Okay, two games ago Wojo changed up the starting lineup because he liked the passion and desire that group brought. After two games it seemed to be a brilliant decision. He went with that same group to start the game today(and rightly so). But, it leaves me scratching my head why Duane only played 10 minutes and not a single minute in the 2nd half. He had 4 points, and 3 rebounds in 10 minutes. And when he did play, Wojo had him on Lindsey while Cartwright was beating Markus off the dribble like a rented mule. He is arguably their best one on one defender and I think unquestionably the leader of the team, and Wojo doesn't play him a minute in the 2nd half?? I just don't get it, at all. It's decisions like that that make me question Wojo and how good of a coach he really is.
Yes, JJ had some bad luck with that lay up rimming out late in the game, but there is ZERO doubt in my mind, if I wasn't going to put it in Andrew or Markus's hands there, I'd want Duane with it. He attacks better(and makes better decisions) then JJ because he does it under control most of the time. So if the play there was to drive it, why wouldn't you have Duane in the game to do it?? I just don't get it.
Quote from: muguru on February 25, 2017, 08:09:18 PM
Okay, two games ago Wojo changed up the starting lineup because he liked the passion and desire that group brought. After two games it seemed to be a brilliant decision. He went with that same group to start the game today(and rightly so). But, it leaves me scratching my head why Duane only played 10 minutes and not a single minute in the 2nd half. He had 4 points, and 3 rebounds in 10 minutes. And when he did play, Wojo had him on Lindsey while Cartwright was beating Markus off the dribble like a rented mule. He is arguably their best one on one defender and I think unquestionably the leader of the team, and Wojo doesn't play him a minute in the 2nd half?? I just don't get it, at all. It's decisions like that that make me question Wojo and how good of a coach he really is.
Yes, JJ had some bad luck with that lay up rimming out late in the game, but there is ZERO doubt in my mind, if I wasn't going to put it in Andrew or Markus's hands there, I'd want Duane with it. He attacks better(and makes better decisions) then JJ because he does it under control most of the time. So if the play there was to drive it, why wouldn't you have Duane in the game to do it?? I just don't get it.
Now this is a legit question. I thought Duane was good in his limited minutes today.
Likely dat Wilson had gas pains. Not easy playin' wit said dyscomfort, hey?
I agree with you completely on this one. (Duane did play in the second half but only at the start of the half as I recall.) He really should be on the floor more and I don't understand why he wasn't.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 25, 2017, 08:12:40 PM
I agree with you completely on this one. (Duane did play in the second half but only at the start of the half as I recall.) He really should be on the floor more and I don't understand why he wasn't.
You're right, my bad, he did start the second half, but once he came out after a few minutes, I don't think he ever went back in again. I'd love to hear Wojo's explanation for that one, I really would.
I've no idea why Duane doesn't play more. I feel like he gets less leeway when he makes mistakes than say Cheatham or JJ. I trust Duane in crunch time. Would like to see him getting more time.
Quote from: muguru on February 25, 2017, 08:15:42 PM
You're right, my bad, he did start the second half, but once he came out after a few minutes, I don't think he ever went back in again. I'd love to hear Wojo's explanation for that one, I really would.
He subbed in at the *very* end of the game too, but I don't think anything between those two points.
Makes me wonder if Wojo gets too caught up in the game and forgets about him.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 25, 2017, 08:12:40 PM
I agree with you completely on this one. (Duane did play in the second half but only at the start of the half as I recall.) He really should be on the floor more and I don't understand why he wasn't.
We joke about the mind games with JJJ, but what does Duane have to be thinking at this point? I thought the decision not play him down the stretch was horrible. We needed a bucket, so we turn to JJJ? I guess Wojo forgot about Duane's game-winning/clinching baskets last year @Creighton, and oh yes, @Providence. The guy has shown to be a finisher, he needed to be out there.
Quote from: RJax55 on February 25, 2017, 08:28:06 PM
I guess Wojo forgot about Duane's game-winning/clinching baskets last year @Creighton, and oh yes, @Providence. The guy has shown to be a finisher, he needed to be out there.
Heck, Duane made a big three and a drive or we don't beat Villanova less than a month ago! I prefer him on the floor to JJJ too. If we need a basket, the five I want on the floor are Rowsey, Howard, Duane, Luke (if he hasn't fouled out) and Reinhardt (no hero ball allowed). Duane will drive and make a pass if he thinks it is in our best interest, and that is what you need in the big spot when you have shooters like we do.
It's not even so much his finishing abilities..He should have been in there during PC's run to slow Cartwrights penetration down. I just don't understand how you can't have him on the floor.
Duane has only 7 turnovers during the entire BE season.
JJJ has 35. Haanif has 33
TOV% in conference season. Duane 10.5%. JJJ 19.8. Haanif 22.5.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 25, 2017, 08:44:21 PM
Duane has only 7 turnovers during the entire BE season.
JJJ has 35. Haanif has 33
TOV% in conference season. Duane 10.5%. JJJ 19.8. Haanif 22.5.
What's even more concerning to me, is if Duane says f it after this year and leaves now because of stuff like this.
This is all I was thinking down the stretch.
JJJ showed flashes in the first half, but he wasn't doing anything that warranted 30 minutes tonight. Especially defensively. It was almost like Wojo was trying to overcompensate for playing him so little the two previous games.
Duane has been doing a fantastic job of getting the ball to the right guy on the floor. And when no one else is taking charge, he picks the right spots to attack on his own.
JJJ / Katin / Rowsey are generally only looking for ways to score the ball. No reason to have those 3 guys together with a 12 point lead. JJJ should have been sitting for Duane once Howard exited.
Quote from: Anti-Dentite on February 25, 2017, 08:26:59 PM
Makes me wonder if Wojo gets too caught up in the game and forgets about him.
LOL
I highly doubt that, bro.
First, I will say that I think Duane is very good player.
Second, I will say that I think Duane isn't quite as good as this board makes him out to be.
However, I do think he has shown a hint of "it" that our team is missing. So I would like to see him more because I have lost hope that JJJ and Cheatham will develop "it" this season.
I have wondered if Duane's minutes are limited by injury. He has a long history of injuries, including some that I don't think we're made widely known. He's never had more than 25 minutes in a game this season and that was in an OT game where it was forced.
I also wonder if this was just a young coach questioning himself. Wojo made a commitment to play the tough over the talented. It could be that Wojo faltered and decided to play the more talented JJJ over the tougher Duane. Coaches make those mistakes. Wojo will learn.
Quote from: Anti-Dentite on February 25, 2017, 08:26:59 PM
Makes me wonder if Wojo gets too caught up in the game and forgets about him.
Fair point and a question I'd like Homer to ask Wojo on Thursday (wrong board, I know). Is one of your assistants responsible for substitutions?
Quote from: Anti-Dentite on February 25, 2017, 08:26:59 PM
Makes me wonder if Wojo gets too caught up in the game and forgets about him.
His benchings and what seen like intentional limiting of minutes seem like they are more to send a message than anything. He seems to keep some guys (Duane, JJ) on a short leash while allowing others (Rowsey, HC) to get away with a lot more.
I'm admittedly biased, but this comes across as immaturity from Wojo to me. It seems personal, and it doesn't help the team win. It's fine to send a message here and there, but I think that can be done outside of game day effectively.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2017, 01:12:51 AM
First, I will say that I think Duane is very good player.
Second, I will say that I think Duane isn't quite as good as this board makes him out to be.
However, I do think he has shown a hint of "it" that our team is missing. So I would like to see him more because I have lost hope that JJJ and Cheatham will develop "it" this season.
I have wondered if Duane's minutes are limited by injury. He has a long history of injuries, including some that I don't think we're made widely known. He's never had more than 25 minutes in a game this season and that was in an OT game where it was forced.
I also wonder if this was just a young coach questioning himself. Wojo made a commitment to play the tough over the talented. It could be that Wojo faltered and decided to play the more talented JJJ over the tougher Duane. Coaches make those mistakes. Wojo will learn.
I think Duane has had some nagging leg related injuries and the floor conditions yesterday came into play. I would prefer to see Duane and JJJ on the floor at the same time. They have a good chemistry .
Quote from: skianth16 on February 26, 2017, 12:30:40 PM
His benchings and what seen like intentional limiting of minutes seem like they are more to send a message than anything. He seems to keep some guys (Duane, JJ) on a short leash while allowing others (Rowsey, HC) to get away with a lot more.
I'm admittedly biased, but this comes across as immaturity from Wojo to me. It seems personal, and it doesn't help the team win. It's fine to send a message here and there, but I think that can be done outside of game day effectively.
We all did see the hazardous floor yesterday, did we not? If I'm the coach, I ain't risking an already-hobbled player out there either.
Quote from: skianth16 on February 26, 2017, 12:30:40 PM
His benchings and what seen like intentional limiting of minutes seem like they are more to send a message than anything. He seems to keep some guys (Duane, JJ) on a short leash while allowing others (Rowsey, HC) to get away with a lot more.
I'm admittedly biased, but this comes across as immaturity from Wojo to me. It seems personal, and it doesn't help the team win. It's fine to send a message here and there, but I think that can be done outside of game day effectively.
You have to remember that neither are his guys and if they were less talented, he would jettisoned them awhile ago. Wilson's shot selection is terrible and he at times seems to run out of the confines of the offense. It's sad that he hasn't improved. He showed much promise as a freshman but hasn't put it together mentally. I would have thought he'd be getting 20+ min a game, at this point, a few years ago. Squandered talent.
great question. He didn't play in the second half because Wojo is a moron and a not-so-good in game coach. If you believe otherwise, you're a sheep.
Fire wojo. Another classic choke-job under his leadership. You win the close games you're supposed to, the team is dancing. Pitt, @Seton Hall and now this. Inexcusable.
Quote from: Al Davis on February 27, 2017, 09:40:07 AM
great question. He didn't play in the second half because Wojo is a moron and a not-so-good in game coach. If you believe otherwise, you're a sheep.
Fire wojo. Another classic choke-job under his leadership. You win the close games you're supposed to, the team is dancing. Pitt, @Seton Hall and now this. Inexcusable.
Are we sheep now instead of slurpers? Did Bront take the "slurpers" name with him to VTU?
Did anyone actually think there was a legitimate reason that Duane didn't play that may have been related to playing conditions and not actual coaching incompetence.....or does that not fit #TheNarrative
Quote from: mu03eng on February 27, 2017, 11:29:42 AM
Did anyone actually think there was a legitimate reason that Duane didn't play that may have been related to playing conditions and not actual coaching incompetence.....or does that not fit #TheNarrative
Good point. Though some of these guys seem to be more of the "it's do or die right now and you have to take risks even if it means injury" mindset.
Quote from: mu03eng on February 27, 2017, 11:29:42 AM
Did anyone actually think there was a legitimate reason that Duane didn't play that may have been related to playing conditions and not actual coaching incompetence.....or does that not fit #TheNarrative
I'll admit I did not think of that at first, but it certainly may have merit.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 27, 2017, 11:32:26 AM
I'll admit I did not think of that at first, but it certainly may have merit.
Then don't agree to play the 2nd half.
Quote from: The Lens on February 27, 2017, 01:04:38 PM
Then don't agree to play the 2nd half.
You're not wrong about that....depends on the circumstances of course, but that's a much more interesting debate than Wojo is clearly an idiot that just forgets he has players on the bench.
Quote from: Bocephys on February 27, 2017, 11:26:32 AM
Are we sheep now instead of slurpers? Did Bront take the "slurpers" name with him to VTU?
You're the definition of a sheep. You probably think the Oscar's mixup last night was an honest mistake too. Bahhhhhhhhhh
Quote from: Al Davis on February 27, 2017, 01:36:07 PM
You're the definition of a sheep. You probably think the Oscar's mixup last night was an honest mistake too. Bahhhhhhhhhh
#notmybestpicture
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 26, 2017, 02:15:04 PM
I think Duane has had some nagging leg related injuries and the floor conditions yesterday came into play. I would prefer to see Duane and JJJ on the floor at the same time. They have a good chemistry .
Good point and I thought I saw him limp for a bit. Maybe he tweaked something and coaches decided not to risk it give him some rest. Someone also said like 3 home games ago that he was warming up on a stationary bike. Groin injuries tend to come and go he could be feeling discomfort some times or maybe physical trainer has recommended limited minutes. Last time Wojo talked about him was all praise and how he deserved to start and he has started all games after Wojo's comments.