that way we don't become an 8 or 9 seed? i kinda like the 10 seed.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on March 07, 2017, 08:25:23 PM
that way we don't become an 8 or 9 seed? i kinda like the 10 seed.
I think we would be a 11 if we lost but on Sunday I feel like are seed will surprise all of us
No. Better to win.
nm
Win Every Day!
I'll always take a win over a loss, no matter the situation
Must win first round of BET...
After that, it doesn't matter. The BET is so late in the schedule that the teams who play in the championship are at a disadvantage in the NCAA tournament. I'd rather have a 2-3 game run in the NCAA than win the BET.
Quote from: WarriorFan on March 07, 2017, 08:47:53 PM
Must win first round of BET...
After that, it doesn't matter. The BET is so late in the schedule that the teams who play in the championship are at a disadvantage in the NCAA tournament. I'd rather have a 2-3 game run in the NCAA than win the BET.
It really affected Villanova last year... NCAA Champs!
I would take a Big East Championship and an 8/9 seed over nothing and a 10 seed every day and 5 times on Sunday. Only way to do it is to keep winning.
Porky believes it's essential to secure a W to guarantee an invite to the dance. Not convinced we're a lock yet.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on March 07, 2017, 08:56:38 PM
It really affected Villanova last year... NCAA Champs!
Plus...UCONN says "What?"
Quote from: PorkysButthole on March 07, 2017, 09:11:18 PM
Porky believes it's essential to secure a W to guarantee an invite to the dance. Not convinced we're a lock yet.
I agree with this analysis.
Quote from: PorkysButthole on March 07, 2017, 09:11:18 PM
Porky believes it's essential to secure a W to guarantee an invite to the dance. Not convinced we're a lock yet.
Are you "Tmoney" the guy who talks in third person on the Vadger board?
Why? Seed no Matta. If were going to win, we need to beat them anyways.
Time to win The Belt for a second time this year.
Quote from: PorkysButthole on March 07, 2017, 09:11:18 PM
Porky believes it's essential to secure a W to guarantee an invite to the dance. Not convinced we're a lock yet.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 07, 2017, 09:43:37 PM
I agree with this analysis.
I disagree with this analysis.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 07, 2017, 08:57:31 PM
I would take a Big East Championship and an 8/9 seed over nothing and a 10 seed every day and 5 times on Sunday. Only way to do it is to keep winning.
We're gonna be better than 8 seed if we win the BET.
Quote from: PorkysButthole on March 07, 2017, 09:11:18 PM
Porky believes it's essential to secure a W to guarantee an invite to the dance. Not convinced we're a lock yet.
Porkys wrong.
I say we do what the women did and see how the NCAAs go.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 07, 2017, 10:12:38 PM
I say we do what the women did and see how the NCAAs go.
I vote for this one.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 07, 2017, 10:12:38 PM
I say we do what the women did and see how the NCAAs go.
Can the men play DePaul in the title game, too?
NO. Kill 'em all. No prisoners.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 07, 2017, 10:26:48 PM
NO. Kill 'em all. No prisoners.
Ding ding ding! The "get the loss out of the way" for a hot team and the "play to avoid the number X seed" mentalities are BS. Compete every game. Win every game.
Just win, baby.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 07, 2017, 08:57:31 PM
I would take a Big East Championship and an 8/9 seed over nothing and a 10 seed every day and 5 times on Sunday. Only way to do it is to keep winning.
Wouldn't we be higher?
That would be like 10 top 50 wins. 2 of which are nova...maybe Butler too?
And our RPI would be much less a hindrance
This is all of course if we get crazy hot for 3 days
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 07, 2017, 10:06:40 PM
We're gonna be better than 8 seed if we win the BET.
Possible, but not a guarantee. It would depend on we beat. It would also depend on how other conference tourneys go. Committee historically values wins/losses in conference tourneys less wins/losses in the regular season. It really hard to move up and down seed lines at this point.
Quote from: PorkysButthole on March 07, 2017, 09:11:18 PM
Porky believes it's essential to secure a W to guarantee an invite to the dance. Not convinced we're a lock yet.
Depends on your definition of lock. If by lock you mean "impossible to be left out" then you are correct, though I don't think one more win against Seton Hall would get us there. By lock I mean "in the tournament barring extraordinary results with an unprecedented amount of bid thieves." Given that two of the most dangerous bid thief conferences, WCC and MVC, made it through with no drama, I'm feeling pretty confident.
Answer to original question: no. Never.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 07, 2017, 08:43:52 PM
No. Better to win.
+1000.
Unless we get to the championship game. Then we should lose so people don't expect too much next year.
Quote from: brandx on March 07, 2017, 11:48:58 PM
+1000.
Unless we get to the championship game. Then we should lose so people don't expect too much next year.
next year should bebetter then this year. So im expecting a top 4 big east finish with arun at the title.
Quote from: WarriorFan on March 07, 2017, 08:47:53 PM
Must win first round of BET...
After that, it doesn't matter. The BET is so late in the schedule that the teams who play in the championship are at a disadvantage in the NCAA tournament. I'd rather have a 2-3 game run in the NCAA than win the BET.
Playing in a Conference championship game is not a disadvantage. 4 of the last 5 NCAA champs, didn't have time to go back further, played in their conference championship game.
Additionally the Big East game is on par and finishes earlier than many others.
Saturday Champ Games: Big East, ACC, Big 12, PAC 12
Sunday Champ Games: Big Ten, SEC, American, A-10
And there are many other smaller conferences that end Saturday and Sunday as well.
Quote from: DJOs Jaw on March 07, 2017, 08:47:43 PM
I'll always take a win over a loss, no matter the situation
A victory caked in filth rather than a loss cloaked with dignity??
As a fan, I've never much cared whether we win the conference tournament (unless we've needed to just to make the dance). If we get to the title game and win it, I'll be happy, but it won't disappoint me if we lose in the first round (as long as we make the dance). The only thing that would disappoint me would be if somebody got hurt ... but then again somebody could get hurt in practice.
Having said all that, the team should only aim to win every game in front of them. They keep score, so you might as well get the most points. They keep standings, so you might as well have the most wins.
Always win. I believe 1 win in the BET makes the Warriors a lock.
Full and fair disclosure - I also have a general belief in the 20 win Rule.
Quote from: brandx on March 07, 2017, 11:48:58 PM
+1000.
Unless we get to the championship game. Then we should lose so people don't expect too much next year.
I'll be very curious to see what expectations are like for next year. I think those threads in a month or two will make for some great discussion, regardless of how the next month goes.
Part of me hopes we lose just so all the people that are saying we need another win to make the tournament can be proven wrong.
Winning is better than losing, always and everywhere.
Winning makes me feel happy inside so I think it better to win
MU is already in. Win anyway.
For the life of me, I do not understand the idea that sometimes it is better to lose.
I graduated in 1983, and since I showed up on campus, we have won two regular season conference titles, one conference tournament and reached one Final Four. That's 4 individual banner-worthy (if you're not Tom Crean) things in 37 seasons. I'd like to see us win something important. Losing early in the BET doesn't guarantee us anything in the NCAA tournament, and it is debatable that it even helps us (maybe cost us a seed line or two). Win every day.
I don't know why some only have tunnel vision for the NCAA tourney. Winning the Big East Conference Tournament is one hell of an accomplishment and should be the goal every year.
Keep winning and get a 7!
Quote from: keefe on March 08, 2017, 01:42:09 AM
A victory caked in filth rather than a loss cloaked with dignity??
In basketball? Short of actually paying off the refs or going Tonya Harding on the other team's best player, I don't know that there is a basketball situation where I would take a loss over a win.
Of course we want to win... and winning the BET could mean up to 12 top 50 wins....6 seed maybe?
But I understand the hypothetical. If the sweet 16 and a week of nirvana is what we want...not only do we need to win game 1 but also 2. If that second game is against a 1 seed, I only think gonzaga we have a chance (although having beaten Nova, some hope). If we play a 2 seed (we get 10 or 7), then still so tough....maybe we can beat Oregon. If we get a 6/11 or 5/12 things look even rosier for game number 2.
Let's win the BET and get a 6/7 seed I say. But I understand the issue.
Maybe some years it would be best to avoid and 8 or 9 seed to avoid the 1 in the second round, but there is no dominant 1 like there is in the women's game that absolutely needs to be avoided. Some 2's and 3's are going to be just as dangerous as the 1's.
The only thing we can not do is lose by 20 and look non-competitive. Given our first 2 games against Hall, Sanogo being out, and how MU has been playing I don't think that happens, but the only thing I see putting any doubt in anyone's mind on Sunday is that.
Otherwise WIN is always the objective.
Lets just get a W and get our confidence extremely high before the tourney
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 07, 2017, 09:58:38 PM
I disagree with this analysis.
I agree with your analysis disagreeing with his analysis
Only if you are a 500 pound couch potato.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 07, 2017, 10:07:19 PM
Porkys wrong.
Porky hopes you're right about him being wrong! Nothing would make Porky Happier! Porky will lives in metro NYC and will be in attendance Thursday afternoon
Al McGuire is rolling in his grave at the thought of any Warrior ever asking a ridiculous question like this.
The ghost that will haunt you for asking this question is "arrogant and obnoxious," like his teams used to be.
WIN EVERY DAY!!!!!
It doesn't matter what we say about this at all. If anyone think that Wojo would be even contemplating this, they are insane. Wojo is crazy intense and definitely wants us to win the BET.
Which, by the way, would be a huge accomplishment for our university.
Quote from: WarriorFan on March 07, 2017, 08:47:53 PM
Must win first round of BET...
After that, it doesn't matter. The BET is so late in the schedule that the teams who play in the championship are at a disadvantage in the NCAA tournament. I'd rather have a 2-3 game run in the NCAA than win the BET.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on March 07, 2017, 08:56:38 PM
It really affected Villanova last year... NCAA Champs!
It didn't affect UConn in 2011 or Louisville in 2013 either.
In fact, of the last ten NCAA champions, only two (UNC in 2009 and Duke in 2015) failed to make their conference championship game. Of the 8 who made it, I believe 6 won it.
Obviously want a BEast sweep for MU and for us to land a 7 seed in Indy.
We had that mountaintop to doldrum experience after beating Nova, though. I do wonder about having a similar slump if we were to beat Nova and Butler to win the title. Don't want us to settle and lose that hunger if that would happen.
BUT you don't win a BET title by getting lucky every game. We will be playing at a high level if we make a run at the title. We won't look like a team with major deficiencies that just so happened to catch a good team on a bad night. I would hope we would learn from the mid-season slide post Nova if suddenly we find ourselves hoisting that trophy in the garden and that fire would carry over to the Big Dance.
It amazes me how some people don't put much value in the Big East tournament and would actually want us to lose if it means a different seed line. Sorry to say this but we aren't going to win the National Championship or make the Final Four (will gladly eat my words if I'm wrong) and I would LOVE to see us make a run in the BET. Would be a huge validation of Wojo's progress and a great season even if we don't win a game in the NCAAs.
Quote from: PorkysButthole on March 08, 2017, 08:57:24 AM
Porky hopes you're right about him being wrong! Nothing would make Porky Happier! Porky will lives in metro NYC and will be in attendance Thursday afternoon
mmmm bacon.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 07, 2017, 09:58:38 PM
I disagree with this analysis.
You only Disagree with the Easy ones.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on March 07, 2017, 08:25:23 PM
that way we don't become an 8 or 9 seed? i kinda like the 10 seed.
Someone must be bored
Ya cuz the 10 is etched in stone???!!! and there havent been 10,000 pundits that equally speculated that we need to beat Seton hall to get in???!!!
Getting in means 50 billion times more to this program at this stage of wojos tenure than winning a game.
In the ncaa tourney.
Makes u wanna slap someone
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 08, 2017, 11:33:41 AM
Someone must be bored
Ya cuz the 10 is etched in stone???!!! and there havent been 10,000 pundits that equally speculated that we need to beat Seton hall to get in???!!!
Getting in means 50 billion times more to this program at this stage of wojos tenure than winning a game.
Makes u wanna slap someone
Those pundits are wrong. They just need material to talk about. Don't kid yourself, MU is a stone cold lock to make the tournament. It doesn't matter what happens tomorrow with regard to getting in. I want a win, because I want MU to win the BET and win every game they play. But a loss is not a HUGE deal.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 08, 2017, 11:33:41 AM
Someone must be bored
Ya cuz the 10 is etched in stone???!!! and there havent been 10,000 pundits that equally speculated that we need to beat Seton hall to get in???!!!
Getting in means 50 billion times more to this program at this stage of wojos tenure than winning a game.
In the ncaa tourney.
Makes u wanna slap someone
Or one who pretty much recanted. But 10,000 is close.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 08, 2017, 11:38:03 AM
Those pundits are wrong. They just need material to talk about. Don't kid yourself, MU is a stone cold lock to make the tournament. It doesn't matter what happens tomorrow with regard to getting in. I want a win, because I want MU to win the BET and win every game they play. But a loss is not a HUGE deal.
So as a lock..you are speculating they got 8 of the 10 required committee votes to get in right away. That to me would mean a "lock". If they didnt get those votes and got put in the "under consideration" group..anything can happen then.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2017, 11:46:55 AM
So as a lock..you are speculating they got 8 of the 10 required committee votes to get in right away. That to me would mean a "lock". If they didnt get those votes and got put in the "under consideration" group..anything can happen then.
Ugh. I wouldn't be shocked if they got 8/10, because the 2 people that had them out of the field would be idiots.
Anything can happen. An asteroid could hit earth tomorrow and another college basketball game will never be played. If the NCAA tournament happens this year, and every remaining conference tournament champion is not won by a team that is dancing either way, Marquette is in the NCAAs.
It's ok to be cautious man. But it's also ok to enjoy it. MU is in. And they're probably an 8 or 9 seed in the committees eyes today. They aren't falling out.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 08, 2017, 11:50:32 AM
Ugh. I wouldn't be shocked if they got 8/10, because the 2 people that had them out of the field would be idiots.
Anything can happen. An asteroid could hit earth tomorrow and another college basketball game will never be played. If the NCAA tournament happens this year, and every remaining conference tournament champion is not won by a team that is dancing either way, Marquette is in the NCAAs.
It's ok to be cautious man. But it's also ok to enjoy it. MU is in. And they're probably an 8 or 9 seed in the committees eyes today. They aren't falling out.
Or better yet, why waste the energy worrying about something that is completely out of your control?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 07, 2017, 09:58:38 PM
I disagree with this analysis.
Here is a scouting report that asserts we need one more win.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-tournament-bubble-watch-wake-forest-is-in-but-cant-afford-a-loss-to-bc/
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 08, 2017, 02:05:07 PM
Here is a scouting report that asserts we need one more win.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-tournament-bubble-watch-wake-forest-is-in-but-cant-afford-a-loss-to-bc/
Incorrect. It says we are one win away from getting off the bubble list. Not 1 more win to get in the tournament. Huuuuuuuge difference.
And its Jerry Palm so....
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 08, 2017, 02:07:03 PM
Incorrect. It says we are one win away from getting off the bubble list. Not 1 more win to get in the tournament. Huuuuuuuge difference.
I am keen on getting off the bubble. Lets get the win.
There is an obvious angle we're missing here. Yes, barring oddities we are in. Yes, every game from here on out gives our underclassmen more experience. Yes, every win increases our national recognition.........Whatever!
Every game we win means another game broadcast with real good announcers. Listening to Raft and Gus I realize how quickly my bar was set at "well, they aren't obviously drunker than me and i can turn the volume down". Refreshing game to listen to.
Here's our game plan for the next 8 games...cut their heads off and pee down their throats.
WTF
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 08, 2017, 08:59:13 PM
Here's our game plan for the next 8 games...cut their heads off and pee down their throats.
WTF
I'd rather not stop at 8 and get that 9th.