Wojo was pretty incredulous about it after the game and he knew it was the same for both teams. But the fact that supposedly a high major basketball game was played on that court today is absolute fin BS!
Dr. Lovell needs to be on the horn with Val Ackerman tonight asking WTF was that? that should never happen Again and there should be a league wide notice to Providence that if that ever happens again they should forfeit no qwestions asked. That was fn bush league and no team should have to play in those conditions. Providence fix ur fn court u fn bush leaguers!!
http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20170225/friars-journal-slippery-floor-made-for-hazardous-duty
Just posted similar thoughts in another thread, but this game shouldn't have been played. Period.
MU and Wojo failed their players today. So, did Providence. Embarrassing for both schools, the league and the officials. Players should not be put in that position.
Also, the conference should fire Ed Corbett. As the lead official, he should have made the final call. It should not be up to the coaches. He knew the conditions were terrible, hence the rule change they made and the note he left the media passing questions onto the league office. In addition, Commissioner Val, MU's AD and Providence's AD should both publicly and privately apologize to the players.
Quote from: RJax55 on February 25, 2017, 09:46:12 PM
Just posted similar thoughts in another thread, but this game shouldn't have been played. Period.
MU and Wojo failed their players today. So, did Providence. Embarrassing for both schools, the league and the officials. Players should not be put in that position.
Also, the conference should fire Ed Corbett. As the lead official, he should have made the final call. It should not be up to the coaches. He knew the conditions were terrible, hence the rule change they made and the note he left the media passing questions onto the league office. In addition, Commissioner Val, MU's AD and Providence's AD should both publicly and privately apologize to the players.
Agreed. The rules of basketball can't be arbitrarily changed in the middle of a game. This was a joke. I'm disappointed we lost, but grateful no one got hurt.
Was definitely an embarrassment. Game should have been called.
My dad has been a PC season ticket holder for 30+ years-I was fuming during the game and he said he had never seen the court affected by the ice like that. It was 70 degrees outside and Matty V said it was very warm in the building to start the game. That led to the conditions on the court. Should have had the AC cranking...should have thought ahead as the facilities manager....Absolutely should have been called.
One thing that caught me...4-5 more slides by PC than us...All in pretty convenient situations IMO
Not that it matters at this point, but on the play where Rowsey dove for the ball and slid like 20 feet...
Would that have been an over and back had he just let providence grab it? I thought I remember a Providence player throwing a wild pass from the baseline area with no deflection.
Quote from: RJax55 on February 25, 2017, 09:46:12 PM
Just posted similar thoughts in another thread, but this game shouldn't have been played. Period.
MU and Wojo failed their players today. So, did Providence. Embarrassing for both schools, the league and the officials. Players should not be put in that position.
Also, the conference should fire Ed Corbett. As the lead official, he should have made the final call. It should not be up to the coaches. He knew the conditions were terrible, hence the rule change they made and the note he left the media passing questions onto the league office. In addition, Commissioner Val, MU's AD and Providence's AD should both publicly and privately apologize to the players.
Did you want Wojo to forfeit the game?
Quote from: MU B2002 on February 27, 2017, 12:22:41 PM
Not that it matters at this point, but on the play where Rowsey dove for the ball and slid like 20 feet...
Would that have been an over and back had he just let providence grab it? I thought I remember a Providence player throwing a wild pass from the baseline area with no deflection.
I believe so. Unless someone tipped it and I missed it. Loved the effort though.
Quote from: bilsu on February 27, 2017, 12:26:29 PM
Did you want Wojo to forfeit the game?
If it came down to that, yes.
Wojo knew, see his post-game comments, that the floor was dangerous. He has a responsibility to protect his guys.
Again, both schools are extremely lucky and fortunate that no one was hurt. And, I guarantee that if somebody did get hurt from slipping that the refs would have stopped play.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 27, 2017, 12:27:49 PM
I believe so. Unless someone tipped it and I missed it. Loved the effort though.
Absolutely.
Just trying to give myself a few more gray hairs prior to Wednesday.
What is the deal when we play Providence? So many weird happenings:
- Brothers (no pun intended) coming onto the floor
- Flying bats. Still love that it went after Kadeem LaBatts
- Super slippery floors
Can't wait for the next Bizzaro Installment of the rivalry.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 27, 2017, 12:59:10 PM
What is the deal when we play Providence? So many weird happenings:
- Brothers (no pun intended) coming onto the floor
- Flying bats. Still love that it went after Kadeem LaBatts
- Super slippery floors
Can't wait for the next Bizzaro Installment of the rivalry.
There was also the fan sending Providence money after they missed FTs.
I agree, conditions were very hazardous and could have caused a severe injury, but thus late in the season, when do you make the game up?
Have the players stay an extra night and play first thing Sunday morning?
Quote from: lurch91 on February 27, 2017, 01:48:58 PM
I agree, conditions were very hazardous and could have caused a severe injury, but thus late in the season, when do you make the game up?
Have the players stay an extra night and play first thing Sunday morning?
I wondered the same thing. I would think they'd just postpone or delay the game until it was playable. Probably wouldn't have been televised. Man would that have been frustrating.
Quote from: RJax55 on February 27, 2017, 12:43:45 PM
If it came down to that, yes.
Wojo knew, see his post-game comments, that the floor was dangerous. He has a responsibility to protect his guys.
Again, both schools are extremely lucky and fortunate that no one was hurt. And, I guarantee that if somebody did get hurt from slipping that the refs would have stopped play.
I'm sure Scoop would have been calm and level-headed had Wojo forfeited the game due to playing conditions.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 27, 2017, 02:16:25 PM
I'm sure Scoop would have been calm and level-headed had Wojo forfeited the game due to playing conditions.
The takes would have been scorching hot, that's for sure.
Have been wondering since Saturday, what coaches would have refused to play? I'm guessing most would have played, but I feel some (especially as the visiting team) would not. I cringe mentioning this, but would Buzz?
Quote from: RJax55 on February 27, 2017, 02:24:21 PM
The takes would have been scorching hot, that's for sure.
Have been wondering since Saturday, what coaches would have refused to play? I'm guessing most would have, but I feel some (especially as the visiting team) would not. I cringe mentioning this, but would Buzz?
There wouldn't have been a forfeit. If one coach was unwilling to play, I am sure the other would agree, and the game would have been rescheduled.
Quote from: lurch91 on February 27, 2017, 01:48:58 PM
I agree, conditions were very hazardous and could have caused a severe injury, but thus late in the season, when do you make the game up?
Have the players stay an extra night and play first thing Sunday morning?
Why not, Sunday? Games are delayed or postponed due to weather all the time. It happened last year @St. Johns.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 27, 2017, 02:27:12 PM
There wouldn't have been a forfeit. If one coach was unwilling to play, I am sure the other would agree, and the game would have been rescheduled.
I agree. Calling a forfeit is a drastic measure. Again, it makes you wonder what MU was thinking on this.
I think 99% of the coaches play the game.
The Providence hockey team had a game Sunday afternoon. Wasn't going to be rescheduled.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 27, 2017, 02:33:13 PM
I think 99% of the coaches play the game.
Yeah, you're most likely right.
But that illustrates the issue with allowing the coaches to decide.
Read the contract, and the insurance policy, case closed.
Quote from: RJax55 on February 27, 2017, 02:24:21 PM
The takes would have been scorching hot, that's for sure.
Have been wondering since Saturday, what coaches would have refused to play? I'm guessing most would have played, but I feel some (especially as the visiting team) would not. I cringe mentioning this, but would Buzz?
We didn't play the aircraft carrier game due to condensation on the court
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 27, 2017, 02:35:19 PM
The Providence hockey team had a game Sunday afternoon. Wasn't going to be rescheduled.
They would have had to reschedule the game...
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on February 27, 2017, 03:32:10 PM
We didn't play the aircraft carrier game due to condensation on the court
I know. That's why I mentioned Buzz.
He and Matta were in agreement on that one.
Quote from: RJax55 on February 27, 2017, 03:44:14 PM
I know. That's why I mentioned Buzz.
He and Matta were in agreement on that one.
Also wasn't a league game that HAD to be played
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 27, 2017, 03:46:35 PM
Also wasn't a league game that HAD to be played
No doubt. Different circumstances at play
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 27, 2017, 03:34:25 PM
They would have had to reschedule the game...
It would not have been played unless they could have found an alternative venue for Sunday.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 27, 2017, 04:14:00 PM
It would not have been played unless they could have found an alternative venue for Sunday.
Maybe not on Sunday, but the game would have been played.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 27, 2017, 05:21:42 PM
Maybe not on Sunday, but the game would have been played.
When? Tonight? With Providence playing tomorrow and Marquette on the road on Wednesday?
I guess it's possible, but I would think that they would have just declared it a no contest.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 27, 2017, 05:28:08 PM
When? Tonight? With Providence playing tomorrow and Marquette on the road on Wednesday?
I guess it's possible, but I would think that they would have just declared it a no contest.
Lol, cmon man. That would've messed a lot of things up. Perhaps that's why the didn't cancel the game, but no chance Marquette and PC wouldn't have figured something out. Sunday morning, Sunday night, different venue, tonight, Thursday, next Monday. They would have figured it out.
To call the game was the refs responsibility they had the last word. I'm sure that if we refused to play besides forfeit there would have been sanctions for MU. Plus it was very bush league by the officials to just leave a note to the press to refer to BE regarding any questions.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 27, 2017, 02:35:19 PM
The Providence hockey team had a game Sunday afternoon. Wasn't going to be rescheduled.
No way hockey coulda played. All the ice was melted.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 27, 2017, 02:35:19 PM
The Providence hockey team had a game Sunday afternoon. Wasn't going to be rescheduled.
Friar hockey doesn't play at that arena. They play on campus. The AHL team plays hockey at the Dunkin Donuts Center. That being said, there was still an event schedule that Sunday.
Quote from: mupanther on February 28, 2017, 02:10:22 PM
Friar hockey doesn't play at that arena. They play on campus. The AHL team plays hockey at the Dunkin Donuts Center. That being said, there was still an event schedule that Sunday.
That is what I meant. The AHL team. Sorry.
Was hockey played at the BC? If so, did MU ever have that problem?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 28, 2017, 02:47:58 PM
Was hockey played at the BC? If so, did MU ever have that problem?
Yes up until last year, and no, not that I recall.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 28, 2017, 02:47:58 PM
Was hockey played at the BC? If so, did MU ever have that problem?
Of course the Milwaukee Admirals (AHL) played at the BC from 1988 to 2016. Final Four and the old Badger Hockey Showdowns have been at the Bradley Center. I never heard the Bucks or MU having a problem.
Quote from: Newsdrms on February 28, 2017, 10:40:21 AM
To call the game was the refs responsibility they had the last word. I'm sure that if we refused to play besides forfeit there would have been sanctions for MU. Plus it was very bush league by the officials to just leave a note to the press to refer to BE regarding any questions.
Did you just say that the BE is a bush league?
Quote from: vogue65 on February 28, 2017, 04:14:34 PM
Did you just say that the BE is a bush league?
No, he said the refs actions were bush league.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 28, 2017, 02:52:04 PM
Yes up until last year, and no, not that I recall.
Did the Admirals move next door?
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 28, 2017, 04:57:33 PM
Did the Admirals move next door?
Yes: http://www.milwaukeeadmirals.com/news/031616move
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 28, 2017, 02:47:58 PM
Was hockey played at the BC? If so, did MU ever have that problem?
I remembered the Bucks having an issue in a preseason game with players slipping just a few years ago, but it was due to the finish on their new floor rather than condensation from the ice: http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/story/bucks-to-resurface-new-floor-at-bmo-harris-bradley-center-103013
Their game did get cancelled in the first quarter, but obviously the outcome of the game is much lower stakes than the chance of injury there.
The upgrades at the Arena have been great!
http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2017/01/05/uw-milwaukee-panther-arena-improvements-paying-off.html
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 28, 2017, 04:48:18 PM
No, he said the refs actions were bush league.
The refs work for the league, the refs are bush league, the league the refs work for is not bush league.
The bush league actions of the leagues bush league refs is not bush league.
If someone got hurt, thank God nobody got hurt, the discussion would not be about AHL, or notes left for refs.
My take is that the refs did not have the authority to cancel the game.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 01, 2017, 04:19:22 AM
The refs work for the league, the refs are bush league, the league the refs work for is not bush league.
The bush league actions of the leagues bush league refs is not bush league.
If someone got hurt, thank God nobody got hurt, the discussion would not be about AHL, or notes left for refs.
My take is that the refs did not have the authority to cancel the game.
Your take is incorrect. But that is also not what he was criticizing. He criticized the refs for dodging questions
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 01, 2017, 07:11:16 AM
Your take is incorrect. But that is also not what he was criticizing. He criticized the refs for dodging questions
Yes it was refs decision as per rules whether to play game or not and just leaving a note telling the press to ask the league, they are supposed to answer not the league. It amazes me sometimes here how people can't grasp simple statements and then use faulty logic to try to change the meaning of what is being said. Totally ridiculous.
Quote from: Newsdrms on March 01, 2017, 12:29:30 PM
Yes it was refs decision as per rules whether to play game or not and just leaving a note telking the press to ask the league tgey are supposed to answer not the league. It amazes me sometimes here how people can't grasp simple statements and then use faulty logic to try to change the meaning of what is being said. Totally ridiculous.
O.K. Mr. Logic, then why does the league employ bush league refs? I suppose we need a definition of "bush league".
I know exactly what was said in the original post, that was, that what the refs did was bush league.
How we separate the refs from the league is beyond me. I suppose a claim to logic is sufficient. I was not making a syllogism, I was making a point.
Could it be that the refs are fearful for their jobs? Could it be that it is all about the money?
Quote from: vogue65 on March 01, 2017, 02:19:34 PM
O.K. Mr. Logic, then why does the league employ bush league refs? I suppose we need a definition of "bush league".
I know exactly what was said in the original post, that was, that what the refs did was bush league.
How we separate the refs from the league is beyond me. I suppose a claim to logic is sufficient. I was not making a syllogism, I was making a point.
Could it be that the refs are fearful for their jobs? Could it be that it is all about the money?
He never said we have Bush league refs. He said what they did in that one instance was Bush league. Even good refs make Bush league decisions sometimes.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 01, 2017, 02:19:34 PM
O.K. Mr. Logic, then why does the league employ bush league refs? I suppose we need a definition of "bush league".
I know exactly what was said in the original post, that was, that what the refs did was bush league.
How we separate the refs from the league is beyond me. I suppose a claim to logic is sufficient. I was not making a syllogism, I was making a point.
Could it be that the refs are fearful for their jobs? Could it be that it is all about the money?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 01, 2017, 02:32:50 PM
He never said we have Bush league refs. He said what they did in that one instance was Bush league. Even good refs make Bush league decisions sometimes.
Also these officials don't only work games for a certain conference. There is some overlap between conferences. For example, Pat Driscoll officiates a handful of Marquette games each year, but I also see him do B1G games as well.
There is no such thing as "Big East Officials", only officials that can work Big East games, so it is actually quite easy to separate the league from the officials.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 01, 2017, 02:19:34 PM
O.K. Mr. Logic, then why does the league employ bush league refs? I suppose we need a definition of "bush league".
I know exactly what was said in the original post, that was, that what the refs did was bush league.
How we separate the refs from the league is beyond me. I suppose a claim to logic is sufficient. I was not making a syllogism, I was making a point.
Could it be that the refs are fearful for their jobs? Could it be that it is all about the money?
You are winner. You are one of the few to make Scoop Takes here. I'm letting this go you WIN!
Quote from: Newsdrms on March 01, 2017, 04:14:46 PM
You are winner. You are one of the few to make Scoop Takes here. I'm letting this go you WIN!
No, you win, I'm sorry for bringing up the subject. I understand now how much loyalty there is to the BE, and the BOT, and I won't go down that road again.
We are more comfortable talking statistics, or trash talking each other, sorry. Great win tonight, great TV, very photogenic arena good lighting and dry floor, ha.
Portland/Minnesota in the NBA got postponed.
The conditions were noticed during pregame shoot around, and arena personnel were immediately called in to attempt to dry out the court, however, after nearly and hour of attempting to dry the court officials made the call to postpone the game.
Quote from: bradley center bat on March 06, 2017, 07:42:43 PM
Portland/Minnesota in the NBA got postponed.
The conditions were noticed during pregame shoot around, and arena personnel were immediately called in to attempt to dry out the court, however, after nearly and hour of attempting to dry the court officials made the call to postpone the game.
That says it all, grownups running the NBA. Suppose they have ethics training included in their system.