Another blown lead by the sweating floor slapper. Hyped for playing tough defense in the ACC during his tenure at Duke, Wojo cannot translate that on court success to MU. This team doesn't play defense and today it showed. How many blow leads have we had this year? - Well, enough where had we won, MU would be dancing. I'll say it over and over - Wojo can't coach. Heldt starting over Fischer last game as well as Cheatem coming off the bench show a lot of immaturity on this team. The kids aren't buying in and that's on the coach. Nothing is going to change and it hasn't. The blind Wojo supporters continue their existence in turmoil, with a roller coaster team. What these blind folk don't understand is that this is the nature of a team that relies on 3 point shooting and doesn't play defense. There's a lot of volatility and the season hath proved that thus far.
Nonetheless, we're about to go into March in Wojo's 3rd year. 3 years is ample time to get a program into the tourney as history dictates, especially with the amount of parity in college basketball. Wojo hasn't done it, his kids aren't buying in, and prior comments about how the Big East is very tough tell me that he's not cut out to be a head coach. Defense is easier to coach than offense and the inverse is happening here. I've seen other coaches do more with less. Find someone who can coach sound basketball principles that doesn't have to bench seniors because of uninspired practicing. The current administration and Wojo continually set MU back as a program year after year. Winning cultures are established over decades. The last several years of incompetent play has taken a once respected program and turned it into an after thought. The Danger Zone is approaching where MU will be looked at as an afterthought by coaches. Stability is needed.
Enjoy the NIT - At least there might be a home game.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 25, 2017, 06:25:58 PM
Another blown lead by the sweating floor slapper. Hyped for playing tough defense in the ACC during his tenure at Duke, Wojo cannot translate that on court success to MU. This team doesn't play defense and today it showed. How many blow leads have we had this year? - Well, enough where had we won, MU would be dancing. I'll say it over and over - Wojo can't coach. Heldt starting over Fischer last game as well as Cheatem coming off the bench show a lot of immaturity on this team. The kids aren't buying in and that's on the coach. Nothing is going to change and it hasn't. The blind Wojo supporters continue their existence in turmoil, with a roller coaster team. What these blind folk don't understand is that this is the nature of a team that relies on 3 point shooting and doesn't play defense. There's a lot of volatility and the season hath proved that thus far.
Nonetheless, we're about to go into March in Wojo's 3rd year. 3 years is ample time to get a program into the tourney as history dictates, especially with the amount of parity in college basketball. Wojo hasn't done it, his kids aren't buying in, and prior comments about how the Big East is very tough tell me that he's not cut out to be a head coach. Defense is easier to coach than offense and the inverse is happening here. I've seen other coaches do more with less. Find someone who can coach sound basketball principles that doesn't have to bench seniors because of uninspired practicing. The current administration and Wojo continually set MU back as a program year after year. Winning cultures are established over decades. The last several years of incompetent play has taken a once respected program and turned it into an after thought. The Danger Zone is approaching where MU will be looked at as an afterthought by coaches. Stability is needed.
Enjoy the NIT - At least there might be a home game.
Cool.
Go away. O
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 25, 2017, 06:25:58 PM
Another blown lead by the sweating floor slapper. Hyped for playing tough defense in the ACC during his tenure at Duke, Wojo cannot translate that on court success to MU. This team doesn't play defense and today it showed. How many blow leads have we had this year? - Well, enough where had we won, MU would be dancing. I'll say it over and over - Wojo can't coach. Heldt starting over Fischer last game as well as Cheatem coming off the bench show a lot of immaturity on this team. The kids aren't buying in and that's on the coach. Nothing is going to change and it hasn't. The blind Wojo supporters continue their existence in turmoil, with a roller coaster team. What these blind folk don't understand is that this is the nature of a team that relies on 3 point shooting and doesn't play defense. There's a lot of volatility and the season hath proved that thus far.
Nonetheless, we're about to go into March in Wojo's 3rd year. 3 years is ample time to get a program into the tourney as history dictates, especially with the amount of parity in college basketball. Wojo hasn't done it, his kids aren't buying in, and prior comments about how the Big East is very tough tell me that he's not cut out to be a head coach. Defense is easier to coach than offense and the inverse is happening here. I've seen other coaches do more with less. Find someone who can coach sound basketball principles that doesn't have to bench seniors because of uninspired practicing. The current administration and Wojo continually set MU back as a program year after year. Winning cultures are established over decades. The last several years of incompetent play has taken a once respected program and turned it into an after thought. The Danger Zone is approaching where MU will be looked at as an afterthought by coaches. Stability is needed.
Enjoy the NIT - At least there might be a home game.
Curious what you'll have to say if we make the tourney.
I really dislike you.
Everybody has a right to there opinion .I will respect you if you come back in 2 years and admit you were wrong when WOJO has it rolling
I disagree, the kids are buying in, they are young, experience is important and not easily transferable. Wojoe's experience can't be taught, it has to be earned. Every game is a learning experience, we await that a-ha moment, when they really get it.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 25, 2017, 06:29:46 PM
I really dislike you.
Very funny, but more importantly, very honest.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 25, 2017, 06:29:46 PM
I really dislike you.
Great Post! Do you always "hate" people who point out the truth? You're probably one of those guys who had to hire the show Cheaters, because you were to naive to know that the waiter at Olive Garden was giving your significant other an extra breadstick.
You, are a turd.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 25, 2017, 06:35:21 PM
Great Post! Do you always "hate" people who point out the truth? You're probably one of those guys who had to hire the show Cheaters, because you were to naive to know that the waiter at Olive Garden was giving your significant other an extra breadstick.
Would you have posted if they won today?
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 25, 2017, 06:25:58 PM
Defense is easier to coach than offense and the inverse is happening here. I've seen other coaches do more with less.
Oh really? Then why aren't all teams as good offensively as MU?
I get we're a bad defensive team. But I think you under-appreciate how good MU is offensively. That takes some great recruiting, and good coaching.
Speaking of which, today WAS NOT a bad defensive day...
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 25, 2017, 06:36:31 PM
Would you have posted if they won today?
They should have won. It was expected when you shoot 55% from 3 pt range. Nonetheless, I'd still say the same thing. Wojo can't coach defense and that doesn't equate to long term success for a program, especially one like MU where it's expected you get to the tournament and win a game or several.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 25, 2017, 06:37:15 PM
Oh really? Then why aren't all teams as good offensively as MU?
I get we're a bad defensive team. But I think you under-appreciate how good MU is offensively. That takes some great recruiting, and good coaching.
Speaking of which, today WAS NOT a bad defensive day...
Under appreciate? Their outside shooting is great, but their inside game is almost non existent. That's what hurts the most as Luke Fischer should be averaging 15 pts a game with all the guards there are to space the floor for him down low.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 25, 2017, 06:38:49 PM
They should have won. It was expected when you shoot 55% from 3 pt range. Nonetheless, I'd still say the same thing. Wojo can't coach defense and that doesn't equate to long term success for a program, especially one like MU where it's expected you get to the tournament and win a game or several.
So no.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 25, 2017, 06:37:15 PM
Oh really? Then why aren't all teams as good offensively as MU?
I get we're a bad defensive team. But I think you under-appreciate how good MU is offensively. That takes some great recruiting, and good coaching.
Speaking of which, today WAS NOT a bad defensive day...
Wocky, why aren't you done with this turd?
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on February 25, 2017, 06:30:45 PM
Everybody has a right to there opinion .I will respect you if you come back in 2 years and admit you were wrong when WOJO has it rolling
Unless Wojo gets cream-of-the-crop talent, MU will never be "rolling" under his tenure, imo.
He is just not good enough of a coach to get his players to overachieve.
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on February 25, 2017, 06:42:47 PM
Unless Wojo gets cream-of-the-crop talent, MU will never be "rolling" under his tenure, imo.
He is just not good enough of a coach to get his players to overachieve.
He see-eth the light!! Hallelujah!!!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 25, 2017, 06:37:15 PM
Oh really? Then why aren't all teams as good offensively as MU?
I get we're a bad defensive team. But I think you under-appreciate how good MU is offensively. That takes some great recruiting, and good coaching.
Speaking of which, today WAS NOT a bad defensive day...
It sure looks like MU is dead in the water if the 3pt shot isn't falling.
He has recruited some good (and some streaky) 3 pt shooters, I'll give him that.
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on February 25, 2017, 06:45:37 PM
It sure looks like MU is dead in the water if the 3pt shot isn't falling.
He has recruited some good (and some streaky) 3 pt shooters, I'll give him that.
Yeah, he's found a niche there. If Wojo could get a few rebounders and a guy who could score with his back to the basket, MU would have a formidable offense.
Question is....would these big men box out at all? That's something that doesn't seem to be taught with this team.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 25, 2017, 06:35:21 PM
Great Post! Do you always "hate" people who point out the truth? You're probably one of those guys who had to hire the show Cheaters, because you were to naive to know that the waiter at Olive Garden was giving your significant other an extra breadstick.
Gonna take a lot more than a poor comeback that references a D-list television show to get me riled up.
Really a pretty bad OP. The defense was not that bad tonite. They lost this game for two very very simple reasons.
1. They missed prolly 10 wide open looks in the last 5 minutes. Should wojo shoot an uncontested 6 footer for Sam? Etc.
2. Personnel, this team has no true 4. Even when we have a 5 in the game we have no 4. So during the final stretch we had no 4 or 5 on the court and we could not finish defensive possessions.
Blame Wojo if you would like for no 4, but help is on the way in that area and kids have to make shots. To wojos creditwe ran clock, moved the ball, and simply missed wide open shot after wide open shot.
We only gave up 73 on the day and thats pretty good for this group.
Kind of weird, I was all for firing Wojo after the embarrassment that was the Georgetown game. Now, I am not so sure.
I actually saw some development in Heldt and Rowsey. Howard is a talent, but I haven't seen the development in Hauser, and I am wondering about Johnson and Cheatham?
It's a NIT team, which is not where the Warriors should be in year 3 of Wojo's tenure. However, I see some hope.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 25, 2017, 06:49:37 PM
Gonna take a lot more than a poor comeback that references a D-list television show to get me riled up.
You have nothing interesting or poignant to say backed with an intelligent defense, so it really doesn't matter. Continue being Brand Boring. There will always be a a loaf of store brand white bread on the shelf.
Quote from: warriorfred on February 25, 2017, 06:54:40 PM
Kind of weird, I was all for firing Wojo after the embarrassment that was the Georgetown game. Now, I am not so sure.
I actually saw some development in Heldt and Rowsey. Howard is a talent, but I haven't seen the development in Hauser, and I am wondering about Johnson and Cheatham?
It's a NIT team, which is not where the Warriors should be in year 3 of Wojo's tenure. However, I see some hope.
I actually kind of agree. I wanted to fire wojo after Georgetown, and I'm not happy about today, but I actually think we are going to be ok, with Wojo.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 25, 2017, 06:55:44 PM
You have nothing interesting or poignant to say backed with an intelligent defense, so it really doesn't matter. Continue being Brand Boring. There will always be a a loaf of store brand white bread on the shelf.
White bread is gross.
Hey Mike...the NIT is progress don't you know?? We should be proud of that in Wojo's third year..after what he was left with! ::) I'll have brew come along and explain it to you...he's the leader of the NIT is progress band.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 25, 2017, 06:51:54 PM
Really a pretty bad OP. The defense was not that bad tonite. They lost this game for two very very simple reasons.
1. They missed prolly 10 wide open looks in the last 5 minutes. Should wojo shoot an uncontested 6 footer for Sam? Etc.
2. Personnel, this team has no true 4. Even when we have a 5 in the game we have no 4. So during the final stretch we had no 4 or 5 on the court and we could not finish defensive possessions.
Blame Wojo if you would like for no 4, but help is on the way in that area and kids have to make shots. To wojos creditwe ran clock, moved the ball, and simply missed wide open shot after wide open shot.
We only gave up 73 on the day and thats pretty good for this group.
I agree, I've been hard on Wojo but this one's not on him. The opportunities were there, kids didn't finish today and it wasn't for lack of effort. Disappointing but actually don't feel too bad about it. I think we have a shot to get the last 2, Xavier and Creighton aren't playing well right now.
Quote from: marquette09 on February 25, 2017, 06:57:40 PM
I actually kind of agree. I wanted to fire wojo after Georgetown, and I'm not happy about today, but I actually think we are going to be ok, with Wojo.
Strangest dam thing, I actually am starting to believe despite today's loss.
Of course, if Wojo has any success (the only Duke assistant to do anything), he's gone . . .
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 25, 2017, 06:51:54 PM
Really a pretty bad OP. The defense was not that bad tonite. They lost this game for two very very simple reasons.
1. They missed prolly 10 wide open looks in the last 5 minutes. Should wojo shoot an uncontested 6 footer for Sam? Etc.
2. Personnel, this team has no true 4. Even when we have a 5 in the game we have no 4. So during the final stretch we had no 4 or 5 on the court and we could not finish defensive possessions.
Blame Wojo if you would like for no 4, but help is on the way in that area and kids have to make shots. To wojos creditwe ran clock, moved the ball, and simply missed wide open shot after wide open shot.
Personnel issue is on Wojo. We won plenty of games by not having any true 4's or 5's when Buzz was here because he could coach defense well. We shot 55% from 3 point range. That's more than enough to win any game. Providence shot 58% from the free throw line which is a disaster. MU blew this game. 15 turnovers is inexcusable. There are just too many glaring weaknesses on the coaching level here. The team lacks discipline concerning fundamentals of defense, protecting the ball, boxing out, etc. Not sure why you like Wojo so much. All of the warning signs are in plain view.
We only gave up 73 on the day and thats pretty good for this group.
Quote from: muguru on February 25, 2017, 07:02:36 PM
Hey Mike...the NIT is progress don't you know?? We should be proud of that in Wojo's third year..after what he was left with! ::) I'll have brew come along and explain it to you...he's the leader of the NIT is progress band.
Hey fairweather whiner, is the NIT better than the tournament we played in last year?
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2017, 07:18:58 PM
Hey fairweather whiner, is the NIT better than the tournament we played in last year?
No. This program is above the NIT and you should be as well. Seems as if there's a lot of people who hold the bar low here.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 25, 2017, 07:20:57 PM
No. This program is above the NIT and you should be as well. Seems as if there's a lot of people who hold the bar low here.
You can't be Mike Deane. He built his career on the NIT.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 25, 2017, 07:20:57 PM
No. This program is above the NIT and you should be as well. Seems as if there's a lot of people who hold the bar low here.
Ding Ding Ding!!! Mike gets it...not many of us do here, but some of us do. Brew likes him some NIT, doesn't hold the MU program to very high standards, and calls out anyone that says anything even remotely negative about where this program is currently, and has concerns about where they are headed. He's one of those "there's always next year" type of guys. Oh well. Can't fix passionless. You either have it or you don't.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2017, 07:18:58 PM
Hey fairweather whiner, is the NIT better than the tournament we played in last year?
For you it is...you enjoy mediocrity. For those of us that aspire for MU to be great..we have higher standards for the program we are passionate about. NIT=Not in tournament(NCAA). No tournament or NIT same thing..no one knows or cares who is in the NIT. NIT is for losers, a consolation tournament for programs that aren't good enough to be in the dance.
Quote from: muguru on February 25, 2017, 07:34:21 PM
Can't fix passionless. You either have it or you don't.
Hah. You need to drop it. Brew is anything but passionless. You don't get that many posts here by being passionless. I'm certain he wants MU to make the NCAA this year, we all do. Except maybe you because you say we don't deserve it?
But he also understands we didn't make the NIT last year. If we make it this year, that is the very definition of progress. Not the progress any of us were hoping for, but progress nonetheless.
Everything else is you just spouting nonsense.
Teams in the NIT are still better than teams that are in neither the NCAA or NIT.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 25, 2017, 07:38:29 PM
Hah. You need to drop it. Brew is anything but passionless. You don't get that many posts here by being passionless. I'm certain he wants MU to make the NCAA this year, we all do. Except maybe you because you say we don't deserve it?
But he also understands we didn't make the NIT last year. If we make it this year, that is the very definition of progress. Not the progress any of us were hoping for, but progress nonetheless.
Everything else is you just spouting nonsense.
Brew might have passion...fine. But what irritates me is his always positive view on everything. You HAVE to be able to criticize when warranted and commend when warranted, that's called being consistent. He doesn't seem to have it in him to ever criticize...anything. And no I don't mean calling out individual players(that's crossing the line). Further, I just don't get how anyone cannot have concerns where this program is headed..Unless your head has completely been in the sand for the last 3 years, there are DEFINITELY reasons to be concerned where the program is headed. That's pretty obvious. Yet very view every voice that. I don't know if it's "shtick" for some of you on message boards to be the "all is okay" type and privately you have concerns or what. But either way, if someone doesn't...I'd be concerned.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 25, 2017, 07:38:29 PM
Hah. You need to drop it. Brew is anything but passionless. You don't get that many posts here by being passionless. I'm certain he wants MU to make the NCAA this year, we all do. Except maybe you because you say we don't deserve it?
But he also understands we didn't make the NIT last year. If we make it this year, that is the very definition of progress. Not the progress any of us were hoping for, but progress nonetheless.
Everything else is you just spouting nonsense.
Progress in minute amounts for a program that is top 5 in spending on its basketball program is good for you?
Shame!!!!!!! Ring the Shame Bell !!!!!!
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 25, 2017, 07:54:53 PM
Progress in minute amounts for a program that is top 5 in spending on its basketball program is good for you?
No shame in progress. IF (still an if, so stop pretending it's true) we miss the NCAAs, MU is definitely a NIT team. And I'd be happy to see the team in the postseason again.
Quote from: muguru on February 25, 2017, 07:50:56 PM
reasons to be concerned where the program is headed.
I am concerned about MUs defense, and I'd be shocked if anyone isn't. But there's potential for that getting better to. Concerned where the program is headed? They've been better each year of wojo's tenure, so that seems like a silly statement. Improve the defense, and I'm optimistic.
Quote from: muguru on February 25, 2017, 07:50:56 PM
Brew might have passion...fine. But what irritates me is his always positive view on everything. You HAVE to be able to criticize when warranted and commend when warranted, that's called being consistent. He doesn't seem to have it in him to ever criticize...anything. And no I don't mean calling out individual players(that's crossing the line). Further, I just don't get how anyone cannot have concerns where this program is headed..Unless your head has completely been in the sand for the last 3 years, there are DEFINITELY reasons to be concerned where the program is headed. That's pretty obvious. Yet very view every voice that. I don't know if it's "shtick" for some of you on message boards to be the "all is okay" type and privately you have concerns or what. But either way, if someone doesn't...I'd be concerned.
If you can't see the direction of the program and what Wojo is trying to do, then I guess you don't know as much about basketball as you like to claim. Certainly not more than I do. And I'm not claiming to be some basketball genius, but it's pretty clear.
Offense built on quality shooters. Playing low turnover, efficient possession, extra pass basketball. Spacing the floor and lots of guys that can shoot.
Defense primarily man, with the ability to adapt when necessary. Getting longer at every position. Rim protectors in the middle, long athletes on the wing.
I don't know if it will work, but the template is really obvious. At it's best, we see results like Vanderbilt, Georgia, Creighton, Villanova, and Xavier. But because the roster isn't there yet, because some of those pieces are 1-2 years away, we see the inconsistencies of Pittsburgh, Seton Hall (both), and Providence where we are in good shape and can't hold on.
Crying won't change those results and won't make it better. I support the team no matter the end result. And I'm patient enough to give Wojo a chance to implement his blueprint. If it doesn't work, it will eventually need to be addressed, but we're still years away from knowing conclusively.
Hate to say this, but Kentucky was in the NIT a few years ago, and they hold their team to a high standard like Marquette does.
Quote from: muguru on February 25, 2017, 07:34:21 PM
Ding Ding Ding!!! Mike gets it...not many of us do here, but some of us do. Brew likes him some NIT, doesn't hold the MU program to very high standards, and calls out anyone that says anything even remotely negative about where this program is currently, and has concerns about where they are headed. He's one of those "there's always next year" type of guys. Oh well. Can't fix passionless. You either have it or you don't.
Brew and everyone here should like the NIT more than no tournament. That is progress. I'd rather be improving, which we have been under him than the other way around. Have we arrived where you and all of us want to be? That's a different question, but some of you have timelines that may not marry to the realities of where we are.
You, Mike, Fred, others. Think for one second if Hauser's three pointer goes in, and we win? Or if Hauser gets the foul call at the end and we win? One play, but a victory instead of a loss. You and others wouldn't even be here right now, and we all would be talking about whether we have a shot for maybe an 8 or 9 seed. One play. Think about it.
Quote from: 4or5yearstojudge on February 25, 2017, 09:27:05 PM
Brew and everyone here should like the NIT more than no tournament. That is progress. I'd rather be improving, which we have been under him than the other way around. Have we arrived where you and all of us want to be? That's a different question, but some of you have timelines that may not marry to the realities of where we are.
You, Mike, Fred, others. Think for one second if Hauser's three pointer goes in, and we win? Or if Hauser gets the foul call at the end and we win? One play, but a victory instead of a loss. You and others wouldn't even be here right now, and we all would be talking about whether we have a shot for maybe an 8 or 9 seed. One play. Think about it.
Here was the press conferences of the two coaches. One guy was happy and the other not so much. Every possession a war in the Big East . Difference between success and failure is a fine line.
http://friarbasketball.com/2017/02/26/post-game-press-conferences-marquette/
Also worth noting that Cooley feels the Dunkin Donuts center is a big home court advantage.
Quote from: 4or5yearstojudge on February 25, 2017, 09:27:05 PM
Brew and everyone here should like the NIT more than no tournament. That is progress. I'd rather be improving, which we have been under him than the other way around. Have we arrived where you and all of us want to be? That's a different question, but some of you have timelines that may not marry to the realities of where we are.
You, Mike, Fred, others. Think for one second if Hauser's three pointer goes in, and we win? Or if Hauser gets the foul call at the end and we win? One play, but a victory instead of a loss. You and others wouldn't even be here right now, and we all would be talking about whether we have a shot for maybe an 8 or 9 seed. One play. Think about it.
That's the point though...good teams don't fold down the stretch like that. And it hasn't been just this game, it was the blown large second half lead against Pitt, the blown 18 pt lead at Butler, the failing to secure a rebound of a FT(twice) at Seton Hall that cost them the game, PC at home, Butler at home, then today. I mean at some point during the year you want to see progress in that area..something that says "okay, they have learned how to win the tight games", but they haven't. In fact, if anything they have learned new ways to throw them away. So it isn't one play, it's been several, in the same situations(tight games), and they have lost them all. That should be very concerning to most everyone. And yes, one play a victory rather then a loss, but they weren't victories, that's the problem.
I hate to say it, but you're righ.t
Quote from: warriorfred on February 25, 2017, 06:54:40 PM
Kind of weird, I was all for firing Wojo after the embarrassment that was the Georgetown game. Now, I am not so sure.
I actually saw some development in Heldt and Rowsey. Howard is a talent, but I haven't seen the development in Hauser, and I am wondering about Johnson and Cheatham?
It's a NIT team, which is not where the Warriors should be in year 3 of Wojo's tenure. However, I see some hope.
Sam disappeared today.
Scoop loooovee mediocrity. You'd think this was a George Mason or Memphis board if you didn't know any better.
I'm wondering where the narrative that we played defense today is coming from? This was one of our best eFG% defense games of the conference season.
We lost today because of, in order:
1. Offensive Rebounding
2. Free Throw Disparity
3. Turnovers
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2017, 01:47:33 AM
I'm wondering where the narrative that we played defense today is coming from? This was one of our best eFG% defense games of the conference season.
We lost today because of, in order:
1. Offensive Rebounding
2. Free Throw Disparity
3. Turnovers
right on! for this game-the difference between good/bad defense was the interpretation...by the referees. good, aggressive hustle and a foul. a lot of contact underneath, good position, blocking out and...a foul.
how many of the turnovers were created by the players uncertainty of their footing? not wanting to blow out a knee or tear a groiner...in the back of their minds.
yes, many excuses, but this game came down to just a few plays...on the road. we aren't that far off here. there certainly has been progress...we need a solid "cement mixer" 4, but he probably would have fouled out today as well :'(
Sam disappeared? Hell, Duane's picture was on the milk this AM.
Free throws don't count - oops.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2017, 01:47:33 AM
I'm wondering where the narrative that we played defense today is coming from? This was one of our best eFG% defense games of the conference season.
We lost today because of, in order:
1. Offensive Rebounding
2. Free Throw Disparity
3. Turnovers
4. Not as athletic as PC.
At this point in time it's really tough to judge. I think Wojo is doing a good job considering the hand he was dealt in the way in and the fact that he is changing the system and getting his guys in. Now his guys need to be developed. As the recruiting shifts the fill ins like carlino and Reinhardt go away Wojo will have a consistent program. The problem currently is that there is no one or two leaders out on the floor. Everyone is jostling for that leader role. Howard has real potential there and I think Hauser does as well. Wilson is the only guy who can be a leader now but he's sort of on the outside being from the old regime. I don't think his style fits Wojos and that's why we don't see him. With the young guys being the leaders it will take time to improve their defense but it will get there. You can see Wojos passion for defense so I doubt he's the reason for the ole defense we see out there at times. It'll come I have faith. Lots of great coaches have taken the fourth year to get to the tourney (coach K, J Wright). And I think the battle with so many like teams in the BEAST make it really difficult to rise up. Yes we had our chances and have blown them and that pisses me off but this decade's "what have you done for me now" mentality needs to chill out. Have to see the forest through the trees and build for long term. I think wojo is the guy for that. Maybe I'm wrong and that's not to say I won't be calling for his head next year or year after but this is a philosophy shift for us and it's going to take a bit of time. There is improvement and getting rid of wojo now wouldn't help. This conference is crazy good and no one expected that. Wojo is doing this the right way I believe - consistent and long term. And I like his old school mentality (bench the starters, take away the practice jerseys with the Marquette name on them). Hopefully we still get in and that would be an overachievement given where we were picked in the BEAST standings to start the year. Otherwise NIT is an improvement and we WILL be in the NCAA next year either way. Mark it! Out!
If you look at many of the games we lose we get beaten up on the boards. Luke Fisher is historically soft and it takes feathery touches to compketely clear him out of rebounding position. Add to that that he fumbles away 1-2 rebounds a game. Wojo has finally realized that Fischer is fools gold, any points he might bring on offense are lost twofold on the oppisite end. Matt Heldt has improved us tremendously, he fights and has good hands. He us only a sophomore. Hauser fights but is only a Freshman and is still undersized n gives up strength. Jjj has little interest in rebounding nor does Rinhardt. The team compketely lacks a 4. Put a muscle bound 4 on this sqyad and we prolly dont have more than 3-4 losses.
Its really that simple.
From an interview with Stan Johnson ... "We had a handful of guys that to be honest with you, we missed out on because in their hearts they felt that Henry was coming back. That 4 spot has haunted us ever since because we failed to fill that spot because people thought Henry was going to still be here"
That 4 spot has haunted us... Pretty strong words n illustrates the compkete void at that position. Sam is the only one that can even try to fill that spot n hes 18 pkaying in a big boys league, what other BE program has a undersized freshman playing the 4?
Very interesting Stan quote. Thanks for sharing. You can definitely see this issue. You can't not go get an Ellenson but that hurt. And he should have come back. Can't blame him for going for the money but he needed a lot of work.
To properly attribute that Stan quote - Dodd's posted it, you should read the full thing
http://www.scout.com/college/marquette/forums/2850-mens-hoops/15417996-i-asked-stan-johnson-about-froling-henry-going-pro-and-impact
Quote from: muguru on February 25, 2017, 09:49:29 PM
That's the point though...good teams don't fold down the stretch like that. And it hasn't been just this game, it was the blown large second half lead against Pitt, the blown 18 pt lead at Butler, the failing to secure a rebound of a FT(twice) at Seton Hall that cost them the game, PC at home, Butler at home, then today. I mean at some point during the year you want to see progress in that area..something that says "okay, they have learned how to win the tight games", but they haven't. In fact, if anything they have learned new ways to throw them away. So it isn't one play, it's been several, in the same situations(tight games), and they have lost them all. That should be very concerning to most everyone. And yes, one play a victory rather then a loss, but they weren't victories, that's the problem.
Name this Marquette team:
Blew an 11pt lead against NC State
Blew a 17pt lead against FSU
Lost to Depaul when Depaul was an even worse program than now
Blew a 15pt lead against Washington
This Marquette team was also extremely undersized and had to rely on 3pt shooting to carry itself to wins. They made the NCAA tournament and I'm sure in your blind memory they were another great Marquette team. But based on what you say on this board they didn't deserve to be there and the coach was never going to figure out how to put that team together.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 26, 2017, 08:15:37 AM
To properly attribute that Stan quote - Dodd's posted it, you should read the full thing
http://www.scout.com/college/marquette/forums/2850-mens-hoops/15417996-i-asked-stan-johnson-about-froling-henry-going-pro-and-impact
Johnson is absolutely right. We tried to convince players like Levin, Froling, Washington, Willis, etc that Henry was one and done. But no matter how high he was ranked, recruits were skeptical that some white boy from Rice Lake, WI was going to go pro after one season. Impossible to know what would have happened if he didn't come, but imagine if instead of 1 year of Henry we had:
15-16: Taylor and Levin
16-17: Levin, Washington, and Froling
The 15-16 team is just as good as the one with Henry and this year's team would be top 25. But, its an academic exercise at this point. Besides, you have to go after the 5 star when you can get him. I'd rather have the coach who gets the 5 star and fails to recruit a backup than the coach who is too scared to go after a 5 star because he's not sure he'll be able to recruit behind him.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 26, 2017, 07:38:01 AM
If you look at many of the games we lose we get beaten up on the boards. Luke Fisher is historically soft and it takes feathery touches to compketely clear him out of rebounding position. Add to that that he fumbles away 1-2 rebounds a game.
Hairy wet cat
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on February 26, 2017, 08:32:18 AM
Name this Marquette team:
Blew an 11pt lead against NC State
Blew a 17pt lead against FSU
Lost to Depaul when Depaul was an even worse program than now
Blew a 15pt lead against Washington
This Marquette team was also extremely undersized and had to rely on 3pt shooting to carry itself to wins. They made the NCAA tournament and I'm sure in your blind memory they were another great Marquette team. But based on what you say on this board they didn't deserve to be there and the coach was never going to figure out how to put that team together.
I agree the two teams are similar in size (the 2009 team was actually smaller) and style. And I agree that volatile swings and the potential to wear down late happens with those types of teams.
But just because there are similarities doesn't mean the teams are or have been on the same trajectories. The 2009 team finished 11-7 in a league with 5 teams in the top 18. This year's team is 8-8 in a conference with 2 teams in the top 22. The 2009 team was a 6 seed. This year we're squarely on maybe the softest bubble in history.
Quote from: skianth16 on February 26, 2017, 12:49:55 AM
Scoop loooovee mediocrity. You'd think this was a George Mason or Memphis board if you didn't know any better.
Scoop doesn't "love mediocrity." Scoopers want to win.
The difference is that some Scoopers are more patient than others. Are they too patient? Are they too optimistic when they talk about progress? Time will tell.
However saying they love mediocrity is dismissive bullsh*t.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 26, 2017, 08:56:07 AM
I agree the two teams are similar in size (the 2009 team was actually smaller) and style. And I agree that volatile swings and the potential to wear down late happens with those types of teams.
But just because there are similarities doesn't mean the teams are or have been on the same trajectories. The 2009 team finished 11-7 in a league with 5 teams in the top 18. This year's team is 8-8 in a conference with 2 teams in the top 22. The 2009 team was a 6 seed. This year we're squarely on maybe the softest bubble in history.
Your points are accurate, but there is more to it. Let's take the polls out and use ratings, at least any bias is done by an algorithm.
Only four teams were in top 18 at this point in the season in 2009-10. Georgetown made it after their later due to the post season run.
Both this year and that year, the Big East is rated the third best league in the country.
The Big East also had three teams worse than 150th in 2009-10, this year's league has one. In 2009-10, the league had six top 50 teams, despite 16 members. This year's Big East also has six top 50 teams, but only 10 members. 60% is better than 38%.
This year's league has suffered two major injuries to two top teams (Creighton and Xavier) when they were both top 15 in the country and that has dropped them as a result.
MU played the 46th toughest schedule in 2009-10.
MU has thus far played the 57th toughest schedule this year, but with at least two quality opponents still to play and perhaps 3 to 4, which will likely see us finish around 50 for schedule.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2017, 01:47:33 AM
I'm wondering where the narrative that we played defense today is coming from? This was one of our best eFG% defense games of the conference season.
We lost today because of, in order:
1. Offensive Rebounding
2. Free Throw Disparity
3. Turnovers
4.Ed Cooley said the crowd was a huge factor in PC's favor.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 26, 2017, 10:25:17 AM
4.Ed Cooley said the crowd was a huge factor in PC's favor.
Forgot one thing, seniors play like Freshman. If they would have played like seniors this team might have been pretty good. When you can not get an easy basket
at the end of the game, it is because Luke is on the bench. All Matt does is set picks, no inside presence. When Luke is good, MU is good.
People really overrate the impact of seniors. College game has changed completely since 1977. Sure Nova had Ochefu and Archi last year, but it was Jenkins and Hart who ran that team.
Look at the Duke team the year before with Okafor, Allen, Winslow and Jones. Kentucky in 2012. The list goes on. Seniors can be important but everybody is really overplaying this whole "senior leadership" garbage.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 26, 2017, 11:04:15 AM
People really overrate the impact of seniors. College game has changed completely since 1977. Sure Nova had Ochefu and Archi last year, but it was Jenkins and Hart who ran that team.
Look at the Duke team the year before with Okafor, Allen, Winslow and Jones. Kentucky in 2012. The list goes on. Seniors can be important but everybody is really overplaying this whole "senior leadership" garbage.
Seniors have a huge impact on the game which is what allows smaller school teams to compete with the bigger programs. See Wichita State, Wisconsin, Gonzaga, etc. Essentially, senior laden programs from the smaller schools are what creates the parity in college basketball.
Advantages with Seniors:
Maturity
More developed bodies
Leadership
Game time experience
Increased abilities
ETC.
I've seen a lot of feeble posts on this site, but none that have lacked so much insight before. Talk about not having a grasp on the game of college basketball, let alone common sense. A total disaster. One of the worst posts in MUScoop History. Embarrassing.
Feel free to look at our own womens team as an example mate. One senior on the entire squad, probably option number 5, and they will probably make the tournament for the first time since 2011.
Cheers for the attempted lecture though. Just made me even more confident in my point. Also just a tip, next time please make your post readable. I spent way too much time trying to figure out where your incoherent rambling began.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 26, 2017, 05:02:56 PM
Feel free to look at our own womens team as an example mate. One senior on the entire squad, probably option number 5, and they will probably make the tournament for the first time since 2011.
Cheers for the attempted lecture though. Just made me even more confident in my point. Also just a tip, next time please make your post readable. I spent way too much time trying to figure out where your incoherent rambling began.
I'll dumb it down for you next time. Your point doesn't hold any water whatsoever. What does one team only having one senior have to do with the argument? You talk to any coach and they'd rather have seniors than underclassmen for the reasons I posted above. Do you not understand basic college basketball and human development/growth?
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 26, 2017, 05:52:36 PM
I'll dumb it down for you next time. Your point doesn't hold any water whatsoever. What does one team only having one senior have to do with the argument? You talk to any coach and they'd rather have seniors than underclassmen for the reasons I posted above. Do you not understand basic college basketball and human development/growth?
Disagree, theres a phrase coaches use all the time called a "good graduation" it has nothing to do with being a senior or not. It just has to do with being a better player. Bad players will not magically be better just because they grow into their body, get stronger or become a senior.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 26, 2017, 11:04:15 AM
People really overrate the impact of seniors.
And some people underestimate the impact of senior leadership when it is being expected of them. Sure, Kentucky doesn't need senior leadership. And maybe Duke and UNC, but they have Cal, K, and Roy and reload every year. There is a reason that some senior-led mid-major pulls off an upset every year and frequently makes the sweet 16. There is a reason that Jae/JFB/Lazar are canonized among the MU community.
Wojo is trying to build a culture. He needed his seniors to step up and lead every single game. He hasn't gotten it. And it has gotten so bad that after a week off, when all the positions were opened up to those working the hardest in practice, none of the seniors started.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 26, 2017, 05:57:45 PM
Disagree, theres a phrase coaches use all the time called a "good graduation" it has nothing to do with being a senior or not. It just has to do with being a better player. Bad players will not magically be better just because they grow into their body, get stronger or become a senior.
It's not magic. It's called practice, weight room, and experience - you know all of the things that go into creating a better basketball player. Any senior version of a basketball player will be better than their freshman self. That's just common sense.
Quote from: tower912 on February 26, 2017, 06:03:18 PM
And some people underestimate the impact of senior leadership when it is being expected of them. Sure, Kentucky doesn't need senior leadership. And maybe Duke and UNC, but they have Cal, K, and Roy and reload every year. There is a reason that some senior-led mid-major pulls off an upset every year and frequently makes the sweet 16. There is a reason that Jae/JFB/Lazar are canonized among the MU community.
Wojo is trying to build a culture. He needed his seniors to step up and lead every single game. He hasn't gotten it. And it has gotten so bad that after a week off, when all the positions were opened up to those working the hardest in practice, none of the seniors started.
Okay? Still not seeing your point. Someone else step up then, you dont have to rely on people just because they're older. How are the womens team so successful with a team entirely composed of Sophomores then?
I fucking hate the term senior leadership. Its a silly cliche, its so much more dependent on the individual player than their age.
You're lost homey.
If you'd rather have a freshman version of player A than senior version of player A, you're just double digit in the IQ department. God dealt you a poor hand.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 26, 2017, 06:17:37 PM
You're lost homey.
If you'd rather have a freshman version of player A than senior version of player A, you're just double digit in the IQ department. God dealt you a poor hand.
God doesnt exist
Improving your ability and leadership are not one and the same. Completely different concepts, its like trying to compare organic chemistry and creative writing.
And to answer your statement, yes. There are many players I have seen that I would much rather have the younger version of themselves.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 26, 2017, 06:20:17 PM
Improving your ability and leadership are not one and the same. Completely different concepts, its like trying to compare organic chemistry and creative writing.
And to answer your statement, yes. There are many players I have seen that I would much rather have the younger version of themselves.
Who said it was about leadership? I demonstrated the ability portion in my first post. *Sigh* This shouldn't even be an argument. You're arguing that this MU team would be better now than if they were all seniors. Dear lord.....
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 26, 2017, 06:14:19 PM
Okay? Still not seeing your point. Someone else step up then, you dont have to rely on people just because they're older. How are the womens team so successful with a team entirely composed of Sophomores then?
I unnatural carnal knowledgeing hate the term senior leadership. Its a silly cliche, its so much more dependent on the individual player than their age.
Hate away. Look, 'senior leadership' is a thing whether you like it or not. And it is something that this team hasn't consistently received. Of course, it isn't the only thing. And yes, talent is very important, too. And sometimes, the seniors are leading correctly but just aren't very good. (Derrick, Juan)
Let's go back a few years. Who was more physically gifted when he arrived at MU, Jamil, Jimmy, Lazar, or Jae? Which of these 4 won games during their senior year through will and toughness? Which of these 4 improved themselves at MU and raised up their teammates as a senior? Which played out of position but was mentally and physically tougher than their opponent and through their own senior leadership got their entire team to overachieve? And which one, with a chance to take a game winning shot, passed the ball to Derrick Wilson?
It is a thing. It is not the only thing and sometimes it isn't the biggest thing. But to discount it entirely is willfully choose to ignore something that can be very important.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on February 26, 2017, 06:22:39 PM
Who said it was about leadership? I demonstrated the ability portion in my first post. *Sigh* This shouldn't even be an argument. You're arguing that this MU team would be better now than if they were all seniors. Dear lord.....
I tend to not read your posts very often mate. Don't want those double digit IQ points dropping into the single digits now.
I'd still like to know why the Marquettes women's team is good than Brew. I mean he'll, their senior barely does anything. Surely they must have like 5 wins this year right?
That Tyus Jones and Anthony Davis. Really too bad they didn't have a senior leader. Maybe then they could have won a national championship.
In this day and age of college basketball it simply isn't as important as you make it out to be.
A thing. Not the only thing. Also, in reality, as much as I enjoy watching women's college basketball (and I do), there is UConn and everybody else. MU is improved in a weakish league. They will probably make their tournament. MU men are slightly improved in a meat-grinder league and are lacking size and leadership.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 26, 2017, 06:32:20 PM
I'd still like to know why the Marquettes women's team is good than Brew. I mean he'll, their senior barely does anything. Surely they must have like 5 wins this year right?
Seems to be because talent trumps experience.
However experienced moderate to highly talented players is what most strive for because only a handful of teams can attract the number of one-and-dones to consistently win with an in-experienced team.
I would also argue that good coaching can overcome inexperience - but that is a whole other thread I imagine.
Quote from: warriorfred on February 25, 2017, 06:54:40 PM
I actually saw some development in Heldt and Rowsey. Howard is a talent, but I haven't seen the development in Hauser, and I am wondering about Johnson and Cheatham?
Heldt - 2nd year player, naturally going to improve. Especially a soft big kid who doesnt have enough muscle for his frame. Skills are there, just having time to bulk up will be invaluable.
Rowsey - hadn't played against live teams for over a year. Understandably would make sense to take time to adapt.
Hauser - Are you watching his whole game or just his 3pt percentage?
Johnson - Senior probably a bit too set in his ways. Still love to watch him play.
Cheatham - Has become a better defensive player, but has lost some confidence. I think he'll have people eating their hats by the end of his career.
Quote from: 4or5yearstojudge on February 26, 2017, 09:25:44 AM
This year's league has suffered two major injuries to two top teams (Creighton and Xavier) when they were both top 15 in the country and that has dropped them as a result.
This is good point. Before the injuries to Watson, Sumner and Bluiett, this year's Big East would rival the Big East of 2009-10.
But without those injuries, MU would likely have been 1-3 or 0-4 vs Creighton and Xavier, meaning we would have finished the season 7-11 or 6-12.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 25, 2017, 07:38:29 PM
Hah. You need to drop it. Brew is anything but passionless. You don't get that many posts here by being passionless. I'm certain he wants MU to make the NCAA this year, we all do. Except maybe you because you say we don't deserve it?
But he also understands we didn't make the NIT last year. If we make it this year, that is the very definition of progress. Not the progress any of us were hoping for, but progress nonetheless.
Everything else is you just spouting nonsense.
The NIT is progress??
Quote from: Uncertain on February 27, 2017, 03:16:21 AM
The NIT is progress??
Damn you people, go back to your shanties.
Quote from: Uncertain on February 27, 2017, 03:16:21 AM
The NIT is progress??
Did they make the post season last year?
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 27, 2017, 09:21:23 AM
Did they make the post season last year?
No. And there is a possibility they will miss it again this season.
Some may view the participating in the NIT as progress. I do not. The NIT is taking your sister to the prom. And as beautiful as my sisters are the very thought of such an eventuality is hateful.
Quote from: Uncertain on February 27, 2017, 02:07:47 PM
No. And there is a possibility they will miss it again this season.
Some may view the participating in the NIT as progress. I do not. The NIT is taking your sister to the prom. And as beautiful as my sisters are the very thought of such an eventuality is hateful.
The NIT after three seasons of no post season is progress. It may not be enough progress for you, and that's fine, but it most certainly is progress.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 27, 2017, 02:14:51 PM
The NIT after three seasons of no post season is progress. It may not be enough progress for you, and that's fine, but it most certainly is progress.
Depending on which week of this roller coaster season you look at, sometimes making the NIT feels like progress, and sometimes it feels like failure. This is a team that has shown it is talented enough to not only qualify but compete in the NCAA's. Unfortunately, we have this nasty habit of blowing second half leads and losing games we should have won. Because these are the kinds of performances that will in all likelihood lead to an NIT berth (in a weak bubble year), the NIT feels like it isn't really a step in the right direction.
I just do not see criticizing Hauser. He was asked to play out of position and I have never seen him dog it. He is very similar to Novak in that he will not take a bad three point shot. There was only one time that I remember his shot not hitting the rim. He missed a wide open three by a mile in one game. However, that was right after he took a hard fall on the other end and I figure he must of got his bell rung and said nothing about it. He takes only good shots and those are hard to come by when players like JJJ and Reinhardt continually jack up shots. He will finish in the top 10 in rebound average for an MU freshmen and he will finish second to Howard and three point shots made by a freshmen. That is a pretty good freshmen year.
Quote from: skianth16 on February 27, 2017, 03:53:04 PM
Depending on which week of this roller coaster season you look at, sometimes making the NIT feels like progress, and sometimes it feels like failure. This is a team that has shown it is talented enough to not only qualify but compete in the NCAA's. Unfortunately, we have this nasty habit of blowing second half leads and losing games we should have won. Because these are the kinds of performances that will in all likelihood lead to an NIT berth (in a weak bubble year), the NIT feels like it isn't really a step in the right direction.
I understand where you are coming from. Expectations changed when we beat Nova.
Quote from: Uncertain on February 27, 2017, 02:07:47 PM
No. And there is a possibility they will miss it again this season.
Some may view the participating in the NIT as progress. I do not. The NIT is taking your sister to the prom. And as beautiful as my sisters are the very thought of such an eventuality is hateful.
I think it is more like your step sister. Not the most desirable person to go with , but if You win it ( equal to both getting drunk and losing carnal inhibition) then it can be a good thing that came from bad.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 27, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
I think it is more like your step sister. Not the most desirable person to go with , but if You win it ( equal to both getting drunk and losing carnal inhibition) then it can be a good thing that came from bad.
Getting your step sister drunk to have sex with her is a good thing?
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 27, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
I think it is more like your step sister. Not the most desirable person to go with , but if You win it ( equal to both getting drunk and losing carnal inhibition) then it can be a good thing that came from bad.
WTF? You've lost it
We will win a game in the next couple of weeks within one possession and everyone will scream: "what grit, maybe they've learned something, etc.", when really it's just regression to the mean. It sucks that we keep losing these close games, but the bigger question is whether we should be in one possession games with Providence and Seton Hall.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 27, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
I think it is more like your step sister. Not the most desirable person to go with , but if You win it ( equal to both getting drunk and losing carnal inhibition) then it can be a good thing that came from bad.
You, Sir, have made scoop takes yet again. They should just change it to MUFINY Takes.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 27, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
I think it is more like your step sister. Not the most desirable person to go with , but if You win it ( equal to both getting drunk and losing carnal inhibition) then it can be a good thing that came from bad.
Performance Art
Gotta believe Uncertain 'cuz he's a fine, upstandin' dude who has a bright future and wood never do such a thin', ai na?
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 27, 2017, 07:14:42 PM
You, Sir, have made scoop takes yet again. They should just change it to MUFINY Takes.
Not only that but their conversation about sister/stepsister made it as a screen shot so that would be double bonus points there vogue started strong but faded. It is now Fanny and Dean. Who will get the coveted scoop takes tittle by the end of the season?
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 27, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
I think it is more like your step sister. Not the most desirable person to go with , but if You win it ( equal to both getting drunk and losing carnal inhibition) then it can be a good thing that came from bad.
I can honestly say that the thought of equating the NIT with having sex with my sister or my step-sister never entered my mind.
Quote from: connie on March 01, 2017, 02:29:21 PM
I can honestly say that the thought of equating the NIT with having sex with my sister or my step-sister never entered my mind.
But if it *did* cross your mind, what would that be like?
(Asking for a friend.)
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 01, 2017, 02:35:46 PM
But if it *did* cross your mind, what would that be like?
(Asking for a friend.)
HA! Not sure, but I think it would require plush dolls and a psychiatrist's office.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 27, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
I think it is more like your step sister. Not the most desirable person to go with , but if You win it ( equal to both getting drunk and losing carnal inhibition) then it can be a good thing that came from bad.
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