Steward Mandel of Fox has the Big East Getting SEVEN teams in
http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/bracket-watch-projections-predictions-bracketology-ncaa-tournament-mandel-022817
Nova - 1 seed
Butler - 3 seed
Creighton - 6 seed
Xavier - 9 seed
MU 9 - seed
Seton Hall - 10 seed
Providence - 11 seed
It would be great for MU and the Big East if this happened. Especially considering the seven does not include "blue blood Georgetown."
All that said, this seems aggressive ... what say you?
Any hope of a 7 if we win Sat? 8-9 runs right into #1.
Well, half the conference was top 30 when conference season started. So yes, 7 BE teams are within the best 68 teams in the land.
Sure. Would be surprised if 1 of the 7 weren't in the PIG, but 7 very possible at this point.
Lunardi just tweeted about 15 minutes ago his "last four in"...
Xavier, Cal, USC, Wake Forest
First four out:
Vandy, GT, Rhode Island, K-State
Hope Xavier gets in for all the injuries they endured this year. They'll play Depaul in back to back games. Will those 2 wins be enough to get into the tournament? I would think so..
Quote from: amen426 on March 01, 2017, 10:39:42 PM
Lunardi just tweeted about 15 minutes ago his "last four in"...
Xavier, Cal, USC, Wake Forest
First four out:
Vandy, GT, Rhode Island, K-State
Hope Xavier gets in for all the injuries they endured this year. They'll play Depaul in back to back games. Will those 2 wins be enough to get into the tournament? I would think so..
The bolded is why that win was huge. We swept Xavier, they only have Depaul left winning doesn't improve their situation at all. Losing doesn't really hurt us compared to them, so we should always stay a spot in front of them.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 01, 2017, 10:36:17 PM
Well, half the conference was top 30 when conference season started. So yes, 7 BE teams are within the best 68 teams in the land.
Agreed, but i have a feeling only 6 make it.
FWIW, Lunardi now has X as last 4 in after tonight, and they're in trouble. They have not really beaten anyone of consequence save for Creighton (road).
That said, this conference has lived up to its glory day legacy of beating up on itself: MU sweeps XU, Prov sweeps MU, yada yada yada.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 01, 2017, 10:42:33 PM
FWIW, Lunardi now has X as last 4 in after tonight, and they're in trouble. They have not really beaten anyone of consequence save for Creighton (road).
True, but they'll clobber DePaul this weekend, and likely squeak into the NCAA. But even if they don't I'd rather MU makes it than X.
Xavier needs to beat DePaul, and possibly twice as they could still get the 7. Can't afford a slip-up, but should be okay at 20-13 (9-9) on body of work, though man it's been an ugly month for them.
Xavier only gets in if they take 7 teams. In my mind their is no way they can take Xavier ahead us. Right now my only worried would be if the committee only wants to give the Big East 5 bids. Beat Creighton on Saturday and there are no worries. Xavier will be definately out if they lose either game to DePaul. We probably want Xavier to win both games.
Quote from: bilsu on March 01, 2017, 11:00:16 PM
Xavier only gets in if they take 7 teams. In my mind their is no way they can take Xavier ahead us. Right now my only worried would be if the committee only wants to give the Big East 5 bids. Beat Creighton on Saturday and there are no worries. Xavier will be definately out if they lose either game to DePaul. We probably want Xavier to win both games.
You'd find a way to make any scenario depressing.
I think the BET will have a big impact on the total number of Big East Teams in the tournament. The Big East Bubble teams who can get to the semi finals will have pretty good resumes. If one of the Bubble teams wins the tournament it will help everyone for the most part.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 01, 2017, 10:42:33 PM
Agreed, but i have a feeling only 6 make it.
FWIW, Lunardi now has X as last 4 in after tonight, and they're in trouble. They have not really beaten anyone of consequence save for Creighton (road).
That said, this conference has lived up to its glory day legacy of beating up on itself: MU sweeps XU, Prov sweeps MU, yada yada yada.
What might end up being big for X, is the win against Wake.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 01, 2017, 10:57:39 PM
Xavier needs to beat DePaul, and possibly twice as they could still get the 7. Can't afford a slip-up, but should be okay at 20-13 (9-9) on body of work, though man it's been an ugly month for them.
Though DePaul is bad, they haven't quit on Leitao. Almost beat Seton Hall last Saturday. They have played most of the league quite tight at home. Scary, scary game for Xavier.
Reminds me of a similar situation back in 2012. Last conference game of the season and Seton Hall limped into the AllState right on the bubble. Got flat-out destroyed by a terrible DePaul squad. This was the Herb Pope Hall team, missed the tourney.
X wins the next two and maybe one in the BET; MU, SH & Prov win Saturday; SJU goes all the way in the BET...
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Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 01, 2017, 11:45:26 PM
X wins the next two and maybe one in the BET; MU, SH & Prov win Saturday; SJU goes all the way in the BET...
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In the old days that would get a Sports Illustrated cover for the Big East.
When the league got 11 of 16 even that was only 69%.
70% would be amazing.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 01, 2017, 10:57:39 PM
Xavier needs to beat DePaul, and possibly twice as they could still get the 7. Can't afford a slip-up, but should be okay at 20-13 (9-9) on body of work, though man it's been an ugly month for them.
+1
Even though I believe not published on the site until later today......
Joe Lunardi has dropped Xavier to an 11 seed updated after last night......
Who would think that Depaul could have the chance to take a 2nd BEast team out of contention.....
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 01, 2017, 11:02:39 PM
You'd find a way to make any scenario depressing.
I look at the possibilities. The risk to MU is how many bids the committee thinks the Big East deserves. Certainly, I could see them not wanting to give Big East 7 bids.
It comes down to how many bids they are going to give to the other power 6 conferences. If they are putting in team's like Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Iowa, etc. because they think those leagues deserve more bids than it is coming out of someone else's hide. Also, you have the risk of an unexpected team winning the power conference's tourney. For example if they feel there are 9 ACC teams that deserve bids and somehow one of the other teams win the conference tourney. Personally, I think the ACC should not get an extra bid if this happens, but it more likely is going to drop a last four in team. The last bracketology had three Big East teams in the last four, so anything funny happening is likely to hurt our conference. Also, I do not believe they will allow 3 Big East teams in the play in games, which means they would have to move a team up or out.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 01, 2017, 10:34:15 PM
Any hope of a 7 if we win Sat? 8-9 runs right into #1.
I rather be a 10, 11 or 12. Three 11 seeds have made it to the final 4. Nova was the lowest seeded team to win it all back in '85 as an 8 seed.
Quote from: bilsu on March 02, 2017, 12:48:05 PM
I look at the possibilities. The risk to MU is how many bids the committee thinks the Big East deserves. Certainly, I could see them not wanting to give Big East 7 bids.
It comes down to how many bids they are going to give to the other power 6 conferences. If they are putting in team's like Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Iowa, etc. because they think those leagues deserve more bids than it is coming out of someone else's hide. Also, you have the risk of an unexpected team winning the power conference's tourney. For example if they feel there are 9 ACC teams that deserve bids and somehow one of the other teams win the conference tourney. Personally, I think the ACC should not get an extra bid if this happens, but it more likely is going to drop a last four in team. The last bracketology had three Big East teams in the last four, so anything funny happening is likely to hurt our conference. Also, I do not believe they will allow 3 Big East teams in the play in games, which means they would have to move a team up or out.
I think MU,Providence and Seton Hall doing well are helping the entire league. The case for 7 Big East teams is strong if those 3 keep performing well.
The good news for the Big East is all 7 candidates had decent non conference results.
Quote from: bilsu on March 01, 2017, 11:00:16 PM
Xavier only gets in if they take 7 teams. In my mind their is no way they can take Xavier ahead us. Right now my only worried would be if the committee only wants to give the Big East 5 bids.
The committee give teams bids, not leagues. Plus, I don't think the committee is saying I feel like giving the Big East only 5 bids. :o
What are the final games on Saturday? I know we play Creighton and X plays Depaul.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 01, 2017, 10:34:15 PM
Any hope of a 7 if we win Sat? 8-9 runs right into #1.
I think that's pushing it. A lot of brackets still have us as a 10 or 11. Going to take a few wins at the BET to move up to a 7.
I think if we beat Creighton, we are probably at best a 9 going into the BET. If we lose, we are an 11, possibly playing in Dayton.
Quote from: Coleman on March 02, 2017, 02:08:09 PM
I think that's pushing it. A lot of brackets still have us as a 10 or 11. Going to take a few wins at the BET to move up to a 7.
I think if we beat Creighton, we are probably at best a 9 going into the BET. If we lose, we are an 11, possibly playing in Dayton.
I think a win on Saturday pretty much clinches no Dayton for us. We have a significantly better resume than the last four teams in currently.
Marquette - 18-11 (9-8)
Remaining Schedule: vs. Creighton, BE Tourney
Best Wins: vs. Villanova, @ Creighton, @ Xavier
Worst Losses: @ SJU, @ Georgetown, vs. PITT
Computer Numbers: Kenpom (30), RPI (58), Sagrin (30), BPI (29), SOR (47)
Record vs. top 50: 6-6
Record vs. top 100: 9-10
Lunardi's First Four Out:
Vandy - 16-14 (9-8)
Remaining Schedule: vs.Florida, SEC Tourney
Best 3 wins: @ Florida, vs. South Carolina, vs. Iowa State
Worst 3 losses: @Alabama, vs. Tennesse, vs. Bucknell
Computer Numbers: Kenpom (40), RPI (49), Sagrin (50), BPI (50), SOR (64)
Record vs. top 50: 4-7
Record vs. top 100: 9-13
Georgia Tech - 17-13 (8-9)
Remaining Schedule: @ Cuse, ACC Tourney
Best 3 wins: vs. UNC, vs. Fl State, @ VCU
Worst 3 losses: vs. Ohio, vs. NC State, @ Penn State
Computer Numbers: Kenpom (76), RPI (94), Sagrin (67), BPI (89), SOR (55)
Record vs. top 50: 4-7
Record vs. top 100: 6-11
Rhode Island - 20-9 (12-5)
Remaining Schedule: vs. Davidson, A10 Tourney
Best 3 wins: vs. Cinci, vs. VCU, vs. Belmont
Worst 3 losses: vs. Fordham, vs. LaSalle, @ Richmond
Computer Numbers: Kenpom (49), RPI (44), Sagrin (52), BPI (37), SOR (57)
Record vs. top 50: 2-3
Record vs. top 100: 4-7
Kansas State 18-12 (7-10)
Remaining Schedule: vs. Texas Tech, B12 Tourney
Best Wins: @ Baylor, vs. WVU, @ OK State
Worst Losses: @ Oklahoma, @ Texas Tech, @ Tennessee
Computer Numbers: Kenpom (35), RPI (59), Sagrin (41), BPI (42), SOR (48)
Record vs. top 50: 3-8
Record vs. top 100: 5-11
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Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 02, 2017, 02:16:21 PM
I think a win on Saturday pretty much clinches no Dayton for us. We have a significantly better resume than the last four teams in currently.
Marquette - 18-11 (9-8)
Remaining Schedule: vs. Creighton, BE Tourney
Best Wins: vs. Villanova, @ Creighton, @ Xavier
Worst Losses: @ SJU, @ Georgetown, vs. PITT
Computer Numbers: Kenpom (30), RPI (58), Sagrin (30), BPI (29), SOR (47)
Record vs. top 50: 6-6
Record vs. top 100: 9-10
Lunardi's First Four Out:
Vandy - 16-14 (9-8)
Remaining Schedule: vs.Florida, SEC Tourney
Best 3 wins: @ Florida, vs. South Carolina, vs. Iowa State
Worst 3 losses: @Alabama, vs. Tennesse, vs. Bucknell
Computer Numbers: Kenpom (40), RPI (49), Sagrin (50), BPI (50), SOR (64)
Record vs. top 50: 4-7
Record vs. top 100: 9-13
Georgia Tech - 17-13 (8-9)
Remaining Schedule: @ Cuse, ACC Tourney
Best 3 wins: vs. UNC, vs. Fl State, @ VCU
Worst 3 losses: vs. Ohio, vs. NC State, @ Penn State
Computer Numbers: Kenpom (76), RPI (94), Sagrin (67), BPI (89), SOR (55)
Record vs. top 50: 4-7
Record vs. top 100: 6-11
Rhode Island - 20-9 (12-5)
Remaining Schedule: vs. Davidson, A10 Tourney
Best 3 wins: vs. Cinci, vs. VCU, vs. Belmont
Worst 3 losses: vs. Fordham, vs. LaSalle, @ Richmond
Computer Numbers: Kenpom (49), RPI (44), Sagrin (52), BPI (37), SOR (57)
Record vs. top 50: 2-3
Record vs. top 100: 4-7
Kansas State 18-12 (7-10)
Remaining Schedule: vs. Texas Tech, B12 Tourney
Best Wins: @ Baylor, vs. WVU, @ OK State
Worst Losses: @ Oklahoma, @ Texas Tech, @ Tennessee
Computer Numbers: Kenpom (35), RPI (59), Sagrin (41), BPI (42), SOR (48)
Record vs. top 50: 3-8
Record vs. top 100: 5-11
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I agree, and that's what I just said. I said with a win we are probably a 9 or 10, and with a loss, we are probably an 11, possibly in Dayton. Not sure what the point of your post is.
Quote from: Coleman on March 02, 2017, 02:26:58 PM
I agree, and that's what I just said. I said with a win we are probably a 9 or 10, and with a loss, we are probably an 11, possibly in Dayton. Not sure what the point of your post is.
Just misread your post. My bad. :-\
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 02, 2017, 02:28:21 PM
Just misread your post. My bad. :-\
Its ok. To the original question, in my opinion, moving all the way up to a 7 will probably take at least 2 wins in the BET.
Please let this bracket happen
http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/03/02/bracketology-kansas-leads-final-march-to-selection-sunday/ (http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/03/02/bracketology-kansas-leads-final-march-to-selection-sunday/)
At this point I think the only ones at risk are X and PC. MU and SHs last games are against good opponents. A loss doesn't hurt us.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 02, 2017, 02:00:32 PM
What are the final games on Saturday? I know we play Creighton and X plays Depaul.
Nova @ GTown
PC @SJU
SHU @ Butler
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 01, 2017, 10:51:05 PM
True, but they'll clobber DePaul this weekend, and likely squeak into the NCAA. But even if they don't I'd rather MU makes it than X.
Don't think Beast gets 7, and Xavier should not make it.
I think they got 7 after today.
Quality road win for the Hall. Helps MU.