Nobody wants Marquette to Dance more than I. But I am astonished at the presumption of many that we are guaranteed a spot in the Tourney.
Frankly, there is a very real chance we won't hear our name called on Sunday. Today was important and we failed to answer the call. I want Marquette to make the Show but know that we might very well we disappointed.
Reading Scoop is like taking in the Literary Digest poll predicting Alf Landon.
We aren't predicting Marquette in the tournament. 120 of the 121 models polled by the Bracket Matrix are. It has nothing to do with hubris. It has everything to do with looking at the evidence.
Marquette may not be called. But it would be unprecedented in a way. In the last five years, no team listed on that high a percentage of brackets has not been included.
Well George Gallup was right and old Alf lost to FDR. You may also be right on our chances for a bid. You are entitled to your opinion. But unlike GG'S scientific polling are your thoughts not just another opinion? No more no less?
i totally understand where our fellow "top gunner" is coming from and respect his position. would have been nice for a couple of "daggers"-read. a couple more wins in the beast. if other tournament underdogs climb back into the ring, TCU, indiana(GASP!!) et.al. that joey l. wasn't counting on, someone gets the "thanks for playing" phone call, aheyn"a?
side note-keefe, i moved to surprise, about 5 minutes from lukes-absolutely tits watching you guys fly over my roof top!! how do they like their coffee?? sorry, about 10-15 years too late for a backyard show from my lovely bride however ;D
One item is being missed by those looking at the "models" and feel it is a lock. Those models will change many times over next 48 hours. I mentioned yesterday that I thought we were 99.5% lock prior to yesterday's game and now much less.
It really is too bad that the team couldn't have closed the deal yesterday and take away any doubt. It would not shock me if MU's name is left off the list on Sunday.
Quote from: Goose on March 10, 2017, 05:05:28 AM
One item is being missed by those looking at the "models" and feel it is a lock. Those models will change many times over next 48 hours. I mentioned yesterday that I thought we were 99.5% lock prior to yesterday's game and now much less.
It really is too bad that the team couldn't have closed the deal yesterday and take away any doubt. It would not shock me if MU's name is left off the list on Sunday.
completely agree-i wouldn't be doing the "happy dance" just yet although, just to be clear, i am as big a fan as ya'll and hope this is the start of another run with wojo to the next level, but...picked a bad time to stop sniffing glue...
Quote from: Class71 on March 10, 2017, 04:18:18 AM
Well George Gallup was right and old Alf lost to FDR. You may also be right on our chances for a bid. You are entitled to your opinion. But unlike GG'S scientific polling are your thoughts not just another opinion? No more no less?
We were pretty sure, that you know who, was a lock based on scientific polling to be our current President and we all know how that turned out.
A crow in hand is worth two in the bush.
Quote from: Goose on March 10, 2017, 05:05:28 AM
One item is being missed by those looking at the "models" and feel it is a lock. Those models will change many times over next 48 hours. I mentioned yesterday that I thought we were 99.5% lock prior to yesterday's game and now much less.
It really is too bad that the team couldn't have closed the deal yesterday and take away any doubt. It would not shock me if MU's name is left off the list on Sunday.
Goose and Keefe, I love when you guys post on Scoop, but this thread is a bit of a head scratcher for me. You guys fail to cite any sources in support of your concern when there is overwhelming evidence out there that we are still a lock. See Lunardi. Frankly, last night was hugely beneficial as nearly all the bubble teams took it on the chin. Yes, a win would have likely given us a 10 seed or higher. Now we're still in play for a 10, more probabe an 11 with the chance of being shipped off to Dayton. What we're talking about here is one more win against a team that's a little better than us followed by us being throttled by 30--it's not like we lost to DePaul or St Johns again. The optics of 20 wins are an illusion this year. Several teams will get in with fewer.
Left unsaid here is perspective. Because of the new NBA CBA, many left early in the past couple of years to cash in who may not have been ready, depleting the college ranks of young talent. Transfers and graduate transfers moved from mid and low majors up to fill voids. Result, no clear elite teams, softest bubble in years, no bevy of bid stealers, a lot of parity/mediocrity.
Constrast that with MU tradionalists posting here, who don't see a NCAA quality team.
End of the day, MU is in, as imperfect as it is. Embrace it.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 10, 2017, 06:39:18 AM
Left unsaid here is perspective. Because of the new NBA CBA, many left early in the past couple of years to cash in who may not have been ready, depleting the college ranks of young talent. Transfers and graduate transfers moved from mid and low majors up to fill voids. Result, no clear elite teams, softest bubble in years, no bevy of bid stealers, a lot of parity/mediocrity.
Constrast that with MU tradionalists posting here, who don't see a NCAA quality team.
End of the day, MU is in, as imperfect as it is. Embrace it.
That's a really good point. Kids are even leaving early now simply to play pro ball either in the D League or Europe. Vander is a great example of that in MU's recent past.
Scoop is the best. Every time MU reaches whatever goal posters say MU needs to reach to make the Tourney the goalposts get shifted and MU just didn't get it done when the opportunity presented itself.
MU is dancing.
Folks
I think they are in, but things can still happen. A win yesterday would have taken away any doubt I have now. Would say I am 80% confident they are in. My only point is I would not be completely shocked if it went against them after yesterday's loss.
Quote from: keefe on March 10, 2017, 02:07:08 AM
Nobody wants Marquette to Dance more than I. But I am astonished at the presumption of many that we are guaranteed a spot in the Tourney.
Frankly, there is a very real chance we won't hear our name called on Sunday. Today was important and we failed to answer the call. I want Marquette to make the Show but know that we might very well we disappointed.
I have to agree.
There was one year in the early to mid 90's when we were firmly on the bubble. Not only did we get left out, the NIT snubbed us, too. I pray we don't have a repeat.
Really ironic that keefe is the one talking about hubris.
Quote from: Class71 on March 10, 2017, 04:18:18 AM
Well George Gallup was right and old Alf lost to FDR. You may also be right on our chances for a bid. You are entitled to your opinion. But unlike GG'S scientific polling are your thoughts not just another opinion? No more no less?
apples to oranges.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 10, 2017, 06:59:05 AM
Really ironic the keefe is the one talking about hubris.
That is one solid point right there.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 10, 2017, 06:48:30 AM
Scoop is the best. Every time MU reaches whatever goal posters say MU needs to reach to make the Tourney the goalposts get shifted and MU just didn't get it done when the opportunity presented itself.
MU is dancing.
And that is another. Keefe was talking about a mediocre product just a couple of weeks ago. Mediocre teams don't make the NCAA. So time to move the goalpost!!!
They may be in..but avoiding Dayton is the key.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 10, 2017, 06:59:05 AM
Really ironic the keefe is the one talking about hubris.
Yup. +1
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 10, 2017, 06:59:05 AM
Really ironic the keefe is the one talking about hubris.
Hah good one to wake up to.
The posts that I'm reading on here seem to be saying "I don't think we hear our name called but just so nobody can say I told you so I'm going to say I hope we do"
Looking at facts and using deductive reasoning is not hubris. Yes there is a chance we could get left out. There's also a chance Nova could get left out. Now obviously their case is a lot more solid than ours but the point is you can't take the human element out of the decision. Of course, the human element could also mean we are sitting at 7 seed right now and are worrying for nothing.
Given that the human element of the committee is just as likely to overseed us as underseed us, all we are left with is the cold hard facts. The facts are:
Over 99% of bracketologists (including Lunardi, historically the most accurate) think that there are currently 7 or 8 teams between us and the bubble.
Included in those 7 or 8 teams is 4 teams who have already lost their last game. Ergo, they would be sacrificed to the NIT before us.
The top 4 teams on the outside of the bubble include 3 more sitting ducks. Meaning that 3 of the most likely candidates to take us out of the tournament cannot imporve their resumes any further.
To demonstrate how much distance there is between Marquette and the First Four Out, one simply needs to look at Illinois. A 17 win team, with a losing conference record from a weak B!G, with a worse RPI than Marquette, a KP score almost 40 points lowers, 5 less top 50 wins, a loss to Rutgers, and 2 losses to Penn State.
So given that there is only 1 team in the next four out that is still alive, and there are 4 teams behind Marquette that can't improve their resumes anymore, that gives us a pretty healthy buffer.
There are three teams in the Next Four Out that are still alive. Keep in mind that these are teams with resumes worse than Illinois, so they have a lot of distance to cover. I'm not sure any of them can catch Marquette without winning their conference tournaments.
So that leaves bid thieves. There are 6 conferences capable of producing bid thief from Marquette. At this point, four bid thieves would have to occur to push Marquette out. That number will go up if teams behind us like X, Vandy, Rhode Island, and K-State lose.
All this to say, the facts paint a pretty good picture. Yes there is a human element that can't be predicted. But we have set ourselves up in a pretty good position. Barring a lot of things going against us, we will either be in the tournament or one of the bigger snubs in tournament history.
When I saw the title of this thread I thought it would be about Syracuse.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 10, 2017, 07:32:07 AM
Hah good one to wake up to.
The posts that I'm reading on here seem to be saying "I don't think we hear our name called but just so nobody can say I told you so I'm going to say I hope we do"
Gotta cover their butts that way they can say they were right but they were skeptical.
Or I was skeptical, I was just hopeful!
It's the "I'm not saying, I'm just saying" of Scoop.
Look here is who is behind us right now in the latest Bracket Matrix:
Seton Hall: Beat MU yesterday, plays Nova in semis
Michigan Sate: Won yesterday, plays Minnesota in quaters.
Xavier: Beat Butler, plays Creighton in semis.
Wake Forest: Lost to VPI
USC: Lost to UCLA
Middle Tennessee: Won yesterday, plays UTEP in semis
Vanderbilt: Won yesterday, plays Florida in quarters.
Syracuse: Lost
Rhode Island: Plays St. Bonaventure in quaters.
Here is who is out:
Kansas State: Beat Baylor in quarters, plays West Virginia in semis
Illinois State: Done
Illinois: Lost to Michigan
Iowa: Lost to Indiana
Houston: Plays UConn in quarters
Cal: Plays Oregon in semis
Georgia: Plays Kentucky in quarters.
Houston and Georgia pretty much have to win their tournaments to get in. Cal might be able to sneak in with a win today and a loss to UCLA. Kansas State put itself in good position by beating Baylor, but would likely be in if they beat West Virginia.
Furthermore, if you look at the Bracket Matrix even further, only 19 of the 121 have MU as an 11 or 12 seed. 101 brackets have MU as a 10 or better.
IMO, it would take a monumental number of upsets and unexpected tourney runs for us to even come close to being on the bubble. And even then, there are other schools that should be way more nervous than Marquette.
Vinnie, sill must be sleepy. X beat Butler.
Quote from: nyg on March 10, 2017, 07:52:23 AM
Vinnie, sill must be sleepy. X beat Butler.
Yep. Corrected. Thanks.
After the Georgetown game, a LOT of people thought MU needed to win 4 more games between the 5 remaining regular season games and the BET to get into the tournament. They did. Some of those same people still think MU is out of the tournament.
These are your trolls.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=53501.0;all (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=53501.0;all)
Despite what I posted above, I do see how Marquette could be playing in Dayton however.
If the committee values RPI more than other metrics, and if MSU, Xavier, Vandy keep winning, it is very possible that we will be playing early next week. Right now I put the chance at 35%.
But I only put it at about 5% that we are out entirely.
"It is only hubris if you fail." J. Cesare
Thinking that Marquette is going to make the tournament doesn't take nearly as much hubris as posting nude photos of your fellow Marines on social media even after you have been busted.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/08/politics/marines-united-photos-investigation/
Yes, yes, Marquette is in the dance.
I mean, to miss it now is like being up 9 points with 50 seconds to go, then losing!
Stuff like that never happens to MU.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 10, 2017, 08:22:36 AM
Yes, yes, Marquette is in the dance.
I mean, to miss it now is like being up 9 points with 50 seconds to go, then losing!
Stuff like that never happens to MU.
Ha! >:(
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 10, 2017, 08:22:36 AM
Yes, yes, Marquette is in the dance.
I mean, to miss it now is like being up 9 points with 50 seconds to go, then losing!
Stuff like that never happens to MU.
So doable?
I'm not going to get worried about making it until I start seeing all the cryptic donedeal haikus.
Quote from: keefe on March 10, 2017, 02:07:08 AM
Nobody wants Marquette to Dance more than I. But I am astonished at the presumption of many that we are guaranteed a spot in the Tourney.
Frankly, there is a very real chance we won't hear our name called on Sunday. Today was important and we failed to answer the call. I want Marquette to make the Show but know that we might very well we disappointed.
Can you or Goose point to a single college basketball expert that says we are not in? All fans are doing is responding to the information given, what they see (the eye test), what the numbers tell us. We all learned in November that anything can happen, but this isn't an act of Hubris. Fans are nervous, uptight, but the unanimous consensus is we go to the dance. Even the November election there were some (few) pundits that picked the eventual winner, but there are no such experts that say we are not in. Not that I can find anyway.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 10, 2017, 06:12:08 AM
We were pretty sure, that you know who, was a lock based on scientific polling to be our current President and we all know how that turned out.
A crow in hand is worth two in the bush.
Even then, there were those that said he would win in the last few days. Can anyone here name as single college basketball expert that says MU is not in the tournament?
Calling Keefe a "troll" for expressing concern is so odd. Do you think Our athletic department is already making travel plans? I sincerely doubt it. Maybe Velasquez was trolling when he tweeted about Sunday being a "long day" for Marquette.
We all hope we get in. I'd be surprised and disappointed if we don't. We are not "a lock."
Quote from: slack00 on March 10, 2017, 07:56:49 AM
After the Georgetown game, a LOT of people thought MU needed to win 4 more games between the 5 remaining regular season games and the BET to get into the tournament. They did. Some of those same people still think MU is out of the tournament.
These are your trolls.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=53501.0;all (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=53501.0;all)
Can we get to a point where we don't assume that someone who disagrees with us is a troll? Having a 19 win season does leave room for doubt, even though most predictions have us in. That's a reasonable opinion. Some people are more prone to pessimism, some to optimism, regardless of the facts in front of them.
It's posts like this that make Scoop unreadable, IMO. This board becomes a pissing match (for lack of a better term) way too often. It's tiring to read posts of people trying to one-up each other instead of talking about basketball.
4or5
Where did I say we were not in? I simply stated the odds got slightly smaller after yesterdays game. I think if you 100% believe a 19-12 is a lock there is something wrong with college basketball or you are kidding yourself. Again, they very likely are in and I hope they are in.
Keefe is not a troll. Trolls are people who say something for the sake of affect. MUFINY is a troll.
Keefe isn't even in the same boat as people who only show up here when things are bad. Like the Dark Glasses guy. Or hotdog. Etc, etc, etc. Those guys are annoying because they are always negative and only bother participating in the community when they have something negative to say. I don't pay much attention to those kind of people in real life, so I'm not going to pay attention to them now.
Keefe is merely a condescending assbag.
Perhaps besides a troll thread, there can be a Debbie Downer thread, or Negative Nancy thread, or "Frequent Irrational amounts of anticipatory fear" thread or "Overreact to every not ideal outcome" thread
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 10, 2017, 08:22:36 AM
Yes, yes, Marquette is in the dance.
I mean, to miss it now is like being up 9 points with 50 seconds to go, then losing!
Stuff like that never happens to MU.
Exactly.
Count the chickens once they hatch. Almost every year there is some snub a la "what?!?
we didn't get into the Dance, but
they did?!?!?" Off the top of my head, Temple, Virginia Tech, and Florida State come to mind (going back to the past 5-10 years or so) as teams that had "their bid" stolen ("stolen") by some seemingly less-deserving team.
Quote from: CreanLover on March 10, 2017, 06:57:07 AM
I have to agree.
There was one year in the early to mid 90's when we were firmly on the bubble. Not only did we get left out, the NIT snubbed us, too. I pray we don't have a repeat.
Respectfully disagree. The only year in the entire decade when we had a winning record in which we didn't go to the NCAA or NIT was 1991-92. That team was 16-13, that is not a firmly on the bubble team. According to this site, that team was ranked 121st. Not NIT worthy either. http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/marquette/1992-schedule.html
Quote from: Goose on March 10, 2017, 08:48:23 AM
4or5
Where did I say we were not in? I simply stated the odds got slightly smaller after yesterdays game. I think if you 100% believe a 19-12 is a lock there is something wrong with college basketball or you are kidding yourself. Again, they very likely are in and I hope they are in.
There is something wrong with college basketball. It isn't as good as it used to be. Neither of us are kidding ourselves there. But the criteria is who is good enough this year, not comparing to what college teams were like 20 years ago or even 10 years ago. Is there a single college basketball expert or rating system that says we are out?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 10, 2017, 06:12:08 AM
We were pretty sure, that you know who, was a lock based on scientific polling to be our current President and we all know how that turned out.
A crow in hand is worth two in the bush.
There are no electoral votes for spots in the NCAA tourney that I am aware of, else the Presidential Polls were spot on.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 10, 2017, 08:49:34 AM
Keefe is not a troll. Trolls are people who say something for the sake of affect. MUFINY is a troll.
Keefe is merely a condescending assbag.
When did it become cool to attack people here?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 10, 2017, 06:39:18 AM
Left unsaid here is perspective. Because of the new NBA CBA, many left early in the past couple of years to cash in who may not have been ready, depleting the college ranks of young talent. Transfers and graduate transfers moved from mid and low majors up to fill voids. Result, no clear elite teams, softest bubble in years, no bevy of bid stealers, a lot of parity/mediocrity.
Constrast that with MU tradionalists posting here, who don't see a NCAA quality team.
End of the day, MU is in, as imperfect as it is. Embrace it.
Maybe you're right. Maybe this explains my fear that MU's name will not be called on Sunday.
In any case, if MU has to play in Dayton, that is a truly a travesty that would have likely been avoided had MU beaten the Hall in the BE tourney.
I hate the play-in round. I am probably alone in this, but if a team goes to Dayton and loses, there should be an asterisk next to that team's name as a team that "almost" made the tourrney. Dayton, as I see it, is like a Wild Card play-in game: yes you technically made the post-season, but no you technically didn't make the post-season.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 10, 2017, 08:45:31 AM
Can we get to a point where we don't assume that someone who disagrees with us is a troll? Having a 19 win season does leave room for doubt, even though most predictions have us in. That's a reasonable opinion. Some people are more prone to pessimism, some to optimism, regardless of the facts in front of them.
It's posts like this that make Scoop unreadable, IMO. This board becomes a pissing match (for lack of a better term) way too often. It's tiring to read posts of people trying to one-up each other instead of talking about basketball.
I was actually agreeing with him. The original poster was not in that thread.
This is all interesting but if someone could just tell me if I'm supposed to root for Xavier or Creighton tonight then I can stop reading. I'm thinking Xavier because that means the Big East almost certainly gets 7 bids but if X makes the final do they move ahead of us in seeding?
Quote from: Eldon on March 10, 2017, 08:51:12 AM
Exactly.
Count the chickens once they hatch. Almost every year there is some snub a la "what?!? we didn't get into the Dance, but they did?!?!?" Off the top of my head, Temple, Virginia Tech, and Florida State come to mind (going back to the past 5-10 years or so) as teams that had "their bid" stolen ("stolen") by some seemingly less-deserving team.
And all those teams were considered last four in going into the conference tournaments. We don't sit in that situation.
Quote from: 4or5yearstojudge on March 10, 2017, 08:51:44 AM
Respectfully disagree. The only year in the entire decade when we had a winning record in which we didn't go to the NCAA or NIT was 1992-93. That team was 16-13, that is not a firmly on the bubble team. According to this site, that team was ranked 121st. Not NIT worthy either. http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/marquette/1992-schedule.html
You're thinking of 91-92, we made the tournament in 92-93
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 10, 2017, 08:59:16 AM
You're thinking of 91-92, we made the tournament in 92-93
Yes, thank you. I linked the correct season, but typed the wrong year. Will fix it.
Quote from: 4or5yearstojudge on March 10, 2017, 08:54:24 AM
There is something wrong with college basketball. It isn't as good as it used to be. Neither of us are kidding ourselves there. But the criteria is who is good enough this year, not comparing to what college teams were like 20 years ago or even 10 years ago. Is there a single college basketball expert or rating system that says we are out?
There is more parity than there has even been, which is a good thing for the sport and what makes the tournament so much fun. Yes, we're 19-12 but we've also shown that we can beat the best team in the country on the right night.
I hate the play in round and will be pissed if we end up there. They should either leave the tournament at 64, do a full expansion to 96 and give higher seeds byes, or have play ins at 15/16 seed level and let more at large teams in. The current system makes no sense.
Quote from: frozena pizza on March 10, 2017, 09:03:54 AM
I hate the play in round and will be pissed if we end up there. They should either leave the tournament at 64, do a full expansion to 96 and give higher seeds byes, or have play ins at 15/16 seed level and let more at large teams in. The current system makes no sense.
I hear you but this year I will take what we can get.
Then again it will stink to pick "play in winner" to the sweet 16 for my unrealistic MU pick
Quote from: CreanLover on March 10, 2017, 08:41:26 AM
Calling Keefe a "troll" for expressing concern is so odd. Do you think Our athletic department is already making travel plans? I sincerely doubt it. Maybe Velasquez was trolling when he tweeted about Sunday being a "long day" for Marquette.
We all hope we get in. I'd be surprised and disappointed if we don't. We are not "a lock."
Considering there is no way possible to know where we will be playing next week, I would hope our athletic department isn't booking hotels anywhere right now.
Quote from: Eldon on March 10, 2017, 08:56:35 AM
Maybe you're right. Maybe this explains my fear that MU's name will not be called on Sunday.
In any case, if MU has to play in Dayton, that is a truly a travesty that would have likely been avoided had MU beaten the Hall in the BE tourney.
I hate the play-in round. I am probably alone in this, but if a team goes to Dayton and loses, there should be an asterisk next to that team's name as a team that "almost" made the tourrney. Dayton, as I see it, is like a Wild Card play-in game: yes you technically made the post-season, but no you technically didn't make the post-season.
A travesty? Come on...
Quote from: frozena pizza on March 10, 2017, 08:57:30 AM
This is all interesting but if someone could just tell me if I'm supposed to root for Xavier or Creighton tonight then I can stop reading. I'm thinking Xavier because that means the Big East almost certainly gets 7 bids but if X makes the final do they move ahead of us in seeding?
Xavier is in, but behind us with an opportunity to jump us in seeding. Creighton is ahead of us regardless. So we want Creighton.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 10, 2017, 08:49:59 AM
Perhaps besides a troll thread, there can be a Debbie Downer thread, or Negative Nancy thread, or "Frequent Irrational amounts of anticipatory fear" thread or "Overreact to every not ideal outcome" thread
Good idea. I will add threads for the "Slurpers", "Fellatiors", "Teabaggers" and "Murky Middlers" too. Then we can give each other a "Wisconsin Handshake".
Quote from: wadesworld on March 10, 2017, 09:14:51 AM
Considering there is no way possible to know where we will be playing next week, I would hope our athletic department isn't booking hotels anywhere right now.
Hell, I have 7 hotels booked right now. Just have to make sure I cancel 6 of them before Wednesday afternoon.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 10, 2017, 09:05:22 AM
I hear you but this year I will take what we can get.
Then again it will stink to pick "play in winner" to the sweet 16 for my unrealistic MU pick
Well we have already seen a play in winner make a Final Four, so...
People feel that the 20 win plateau is an important one , whether actual or psychological.
Hopefully, all marquette fans know that mike broeker and the basketball office only scheduled marquette for 30 regular season games this year, despite the ncaa allowing us 31. Would another victory help us right about now? I sure think so. This coupled with the pathetic ooc strength of schedule and the amount of 300 + rpi buy games is really beyond pathetic. It is My hope that all mu alums reach out to our AD and mike broeker and express their dissatisfaction with the disservice they did for this team.
Looks like Scoop is boiling down into to categories:
1. Those that believe MU is dancing based off of projections that are loudly in MU's favor.
2. Those that believe MU is not dancing based off of the 'eye test' by not beating SH yesterday.
You should be in the first category, the second category is a bad look.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 10, 2017, 09:35:06 AM
My hope that all mu alums reach out to our AD and mike broeker and express their dissatisfaction with the disservice they did for this team.
Yes! About time for a Scoop letter writing campaign. Also let's get the Fan Advisory Council on this too!
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 10, 2017, 09:35:06 AM
People feel that the 20 win plateau is an important one , whether actual or psychological.
Hopefully, all marquette fans know that mike broeker and the basketball office only scheduled marquette for 30 regular season games this year, despite the ncaa allowing us 31. Would another victory help us right about now? I sure think so. This coupled with the pathetic ooc strength of schedule and the amount of 300 + rpi buy games is really beyond pathetic. It is My hope that all mu alums reach out to our AD and mike broeker and express their dissatisfaction with the disservice they did for this team.
This narrative again? Hasn't brew destroyed this already, several times.
Frenns
For whatever reason this season I have seen more attacks than previous years. It is funny, I know I piss some folks off on here, but never felt attacks towards me were meant to be hurtful or personal. That to say, this year it seems to be personal and a pissing match. Really takes away any interest in sharing opinions or asking questions.
Cracks me up, a couple times on this thread I was mentioned implying I thought MU would not get a bid. I never said anything of the sort and only stated a win yesterday would have been a great help in making Sunday less stressful. Would be nice if folks read posts before assuming things.
Quote from: Goose on March 10, 2017, 09:39:42 AM
Frenns
For whatever reason this season I have seen more attacks than previous years. It is funny, I know I piss some folks off on here, but never felt attacks towards me were meant to be hurtful or personal. That to say, this year it seems to be personal and a pissing match. Really takes away any interest in sharing opinions or asking questions.
Cracks me up, a couple times on this thread I was mentioned implying I thought MU would not get a bid. I never said anything of the sort and only stated a win yesterday would have been a great help in making Sunday less stressful. Would be nice if folks read posts before assuming things.
I don't know that it is "attacks" per say goose.
But some posters are so negative and are constantly degrading either Wojo, the program, or a single player (see sandknitwit) that it is tiring. Yes. Everyone is welcome to their opinion! But a constant negative narriative is exactly that, constantly negative. People want to talk basketball yet some want to talk how crappy everything is all the time with a negative tone.
Also, I believe someone said if MU played in Dayton it would be a travesty.
Serious question: would you rather play in Dayton or in the NIT?
Sweet fancy moses.
The most significant evidence that MU is NOT making the tournament is this thread .. it could only happen in the off-season.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 10, 2017, 09:35:06 AM
People feel that the 20 win plateau is an important one , whether actual or psychological.
Hopefully, all marquette fans know that mike broeker and the basketball office only scheduled marquette for 30 regular season games this year, despite the ncaa allowing us 31. Would another victory help us right about now? I sure think so. This coupled with the pathetic ooc strength of schedule and the amount of 300 + rpi buy games is really beyond pathetic. It is My hope that all mu alums reach out to our AD and mike broeker and express their dissatisfaction with the disservice they did for this team.
So wait, we had a "pathetic ooc strength of schedule and the amount of 300 + rpi buy games is beyond pathetic"...but you want more "pathetic buy games" to get us to some meaningless number of wins?
Hmm...
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 10, 2017, 09:45:57 AM
Sweet fancy moses.
The most significant evidence that MU is NOT making the tournament is this thread .. it could only happen in the off-season.
Must be a precipice Hilltopper-- might as well bring back the politics board and burn this season to the ground.
fjm
I am much more of a big picture guy. Play in at Dayton or NIT are both better than nothing. Much more interested in seeing positive trajectory next season than what happens this weekend. Hope they have success, but hoping for "real" success moving forward.
Quote from: Goose on March 10, 2017, 09:51:39 AM
fjm
I am much more of a big picture guy. Play in at Dayton or NIT are both better than nothing. Much more interested in seeing positive trajectory next season than what happens this weekend. Hope they have success, but hoping for "real" success moving forward.
Very fair!
And Goose, I appreciate that you personalize your responses. I don't always agree with you, but I must say, you're a stand up man.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 10, 2017, 09:47:09 AM
So wait, we had a "pathetic ooc strength of schedule and the amount of 300 + rpi buy games is beyond pathetic"...but you want more "pathetic buy games" to get us to some meaningless number of wins?
Hmm...
Exactly. Pretty sure Boeker understands that any OOC game that will be a sure fire win for us in November is going to be against a sub-200 RPI team and that extra victory will actually drop our RPI and SOS and hurt our tournament chances. Then god forbid we lose and sticks with us all the way to March 12.
Quote from: fjm on March 10, 2017, 09:45:23 AM
But some posters are so negative and are constantly degrading either Wojo, the program, or a single player (see sandknitwit) that it is tiring.
I think we can all agree that trashing the players is a bad look. Sure, there will be complaints about effort or bad decisions, but to make it about anything beyond that goes too far, in most cases. Gripes about Wojo might annoy some, but he earned his fair share of criticism this year. He's young and learning, and as a result, he'll make mistakes, get outcoached, and lose some games that a more veteran coach likely wouldn't have.
The people that were worried about this season and even the state of the program after some especially bad losses like St John's and Georgetown had every right to be upset. Those games were huge disappointments. And if a win over Nova can be viewed as steps in the right direction, then a bad loss can just as easily be viewed as steps backward.
Some people vent here, some people celebrate here. It is what it is. But the constant bickering about what should and shouldn't be said here is obnoxious. It's far worse than negative opinions or overly rosey opinions.
Well I'm known as Mr. Pessimism and while I think we could slide to Dayton we ain't getting left out.
Y'all need to simmer down.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 10, 2017, 07:22:43 AM
apples to oranges.
Agree, since it really does not matter what any of use think or votes, only what the selection committee votes and we are not polling the selection committee.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 10, 2017, 09:45:57 AM
Sweet fancy moses.
The most significant evidence that MU is NOT making the tournament is this thread .. it could only happen in the off-season.
I hear the committee reads scoop.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 10, 2017, 08:05:53 AM
Thinking that Marquette is going to make the tournament doesn't take nearly as much hubris as posting nude photos of your fellow Marines on social media even after you have been busted.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/08/politics/marines-united-photos-investigation/
I missed that news. Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 10, 2017, 08:05:53 AM
Thinking that Marquette is going to make the tournament doesn't take nearly as much hubris as posting nude photos of your fellow Marines on social media even after you have been busted.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/08/politics/marines-united-photos-investigation/
They'd have done well to brush up on the classics. Medea and Lysistrata showed us thousands of years ago that we scorn women at our own peril.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 10, 2017, 06:59:05 AM
Really ironic the keefe is the one talking about hubris.
Thread should have ended here.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 10, 2017, 09:47:09 AM
So wait, we had a "pathetic ooc strength of schedule and the amount of 300 + rpi buy games is beyond pathetic"...but you want more "pathetic buy games" to get us to some meaningless number of wins?
Hmm...
Nope u can ass- ume that if it fits ur agenda, but quite honestly i cannot imagine how a person of even average intelligence would think i was for that after what i had posted.
Quote from: Goose on March 10, 2017, 09:51:39 AM
fjm
I am much more of a big picture guy. Play in at Dayton or NIT are both better than nothing. Much more interested in seeing positive trajectory next season than what happens this weekend. Hope they have success, but hoping for "real" success moving forward.
Ding, ding, ding you have the correct answer. Beating this horse one more time accomplishes nothing. Be disappointed if you wish but enough with ...
Quote from: keefe on March 10, 2017, 02:07:08 AM
Nobody wants Marquette to Dance more than I. But I am astonished at the presumption of many that we are guaranteed a spot in the Tourney.
Frankly, there is a very real chance we won't hear our name called on Sunday. Today was important and we failed to answer the call. I want Marquette to make the Show but know that we might very well we disappointed.
I thought you were Uncertain.
FINAL 4 BOUND
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 10, 2017, 10:45:38 AM
Nope u can ass- ume that if it fits ur agenda, but quite honestly i cannot imagine how a person of even average intelligence would think i was for that after what i had posted.
Huh?
Might be in, but unless ya can finish its rather unsatisfiin', ai na?
4 ever
You are a wise man in many ways!!! Well said, my friend.
Quote from: frozena pizza on March 10, 2017, 08:57:30 AM
This is all interesting but if someone could just tell me if I'm supposed to root for Xavier or Creighton tonight then I can stop reading. I'm thinking Xavier because that means the Big East almost certainly gets 7 bids but if X makes the final do they move ahead of us in seeding?
BE is getting 7 bids.
We want Creighton.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 10, 2017, 11:08:50 AM
Might be in, but unless ya can finish its rather unsatisfiin', ai na?
Depends on what's keeping ya from finishin'?
This thread, though.
Just got through it. Some real gems in here.
Look guys, MU is in. The thread really should have just ended after this:
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 10, 2017, 07:33:37 AM
Looking at facts and using deductive reasoning is not hubris. Yes there is a chance we could get left out. There's also a chance Nova could get left out. Now obviously their case is a lot more solid than ours but the point is you can't take the human element out of the decision. Of course, the human element could also mean we are sitting at 7 seed right now and are worrying for nothing.
Given that the human element of the committee is just as likely to overseed us as underseed us, all we are left with is the cold hard facts. The facts are:
Over 99% of bracketologists (including Lunardi, historically the most accurate) think that there are currently 7 or 8 teams between us and the bubble.
Included in those 7 or 8 teams is 4 teams who have already lost their last game. Ergo, they would be sacrificed to the NIT before us.
The top 4 teams on the outside of the bubble include 3 more sitting ducks. Meaning that 3 of the most likely candidates to take us out of the tournament cannot imporve their resumes any further.
To demonstrate how much distance there is between Marquette and the First Four Out, one simply needs to look at Illinois. A 17 win team, with a losing conference record from a weak B!G, with a worse RPI than Marquette, a KP score almost 40 points lowers, 5 less top 50 wins, a loss to Rutgers, and 2 losses to Penn State.
So given that there is only 1 team in the next four out that is still alive, and there are 4 teams behind Marquette that can't improve their resumes anymore, that gives us a pretty healthy buffer.
There are three teams in the Next Four Out that are still alive. Keep in mind that these are teams with resumes worse than Illinois, so they have a lot of distance to cover. I'm not sure any of them can catch Marquette without winning their conference tournaments.
So that leaves bid thieves. There are 6 conferences capable of producing bid thief from Marquette. At this point, four bid thieves would have to occur to push Marquette out. That number will go up if teams behind us like X, Vandy, Rhode Island, and K-State lose.
All this to say, the facts paint a pretty good picture. Yes there is a human element that can't be predicted. But we have set ourselves up in a pretty good position. Barring a lot of things going against us, we will either be in the tournament or one of the bigger snubs in tournament history.
It also worth noting that most of the teams that are still alive have very tall tasks today. Sure, a couple may win, but by and large, most will lose.
Xavier vs. Creighton
Vandy vs. Florida
Georgia vs. Kentucky
K State vs. West Virginia
Cal vs. Oregon
TCU vs. Iowa State
UCONN vs Houston
At this point, pretty much worst case scenario for MU is the First Four. I personally think we're safe from that barring some crazy circumstances, but if we get left out all together, this will go down as the biggest snub since the expansion to 68. Why is that? Because some teams with vastly inferior resumes will have made it over MU.
For those that think we won't make it - please list off the 32 AQ and 36 at larges that will make it over MU. Take the time to actually study what is going on instead of throwing around negativity because that what you enjoy to do. Please, for once, give us some real evidence as to why there are 36 more deserving at large teams. Once you get to the final 10 or so, add some discussion as to why they are more deserving. I'd absolutely love to see it.
Anyone watch the WBC? Boy, that DR team sure can hit!
Quote from: buckchuckler on March 10, 2017, 11:48:04 AM
Anyone watch the WBC? Boy, that DR team sure can hit!
I agree, their all great hitters.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 10, 2017, 09:35:06 AM
People feel that the 20 win plateau is an important one , whether actual or psychological.
Hopefully, all marquette fans know that mike broeker and the basketball office only scheduled marquette for 30 regular season games this year, despite the ncaa allowing us 31. Would another victory help us right about now? I sure think so. This coupled with the pathetic ooc strength of schedule and the amount of 300 + rpi buy games is really beyond pathetic. It is My hope that all mu alums reach out to our AD and mike broeker and express their dissatisfaction with the disservice they did for this team.
20 wins is a hellavu lot less important than RPI. And another game against a cupcake would have dropped our RPI. The scheduling wasn't bad this year. Some of our cupcakes underperfromed but that worst one, Howard, wasn't our decision.
St Francis almost won their conference tournament
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 10, 2017, 12:05:45 PM
20 wins is a hellavu lot less important than RPI. And another game against a cupcake would have dropped our RPI. The scheduling wasn't bad this year. Some of our cupcakes underperfromed but that worst one, Howard, wasn't our decision.
And Howard is 2 wins away from joining us in the NCAA Tournament.
Quote from: Goose on March 10, 2017, 09:39:42 AM
Frenns
For whatever reason this season I have seen more attacks than previous years.
Honestly, most of us are addicts. We are addicted to winning Marquette basketball. We've been in withdrawal for three long years. Now we are on the cusp of getting a hit of our favorite vice once again. Its human nature that some will rejoice because they know what they want is almost here. Others will lament because the long withdrawal keeps them from believing that is coming to an end. The hopeful group attacks the lamenters for bringing them down and introducing doubt. The lamenters attack the hopefuls as naive and bring false hope. The more it happens, the more personal the attacks.
Like you, I am a big picture person. The upward trajectory is what I want to see....more than the single milestone of making the NCAAs. But I'll admit that I've this year has tested me and I've been involved in some of the attacking. The closer we get to the goal, the more intense the attacks and its hard not to get sucked in sometimes.
We are on a good path and everyone should be invited to enjoy that hit of postseason Marquette basketball we've all been longing for. I just pray we make it, because if we somehow get snubbed and play in the NIT.....I can't imagine the debates of "NIT is progress, Wojo is on his way" vs. "NIT is crap, fire Wojo."
TAMU
We will make the tourney this year I hope. Im like 75% convinced we are in
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 10, 2017, 12:22:07 PM
TAMU
We will make the tourney this year I hope. Im like 75% convinced we are in
Oh I'm way higher than that. Barring bid thief madness we are either in or will be one of the bigger snubs in tournament history.
I went into this season believing that MU was an NIT team...and occasionally they still do look like an NIT team but, despite this season's ups and downs it appears highly likely that MU will be dancing. To go from 13 wins with basically an 8-man roster to making the NCAA Tournament is an accomplishment and shows that MU is trending in the right direction. 10-seed, play-in game, it doesn't matter. MU will be there and that's what matters at this point.
Last year's team was better than Wojo's Year 1 team (thankfully!) and despite losing its best player, this year's team is better than last year's team. Wojo also appears to have improved as a coach over that time. Much like the team, he still has areas where he needs improvement but he's grown and I feel confident that he'll get there.
There were a lot of coulda, woulda, shouldas this season but no one can present a strong case against the notion that the program has improved greatly since Wojo took over.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 10, 2017, 12:40:44 PM
I went into this season believing that MU was an NIT team...and occasionally they still do look like an NIT team but, despite this season's ups and downs it appears highly likely that MU will be dancing. To go from 13 wins with basically an 8-man roster to making the NCAA Tournament is an accomplishment and shows that MU is trending in the right direction. 10-seed, play-in game, it doesn't matter. MU will be there and that's what matters at this point.
Last year's team was better than Wojo's Year 1 team (thankfully!) and despite losing its best player, this year's team is better than last year's team. Wojo also appears to have improved as a coach over that time. Much like the team, he still has areas where he needs improvement but he's grown and I feel confident that he'll get there.
There were a lot of coulda, woulda, shouldas this season but no one can present a strong case against the notion that the program has improved greatly since Wojo took over.
Break out season next year. I think next year will be the first time we are ranked under Wojo
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 10, 2017, 12:40:44 PM
I went into this season believing that MU was an NIT team...and occasionally they still do look like an NIT team but, despite this season's ups and downs it appears highly likely that MU will be dancing. To go from 13 wins with basically an 8-man roster to making the NCAA Tournament is an accomplishment and shows that MU is trending in the right direction. 10-seed, play-in game, it doesn't matter. MU will be there and that's what matters at this point.
Last year's team was better than Wojo's Year 1 team (thankfully!) and despite losing its best player, this year's team is better than last year's team. Wojo also appears to have improved as a coach over that time. Much like the team, he still has areas where he needs improvement but he's grown and I feel confident that he'll get there.
There were a lot of coulda, woulda, shouldas this season but no one can present a strong case against the notion that the program has improved greatly since Wojo took over.
Here is what the Scoop collective thought in this topic before the year.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=52524.0
"If Scoopers are correct...
After a 20-10 regular season record, our Warriors will fall in the Big East Tournament Quarters, dropping to 20-11 and sitting squarely on the bubble heading into Selection Sunday.
A 10-8 conference record, including three road wins (DePaul, St. John's, Providence), will be good enough for 5th in the Big East. The resume will be padded with three big non-con victories over Vandy, Pittsburg/SMU, and Georgia, alongside a close loss to Michigan at MSG. Further boosting optimism on the morning of March 12th will be the lack of 'bad losses' for Marquette, with a mere three losses all season at the BC (Wisconsin, Xavier, Nova) and a flawless 7-0 against non-conference 'cupcakes' (although Fresno State hardly deserves the 'cupcake' moniker, as taking down the Bulldogs will prove more difficult than four Big East games).
In the end, the Warriors will have slightly better than coin-flip odds to punch Wojo's first NCAA Tournament Ticket, with ~55% of Scoopers predicting Marquette will go dancing."
So we nailed the conference record, was one off on the overall record, nailed the first round BET loss, and will likely exceed our thoughts for post-season.
We are actually pretty smart when we stop talking out of our a$$.
If they hang on v. Pitt it's dead on. Wild.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 10, 2017, 12:45:14 PM
Here is what the Scoop collective thought in this topic before the year.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=52524.0
"If Scoopers are correct...
After a 20-10 regular season record, our Warriors will fall in the Big East Tournament Quarters, dropping to 20-11 and sitting squarely on the bubble heading into Selection Sunday.
A 10-8 conference record, including three road wins (DePaul, St. John's, Providence), will be good enough for 5th in the Big East. The resume will be padded with three big non-con victories over Vandy, Pittsburg/SMU, and Georgia, alongside a close loss to Michigan at MSG. Further boosting optimism on the morning of March 12th will be the lack of 'bad losses' for Marquette, with a mere three losses all season at the BC (Wisconsin, Xavier, Nova) and a flawless 7-0 against non-conference 'cupcakes' (although Fresno State hardly deserves the 'cupcake' moniker, as taking down the Bulldogs will prove more difficult than four Big East games).
In the end, the Warriors will have slightly better than coin-flip odds to punch Wojo's first NCAA Tournament Ticket, with ~55% of Scoopers predicting Marquette will go dancing."
So we nailed the conference record, was one off on the overall record, nailed the first round BET loss, and will likely exceed our thoughts for post-season.
We are actually pretty smart when we stop talking out of our a$$.
So despite all of the hemming and hawing and complaining...
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RIP, Denny
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 10, 2017, 12:45:14 PM
We are actually pretty smart when we stop talking out of our a$$.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 10, 2017, 12:05:45 PM
20 wins is a hellavu lot less important than RPI. And another game against a cupcake would have dropped our RPI. The scheduling wasn't bad this year. Some of our cupcakes underperfromed but that worst one, Howard, wasn't our decision.
I am now consigned to having to decide that full comprehension of what i stated is a stretch for you.
Where did i state that we should pick up another 300+ cupcake? In fact, half of the complaint was the fact that we were playing as many 300+ as we did. I mean come on.
Our peers were able to schedule 31 and not have as bad an ooc sos, undeniable. Average performance of ones job produces a full schedule that doesnt consist of all those dogs. Look at the other 10-8 BE teams all higher sos n rpi. No different way to cut it than that department deserves an F n fully failed the players. Bubble talk or potentially missing falls equally on them.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 10, 2017, 01:24:11 PM
I am now consigned to having to decide that full comprehension of what i stated is a stretch for you.
Where did i state that we should pick up another 300+ cupcake? In fact, half of the complaint was the fact that we were playing as many 300+ as we did. I mean come on.
Our peers were able to schedule 31 and not have as bad an ooc sos, undeniable. Average performance of ones job produces a full schedule that doesnt consist of all those dogs. Look at the other 10-8 BE teams all higher sos n rpi. No different way to cut it than that department deserves an F n fully failed the players. Bubble talk or potentially missing falls equally on them.
So go ahead and, as of right now, formulate an adequate schedule for next year. If it's that easy to know which low major teams are going to come to Milwaukee to take a loss but are going to do well enough next season to not give our SOS a hit, go ahead and make up or 2017 OOC schedule, please.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 10, 2017, 01:27:00 PM
So go ahead and, as of right now, formulate an adequate schedule for next year. If it's that easy to know which low major teams are going to come to Milwaukee to take a loss but are going to do well enough next season to not give our SOS a hit, go ahead and make up or 2017 OOC schedule, please.
That is not my job. However, one only need look at the ooc sos for marquette the last two years to ascertain that ours is woefully inadequate relative to our peers. I mean we cannot even schedule the full amount of games. And our peers have all the same difficulties/issues that we do with a lesser budget.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 10, 2017, 12:45:14 PM
We are actually pretty smart when we stop talking out of our a$$.
That's a lot to ask.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 10, 2017, 01:24:11 PM
I am now consigned to having to decide that full comprehension of what i stated is a stretch for you.
Where did i state that we should pick up another 300+ cupcake? In fact, half of the complaint was the fact that we were playing as many 300+ as we did. I mean come on.
Our peers were able to schedule 31 and not have as bad an ooc sos, undeniable. Average performance of ones job produces a full schedule that doesnt consist of all those dogs. Look at the other 10-8 BE teams all higher sos n rpi. No different way to cut it than that department deserves an F n fully failed the players. Bubble talk or potentially missing falls equally on them.
Because when you schedule a home and home with a high major (Utah) and they pull out at the last minute, all that's left are cupcakes. That's what you don't seem to get.
I'm curious what your definition of "many 300+ cupcakes" is. Because we played two. One of those, we didn't schedule, they were scheduled for us by the Legends Classic. The other has a former Marquette player as its head coach, so I don't mind having them be our one awful cupcake.
I agree the schedule making needs work. I don't really think anyone can really deny that. Our awful luck in what looked like some decent cupcakes turning into cowpies changed a bit towards the end of the year when a few of them started to play better, but we do still need to work on scheduling better buy games, and hopefully filling out our schedule with an additional neutral site or road game against a high major.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 10, 2017, 01:47:25 PM
I agree the schedule making needs work. I don't really think anyone can really deny that. Our awful luck in what looked like some decent cupcakes turning into cowpies changed a bit towards the end of the year when a few of them started to play better, but we do still need to work on scheduling better buy games, and hopefully filling out our schedule with an additional neutral site or road game against a high major.
We host a Gavitt game so that helps. Scheduling is hard we only have certain dates we can play with at home.
Howard crapped the bed, though could still make the tournament. Western Carolina had their worst season in over a decade. SIUE we knew would be bad.
Past that, St Francis, IUPUI, and Houston Baptist were pretty okay. Their individual RPI weren't great, but RPI doesn't care about your individual RPI.
What people don't get is that the problem with our schedule wasn't so much the cupcakes (though two underachievers hurt) but the high majors. Vandy is going to lose 15 games. Pittsburgh lost 17 games. Wisconsin losing 5/6 late hurt our RPI. If Vandy, Pitt, and Georgia win 20 games, it helps a ton. Of Wisconsin doesn't crap the bed, it helps. Honestly, our non-con schedule was hurt more by the failures of high majors than the cupcakes.
Quote from: Newsdrms on March 10, 2017, 02:06:11 PM
We host a Gavitt game so that helps. Scheduling is hard we only have certain dates we can play with at home.
I remember a Broeker quote when Buzz was coach that said essentially that scheduling is easy when your coach is willing to take on anyone - anywhere.
It can't be that hard as many have a higher SOS than us and don't have any inherent advantages.
Quote from: drewm88 on March 10, 2017, 01:34:35 PM
That's a lot to ask.
The smart part or the talking out the ass part?
Quote from: T-Bone on March 10, 2017, 10:36:44 AM
I hear the committee reads scoop.
And therein lies the answer. The "missing 20th win" was just unshrouded in the corner of Bankers Life Fieldhouse in Indianapolis date "October 30, 2016, attn: Dayton".
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 10, 2017, 01:34:29 PM
That is not my job. However, one only need look at the ooc sos for marquette the last two years to ascertain that ours is woefully inadequate relative to our peers. I mean we cannot even schedule the full amount of games. And our peers have all the same difficulties/issues that we do with a lesser budget.
We really need to hope that Broeker gets hired away. I am so sick of the pathetic lame excuses from his office year after year. We have too much invested for this kind of mediocrity. This would have been the year to do a 3 for 1 with UWM. We could have done the 1 part at their place which would have been a road win , which is worth something in RPI world and we would have gotten the 20th win. Then in the future it is a home game for 3 years, when hopefully they would be better. I am certain they could have found an open date at the arena.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 10, 2017, 02:24:45 PM
We really need to hope that Broeker gets hired away. I am so sick of the pathetic lame excuses from his office year after year. We have too much invested for this kind of mediocrity. This would have been the year to do a 3 for 1 with UWM. We could have done the 1 part at their place which would have been a road win , which is worth something in RPI world and we would have gotten the 20th win. Then in the future it is a home game for 3 years, when hopefully they would be better. I am certain they could have found an open date at the arena.
What would that have accomplished? UWM's RPI is currently 256. There's nothing to gain from that. Should MU have gone on the road to play St. Francis or Western Carolina? It would have accomplished the same thing.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 10, 2017, 02:32:54 PM
What would that have accomplished? UWM's RPI is currently 256. There's nothing to gain from that. Should MU have gone on the road to play St. Francis or Western Carolina? It would have accomplished the same thing.
It would have hurt us to play UWM. No benefit to playing them this year.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 10, 2017, 02:24:45 PM
We really need to hope that Broeker gets hired away. I am so sick of the pathetic lame excuses from his office year after year. We have too much invested for this kind of mediocrity. This would have been the year to do a 3 for 1 with UWM. We could have done the 1 part at their place which would have been a road win , which is worth something in RPI world and we would have gotten the 20th win. Then in the future it is a home game for 3 years, when hopefully they would be better. I am certain they could have found an open date at the arena.
Hashtag @ScoopTakes!
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 10, 2017, 02:24:45 PM
We really need to hope that Broeker gets hired away. I am so sick of the pathetic lame excuses from his office year after year. We have too much invested for this kind of mediocrity. This would have been the year to do a 3 for 1 with UWM. We could have done the 1 part at their place which would have been a road win , which is worth something in RPI world and we would have gotten the 20th win. Then in the future it is a home game for 3 years, when hopefully they would be better. I am certain they could have found an open date at the arena.
I personally like Broeker a lot and think he's done a lot of great things for our program. You're certainly entitled to your own opinion of him but us missing this magical 20th win is not a good reason IMHO.
I wouldn't mind a 3 for 1 with UWM or UWGB but I don't pretend to know the finer points of basketball budgeting. I've always been told that the money is better for straight up buy games and we are no longer willing to give that up. I have no idea how much of a $$$ difference it is, but if that difference had to come out of the recruiting budget, would you be okay with that?
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 10, 2017, 12:45:14 PM
Here is what the Scoop collective thought in this topic before the year.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=52524.0
"If Scoopers are correct...
After a 20-10 regular season record, our Warriors will fall in the Big East Tournament Quarters, dropping to 20-11 and sitting squarely on the bubble heading into Selection Sunday.
A 10-8 conference record, including three road wins (DePaul, St. John's, Providence), will be good enough for 5th in the Big East. The resume will be padded with three big non-con victories over Vandy, Pittsburg/SMU, and Georgia, alongside a close loss to Michigan at MSG. Further boosting optimism on the morning of March 12th will be the lack of 'bad losses' for Marquette, with a mere three losses all season at the BC (Wisconsin, Xavier, Nova) and a flawless 7-0 against non-conference 'cupcakes' (although Fresno State hardly deserves the 'cupcake' moniker, as taking down the Bulldogs will prove more difficult than four Big East games).
In the end, the Warriors will have slightly better than coin-flip odds to punch Wojo's first NCAA Tournament Ticket, with ~55% of Scoopers predicting Marquette will go dancing."
So we nailed the conference record, was one off on the overall record, nailed the first round BET loss, and will likely exceed our thoughts for post-season.
We are actually pretty smart when we stop talking out of our a$$.
Whoa... we are awesome! One damn game away. I'll take that!
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 10, 2017, 02:24:45 PM
We really need to hope that Broeker gets hired away. I am so sick of the pathetic lame excuses from his office year after year. We have too much invested for this kind of mediocrity. This would have been the year to do a 3 for 1 with UWM. We could have done the 1 part at their place which would have been a road win , which is worth something in RPI world and we would have gotten the 20th win. Then in the future it is a home game for 3 years, when hopefully they would be better. I am certain they could have found an open date at the are
Running the RPI Wizard sensitivity analysis:
Current RPI: 59
Current SOS: 40
If we had scheduled and won against UWM on the road:
RPI: 59 (unchanged)
SOS: 55 (-15)
So, it would not have had an impact on our RPI, as their W/L was bad (first input to the RPI calculation), offset by being on the road. The trade-off was one win (road, RPI 200+ bucket, #20) for 15 places in the SOS rankings.
Without boring everyone too much with the various scenarios I tried:
Playing one game against another cupcake also had very little RPI impact and negative SOS impacts.
Playing a team near our RPI (KSU or Illinois) had little SOS impact and minimal movement each way on RPI based on win/lose.
Deleting our "worst win", SIU-Edwardsville, improves our RPI minimally 57 (+2) and SOS to 31 (+9).
If we would have been able to hold on against Seton Hall on the road, our RPI is 49 (+7) and SOS 41 (-1). Or if Butler, 34 (+15) and 40 (NC). If we didn't crap the bed at Georgetown, RPI 53 (+6), SOS 41 (-1).
If we win yesterday, and lose to Nova today: RPI 44 (+5), SOS 31 (+9).
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 10, 2017, 02:36:42 PM
It would have hurt us to play UWM. No benefit to playing them this year.
I was saying play them this year as a road game. Road wins are weighted at 1.4 versus 0.6 for home games. So yes we would have benefited.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 10, 2017, 04:38:48 PM
I was saying play them this year as a road game. Road wins are weighted at 1.4 versus 0.6 for home games. So yes we would have benefited.
You are wrong.
But it's all about the @ScoopTakes.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 10, 2017, 04:38:48 PM
I was saying play them this year as a road game. Road wins are weighted at 1.4 versus 0.6 for home games. So yes we would have benefited.
Did you read the post by Chapman literally two spots in front of you? It wouldn't have helped our RPI and it would have dropped or SOS by 15 spots.
Alternative facts.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 10, 2017, 08:49:34 AM
Keefe is not a troll. Trolls are people who say something for the sake of affect. MUFINY is a troll.
Keefe isn't even in the same boat as people who only show up here when things are bad. Like the Dark Glasses guy. Or hotdog. Etc, etc, etc. Those guys are annoying because they are always negative and only bother participating in the community when they have something negative to say. I don't pay much attention to those kind of people in real life, so I'm not going to pay attention to them now.
Keefe is merely a condescending assbag.
Fight, fight, fight. 8-)
ND sucks
Quote from: wadesworld on March 10, 2017, 05:27:03 PM
You are wrong.
But it's all about the @ScoopTakes.
Look it up. Road wins weighted at 1.4x in the formula and home wins at 0.6x.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 10, 2017, 09:22:42 PM
Look it up. Road wins weighted at 1.4x in the formula and home wins at 0.6x.
UWM on the road this year would not have helped our RPI or our schedule. You were wrong. But you love that @ScoopTakes account.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 10, 2017, 09:22:42 PM
Look it up. Road wins weighted at 1.4x in the formula and home wins at 0.6x.
And playing Milwaukee on the road would've significantly hurt our SOS without improving our RPI.
Look, we get it, you don't understand things like RPI or math, but don't try to pass off your uneducated and incorrect notions as facts after they've already been disproven.
We got this.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 10, 2017, 09:22:42 PM
Look it up. Road wins weighted at 1.4x in the formula and home wins at 0.6x.
We are aware of how RPI works, but you don't seem to be. Road wins are weighted heavier, but Milwaukee is such a bad team that they wouldn't raise our RPI. They would however sink or SOS.
Here: http://www.rpiforecast.com/wizard/Marquette.html. See for yourself.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 10, 2017, 10:07:13 PM
We are aware of how RPI works, but you don't seem to be. Road wins are weighted heavier, but Milwaukee is such a bad team that they wouldn't raise our RPI. They would however sink or SOS.
Here: http://www.rpiforecast.com/wizard/Marquette.html. See for yourself.
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