be available.
But I don't think they will need another 2 guard next year. They have Howard, Rowsey, Wilson, Anim, Cheatham, Cain and Hauser playing 1-3. And maybe Elliott. That's plenty.
Getting Elliott would certainly change things.
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I too hope for a pf as a grad transfer
But will also be elated that jjj and fischer are no where to be seen
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I too hope for a pf as a grad transfer
But will also be elated that jjj and fischer are no where to be seen
Please tell us why you'll be elated to never seen Fischer or JJJ? Don't think that's been covered yet.
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I think a lockdown defender grad transfer would be great for next year's squad. A switchable who can guard anyone on the floor regardless of position. Doesn't need to be a scoerer, we have those.
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I'm cool with Howard/Rowsey at the 1/2 and Cheatham/Anim backing up the 2.
Agree, but I think Cheatham also needs to develop a short jumper around the Elbow. I don't think there is a big drop off between the 3 departing players and the incoming players plus Sacar and Cheatham improvement during the off season.
Looking for MU to continue improving in the 2017-18 season.
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I think a lockdown defender grad transfer would be great for next year's squad. A switchable who can guard anyone on the floor regardless of position. Doesn't need to be a scoerer, we have those.
Come to think of it, if Haanif regains his confidence on offense, and continues to improve on defense he could actually fill this role.
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I don't see anyway that Howard and Rowsey are not playing big minutes together next year. Don't kid yourself, MU won't be turning into Virginia next season. The offense will still have to carry this team.
I think Cheatham is at a crossroad. If he is going to be a big minute/high usage guy, he needs to dramatically expand and improve his game this summer. My concern is that improvement didn't happen last summer. So, I'm skeptical. That's not to say he doesn't have a role moving forward. But, it is more likely as an energy guy coming off the bench.
Very interested in seeing how much Sacar has improved. Just body and height-wise, he could give Wojo something he's been missing.
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Have said it a number of times, but think the three guys departing are going to be harder replace than most think. Each one brought a dimension that was a big part of this season. The three of them received a nice number of sotg on this site.
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I don't disagree, Goose. IMO, Katin will be the most difficult. 6'6 who can handle and rain from deep. I think Harry, TJ, and Ike will be more than adequate to fill Luke's role. I think Sacar and Cain will be able to adequately cover what good JjJ brought. But I don't know for sure and I am not convinced you are wrong.
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I really don't know the incoming recruits like I usually do so I decided to google them. Theo John is a big dude, don't know how mobile he is but he may be the long lost 4 we've been waiting for.
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Have said it a number of times, but think the three guys departing are going to be harder replace than most think. Each one brought a dimension that was a big part of this season. The three of them received a nice number of sotg on this site.
I agree with this analysis.
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Have said it a number of times, but think the three guys departing are going to be harder replace than most think. Each one brought a dimension that was a big part of this season. The three of them received a nice number of sotg on this site.
Still have to fill the roster yet to make a judgement.
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We need a grad transfer pogo stick thug 6-9 245 type guy who plays angry. Preferably someone on the fringes of society type personality. The type of player the young guys can see as an anti-hero role model type.
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#20 is on da wrong side of da grass, ai na?
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#20 is on da wrong side of da grass, ai na?
That is what I was thinking but did not want say his name out of respect for the greatest warrior I ever saw.
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haanif is a smart guy-his assignment for the off season is learning how do do EVERYTHING with his right hand. he's got to make the left hand jealous of the right-eating, drinking, picking, wiping, shaking, .... and of course dribbling and shooting ;D otherwise it's "oh solo mio"
This is true. But it also was true at this point last season.
Many of us said that Haani seemed to be an intelligent, dedicated guy and speculated that he would dedicate his offseason toward developing a mid-range game and the ability to use his RH more.
He still has time to resurrect his career, but now it's a matter of "We'll see."
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Have said it a number of times, but think the three guys departing are going to be harder replace than most think. Each one brought a dimension that was a big part of this season. The three of them received a nice number of sotg on this site.
Agree.
Each of them drove us batty at times, but each had the ability to take over games and each brought something unique that nobody else on the team did.
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Would love to see us continue to use the redshirt option for players. It's a chance for guys to adapt
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I don't think we will be as good next year as this year. Going to be hard to duplicate the Number 1, 3-point shooting team in the country, and 5th overall in eFG%.
Think Anim may be the key player. If he is markedly improved, we could equal this year's team. I don't see Duane, Haanif, or freshman Cain, Ike, able to exceed/equal what JJJ and Reinhardt contribute - need Anim to step up big time. Also, don't think Froling will be as big of impact player as some seem to think - has a long ways to go in the athletic department. Below the rim player at 6'11". Think Luke is undervalued by some of our fans too.
After seeing an interview with Froling, the one point that he made was, "I want to be a pro", in saying that he must believe he has the talent to do that. If he can average 10 points or more a game, MU will be as good as they are this year as I believe Heldt will 5-10% percent better. Maybe average 4-6 a game. John will be
gravy then no matter what he brings to the table. If he can play D, be strong enough in his post defense, he will add something that they do not have this year. Yes,
they will miss JJJ and Reinhardt scoring but Anim and Cain hopefully can improve on the weak D those 2 seniors brought to the table. MU still will be able to score with
what they have, and Cain in his videos shows a player that can put the ball in the basket. Not sure about Anim, maybe the year off helped his outside game. Now
Cheatham will be the X factor. How much does he want it, we will see. DWilson really should be a back-up guard again next year. Playing 3 guards like this year is
again against a team playing good D with those 2 pigmys out there. Way to small. Different make-up next year, but should be better defensively and the offense will
be OK. The last point is that Froling has lost 23 pounds already, so he is being serious about getting into shape. I am sure he will get to 240, then it is a matter of
getting stronger.
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Expectations for next year will be very interesting. Losing three seniors that have played a lot of minutes will do that. Here are the positives and negatives I see:
Positives
- Our top three long-range shooters in terms of percentage and makes are all back, we should still be an elite team from range.
- We will have more length and athleticism, especially inside, where I believe Froling, John, and Eke will improve on the loss of Luke from a defensive perspective.
- Anim and Cain should provide the ability to get to the rim, which has been at times difficult this year.
- Rowsey's presence will prevent teams from focusing completely on Markus, which should help him avoid some of the wall that Cheatham hit this year.
Negatives
- No established late-game option with Reinhardt leaving. I could see Duane, Markus, or Rowsey in that role, but it still has to be established.
- Defensively, while we won't miss JJ's man defense, we will miss his ability to force turnovers. He has keyed much of our transition, and no one is close to his ability to do that. It will need to be replaced.
- We are losing 40% of our raw scoring. While we still have weapons, that's a lot of points (over 1,000) that need to be replaced.
- Luke is our only real low-post scoring threat. Hopefully Heldt, Froling, and John can help replace that, but losing one of the most efficient scorers in the league is still a big void.
All in all, I think we'll be about the same. There will be a lot of adjustment in November and December as guys adjust to being the focus of the scouting report, and as we integrate likely at least 4 new faces to the rotation (Anim, Cain, Froling, John) and maybe five if we have a grad transfer.
There's also the transfer question, will Duane be back after dealing with a diminished role? I've heard mixed reports on this. I hope he's back and think he could be a great senior leader, but he's probably at best the third scoring option returning.
I expect that come next March, we'll be sitting in about the same position. Within 2-3 lines of the bubble and around the middle of the league.
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I agree with this analysis.
Well, I'm glad to hear that from you. That's all I needed.