At one point in December IU was #3 and beat UNC. Now they are 16-14 (6-11) ... and 3 - 8 in the last 11.
They have two to play, @tOSU and then the first round of the B1G. Lose both, which is very possible, and they will fail to be above .500 for the first time since 2011 (the middle of their rebuilding).
Looks like they have quit on Crean. Is it worth the huge buyout to get rid of him?
Everything I've heard from Indiana people he's going to be out. Very interesting though, buyout is at 4 mil right now but drops to a mil on July 1. We shall see.
Every year since I4, some posters have predicted that this is the year Crean gets ousted. One year, they will be correct.
Have heard some people float the idea that Crean will take the NC State job in order to avoid getting fired. He might actually be good there. He has good program building skills.
If you fire a coach you don't wait to July.
The key provision IU would bring up to get people off the $4MM concerns would be the offset provisions
Horrible contract by Glass & IU at the outset.
Thanks to the favorable contract language, advice to Crean would be do light media work for a year or two unless there's an incredible coaching job available
The announcers in that game were insufferable. Just horrific. ESPN just sucks.
Injuries, no experienced point guard. Dakich is a clown, but he said that there is a distance between the players and the coaching staff. BTW, if Crean goes to NCS will it turn out that Chico went there, too?
Now that he's 50 is he going to have the same energy for rebuilding that he had at MU & Indiana. TC's game is young man's work. He might be done. NC State could turn out very poorly.
He's a year from being B1G coach of the year and everybody saying how amazing his coaching job was. Jeeze people turn face quick
Is he going to get an ACC opportunity.....
Does his resume warrant that?????
I know there is a "real" dearth of great head coaches but an ACC position is upper echelon......
I am thinking more South Florida......Tan and all.....
Perfect fit......
And skimpy cheerleader outfits also......For anyone who wants to where one.....at say.....An opening press conference.....
Also heard Mizzou... A terrible contract indeed, where was he going to go that was considered better than I4? Was that contract specifically for Michigan state if izzo ever left?
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 01, 2017, 07:09:14 AM
He's a year from being B1G coach of the year and everybody saying how amazing his coaching job was. Jeeze people turn face quick
Indiana has a delusional fan base who never really embraced him. Not that he's the most embraceable guy either. I never thought it would end well for him there.
Tough job with high expectations. But better job in my opinion than NC State.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 01, 2017, 07:48:11 AM
Indiana has a delusional fan base who never really embraced him. Not that he's the most embraceable guy either. I never thought it would end well for him there.
Tough job with high expectations. But better job in my opinion than NC State.
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Yeah, they won the B-10 regular season championship in 2013 and 2016. Under Crean they have never won the Big-10 Championship Game and never even reached the championship game. Tough expectations for their fans, especially since Indy is a blue blood and his incredible salary. But this year's team was really hurt by injuries and maybe he gets one more chance next year.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 01, 2017, 07:48:11 AM
Indiana has a delusional fan base who never really embraced him. Not that he's the most embraceable guy either. I never thought it would end well for him there.
Tough job with high expectations. But better job in my opinion than NC State.
I think it's gone as I sort of expected. He's delivering similar results to his time at MU, which I think is his ceiling. That's good for a lot of places, but not the IU fan base. He did a good job of bringing them back, but they probably need someone different to keep them near the top consistently. I don't know if that coach is out there.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 01, 2017, 01:03:43 AM
Every year since I4, some posters have predicted that this is the year Crean gets ousted. One year, they will be correct.
Have heard some people float the idea that Crean will take the NC State job in order to avoid getting fired. He might actually be good there. He has good program building skills.
I've heard this as well from someone in the know. Heard he "has already accepted it".
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Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 01, 2017, 07:48:11 AM
Indiana has a delusional fan base who never really embraced him. Not that he's the most embraceable guy either. I never thought it would end well for him there.
Tough job with high expectations. But better job in my opinion than NC State.
I think we can relate to this.
Indiana fans believe they have a God-Given right to a slot in the Final Four. I have to believe there is a quite reverence to Bobby Knight -- despite the way he left -- that's on par with our reverence for Al. Their fan base remembers the good ole days and thinks with tradition, budget and commitment, there is no reason why they can't be an elite program.
Sound familiar Warrior fans?
At some point, IU will get there, as will we. It aint going to be with the Tanned One.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 01, 2017, 08:26:02 AM
I think we can relate to this.
Indiana fans believe they have a God-Given right to a slot in the Final Four. I have to believe there is a quite reverence to Bobby Knight -- despite the way he left -- that's on par with our reverence for Al. Their fan base remembers the good ole days and thinks with tradition, budget and commitment, there is no reason why they can't be an elite program.
Sound familiar Warrior fans?
At some point, IU will get there, as will we. It aint going to be with the Tanned One.
Similar yes but I'd say at least IU has reasonable cause to expect to contend for titles. We don't really have that
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 01, 2017, 08:34:41 AM
Similar yes but I'd say at least IU has reasonable cause to expect to contend for titles. We don't really have that
Curious but what makes you feel they have more of a right?
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 01, 2017, 10:05:35 AM
Curious but what makes you feel they have more of a right?
Duh... because it's Indiana. It's Indiana.
If da mofo had any self-respect, he'd quit and be Wade's housekeeper, chef, and chauffeur 'cuz T-Cubed ain't chit witout 'im, ai na?
Crean should worship at the altar of Dwade.
His two best teams were the Wade-Jackson-Merritt-Diener-Novak team that made the 2003 Final Four and the IU team about four years ago that made the Sweet 16 and then was upset.
Crean's problem is he cannot consistently recruit nor am I impressed with his in-game coaching. With an Indiana/BIG platform, there's no reason that he should have the problems he's having now. His team this year has something terribly wrong. They can beat UNC one day and lose to IUPUI-Ft. Wayne almost on the next. Folks, that's coaching. Period.
At least when we lost this year, it was in conference or two major national teams (Pitt, Michigan).
Crean has had two "to-die-for" opportunities -- us with our massive basketball budget and IU. If he can't sustain excellence at either of these schools, what makes anyone think he can do it at NC State?
Paraphrasing his future introductory press conference: "I was such a big NC State fan growing up. I remember after 1974 when they won the national championship I wrote a letter to Norm Sloan and he sent back a signed program. It was one of my most treasured possessions."
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 01, 2017, 08:08:28 AM
I think it's gone as I sort of expected. He's delivering similar results to his time at MU, which I think is his ceiling. That's good for a lot of places, but not the IU fan base. He did a good job of bringing them back, but they probably need someone different to keep them near the top consistently. I don't know if that coach is out there.
How about his shadow, Buzz?
Quote from: Cooby Snacks on March 01, 2017, 11:45:11 AM
Paraphrasing his future introductory press conference: "I was such a big NC State fan growing up. I remember after 1974 when they won the national championship I wrote a letter to Norm Sloan and he sent back a signed program. It was one of my most treasured possessions."
Despite what you above, any of us here would certainly like to have his bank account.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 01, 2017, 10:48:58 AM
Crean's problem is he cannot consistently recruit nor am I impressed with his in-game coaching.
You can't spend all the time in college basketball and not know how to coach.
Crean's problem is, and always has been, his personality (for lack of a better word). He's a jackass and it affects recruiting. The Indiana HS coaches see right through him. Those recruits he does land, tune him out by the end of the season because he's so phony. It's also why he twice turned over an entire coaching staff at MU. Players, coaches, fans...Nobody can stand him!
Quote from: CreanLover on March 01, 2017, 02:35:48 PM
You can't spend all the time in college basketball and not know how to coach.
Crean's problem is, and always has been, his personality (for lack of a better word). He's a jackass and it affects recruiting. The Indiana HS coaches see right through him. Those recruits he does land, tune him out by the end of the season because he's so phony. It's also why he twice turned over an entire coaching staff at MU. Players, coaches, fans...Nobody can stand him!
For a guy everyone tunes out, he's been able to send multiple players to the NBA and he's been able to win multiple conference championships and he's been able to reach the second weekend multiple times.
Considering the dire situation we presently find Marquette basketball residing, the above would be quite an accomplishment for Wojo in the next six years. Let's hope everyone in the program starts tuning our guy out.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 01, 2017, 02:42:50 PM
For a guy everyone tunes out, he's been able to send multiple players to the NBA and he's been able to win multiple conference championships and he's been able to reach the second weekend multiple times.
Considering the dire situation we presently find Marquette basketball residing, the above would be quite an accomplishment for Wojo in the next six years. Let's hope everyone in the program starts tuning our guy out.
If our last 2 recruiting classes are "dire" then I'll take "dire."
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 01, 2017, 10:05:35 AM
Curious but what makes you feel they have more of a right?
Because they're tied for 3rd for most titles and can tack on another title appearance and 2 more final fours to their resume.
As far as titles go we're in a club with Holy cross, City College of New York, Loyola Chicago, and more. An Elite club sure but not one that warrants an expectation of titles every year.
Crean is getting his ass handed to him in-state recruiting wise. I believe the last top 100 player he got out of an Indiana high school was James Blackmon back in 2014.
Quote from: CreanLover on March 01, 2017, 02:51:16 PM
If our last 2 recruiting classes are "dire" then I'll take "dire."
Conveniently, you've missed the point.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 01, 2017, 08:26:02 AM
I think we can relate to this.
Indiana fans believe they have a God-Given right to a slot in the Final Four. I have to believe there is a quite reverence to Bobby Knight -- despite the way he left -- that's on par with our reverence for Al. Their fan base remembers the good ole days and thinks with tradition, budget and commitment, there is no reason why they can't be an elite program.
Sound familiar Warrior fans?
At some point, IU will get there, as will we. It aint going to be with the Tanned One.
I4 fans think they have a god-given right to the Final Four.
MU fans generally perceive a god-given right to the dance, with frequent trips to the Sweet Sixteen and occasional trips to the Final Four.
Same idea...but TC had the ability to deliver on the latter. Not so much with the former.
Quote from: CreanLover on March 01, 2017, 02:35:48 PM
You can't spend all the time in college basketball and not know how to coach.
Crean's problem is, and always has been, his personality (for lack of a better word). He's a jackass and it affects recruiting. The Indiana HS coaches see right through him. Those recruits he does land, tune him out by the end of the season because he's so phony. It's also why he twice turned over an entire coaching staff at MU. Players, coaches, fans...Nobody can stand him!
True. He's a phony with a capital PH. Even Chico (his one remaining acolyte) concedes he's a pud.
I'm not sure on this, but didn't they not offer McIntosh even though Indiana was his dream school.
Indiana forums have been strong this week with reports that Glass has already informed Crean of the school's decision to move on. According to some posters, he has already reached out to NC State, with feelers at Missouri.
If DePaul were open, or - a step further - had a competent AD that wasn't content with atrocious men's basketball, he would absolutely thrive there. He could get hired, talk about the grand days of Ray Meyer, speak on how he dreamed about how DePaul was his dream job growing up in the Midwest, and how excited he is to rebuild and restore the Blue Demons basketball program.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 02, 2017, 11:47:42 PM
Indiana forums have been strong this week with reports that Glass has already informed Crean of the school's decision to move on.
Aww... I was really hoping this was a possibility!
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/ftw/2017/02/28/daniel-tosh-volunteered-to-fire-tom-crean-when-he-visits-indiana/98540378/ (http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/ftw/2017/02/28/daniel-tosh-volunteered-to-fire-tom-crean-when-he-visits-indiana/98540378/)
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 01, 2017, 07:20:26 PM
MU fans generally perceive a god-given right to the dance, with frequent trips to the Sweet Sixteen and occasional trips to the Final Four.
Depends on your age.
If you are a Warrior who is my age, you expect to be a national powerhouse, ranked in the Top 10 and being mentioned for the national championship.
Period.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 03, 2017, 08:17:36 PM
Depends on your age.
If you are a Warrior who is my age, you expect to be a national powerhouse, ranked in the Top 10 and being mentioned for the national championship.
Period.
Those are unrealistic expectations.
Period.
This isn't 1971, when Al could go to New York, talk like a New Yawker, and sell his program's willingness to take black inner-city kids.
What have you seen since 1978 to make you believe that such expectations are even close to realistic? As good a run as Buzz had, he didn't come close to meeting your expectations.
Unshackle Chicos for a week so we can get the Fred Glass insider scoop.
"I'll email Fred and find out" --- Chicos
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2017, 03:07:07 AM
Those are unrealistic expectations.
Period.
This isn't 1971, when Al could go to New York, talk like a New Yawker, and sell his program's willingness to take black inner-city kids.
What have you seen since 1978 to make you believe that such expectations are even close to realistic? As good a run as Buzz had, he didn't come close to meeting your expectations.
Sometimes expectations and reality take awhile to come together.
Yes, I expect this, the way Duke fans expect their Blue Devils to be among the nation's elite.
Are we there yet? No! Are we heading in the direction? Of course.
I guess I'm like the little kid on a trip who keeps asking his parents, "Are we there yet? Are we there yet?"
82, when we get there, we'll have a beer together and debate whether Al or Wojo was the greatest coach of all time at MU!
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 05, 2017, 07:55:36 AM
Sometimes expectations and reality take awhile to come together.
Yes, I expect this, the way Duke fans expect their Blue Devils to be among the nation's elite.
Are we there yet? No! Are we heading in the direction? Of course.
I guess I'm like the little kid on a trip who keeps asking his parents, "Are we there yet? Are we there yet?"
82, when we get there, we'll have a beer together and debate whether Al or Wojo was the greatest coach of all time at MU!
Deal!
I would love that debate, and I would love that beer!
Quote from: MU82 on March 05, 2017, 12:01:00 PM
Deal!
I would love that debate, and I would love that beer!
Done deal.
And I want Chicos there too to watch his face when we decide it might be Wojo! LOL
Glow, you and Chick can come too! I'll buy the first few pitchers of Pabst!
Buzz to IU. (boom) (That was the sound of chico's head exploding)
Missouri head coach just stepped down
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 05, 2017, 12:15:46 PM
Done deal.
And I want Chicos there too to watch his face when we decide it might be Wojo! LOL
Glow, you and Chick can come too! I'll buy the first few pitchers of Pabst!
We are there, baby!
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 05, 2017, 12:15:46 PM
Done deal.
And I want Chicos there too to watch his face when we decide it might be Wojo! LOL
Glow, you and Chick can come too! I'll buy the first few pitchers of Pabst!
Deal.
But I'll bring James Franco to provide urine to drink rather than PBR!
I think Crean and Mizzou would be a really good fit.
Vampires and Werewolves in Bloomington?
The NCSU job is a terrible job...it will always be the number 3 job in the Triangle and isn't considered part of Tobacco Road either so none of the glamour or cachet in the position.
They have one of the most delusional fan bases in the nation ( all major sports) who think they are an elite team that regularly under performs. They have fired coaches that were far better than their replacements on a regular basis.
The ONLY two times they have been truly successful they were sanctioned afterwards for recruiting violations.
This is a job for someone who hopes to catch a star...a real bona fide up and comer can wait for a better and easier route to success. It's a career killer.
Crean would be far better off taking most any other option....not that I really want to see him succeed anywhere ;)
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on March 06, 2017, 05:22:48 PM
The NCSU job is a terrible job...it will always be the number 3 job in the Triangle and isn't considered part of Tobacco Road either so none of the glamour or cachet in the position.
They have one of the most delusional fan bases in the nation ( all major sports) who think they are an elite team that regularly under performs. They have fired coaches that were far better than their replacements on a regular basis.
The ONLY two times they have been truly successful they were sanctioned afterwards for recruiting violations.
This is a job for someone who hopes to catch a star...a real bona fide up and comer can wait for a better and easier route to success. It's a career killer.
Crean would be far better off taking most any other option....not that I really want to see him succeed anywhere ;)
So you are saying they cheated in '74 when they beat us?
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/angry-indiana-fan-to-tom-crean-after-wisconsin-loss-you-ruined-the-program/ (http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/angry-indiana-fan-to-tom-crean-after-wisconsin-loss-you-ruined-the-program/)
What a dbag
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on March 10, 2017, 09:26:59 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/angry-indiana-fan-to-tom-crean-after-wisconsin-loss-you-ruined-the-program/ (http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/angry-indiana-fan-to-tom-crean-after-wisconsin-loss-you-ruined-the-program/)
Crean has been struggling lately, but as far as ruining the IU program - I'm pretty sure Mike Davis took care of that a decade ago....
Pretty sure that was a Maryland fan yelling at him.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 10, 2017, 10:00:36 PM
Crean has been struggling lately, but as far as ruining the IU program - I'm pretty sure Mike Davis took care of that a decade ago....
At least Davis got IU to the NCAA title game, but yes, he certainly contributed to the ruination of the program. The No. 1 culprit, however, was none other than Robert Montgomery Knight, whose pattern of abuse led to a serious decline in the number of great athletes who actually wanted to play basketball at the school.
In his last 6 seasons at Indiana, Knight won a total of 2 postseason games. Indiana hasn't been a true "blueblood" for two decades now.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 06, 2017, 06:16:39 PM
So you are saying they cheated in '74 when they beat us?
They were banned from the 1973 tournament for recruiting violations surrounding David Thompson.
Crean should go to a new school, begin a fresh chapter in his career. If Archie Miller leaves Dayton, he would thrive there. No need to go to another big state school.