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Title: Big East Tournament Bracket Oddity
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 05, 2017, 08:33:50 PM
The four teams that we split with during the regular season are all in our bracket.  The five teams in the other bracket include the three teams we swept and the two teams that swept us.  Weird.  I guess we won't have to worry about any of that "It's hard to beat a team three times stuff" (either way) unless and until we reach the final.
Title: Re: Big East Tournament Bracket Oddity
Post by: brewcity77 on March 05, 2017, 09:06:06 PM
Quote from: 4everCrean on March 05, 2017, 08:33:50 PM
The four teams that we split with during the regular season are all in our bracket.  The five teams in the other bracket include the three teams we swept and the two teams that swept us.  Wierd.  I guess we won't have to worry about any of that "It's hard to beat a team three times stuff" (either way) unless and until we reach the final.

Just realized that last night, but was laying in bed and fell asleep, then forgot all about it. Glad someone else had the lucidity to post this.

Basically, we'll have rubber matches the first two days, then either beat a team the first or third time. Weird situation.
Title: Re: Big East Tournament Bracket Oddity
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 05, 2017, 09:42:26 PM
I count Seton Hall as a sweep. That nonsense that allowed them to come back in game 1 was just a stroke of terrible luck.
Title: Re: Big East Tournament Bracket Oddity
Post by: brewcity77 on March 05, 2017, 10:05:14 PM
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on March 05, 2017, 09:42:26 PM
I count Seton Hall as a sweep. That nonsense that allowed them to come back in game 1 was just a stroke of terrible luck.

Could've just as easily been a sweep the other way after we puked it up at home only to escape in overtime. I thought we were dead in the extra frame with both Luke and Sam fouled out.
Title: Re: Big East Tournament Bracket Oddity
Post by: buckchuckler on March 05, 2017, 10:05:57 PM
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on March 05, 2017, 09:42:26 PM
I count Seton Hall as a sweep. That nonsense that allowed them to come back in game 1 was just a stroke of terrible luck.

Hmm.  More like terrible execution. 
Title: Re: Big East Tournament Bracket Oddity
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on March 05, 2017, 10:28:15 PM
I believe we can beat Hall but so does everyone right now. Man it feels good to be back
Title: Re: Big East Tournament Bracket Oddity
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 06, 2017, 05:33:02 AM
What I find odd is that the # 1 plays the winner of #8 or #9 while #2 plays the winner of #7 or #10 which means #2 could play the weakest team. To me it makes more sense that # 1 plays the winner of #9 and #10 while #2 plays the winner of #7 or #8.
Title: Re: Big East Tournament Bracket Oddity
Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 06, 2017, 05:43:52 AM
Gotta block out better on FT's. Make that play and have everything else the same and we'd be sitting in the 3-spot.
Title: Re: Big East Tournament Bracket Oddity
Post by: jsglow on March 06, 2017, 06:37:15 AM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 06, 2017, 05:33:02 AM
What I find odd is that the # 1 plays the winner of #8 or #9 while #2 plays the winner of #7 or #10 which means #2 could play the weakest team. To me it makes more sense that # 1 plays the winner of #9 and #10 while #2 plays the winner of #7 or #8.

Are you suggesting reseeding or are you saying that #7 should have to play #8?  By the way, both are bad ideas in my opinion and not the way any college basketball tournament is constructed to the best of my knowledge.
Title: Re: Big East Tournament Bracket Oddity
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 06, 2017, 07:51:17 AM
Quote from: jsglow on March 06, 2017, 06:37:15 AM
Are you suggesting reseeding or are you saying that #7 should have to play #8?  By the way, both are bad ideas in my opinion and not the way any college basketball tournament is constructed to the best of my knowledge.

Any tournament for that matter.
Title: Re: Big East Tournament Bracket Oddity
Post by: MarquetteDano on March 06, 2017, 07:56:57 AM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 06, 2017, 05:33:02 AM
What I find odd is that the # 1 plays the winner of #8 or #9 while #2 plays the winner of #7 or #10 which means #2 could play the weakest team. To me it makes more sense that # 1 plays the winner of #9 and #10 while #2 plays the winner of #7 or #8.


That is good for the #1 but unfair for the #7 and #8. Why should the #9 have an easier first round game than the #7 & #8?
Title: Re: Big East Tournament Bracket Oddity
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 06, 2017, 08:12:54 AM
Quote from: jsglow on March 06, 2017, 06:37:15 AM
Are you suggesting reseeding or are you saying that #7 should have to play #8?  By the way, both are bad ideas in my opinion and not the way any college basketball tournament is constructed to the best of my knowledge.

That is exactly what I am saying. That way the #1 team is guaranteed to play a lower seed than the #2 team. Yes, it is unfair for the 4 lowest seeded teams but that should be the price you pay for your regular season record. The way it is set up now # 1 could play #7 while #2 would play #9 or #8.
Title: Re: Big East Tournament Bracket Oddity
Post by: BossplayaOtto on March 06, 2017, 08:45:39 AM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 06, 2017, 08:12:54 AM
That is exactly what I am saying. That way the #1 team is guaranteed to play a lower seed than the #2 team. Yes, it is unfair for the 4 lowest seeded teams but that should be the price you pay for your regular season record. The way it is set up now # 1 could play #7 while #2 would play #9 or #8.

False.
Title: Re: Big East Tournament Bracket Oddity
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 06, 2017, 09:10:34 AM
Quote from: jsglow on March 06, 2017, 06:37:15 AM
Are you suggesting reseeding or are you saying that #7 should have to play #8?  By the way, both are bad ideas in my opinion and not the way any college basketball tournament is constructed to the best of my knowledge.

Actually I believe a few of the low majors do reseeding in their conference tourneys.
Title: Re: Big East Tournament Bracket Oddity
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 06, 2017, 09:13:35 AM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 06, 2017, 08:12:54 AM
That is exactly what I am saying. That way the #1 team is guaranteed to play a lower seed than the #2 team. Yes, it is unfair for the 4 lowest seeded teams but that should be the price you pay for your regular season record. The way it is set up now # 1 could play #7 while #2 would play #9 or #8.

No. #1 plays the winner of 8/9. #2 plays the winner of 7/10.

I can see an argument for reseeding (personally not a fan). But there is no argument for #7 to play #8 while #9 to play #10.
Title: Re: Big East Tournament Bracket Oddity
Post by: GB Warrior on March 06, 2017, 09:49:03 AM
Re-seeding is a good concept in small tournaments/playoffs - it works great in the NFL (Don't break it with 7 teams, Rog). It'd be a mess in the NCAA tournament if you re-seeded after the round of 64. Plus, not reseeding feeds the aura of the NCAA tournament, where the underdog assumes the benefit of the higher seed.

Sometimes, leave well enough alone. And if you're complaining about drawing the short straw as an 8 seed, well...
Title: Re: Big East Tournament Bracket Oddity
Post by: brewcity77 on March 06, 2017, 09:59:02 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 06, 2017, 09:13:35 AM
No. #1 plays the winner of 8/9. #2 plays the winner of 7/10.

I can see an argument for reseeding (personally not a fan). But there is no argument for #7 to play #8 while #9 to play #10.

+A gazillion

The idea of 7/8 and 9/10 matchups is absolutely ludicrous and completely undermines what the bracket concept is about. It would make as much sense to have 1/2 in the first round because they're closer seeds.
Title: Re: Big East Tournament Bracket Oddity
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on March 06, 2017, 06:26:58 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 06, 2017, 09:13:35 AM
No. #1 plays the winner of 8/9. #2 plays the winner of 7/10.

I can see an argument for reseeding (personally not a fan). But there is no argument for #7 to play #8 while #9 to play #10.

Not a fan of reseeding at all.  If it were to be done the #10 seed plays at 930PM ET on Wednesday and ends somewhere around midnight.  With the current schedule, a reseed would mean #10 would have to come back and play 12 hours later at noon on Thursday vs. the #1 seed vs. playing at 7 PM vs #2 currently.

Looking at it closer the winner of the #8 vs. #9 seed comes back 15 hours later to play at noon the next day.  Still not a fan of reseeding.
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