Now that we took the L, what seed are we gonna be?
10
11. No Dayton
I think we may land a 10, which would be fine with me. As long as we're in and avoid Dayton, I'm happy.
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I'll guess 11 and not in Dayton
9
10 sounds right.
10
Guessing 9 or 10.
ABD and I am happy.
11
Hope u guys are right, those that say were are totally in have no way of knowing that n rpi has always been the biggest factor.
10
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 09, 2017, 04:01:29 PM
Hope u guys are right, those that say were are totally in have no way of knowing that n rpi has always been the biggest factor.
Sure but our RPI is fine and completely in line with teams that usually get bids.
11 seed.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 09, 2017, 04:01:29 PM
Hope u guys are right, those that say were are totally in have no way of knowing that n rpi has always been the biggest factor.
You're correct. But then again, we have no way of knowing Villanova is in either. We use facts and deductive reasoning to make an educated guess that Villanova is in. That same process works for Marquette. Now we obviously don't have as strong of a case as Villanova, but the bubble is a lot smaller than you think.
Please just let them in and don't put them in Dayton. Sand Knit is right on this..No one here that says they are for sure in knows that for certain. There have certainly been bigger screw jobs in the past then if MU doesn't get chosen this year.
Quote from: muguru on March 09, 2017, 04:08:47 PM
Please just let them in and don't put them in Dayton. Sand Knit is right on this..No one here that says they are for sure in knows that for certain. There have certainly been bigger screw jobs in the past then if MU doesn't get chosen this year.
Honestly, considering all the teams that would have to be selected in order of us not to make it....it would be one of the bigger screw jobs.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on March 09, 2017, 04:12:29 PM
Honestly, considering all the teams that would have to be selected in order of us not to make it....it would be one of the bigger screw jobs.
Not if say the BXII(Kansas just lost), Big Ten and American tourneys don't go chalk. I don't count being in Dayton as being IN the tournament.
Quote from: muguru on March 09, 2017, 04:17:36 PM
Not if say the BXII(Kansas just lost), Big Ten and American tourneys don't go chalk. I don't count being in Dayton as being IN the tournament.
Okay well that's your (incorrect) definition. We could be in Dayton, although I'd still bet against it. We're not missing the tournament.
Quote from: muguru on March 09, 2017, 04:17:36 PM
Not if say the BXII(Kansas just lost), Big Ten and American tourneys don't go chalk. I don't count being in Dayton as being IN the tournament.
That's a weird thing to say. I'm pretty sure Dayton is part of the tournament.
Id bet a pretty good amount of money that we're not in dayton. It'd possible, but we'd have gotten screwed.
I'd bet everything I own that we make the tournament.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 09, 2017, 04:23:18 PM
That's a weird thing to say. I'm pretty sure Dayton is part of the tournament.
Not really, because if you lose there, it was like you weren't even in it. The REAL tourney starts that Thursday and Friday.
Quote from: muguru on March 09, 2017, 04:34:22 PM
Not really, because if you lose there, it was like you weren't even in it. The REAL tourney starts that Thursday and Friday.
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Is take Dayton. Wojo and an NCaa bid in his 3rd year and confirmation of the vision he is selling would be a powerful thing. Think Joey
Quote from: muguru on March 09, 2017, 04:34:22 PM
Not really, because if you lose there, it was like you weren't even in it. The REAL tourney starts that Thursday and Friday.
No, it doesn't. It starts when teams are playing on the road to the Final Four. When VCU beat USC in 2011, it was in the tournament and if they don't win that game, they don't go to the Final Four. The Tournament starts in the First Four.
We will probably be last 4 bye
Teams don't move that far up and down based on conference tournaments. I am thinking a ten seed.
9
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 09, 2017, 05:11:16 PM
Teams don't move that far up and down based on conference tournaments. I am thinking a ten seed.
UNLESS, a bunch of bids get stolen because of it. Just don't trust the committee, never have never will. Afterall, we have seen so many curious decisions by them over the years. Like Cuse last year for example.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 09, 2017, 05:11:16 PM
Teams don't move that far up and down based on conference tournaments. I am thinking a ten seed.
I was thinking 10 seed before the game and still do. SH is going to the dance--not a bad loss.
Quote from: muguru on March 09, 2017, 04:17:36 PM
Not if say the BXII(Kansas just lost), Big Ten and American tourneys don't go chalk. I don't count being in Dayton as being IN the tournament.
I take it you're not a fan of the second wild card in baseball.
Quote from: muguru on March 09, 2017, 05:18:11 PM
UNLESS, a bunch of bids get stolen because of it. Just don't trust the committee, never have never will. Afterall, we have seen so many curious decisions by them over the years. Like Cuse last year for example.
OK, then sit around and fret and worry about it until Sunday.
10
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on March 09, 2017, 05:23:33 PM
I take it you're not a fan of the second wild card in baseball.
Not at all..I'm old school and a purist. Just as i have always wanted the 64 BEST teams in the tournament. Not small school 16 seeds that can pull an upset once in awhile(as enjoyable as that may be). They can have their own tournament...besides, if you think about it, that gives ALL of them a better chance to legitimately compete for a Championship. Win-Win
I think we get a 9. My guess is we're either in Tulsa playing into Kansas (against Virginia Tech) or Greenville playing into UNC (against Northwestern).
Quote from: muguru on March 09, 2017, 04:34:22 PM
Not really, because if you lose there, it was like you weren't even in it. The REAL tourney starts that Thursday and Friday.
You can think that way. It's your right. But it's not how things work. Do you only make the NFL playoffs if you get the bye?
Quote from: muguru on March 09, 2017, 05:37:48 PM
Not at all..I'm old school and a purist. Just as i have always wanted the 64 BEST teams in the tournament. Not small school 16 seeds that can pull an upset once in awhile(as enjoyable as that may be). They can have their own tournament...besides, if you think about it, that gives ALL of them a better chance to legitimately compete for a Championship. Win-Win
You're not a purist then. Since then start of the NCAA tournament, all conference champions have been invited. The at-large bids to non-conference champions is a more recent addition.
I think we get a 9 or 10.
I want us to get an 11 and a bye from Dayton.
This team can get hot and beat almost any team. Or be ice cold like today. But if we are going to be hot, I'd rather we not play a 2 or 1 in the second round.
(Of course some big IF's in there)
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 09, 2017, 05:49:56 PM
You're not a purist then. Since then start of the NCAA tournament, all conference champions have been invited. The at-large bids to non-conference champions is a more recent addition.
That type of purist is more in line with the old school NIT. Maybe muguru would prefer a NIT bid?
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 09, 2017, 04:01:29 PM
Hope u guys are right, those that say were are totally in have no way of knowing that n rpi has always been the biggest factor.
You can get a good look at a steak by sticking your head up a cow's ass, but wouldn't you rather take the butcher's word for it?
We will be just like last Year,anxiously hoping for our NIT invite. I felt all along we need to get to 21 wins to be certain and 20 just to be in the discussion. We might get lucky and Xavier will win the tournament so our two wins over them will be considered quality. The outlook is cloudy for our team right now.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 09, 2017, 06:08:15 PM
We will be just like last Year,anxiously hoping for our NIT invite. I felt all along we need to get to 21 wins to be certain and 20 just to be in the discussion. We might get lucky and Xavier will win the tournament so our two wins over them will be considered quality. The outlook is cloudy for our team right now.
Is this for real? Lunardi had us as a lock as did SI. Step back from the ledge my friend
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 09, 2017, 06:08:15 PM
We will be just like last Year,anxiously hoping for our NIT invite. I felt all along we need to get to 21 wins to be certain and 20 just to be in the discussion. We might get lucky and Xavier will win the tournament so our two wins over them will be considered quality. The outlook is cloudy for our team right now.
I think we can officially label MUFINY as a troll.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 09, 2017, 06:08:15 PM
We will be just like last Year,anxiously hoping for our NIT invite. I felt all along we need to get to 21 wins to be certain and 20 just to be in the discussion. We might get lucky and Xavier will win the tournament so our two wins over them will be considered quality. The outlook is cloudy for our team right now.
MUFNY trying to get on Scooptakes Twitter is like Heise making topic titles that have nothing to do with the article he copied and pasted just to get clicks.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 09, 2017, 06:08:15 PM
We will be just like last Year,anxiously hoping for our NIT invite. I felt all along we need to get to 21 wins to be certain and 20 just to be in the discussion. We might get lucky and Xavier will win the tournament so our two wins over them will be considered quality. The outlook is cloudy for our team right now.
You've been asked multiple times now but I'll try again. Who is getting in over us? I will hang up and listen for your response.
All these brackets have us in but that really doesn't matter. It only matters if the committee thinks we are in not a bunch of brackets people are predicting
Going to Dayton gives us the best chance of getting 20 wins.
Also, if you assume an 11th seed (I am not predicting this) you could be in Dayton or not Dayton. Either way you get the sixth seed (assuming you win in Dayton) and I think it would be good for MU to have a game in under their belt. I am not rooting for playing in Dayton, but I do not think it would be a bad thing if it happen.
right now Joe has us playing Miami(7). I feel like this would be a terrible matchup
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 09, 2017, 06:57:19 PM
You've been asked multiple times now but I'll try again. Who is getting in over us? I will hang up and listen for your response.
Whoever the committee decides is over us. Its that simple, because none of us knows for certain who is in and who is out.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 09, 2017, 07:07:41 PM
right now Joe has us playing Miami(7). I feel like this would be a terrible matchup
Well I hope Joe is right. Is Miami like Seton Hall?
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 09, 2017, 06:58:16 PM
All these brackets have us in but that really doesn't matter. It only matters if the committee thinks we are in not a bunch of brackets people are predicting
Yes. But those bracket people are experts and historically have been very accurate.
The committee is human. Which means that a decision could come out of left field. I'd argue the times that it happens are very few and far between.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 09, 2017, 07:07:41 PM
right now Joe has us playing Miami(7). I feel like this would be a terrible matchup
I'm not certain that Miami is that far in front of us seed wise.
Team RPI KP Top50
Miami 40 31 4-10
MU 58 29 8-7
If they weight the Top50 higher (as has been suggested) we dominate them in top 50, Kenpom is a push and RPI we are significantly worse. In the end, that looks closer to an 8/9 type seeding where its a coin toss (depending on what you weight more Top50 or RPI) of who gets what seed.
Our 8-7 mark against Top50 is why we could be anywhere from an 8-seed to 11-seed, depending on how things are weighted.
Quote from: forgetful on March 09, 2017, 07:16:34 PM
I'm not certain that Miami is that far in front of us seed wise.
Team RPI KP Top50
Miami 40 31 4-10
MU 58 29 8-7
If they weight the Top50 higher (as has been suggested) we dominate them in top 50, Kenpom is a push and RPI we are significantly worse. In the end, that looks closer to an 8/9 type seeding where its a coin toss (depending on what you weight more Top50 or RPI) of who gets what seed.
Our 8-7 mark against Top50 is why we could be anywhere from an 8-seed to 11-seed, depending on how things are weighted.
Anything but the dreaded 8/9 seed. My preference would be an 11 seed.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 09, 2017, 06:57:19 PM
You've been asked multiple times now but I'll try again. Who is getting in over us? I will hang up and listen for your response.
Wake Forest
Illinois
etc
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 09, 2017, 08:00:36 PM
Wake Forest
Illinois
etc
Wake is 3-9 against the Top 50 and Illinois is 3-8. The actual committee showed they valued Top 50 wins and did not view the Big Ten highly. I don't think there's any chance those two get in before us.
Frankie says Relax.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 09, 2017, 06:08:15 PM
We will be just like last Year,anxiously hoping for our NIT invite. I felt all along we need to get to 21 wins to be certain and 20 just to be in the discussion. We might get lucky and Xavier will win the tournament so our two wins over them will be considered quality. The outlook is cloudy for our team right now.
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More performance art.
Xavier saving our skin. They beat Butler.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 09, 2017, 08:00:36 PM
Wake Forest
Illinois
etc
I thought you needed 20 wins just to be in the conversation? Wake has 19 and Illinois has 17.
Let's play the resume game:
Marquette:
RPI: 58
KP: 29
SOS: 39
Record: 19-12
Top 50: 8-7
Top 100: 9-10
Best Wins: NOVA (1), @CREI (30), @X (34)
Worst Losses: @SJU (124), @GTWN (108), PITT* (71)
Wake Forest:
RPI: 38
KP: 30
SOS: 14
Record: 19-13
Top 50: 3-9
Top 100: 8-13
Best Wins: LOU (6), @VT (46), MIA (40)
Worst Losses: @CUSE (86), CLEM (68), @CLEM (68)
Illinois:
RPI: 63
KP: 70
SOS: 21
Record: 17-14
Top 50: 3-9
Top 100: 10-13
Best Wins: VCU* (22), @NW (54), MICH (44)
Worst Losses: @RUT (158), PSU (99), @PSU (99)
I can see an argument for Wake Forest. But they are in the tournament already. They aren't stealing a spot from Marquette unless there are a ton of bid thieves. There is no argument for Illinois over Marquette.
Coming into today, the First Four Out were Illinois State, Kansas State, Iowa, and Illinois. 3 of those 4 teams are already done for the season. That means they can't play their win into the tournament. If Baylor takes care of Kansas State it will be 4/4. That means Teams from the Next Four Out will be the ones that have to rise and steal a bid from Marquette. That's a lot of distance to cover.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 09, 2017, 08:17:37 PM
Xavier saving our skin. They beat Butler.
You really don't understand how the bubble works. We wanted Butler to win. Now Xavier could pass us.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 09, 2017, 08:23:27 PM
I thought you needed 20 wins just to be in the conversation? Wake has 19 and Illinois has 17.
Let's play the resume game:
Marquette:
RPI: 58
KP: 29
SOS: 39
Record: 19-12
Top 50: 8-7
Top 100: 9-10
Best Wins: NOVA (1), @CREI (30), @X (34)
Worst Losses: @SJU (124), @GTWN (108), PITT* (71)
Wake Forest:
RPI: 38
KP: 30
SOS: 14
Record: 19-13
Top 50: 3-9
Top 100: 8-13
Best Wins: LOU (6), @VT (46), MIA (40)
Worst Losses: @CUSE (86), CLEM (68), @CLEM (68)
Illinois:
RPI: 63
KP: 70
SOS: 21
Record: 17-14
Top 50: 3-9
Top 100: 10-13
Best Wins: VCU* (22), @NW (54), MICH (44)
Worst Losses: @RUT (158), PSU (99), @PSU (99)
I can see an argument for Wake Forest. But they are in the tournament already. They aren't stealing a spot from Marquette unless there are a ton of bid thieves. There is no argument for Illinois over Marquette.
Coming into today, the First Four Out were Illinois State, Kansas State, Iowa, and Illinois. 3 of those 4 teams are already done for the season. That means they can't play their win into the tournament. If Baylor takes care of Kansas State it will be 4/4. That means Teams from the Next Four Out will be the ones that have to rise and steal a bid from Marquette. That's a lot of distance to cover.
Xavier helping us greatly.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 09, 2017, 08:24:26 PM
You really don't understand how the bubble works. We wanted Butler to win. Now Xavier could pass us.
He does. He is being very trollish lately. People should really just ignore him.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 09, 2017, 08:17:37 PM
Xavier saving our skin. They beat Butler.
How does Xavier winning help at all? You do know we are in direct competition with them, right?
Quote from: 94Warrior on March 09, 2017, 08:27:55 PM
How does Xavier winning help at all? You do know we are in direct competition with them, right?
Lunardi said they are in now. We beat them twice so it helps our resume.
They don't call this march madness for nothing.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 09, 2017, 08:26:54 PM
He does. He is being very trollish lately. People should really just ignore him.
Really embracing the alternative facts.
Quote from: tower912 on March 09, 2017, 08:34:32 PM
Really embracing the alternative facts.
The only facts are that the committee tentatively posted their top 16 a while back. Beyond that it is all c@$ircle je#&rking.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 09, 2017, 08:25:04 PM
Xavier helping us greatly.
No comment on how Illinois is a better resume than us huh?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 09, 2017, 08:37:33 PM
No comment on how Illinois is a better resume than us huh?
They are from the Big Ten. Old Habits die hard.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 09, 2017, 08:33:14 PM
Lunardi said they are in now. We beat them twice so it helps our resume.
They don't call this march madness for nothing.
It helps their resume far more than it helps ours!!!! We want teams around us to lose.
For example: Xavier, Vandy, USC and Cal winning hurt us.
We are lucky that Syracuse, Wake , Illinois St, and Iowa lost.
We don't want Providence or K State to win.
Quote from: 94Warrior on March 09, 2017, 08:46:38 PM
It helps their resume far more than it helps ours!!!! We want teams around us to lose.
For example: Xavier, Vandy, USC and Cal winning hurt us.
We are lucky that Syracuse, Wake , Illinois St, and Iowa lost.
We don't want Providence or K State to win.
He knows.
Lunardi's update was just was on ESPN. He didn't move us down at all. Last four byes. 7th last team in. One spot better than Xavier.
Calm down, psychos.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 09, 2017, 08:41:30 PM
They are from the Big Ten. Old Habits die hard.
So the committee dislikes the Big East and likes the Big 10. So teams with vastly inferior resumes from the Big Ten will get placed over more qualified teams from the Big East?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 09, 2017, 08:55:38 PM
So the committee dislikes the Big East and likes the Big 10. So teams with vastly inferior resumes from the Big Ten will get placed over more qualified teams from the Big East?
Yes. All highly respected coaches the committee. Except PC of course, the committee loves Cooley.
The committee loves the B1G so much they had 0 of them in the top 4 seeds in the "bracket preview!" Old habits. Hard dying. Or something.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 09, 2017, 08:55:38 PM
So the committee dislikes the Big East and likes the Big 10. So teams with vastly inferior resumes from the Big Ten will get placed over more qualified teams from the Big East?
As I have stated many many times I am a huge Big East Fan . I love the quality of our conference. There are 10 guys on that committee. The Big East representative is from Creighton. The guys who represent the power 5 football schools are going to be pounding the table in unison especially since many of them have down years. Hence , we have to be a solid choice given our lack of rpi and lack of 20 win status. That is why the Xavier win is so huge for us. Really helps solidify our top 50 wins which Coach Lavin said is the best most appealing part of our resume.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 09, 2017, 09:59:31 PM
As I have stated many many times I am a huge Big East Fan . I love the quality of our conference. There are 10 guys on that committee. The Big East representative is from Creighton. The guys who represent the power 5 football schools are going to be pounding the table in unison especially since many of them have down years. Hence , we have to be a solid choice given our lack of rpi and lack of 20 win status. That is why the Xavier win is so huge for us. Really helps solidify our top 50 wins which Coach Lavin said is the best most appealing part of our resume.
Not the Creighton sweep or Nova win?
Speaking of Lavin, my lord is he awful as a color guy. Unbelievably annoying.
I feel pretty good about getting a 10 seed. Our resume stacks up pretty well with the 9 seeds that I wouldn't be surprised with a 9. 11 is worst case scenario but there is a bigger gap behind us than in front of us.
Marquette's top 50 wins are very misleading. They got both Creighton and Xavier when they were banged up. I think the committee will take that into consideration. So really the only impressive win was over Villanova. Marquette has too many bad losses and the RPI is at 58. I think Wojo and his boys will be on the outside looking in come Sunday.
Kansas State beatin baylor not good for us
Quote from: MU Honey on March 09, 2017, 10:12:50 PM
Marquette's top 50 wins are very misleading. They got both Creighton and Xavier when they were banged up. I think the committee will take that into consideration. So really the only impressive win was over Villanova. Marquette has too many bad losses and the RPI is at 58. I think Wojo and his boys will be on the outside looking in come Sunday.
Wanna bet?
We should be a little worried sunday i do not think we are a lock.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 09, 2017, 10:04:26 PM
Not the Creighton sweep or Nova win?
Speaking of Lavin, my lord is he awful as a color guy. Unbelievably annoying.
I really like Lavin he is very good and bullish on MU. Also Steven Bardo is keen on MU.
Creighton Sweep and Nova win are great for us. That is why I want Creighton to win tonight and Nova to romp the rest of the way.
Quote from: MU Honey on March 09, 2017, 10:12:50 PM
Marquette's top 50 wins are very misleading. They got both Creighton and Xavier when they were banged up. I think the committee will take that into consideration. So really the only impressive win was over Villanova. Marquette has too many bad losses and the RPI is at 58. I think Wojo and his boys will be on the outside looking in come Sunday.
Both Creighton and Xavier beat Butler without their PGs. So our wins mean something.
Temple got a 10 seed with an RPI of 60 last year. So I am not concerned about that. Heck, MU made it with an RPI of 64 in 2011.
Quote from: MU Honey on March 09, 2017, 10:12:50 PM
I think Wojo and his boys will be on the outside looking in come Sunday.
Well, you also apparently think this...
Quote from: MU Honey on October 24, 2016, 09:51:54 AM
Marquette just can't compete with SLU.
So lets just say I don't trust your opinion.
Lord, three years of being left out has really turned some Marquette fans irrational.
I think we will get a 10 or 11 (not Dayton). We have 8 top 50 wins...No one on the bubble even comes close to that. We also have a win over the #1 overall seed (who else can claim that)? I am sick of people discounting the Xavier and Creighton wins as well (Hopefully X beating Butler & Creighton beating PU helps people see that). Creighton would be a top 10 team with Mo, & Xavier would be a top 25 team with Sumner...It's not like they are both sub 75 teams without them...They are still solid teams.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 09, 2017, 04:39:52 PM
Is take Dayton. Wojo and an NCaa bid in his 3rd year and confirmation of the vision he is selling would be a powerful thing. Think Joey
Yup Joey I think would be on board to try make a run in ncaa with oLder brother Junior & Senior (Sam) plus looks like Joey and Howard are really good friends
If we make the tourney this year does anyone think we have made the same progress as Buzz?
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 10, 2017, 11:59:05 AM
If we make the tourney this year does anyone think we have made the same progress as Buzz?
Very different set of circumstances and different visions really can't compare. But I bet Wojo is basically at spot per his plan presented in job interview.
Quote from: mubb3434 on March 10, 2017, 08:12:44 AM
I think we will get a 10 or 11 (not Dayton). We have 8 top 50 wins...No one on the bubble even comes close to that. We also have a win over the #1 overall seed (who else can claim that)? I am sick of people discounting the Xavier and Creighton wins as well (Hopefully X beating Butler & Creighton beating PU helps people see that). Creighton would be a top 10 team with Mo, & Xavier would be a top 25 team with Sumner...It's not like they are both sub 75 teams without them...They are still solid teams.
Thank you!!
Also, some people need to stop citing RPI as the end all, be all to everything. Sure it's lower than we would like, but c'mon!
#10NoDayton
Quote from: WayOfTheWarrior on March 10, 2017, 01:18:36 PM
Thank you!!
Also, some people need to stop citing RPI as the end all, be all to everything. Sure it's lower than we would like, but c'mon!
#10NoDayton
Not to mention, there have been much worse RPIs to get in and to avoid the play in games in the past than what we currently have.
Contemplating the 24 teams voted in on the initial ballot... assuming everyone on the committee voted for all 26 teams, in taking the top 26 from the five main metrics (KP, AP, RPI, BPI, & Sagarin), 21 teams are a consensus. Most of the teams that didn't appear in the top 26 in all five are generally those that appeared in the 20-30 range on each, with one notable outlier... Wichita State. WSU is the only team that did not appear in the top 26 in one metric but was top 20 in each of the other five metrics. So of the teams that appeared on at least one top 26 list (but not all), Wichita State is - by considerable distance - the class of that group. So that's 22 (essentially, the list is the KenPom top 26 minus OKSt, ISU, UW-Madison, and Michigan)
Looking again at Wichita State, the one metric that excluded them from the top 26 happens to be RPI. So if you include the Shockers and discount RPI, there are two additional teams that would be consensus top 26 amongst the other four metrics: UW-Madison and ISU.
So let's assume the above comprise the 24 selected on the initial ballot... that would obviously signal the potential of a departure from strict adherence to RPI. Obviously, this would bode well for Marquette as they pencil out to a consensus of around #30 in all the other metrics (KP-29, BPI-30, Sag-31). "But Benny, how can you say it's a consensus because MU didn't even receive an AP vote." Quit whining. If MU was the consensus #30, Marquette wouldn't receive any AP votes because you only vote on the top 25.
For those of you not paying attention at home, that's an 8-seed.
Quote from: Benny B on March 10, 2017, 02:07:42 PM
Contemplating the 24 teams voted in on the initial ballot... assuming everyone on the committee voted for all 26 teams, in taking the top 26 from the five main metrics (KP, AP, RPI, BPI, & Sagarin), 21 teams are a consensus. Most of the teams that didn't appear in the top 26 in all five are generally those that appeared in the 20-30 range on each, with one notable outlier... Wichita State. WSU is the only team that did not appear in the top 26 in one metric but was top 20 in each of the other five metrics. So of the teams that appeared on at least one top 26 list (but not all), Wichita State is - by considerable distance - the class of that group. So that's 22 (essentially, the list is the KenPom top 26 minus OKSt, ISU, UW-Madison, and Michigan)
Looking again at Wichita State, the one metric that excluded them from the top 26 happens to be RPI. So if you include the Shockers and discount RPI, there are two additional teams that would be consensus top 26 amongst the other four metrics: UW-Madison and ISU.
So let's assume the above comprise the 24 selected on the initial ballot... that would obviously signal the potential of a departure from strict adherence to RPI. Obviously, this would bode well for Marquette as they pencil out to a consensus of around #30 in all the other metrics (KP-29, BPI-30, Sag-31). "But Benny, how can you say it's a consensus because MU didn't even receive an AP vote." Quit whining. If MU was the consensus #30, Marquette wouldn't receive any AP votes because you only vote on the top 25.
For those of you not paying attention at home, that's an 8-seed.
I'll start by saying it's been a long day and my brain isn't fully working, so sorry if I'm missing something. But....
Wichita State won their conference tournament. They aren't an at-large and wouldn't be on the initial teams selected list, correct?
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on March 10, 2017, 02:19:10 PM
I'll start by saying it's been a long day and my brain isn't fully working, so sorry if I'm missing something. But....
Wichita State won their conference tournament. They aren't an at-large and wouldn't be on the initial teams selected list, correct?
The initial ballot teams are voted irrespective of conference tournament results (real or projected); either way, it was taken before Wichita State won their tournament.
Quote from: WayOfTheWarrior on March 10, 2017, 01:18:36 PM
Thank you!!
Also, some people need to stop citing RPI as the end all, be all to everything. Sure it's lower than we would like, but c'mon!
#10NoDayton
I think its strange that the NCAA determines your top 50 wins using RPI. If were that useful a tool, they should just use it to put people in the tournament.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 10, 2017, 02:39:14 PM
I think its strange that the NCAA determines your top 50 wins using RPI. If were that useful a tool, they should just use it to put people in the tournament.
That is the paradox of the RPI. Illinois St has a good RPI but beat no one. Creighton has roughly the same RPI but has some good wins.
But both count as a top 50 win on your resume. It makes no sense.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on March 10, 2017, 03:02:15 PM
That is the paradox of the RPI. Illinois St has a good RPI but beat no one. Creighton has roughly the same RPI but has some good wins.
But both count as a top 50 win on your resume. It makes no sense.
Missouri Valley mandates that their schools play teams in the top half of RPI, which helps boost the general level of the conference.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 10, 2017, 04:46:31 PM
Missouri Valley mandates that their schools play teams in the top half of RPI, which helps boost the general level of the conference.
Certainly didn't work this year.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 10, 2017, 05:07:29 PM
Certainly didn't work this year.
I was just responding to the question about why Illinois State has a low RPI with few quality wins. The MVC may have lousy teams in the conference but they play better non conference opponents .Playing good teams Doesn't make up for losing a lot though. So for example in our conference St. Johns screwed everyone by having the gall to lose 3 games to bad teams in non conference, then they come around and had 7 conference wins. So now the teams in our conference who lost to the Johnnies are tarred with a worse lose .
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 10, 2017, 07:35:36 AM
Lord, three years of being left out has really turned some Marquette fans irrational.
That makes sense. I remember the confidence we had when we first missed the tournament a few years back after so much success. There was some shock even though the proof was right there in front of us. Now we are adjusting back.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 09, 2017, 03:58:26 PM
9
If they go heavy top 50 wins this could happen. No other team competing for these seeds is close to our 8-7.
I'd rather be a 10 though.
Quote from: auburnmarquette on March 10, 2017, 05:25:37 PM
If they go heavy top 50 wins this could happen. No other team competing for these seeds is close to our 8-7.
I'd rather be a 10 though.
I thought we needed 20 win, Auburn?
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=53679.msg904788#msg904788 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=53679.msg904788#msg904788)
Just ribbin' ya. But I am confident enough that we'll make it to make the claim that I nailed those bubble scenerios pretty much to a T.
Latest Lunardi projection has us still an 11 but now facing Minn with the next game Baylor. We are now closer to the play in than we were but I like this draw much better than before. Think us vs Minn would be a toss up and Baylor is known for not playing up to season form in the tourney. Now lets hope for no bid thieves which would push us off the bye line. All it takes is 2 since I believe major conference champs can't be put in the Dayton play in.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on March 11, 2017, 09:10:38 AM
Latest Lunardi projection has us still an 11 but now facing Minn with the next game Baylor. We are now closer to the play in than we were but I like this draw much better than before. Think us vs Minn would be a toss up and Baylor is known for not playing up to season form in the tourney. Now lets hope for no bid thieves which would push us off the bye line. All it takes is 2 since I believe major conference champs can't be put in the Dayton play in.
Lunardi also basically sealed up his field today assuming no bid stealers, because he only shows two teams - Illinois State and Rhode Island - as his first teams out.
CBS Writer may have just leaked that we are DEFINITELY in the field:
String of tweets from @mattnorlander:
Some general thoughts after talking with selection committee members this morning in Manhattan. ...
Seems like the No.1 overall seed is still up for debate—as is the discussion in terms of who gets the four 1s.
As of 9 a.m., not one team was seeded, officially. I think that probably changes by noon. Seed scrubbing will be diligent today, again.
Cmte this yr is much, much further along in the process than it was last ar. My interpretation is the bracket(s) will be nearly done tonight
Reminder that the sel. cmte has firmly stated principles and procedures. RPI-colored decisions are inevitable, Hopefully this is the last yr
Also: committee members do not reference individual bracketologists in-season, but they do consult bit.ly/Y8j8bH. For instance ...
If cmte has Team X as a 5, but BracketMatrix has that team as a 3 or a 7, they will step back and just make sure all boxes have been checked
I do think cmte is very intrigued by the three top P-12 teams, and where to place them, how to seed. Same for Hall/Marq/Providence/Xavier.
Last thought: Few cmte members told me countering data on team resumes (teams in 6-9 seed range) will make for interesting choices. I agree.
---these tweets were posted in a string of tweets from 0954-1006 this morning.
Quote from: fjm on March 11, 2017, 10:54:04 AM
CBS Writer may have just leaked that we are DEFINITELY in the field:
String of tweets from @mattnorlander:
Some general thoughts after talking with selection committee members this morning in Manhattan. ...
Seems like the No.1 overall seed is still up for debate—as is the discussion in terms of who gets the four 1s.
As of 9 a.m., not one team was seeded, officially. I think that probably changes by noon. Seed scrubbing will be diligent today, again.
Cmte this yr is much, much further along in the process than it was last ar. My interpretation is the bracket(s) will be nearly done tonight
Reminder that the sel. cmte has firmly stated principles and procedures. RPI-colored decisions are inevitable, Hopefully this is the last yr
Also: committee members do not reference individual bracketologists in-season, but they do consult bit.ly/Y8j8bH. For instance ...
If cmte has Team X as a 5, but BracketMatrix has that team as a 3 or a 7, they will step back and just make sure all boxes have been checked
I do think cmte is very intrigued by the three top P-12 teams, and where to place them, how to seed. Same for Hall/Marq/Providence/Xavier.
Last thought: Few cmte members told me countering data on team resumes (teams in 6-9 seed range) will make for interesting choices. I agree.
---these tweets were posted in a string of tweets from 0954-1006 this morning.
Best thing I've read all day.
Agreed. Just curious as to what they mean concerning RPI colored decisions.
I'm thinking they mean RPI, RPI too 50/100 wins
Love it. It is an interesting question. Need to pull back from those teams and just look at the numbers. But will be very interesting, we have the best win and computer rankings but worst RPI, Xavier has the best RPI and SOS, and while Seton Hall and Providence are in the middle of RPI, SOS, and bottom of computer rankings, they have a combined 6-4 record against the other two.
Sorry if this was already posted.
Newest bracketmatrix has us up to the 2nd #10 seed. One spot higher than yesterday.
Quote from: fjm on March 11, 2017, 10:54:04 AM
CBS Writer may have just leaked that we are DEFINITELY in the field:
String of tweets from @mattnorlander:
Some general thoughts after talking with selection committee members this morning in Manhattan. ...
Seems like the No.1 overall seed is still up for debate—as is the discussion in terms of who gets the four 1s.
As of 9 a.m., not one team was seeded, officially. I think that probably changes by noon. Seed scrubbing will be diligent today, again.
Cmte this yr is much, much further along in the process than it was last ar. My interpretation is the bracket(s) will be nearly done tonight
Reminder that the sel. cmte has firmly stated principles and procedures. RPI-colored decisions are inevitable, Hopefully this is the last yr
Also: committee members do not reference individual bracketologists in-season, but they do consult bit.ly/Y8j8bH. For instance ...
If cmte has Team X as a 5, but BracketMatrix has that team as a 3 or a 7, they will step back and just make sure all boxes have been checked
I do think cmte is very intrigued by the three top P-12 teams, and where to place them, how to seed. Same for Hall/Marq/Providence/Xavier.
Last thought: Few cmte members told me countering data on team resumes (teams in 6-9 seed range) will make for interesting choices. I agree.
---these tweets were posted in a string of tweets from 0954-1006 this morning.
#donedeal?
I really think you can throw a blanket over 4 BEast teams in question. While one might end up in Dayton, I really think there's no chance the committee sends one to the NIT. Who and on what basis relative to the other 3?
And I could be way off but it really does seem to me that the committee will find 4 teams to send to Dayton from other conferences. For example, if they feel strongly about Cuse being in the field, the ONLY option is Dayton. Wake, USC, Kansas St., maybe Illinois State if they're feeling generous and there's no stolen bids? None of those schools have the resume of the 4 BEast teams.
I suppose if I was forced to send one I'd pick X (respecting conference final standings) or Providence (too many bad losses). But I think all are clustered from about 36 to about 42 on the S-curve.
Quote from: jsglow on March 11, 2017, 01:21:29 PM
I really think you can throw a blanket over 4 BEast teams in question. While one might end up in Dayton, I really think there's no chance the committee sends one to the NIT. Who and on what basis relative to the other 3?
And I could be way off but it really does seem to me that the committee will find 4 teams to send to Dayton from other conferences. For example, if they feel strongly about Cuse being in the field, the ONLY option is Dayton. Wake, USC, Kansas St., maybe Illinois State if they're feeling generous and there's no stolen bids? None of those schools have the resume of the 4 BEast teams.
I suppose if I was forced to send one I'd pick X (respecting conference final standings) or Providence (too many bad losses). But I think all are clustered from about 36 to about 42 on the S-curve.
My worry is with 7 BE teams, of which 4-5 are relatively equal..for purposes of balancing the bracket..a BE team could end up in Dayton. Could be MU. If only 6 BE teams make it..PC has to be the team out..based on the fact they are the ONLY major conference team under consideration with 2 sub 200 RPI losses.
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2017, 01:35:33 PM
My worry is with 7 BE teams, of which 4-5 are relatively equal..for purposes of balancing the bracket..a BE team could end up in Dayton. Could be MU. If only 6 BE teams make it..PC has to be the team out..based on the fact they are the ONLY major conference team under consideration with 2 sub 200 RPI losses.
Guru, you're gonna give yourself an ulser. Relax brother. We'll know soon enough.