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Title: Crean to NC State!
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 21, 2017, 10:26:51 PM
Just a throwback to all the Crean to X threads....

http://www.scout.com/college/indiana/forums/2353-peegs-iu-hoop-forum/15391575-fire-crean-now
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: wadesworld on February 21, 2017, 10:29:22 PM
Stated this in the Gameday Chat. Would make a lot of sense for both sides.

Marshall to Washington.

Bazz to Louisville in a few years.

Sean Miller to UNC in a few years.

Archie Miller to Zona in a few years.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: Golden Avalanche on February 21, 2017, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 21, 2017, 10:29:22 PM
Stated this in the Gameday Chat. Would make a lot of sense for both sides.

Marshall to Washington.

Bazz to Louisville in a few years.

Sean Miller to UNC in a few years.

Archie Miller to Zona in a few years.

Washington is not firing their coach. Archie isn't leaving Ohio.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: wadesworld on February 21, 2017, 10:41:24 PM
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 21, 2017, 10:38:33 PM
Washington is not firing their coach. Archie isn't leaving Ohio.

I would put my life savings on Archie leaving Ohio at some point in his career.

Romar has gone 6 years straight without an NCAA Tournament appearance. He gowne.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: Golden Avalanche on February 21, 2017, 10:44:19 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 21, 2017, 10:41:24 PM
I would put my life savings on Archie leaving Ohio at some point in his career.

Romar has gone 6 years straight without an NCAA Tournament appearance. He gowne.

Ok.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: LAZER on February 22, 2017, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 21, 2017, 10:29:22 PM
Stated this in the Gameday Chat. Would make a lot of sense for both sides.

Marshall to Washington.

Bazz to Louisville in a few years.

Sean Miller to UNC in a few years.

Archie Miller to Zona in a few years.
Marshall to Washington? That seems like an odd fit.

I think Buzz will need to starting winning a lot more to get the Louisville job.

I do think Miller eventually heads back east, I think he would listen to IU too.

There's been buzz about Archie waiting for Matta to step down.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: wadesworld on February 22, 2017, 01:25:42 PM
Quote from: LAZER on February 22, 2017, 01:20:49 PM
Marshall to Washington? That seems like an odd fit.

I think Buzz will need to starting winning a lot more to get the Louisville job.

I do think Miller eventually heads back east, I think he would listen to IU too.

There's been buzz about Archie waiting for Matta to step down.

Marshall's wife is from Washington (state) and (evidently) they have talked about how great it would be to live in the PNW.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: JWags85 on February 22, 2017, 03:21:20 PM
Quote from: LAZER on February 22, 2017, 01:20:49 PM
There's been buzz about Archie waiting for Matta to step down.

Archie played at NC State and met his wife there.  Thats going to be very interesting.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: wadesworld on February 22, 2017, 03:30:21 PM
Quote from: JWags85 on February 22, 2017, 03:21:20 PM
Archie played at NC State and met his wife there.  Thats going to be very interesting.

That would be a poor decision.  They just fired a guy who went to 2 S16s and 4 NCAA Tournaments in 6 years.  NC State had gone to 5 NCAA Tournaments in the previous 20 years before Gottfried.  You'd be going to a school that thinks they should be competing with UNC and Duke when in reality they're nowhere near it.  He should stay where he is comfortable and has no expectations until a truly good job opens up.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: Babybluejeans on February 22, 2017, 03:46:24 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 22, 2017, 03:30:21 PM
That would be a poor decision.  They just fired a guy who went to 2 S16s and 4 NCAA Tournaments in 6 years.  NC State had gone to 5 NCAA Tournaments in the previous 20 years before Gottfried.  You'd be going to a school that thinks they should be competing with UNC and Duke when in reality they're nowhere near it.  He should stay where he is comfortable and has no expectations until a truly good job opens up.

Maybe. The fact he and his wife both went to NC State carries some weight here. And if you've living in Dayton, Ohio, a truly good job is any job not in Dayton.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: LAZER on February 22, 2017, 04:23:14 PM
Quote from: Babybluejeans on February 22, 2017, 03:46:24 PM
Maybe. The fact he and his wife both went to NC State carries some weight here. And if you've living in Dayton, Ohio, a truly good job is any job not in Dayton.
Also of note, NC State's AD is stepping down in 2019. I just don't think it's a very desirable job.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: cheebs09 on February 22, 2017, 04:49:46 PM
Quote from: LAZER on February 22, 2017, 04:23:14 PM
Also of note, NC State's AD is stepping down in 2019. I just don't think it's a very desirable job.

That may make it more desirable. I think Yow is tough to work for. Granted, an AD coming in to work with a coach they didn't hire can be risky as we learned the hard way.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: GGGG on February 22, 2017, 04:55:28 PM
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 22, 2017, 04:49:46 PM
That may make it more desirable. I think Yow is tough to work for. Granted, an AD coming in to work with a coach they didn't hire can be risky as we learned the hard way.


This is why no one should be allowed to announce their retirement 2+ years in advance.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: 🏀 on February 22, 2017, 06:20:47 PM
Quote from: Babybluejeans on February 22, 2017, 03:46:24 PM
Maybe. The fact he and his wife both went to NC State carries some weight here. And if you've living in Dayton, Ohio, a truly good job is any job not in Dayton.

+3,000
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: Herman Cain on February 24, 2017, 10:45:58 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 21, 2017, 10:29:22 PM
Stated this in the Gameday Chat. Would make a lot of sense for both sides.

Marshall to Washington.

Bazz to Louisville in a few years.

Sean Miller to UNC in a few years.

Archie Miller to Zona in a few years.
Archie Won't walk away from Kostas , the highest rated recruit in Dayton history
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: Efficient Frontier on February 25, 2017, 07:46:56 AM
The only thing worse than having MU's head coach rumored to be sought after.... is MU having a coach who isn't sought after.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: tower912 on February 25, 2017, 08:11:40 AM
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 24, 2017, 10:45:58 PM
Archie Won't walk away from Kostas , the highest rated recruit in Dayton history

You had a really bad day of posting.     Wow.   
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: JWags85 on February 25, 2017, 09:48:03 AM
Quote from: tower912 on February 25, 2017, 08:11:40 AM
You had a really bad day of posting.     Wow.   

I laughed really hard for a second, and was ready to post "well done"...then I saw who posted it.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: warriorchick on February 25, 2017, 10:01:48 AM
Quote from: tower912 on February 25, 2017, 08:11:40 AM
You had a really bad day of posting.     Wow.   

Let's hope he's just off his meds and these aren't his real opinions.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: Jay Bee on February 25, 2017, 10:03:32 AM
If Crean is creaned, he should sit out a year or two. There is an offset provision in his contract; even working media for a regional outfit is allowed.. I'd recommend to him that he spends a year or two doing light media work, then go back into coaching... otherwise, he's gonna be "coaching for free"
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: Herman Cain on February 25, 2017, 11:38:31 AM
Quote from: tower912 on February 25, 2017, 08:11:40 AM
You had a really bad day of posting.     Wow.   
http://www.daytondailynews.com/events/sports/dayton-freshman-antetokounmpo-experiencing-nba-all-star-weekend/EPj1lokr5dc29POKnGGbxK/

This is the kind of publicity we could have had. Archie is going to soak it up for a while.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: tower912 on February 25, 2017, 11:56:01 AM
Yeah, no.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: Jay Bee on February 25, 2017, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 25, 2017, 11:38:31 AM
http://www.daytondailynews.com/events/sports/dayton-freshman-antetokounmpo-experiencing-nba-all-star-weekend/EPj1lokr5dc29POKnGGbxK/

This is the kind of publicity we could have had. Archie is going to soak it up for a while.

To bad Kostas was a nonqualifier, hey?
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: JWags85 on February 25, 2017, 12:26:20 PM
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 25, 2017, 11:38:31 AM
http://www.daytondailynews.com/events/sports/dayton-freshman-antetokounmpo-experiencing-nba-all-star-weekend/EPj1lokr5dc29POKnGGbxK/

This is the kind of publicity we could have had. Archie is going to soak it up for a while.

Guys, we cant get positive press in the Dayton Daily News, might as well close up shop.

You really think the JS, which didn't even give Marquette extended space for knocking off Nova, is going to do a fluff piece on Kostas?  He would be a blurb in an article about his brother.

I wouldn't mine the hookup for what you're smoking though.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: cheebs09 on February 25, 2017, 12:26:52 PM
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 25, 2017, 11:38:31 AM
http://www.daytondailynews.com/events/sports/dayton-freshman-antetokounmpo-experiencing-nba-all-star-weekend/EPj1lokr5dc29POKnGGbxK/

This is the kind of publicity we could have had. Archie is going to soak it up for a while.

Something less than a Matt V article? It will be interesting to see how he plays once he's eligible, but I like the guys we currently have coming in.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 25, 2017, 01:45:18 PM
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 25, 2017, 11:38:31 AM
http://www.daytondailynews.com/events/sports/dayton-freshman-antetokounmpo-experiencing-nba-all-star-weekend/EPj1lokr5dc29POKnGGbxK/

This is the kind of publicity we could have had. Archie is going to soak it up for a while.

We could have had fluff pieces in the Dayton Daily News, and passed it up?  Fire Wojo!
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 25, 2017, 10:54:17 PM
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 24, 2017, 10:45:58 PM
Archie Won't walk away from Kostas , the highest and greatest recruit in Dayton history
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: MU82 on March 01, 2017, 03:48:54 AM
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 25, 2017, 11:38:31 AM
http://www.daytondailynews.com/events/sports/dayton-freshman-antetokounmpo-experiencing-nba-all-star-weekend/EPj1lokr5dc29POKnGGbxK/

This is the kind of publicity we could have had. Archie is going to soak it up for a while.

I know, man. We had to settle for the trickle of publicity we got from beating the No. 7 team in the nation on the road and then the No. 1 team in the nation at home in the same week.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 07, 2017, 05:05:01 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 21, 2017, 10:41:24 PM
I would put my life savings on Archie leaving Ohio at some point in his career.

Romar has gone 6 years straight without an NCAA Tournament appearance. He gowne.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/coaching-carousel-washington-to-retain-lorenzo-romar-thad-matta-to-return-at-ohio-state-032351523.html
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: wadesworld on March 07, 2017, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 07, 2017, 05:05:01 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/coaching-carousel-washington-to-retain-lorenzo-romar-thad-matta-to-return-at-ohio-state-032351523.html

Wow.  That's pretty horrible.  6 straight years with no NCAA and 2 wins in a conference that, after the top 3 teams, is pretty horrible...with the clear cut top pick in the NBA Draft.  That's brutal.  And that's what happens when you let keeping one player around (a player that is worse than the player you are winning 2 conference games with on your team) run who is running your program.

Romar would be smart to go to Mizzou.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 07, 2017, 08:16:51 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 07, 2017, 05:47:07 PM

Romar would be smart to go to Mizzou.


He is coaching at his alma mater, and they seem to be willing to keep him despite his weak performance.  Why on earth should he leave to go to a school that just fired an underperforming coach after only 3 seasons?
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: wadesworld on March 07, 2017, 08:55:54 PM
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 07, 2017, 08:16:51 PM
He is coaching at his alma mater, and they seem to be willing to keep him despite his weak performance.  Why on earth should he leave to go to a school that just fired an underperforming coach after only 3 seasons?

Because it's where you grew up and the only reason you still have a job where you're currently working is because you're bringing in a kid who is going to be gone in a year, which means you, too, will be gone in a year, and so will your home state job.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 07, 2017, 09:02:50 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 07, 2017, 08:55:54 PM
Because it's where you grew up and the only reason you still have a job where you're currently working is because you're bringing in a kid who is going to be gone in a year, which means you, too, will be gone in a year, and so will your home state job.

Actually, no.  Romar's seat isn't even warm.  Alums do want a winner, but they are content settling for lottery picks that get the school name into the NBA.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: wadesworld on March 07, 2017, 09:10:41 PM
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 07, 2017, 09:02:50 PM
Actually, no.  Romar's seat isn't even warm.  Alums do want a winner, but they are content settling for lottery picks that get the school name into the NBA.

When you have to announce you are retaining a coach, that coach's seat is beyond warm...
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: wadesworld on March 07, 2017, 09:18:46 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/www.seattlepi.com/sports/college/amp/Report-Washington-Huskies-to-retain-Lorenzo-Romar-10983185.php

Turns out him and Crean are probably in the same boat. One more year due to a big buyout (another dumb reason to keep a coach). And in Romar's case, the top rated recruit so Washington fans can reval in hearing yet another lottery pick being discussed about how terrible of a year his Washington team had on draft night.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: Cooby Snacks on March 07, 2017, 11:36:50 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 07, 2017, 09:18:46 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/www.seattlepi.com/sports/college/amp/Report-Washington-Huskies-to-retain-Lorenzo-Romar-10983185.php

Turns out him and Crean are probably in the same boat. One more year due to a big buyout (another dumb reason to keep a coach). And in Romar's case, the top rated recruit so Washington fans can reval in hearing yet another lottery pick being discussed about how terrible of a year his Washington team had on draft night.

If UDub is miserable again next season, he's done. This year was tough as Murray and Criss weren't thought to be one-and-dones, so there wasn't anything behind them in the pipeline. The '17 class has Porter, who everyone knows will be gone after one year, but could be a good cornerstone group with 3 other top-100 guys.

He gets a bunch of bonus points for having the most tourney success in modern school history (it's never been a top-level program) and running a clean enough operation. Football being good again probably helps too.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: keefe on March 08, 2017, 01:18:26 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 21, 2017, 10:41:24 PM
Romar has gone 6 years straight without an NCAA Tournament appearance. He gowne.

Had dinner tonight with an investor who is big into U Dub athletics. When asked he said Romar has another 3 years at least. And this guy thinks Romar is an idiot. They evidently tied up a lot of money in him with a 10 year deal and he has 4 left after this year.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: Herman Cain on March 09, 2017, 12:03:57 AM
Hoping Crean gets one of the LSU, Missouri or NC State jobs . I always like to see our former coaches do well.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 09, 2017, 12:34:43 PM
Quote from: keefe on March 08, 2017, 01:18:26 AM
Had dinner tonight with an investor who is big into U Dub athletics. When asked he said Romar has another 3 years at least. And this guy thinks Romar is an idiot. They evidently tied up a lot of money in him with a 10 year deal and he has 4 left after this year.

Yep.  That's consistent with what I've heard.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: wadesworld on March 15, 2017, 05:22:12 PM
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 07, 2017, 09:02:50 PM
Actually, no.  Romar's seat isn't even warm.  Alums do want a winner, but they are content settling for lottery picks that get the school name into the NBA.

Quote from: keefe on March 08, 2017, 01:18:26 AM
Had dinner tonight with an investor who is big into U Dub athletics. When asked he said Romar has another 3 years at least. And this guy thinks Romar is an idiot. They evidently tied up a lot of money in him with a 10 year deal and he has 4 left after this year.

Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 09, 2017, 12:34:43 PM
Yep.  That's consistent with what I've heard.

Welp, might be time to start looking for some new dinner buddies for your Huskies info.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 15, 2017, 05:41:51 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 15, 2017, 05:22:12 PM
Welp, might be time to start looking for some new dinner buddies for your Huskies info.

Posted this in Cuonzo Martin thread:

He's going to hire Porter, Sr. with him. Allowed the Dawgs to relieve Romar. Now watch little Porter end up with his father.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: jesmu84 on March 15, 2017, 06:27:58 PM
Quote from: keefe on March 08, 2017, 01:18:26 AM
Had dinner tonight with an investor who is big into U Dub athletics. When asked he said Romar has another 3 years at least. And this guy thinks Romar is an idiot. They evidently tied up a lot of money in him with a 10 year deal and he has 4 left after this year.

Hubris?
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: wadesworld on March 15, 2017, 07:06:57 PM
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 15, 2017, 05:41:51 PM
Posted this in Cuonzo Martin thread:

He's going to hire Porter, Sr. with him. Allowed the Dawgs to relieve Romar. Now watch little Porter end up with his father.

That would make sense.  I would assume Cuonzo will also bring Tracy Webster with him.  Tracy followed Cuonzo from Tennessee to Cal.  My dad was friends with him, great guy.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: tower912 on March 15, 2017, 07:13:08 PM
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 15, 2017, 06:27:58 PM
Hubris?
Perfect.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 15, 2017, 08:08:45 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 15, 2017, 05:22:12 PM
Welp, might be time to start looking for some new dinner buddies for your Huskies info.

That also goes for the Yahoo "sources" cited in the link above, who said Romar wasn't going to be released....
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: JWags85 on March 15, 2017, 09:21:22 PM
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 15, 2017, 05:41:51 PM
Posted this in Cuonzo Martin thread:

He's going to hire Porter, Sr. with him. Allowed the Dawgs to relieve Romar. Now watch little Porter end up with his father.

I didn't realize Porter was from Columbia, MO and Jr went to HS in Columbia until his dad took the job at U Dub.  That makes this all even more sensical.

Sucks, screw Mizzou and Kim English.
Title: Re: Crean to NC State!
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 15, 2017, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 15, 2017, 08:08:45 PM
That also goes for the Yahoo "sources" cited in the link above, who said Romar wasn't going to be released....

To be fair, as of late February, there was no issue with Romar and UW.

Once the Missouri job opened it allowed Martin to sell his imminent hiring of Porter, Sr. as an assistant. He gets the offer, Porter is out from UW, and the UW admin was now free to terminate Romar. This was a 72 hour turnaround. 
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