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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on February 11, 2017, 01:07:57 PM
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1. Run off the 3 point line again.
2. Playing without passion, urgency, energy on the road.
3. Defense not magically better.
4. Size mattered.
5. So, if you are small, shoot poorly, defend and rebound without energy or passion... yeah, this is to be expected.
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This is the type of game that makes you lose faith that things are heading in the right direction.
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This team is a mess.
Here is hoping that Duke wins the national championship. Coach K retires and Duke hires Wojo.
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Saw this coming, the team peaked vs Nova, and I still think they only won because everything went wrong for Nova and everything went right for MU. Yikes. What a mess.
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This is the type of game that makes you lose faith that things are heading in the right direction.
That faith was shaky already. Hanging by a thread now.
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This team is a mess.
Here is hoping that Duke wins the national championship. Coach K retires and Duke hires Wojo.
There is no way in hell Duke (or anyone else) turns its basketball program over to Wojo.
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This is the type of game that makes you lose faith that things are heading in the right direction.
YUP.
Looks like a coach that has lost his team. They're not responding to anything.
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The scout is out on this team. No adjustments to be made.
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This team lacks intensity and a veteran defensive coach on the bench! Another post season lost!
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Honestly, I think Wojo has the team, but he is OVER coaching. When Wojo says "drive it inside" we totally give up on the three point shot. As the announcers said they were running Wojo's plays and not paying attention to what the defense was doing.
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Hauser and Howard have really hit a freshman wall too. Takes away a lot of our scoring options...
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This team is a mess.
Here is hoping that Duke wins the national championship. Coach K retires and Duke hires Wojo.
Wojo does not deserve, nor will he get that job. Looks like mu will give him another extension based on his awesome performance.
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There is no way in hell Duke (or anyone else) turns its basketball program over to Wojo.
One can PRAY.........PRAY..........PRAY
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Hauser and Howard have really hit a freshman wall too. Takes away a lot of our scoring options...
Looks like Cheatham has hit the sophisticated wall.
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Honestly, I think Wojo has the team, but he is OVER coaching. When Wojo says "drive it inside" we totally give up on the three point shot. As the announcers said they were running Wojo's plays and not paying attention to what the defense was doing.
Hah. Agreed - I actually got tired of all our pointless driving.
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Honestly, I think Wojo has the team, but he is OVER coaching. When Wojo says "drive it inside" we totally give up on the three point shot. As the announcers said they were running Wojo's plays and not paying attention to what the defense was doing.
Yep
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Looks like Cheatham has hit the sophisticated wall.
He, like the rest of the team, is completely one-dimensional. While Howard and Hauser can't create their own shot, play zero defense and can only hit a wide-open 3, Haanif can only drive to his left and cannot shoot from outside two feet.
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First time I can remember, I had to shut it off. 5 min. and some odd left. Could not watch this pathetic performance any more. I've got to say, today and the "effort" at St. John's on 2/1 are among the worst I can recall. This team is so soft. The frosh have fallen off a cliff. "In-game adjustments" are nonexistent. Zone, man, makes no difference - the School for the Blind could score in the 80's against us.
Trying to respect the process, but to call this progress is a reach. I hope the incoming frosh are beasts! This season is gone. I don't even want to see this group in the NIT. Lock the locker room, give 'em white T-shirts, whatever.
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Wojo does not deserve, nor will he get that job. Looks like mu will give him another extension based on his awesome performance.
At this point, I'm not sure many ADs would think he deserves a head coaching job in a power conference. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, coaches need to cut their in a mid major before big time programs take a shot on them.
Sure, being around a legend like Coach K is a nice line on the resume, but it seems clear that the jump from assistant to head coach has been a bigger struggle than anyone anticipated. He (and we) would have been better served to have coached a Davidson or Richmond for a few years and then move on to a power conference program.
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Well, I guess we have to put up with Wojo for another year. Will the posters who refuse to see Wojo has no chops (and never will) be willing to cut this train wreck after 4 years so those of us who see the obvious don't have to suffer through year 5 and get this rebuild started?
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First time I can remember, I had to shut it off. 5 min. and some odd left. Could not watch this pathetic performance any more. I've got to say, today and the "effort" at St. John's on 2/1 are among the worst I can recall. This team is so soft. The frosh have fallen off a cliff. "In-game adjustments" are nonexistent. Zone, man, makes no difference - the School for the Blind could score in the 80's against us.
Trying to respect the process, but to call this progress is a reach. I hope the incoming frosh are beasts! This season is gone. I don't even want to see this group in the NIT. Lock the locker room, give 'em white T-shirts, whatever.
Me too, i shut it off it's to frustrating
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At this point, I'm not sure many ADs would think he deserves a head coaching job in a power conference. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, coaches need to cut their in a mid major before big time programs take a shot on them.
Sure, being around a legend like Coach K is a nice line on the resume, but it seems clear that the jump from assistant to head coach has been a bigger struggle than anyone anticipated. He (and we) would have been better served to have coached a Davidson or Richmond for a few years and then move on to a power conference program.
Some college basketball writer posted something yesterday saying that only 8 of the head coaches in the "Power 6" basketball conferences got their current job directly from being an assistant.
The only two that did not have a prior connection to their program were Chris Collins and Wojo. Everyone else was either promoted (Gard, Boeheim, Mack, Holtmann, Izzo) or a rehire (Leitao).
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What is our record in games where Luke Fischer misses an uncontested dunk?
That play gave a pretty good indication of how this game was going to go.
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Some college basketball writer posted something yesterday saying that only 8 of the head coaches in the "Power 6" basketball conferences got their current job directly from being an assistant.
That is definitely not a group I want to be in. There's a reason why 90% of the programs have taken a different route. I have to think the administration sticks with Wojo next year, but if we struggle this much again, it's time to cut bait. There are plenty of coaches out there consistently putting together 20 win seasons at smaller schools, and that's who we need to be looking at next.
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This is a fun team to watch when they feel like playing. Just don't understand why we can't bring it every time we take the court. Maddening.
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Some college basketball writer posted something yesterday saying that only 8 of the head coaches in the "Power 6" basketball conferences got their current job directly from being an assistant.
The only two that did not have a prior connection to their program were Chris Collins and Wojo. Everyone else was either promoted (Gard, Boeheim, Mack, Holtmann, Izzo) or a rehire (Leitao).
Not to be a dick, but if you're promoted aren't you getting a job as a result of being an assistant?
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I blame MU administration. They pay big bucks for untested nobody coaches aka Cream, Buzzard and now Wojo. It is amazing we have done as well as we have given our guess, hope and praying concept to hiring head coaches. How about we hire someone with head coaching experience with a proven record? We were lucky 2 out of 3 times which is very fortunate. No corporation would put an untested manager in to fill a CEO position but MU does. Time they are held accountable.
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Second time around the league and MU has been scouted. When JTIII out game preps you, you have significant work to do
A week off to self-scout How well does the coaching staff and team respond? Two sleepwalkers in a row...a third would be telling as to the state of the program.
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This is a fun team to watch when they feel like playing. Just don't understand why we can't bring it every time we take the court. Maddening.
The blame is on the coach not the players. It is the coach's responsibility for his team to be prepared and to bring it every time. That Wojo struggles with in-game adjustments makes it that much tougher for this team to perform consistently.
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Not to be a dick, but if you're promoted aren't you getting a job as a result of being an assistant?
You're right there. But the point is that the vast majority of head coaches in power conferences have head coaching experience. That only 6 got the job as a promotion shows you how rare it is to even get promoted to HC within your own program. I'm still confused as to why MU thought it made sense to buck the trend.
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The scout is out on this team. Wojo has No idea what adjustments need to be made.
Fify
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What adjustments do you see?
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Not to be a dick, but if you're promoted aren't you getting a job as a result of being an assistant?
Yeah but my point is that 5 of the 8 were simply promoted from within. They were known quantities and knew the program.
To be fair, the three most successful post-Al coaches were assistants before getting the MU job. (Buzz, Crean, O'Neill). Two of them didn't have any connection to the program before being hired. It is a formula that has worked for them in the past.
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Looks like Cheatham has hit the sophisticated wall.
Yes indeed. In last 6 games, he only had one good one and the others have been just terrible. If you look at his BE game stats, they are on the verge of a Sandy Cohen collapse, this from a kid who had a sensational freshman season. Very surprising, but like others have stated, maybe he is one dimensional and teams are on to him, but his turnovers have been just brutal.
Let the recruiting over him conversation commence...........
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I'm still confused as to why MU thought it made sense to buck the trend.
Because it has worked for them before. Hiring mid major coaches hasn't.
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The blame is on the coach not the players. It is the coach's responsibility for his team to be prepared and to bring it every time. That Wojo struggles with in-game adjustments makes it that much tougher for this team to perform consistently.
You just have do wonder if Wojo didn't also start thinking about his name on K's chair after beating 'Nova. The lack of preparation over these past 5 is astounding. What's so concerning is that after we drop close games at home, we go on the road and get blown out against bottom half competition. Brutal.
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What adjustments do you see?
I'll admit I don't know, but I'm also not the head MU basketball coach. I can definitively say this team isn't playing to its potential though. And I think we can all definitively say that coaching plays a big role in that. I've not seen anything from Wojo's teams that have inspired hope in me that he's a long term solution. This year is more of the same. This goes so beyond simple talent deficiencies. His teams aren't tough. His teams aren't aggressive. His teams don't fight. His teams are the antithesis of the MU brand
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I'll admit I don't know, but I'm also not the head MU basketball coach. I can definitively say this team isn't playing to its potential though. And I think we can all definitively say that coaching plays a big role in that. I've not seen anything from Wojo's teams that have inspired hope in me that he's a long term solution. This year is more of the same. This goes so beyond simple talent deficiencies. His teams aren't tough. His teams aren't aggressive. His teams don't fight. His teams are the antithesis of the MU brand
It's right there for everybody to see if they choose to see it, the program is a train wreck.
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This goes so beyond simple talent deficiencies. His teams aren't tough. His teams aren't aggressive. His teams don't fight. His teams are the antithesis of the MU brand
Preach.
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I'll admit I don't know, but I'm also not the head MU basketball coach. I can definitively say this team isn't playing to its potential though. And I think we can all definitively say that coaching plays a big role in that. I've not seen anything from Wojo's teams that have inspired hope in me that he's a long term solution. This year is more of the same. This goes so beyond simple talent deficiencies. His teams aren't tough. His teams aren't aggressive. His teams don't fight. His teams are the antithesis of the MU brand
The strange thing is that in following Wojo the player, this team is the complete opposite of what you would expect. Fiery, gritty, all out hustle, determination, great defender. You don't see any of that out of them.
When you watch successful programs and coaches, the players take on the coaches philosophy and personality. I really don't see anything out of this team.
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The strange thing is that in following Wojo the player, this team is the complete opposite of what you would expect. Fiery, gritty, all out hustle, determination, great defender. You don't see any of that out of them.
I don't think it's that strange. Coaches who have a natural innate ability may not understand how to coach that ability.
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He, like the rest of the team, is completely one-dimensional. While Howard and Hauser can't create their own shot, play zero defense and can only hit a wide-open 3, Haanif can only drive to his left and cannot shoot from outside two feet.
Time to shake it up. DW deserves a start over HC.
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Staying positive, still a shot. I'll be happy if we can squeak in and call it a successful season. GTown just out muscled us and played with purpose. The team just doesn't have the necessary DNA to compete as a small lineup defensively. It can be done (2009 and lots of other years), just don't think it's in these guys. Offense is clicking or it's lights out. Per the comment above, I think it takes a special coach and players with the right chips on their shoulders to get that Wojo the player tenacity. Creating it for an entire team is even more of a task.
A week to figure it out. Big week for Wojo. Going to be 18k+ on Saturday night. They better bring it or else more important people will be complaining.
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Because it has worked for them before. Hiring mid major coaches hasn't.
I don't think Dukiet (St. Peter's) and Deane (Sienna) were from what would even be considered mid-majors. More like small-time colleges in low-level conferences. Instead of settling for a rookie head coach and hoping to get lucky, I'd like to see us recruit a successful coach from a real mid-major.
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I don't think Dukiet (St. Peter's) and Deane (Sienna) were from what would even be considered mid-majors. More like small-time colleges in low-level conferences. Instead of settling for a rookie head coach and hoping to get lucky, I'd like to see us recruit a successful coach from a real mid-major.
That's fair.
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I'll admit I don't know, but I'm also not the head MU basketball coach. I can definitively say this team isn't playing to its potential though. And I think we can all definitively say that coaching plays a big role in that. I've not seen anything from Wojo's teams that have inspired hope in me that he's a long term solution. This year is more of the same. This goes so beyond simple talent deficiencies. His teams aren't tough. His teams aren't aggressive. His teams don't fight. His teams are the antithesis of the MU brand
This is a shoot first, defensively soft team. It is easy to be critical, particularly after a game like today, but I do not see any options.
Luke is not getting quicker.
JjJ is not getting smarter.
Markus and Andrew aren't growing.
Sam isn't getting stronger until the off-season.
The only two things that can realistically change is for Duane to play every minute like he did in the second half today and for HC to find his confidence.
This year, the only hope is to outshoot the opponent. And the other coaches know it and are staying put on the arc.
I'm not pleased, but I don't see options
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I don't think Dukiet (St. Peter's) and Deane (Sienna) were from what would even be considered mid-majors. More like small-time colleges in low-level conferences. Instead of settling for a rookie head coach and hoping to get lucky, I'd like to see us recruit a successful coach from a real mid-major.
What's a real mid-major?
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Start Duane over jj. Duane and hc will be here next year. JJ will not.
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This is a shoot first, defensively soft team. It is easy to be critical, particularly after a game like today, but I do not see any options.
Luke is not getting quicker.
JjJ is not getting smarter.
Markus and Andrew aren't growing.
Sam isn't getting stronger until the off-season.
The only two things that can realistically change is for Duane to play every minute like he did in the second half today and for HC to find his confidence.
This year, the only hope is to outshoot the opponent. And the other coaches know it and are staying put on the arc.
I'm not pleased, but I don't see options
I agree it's easy to point to the glaring deficiencies and conclude there's nothing a coach can do, but do you believe coaching doesn't contribute to this product? I just don't believe that. Why is the team defensively soft for example?
I honestly believe there are other coaches that given this same roster would have this team playing much better
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What's a real mid-major?
Here you go:
http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2016/11/07/top-10-mid-major-college-basketball-teams-cinderella/93255230/
Interesting that Gonzaga is a mid-major. Small Jesuit school in a less than major, power conference.
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How many coaches succeed with a small team full of defensively challenged chuckers? I've suggested full Loyola Marymount, but I am pretty sure the big East coaches will crush that.
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Pathetic is good word to describe a lot of the recent games ... the players, the coach, et al.
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How many coaches succeed with a small team full of defensively challenged chuckers? I've suggested full Loyola Marymount, but I am pretty sure the big East coaches will crush that.
i don't know, maybe not many but that is the roster that wojo has created.
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Here you go:
http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2016/11/07/top-10-mid-major-college-basketball-teams-cinderella/93255230/
Interesting that Gonzaga is a mid-major. Small Jesuit school in a less than major, power conference.
How many of those coaches would you want at MU?
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400919716
Read it and weep.
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Honestly, I think Wojo has the team, but he is OVER coaching. When Wojo says "drive it inside" we totally give up on the three point shot. As the announcers said they were running Wojo's plays and not paying attention to what the defense was doing.
This and the comments early in the year about our defense falling apart in the second half because the coaches couldn't yell out instructions. It worries me we need that level of help from the bench to play decent defense.
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What's a real mid-major?
VCU is a real mid-major. And Texas "stole" the coach we at Marquette HAD to have.
Said coach has "led" the Longhorns to a 10-14 record. And as I write this, they are about a half-hour from falling to 10-15.
This will be my last comment of the weekend. At least 50% of those posting today were nowhere to be found when we were beating Creighton and Nova. They only like coming to Scoop when they can beyotch and whine and moan. Fire Wojo; Luke sucks; get rid of all the seniors; we're doomed for years; blah blah effen blah.
What a sad way to live.
Have a nice weekend, everybody!
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VCU is a real mid-major. And Texas "stole" the coach we at Marquette HAD to have.
Said coach has "led" the Longhorns to a 10-14 record. And as I write this, they are about a half-hour from falling to 10-15.
This will be my last comment of the weekend. At least 50% of those posting today were nowhere to be found when we were beating Creighton and Nova. They only like coming to Scoop when they can beyotch and whine and moan. Fire Wojo; Luke sucks; get rid of all the seniors; we're doomed for years; blah blah effen blah.
What a sad way to live.
Have a nice weekend, everybody!
82, sometimes I have a total man-crush on you.
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Honestly, I think Wojo has the team, but he is OVER coaching. When Wojo says "drive it inside" we totally give up on the three point shot. As the announcers said they were running Wojo's plays and not paying attention to what the defense was doing.
To attempt to be somewhat constructive...
I noticed this as well, especially after the announcers said it. They players on the floor are making their cuts, getting to their spots, making the passes they are supposed to make... then when the play is complete, someone is holding the ball and looking around like "what now?"
It seems odd. They aren't looking to exploit the defense if there's a gap or hesitation in the middle of the play. If they get to the end of the set and there's no open shot, they look confused.
For the coaches/players out there, is this common? Is this too reliant on the play calls? Is this low bball IQ? Is this inexperience?
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A lot of you can't tell it like it is. And since a lot of people can't take any criticism without being triggered, you will get all angry. We are not a good team. Period. Sorry. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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I've said it before but Chicos and others hinted that he was 'never considered': I think Gregg Marshall would do wonders at MU. While a complete pretty boy, the dude is an absolute winner and would bring us right back into national relevance IMO.
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I've said it before but Chicos and others hinted that he was 'never considered': I think Gregg Marshall would do wonders at MU. While a complete pretty boy, the dude is an absolute winner and would bring us right back into national relevance IMO.
That was my top choice when wojo was hired
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I've said it before but Chicos and others hinted that he was 'never considered': I think Gregg Marshall would do wonders at MU. While a complete pretty boy, the dude is an absolute winner and would bring us right back into national relevance IMO.
Chico hinted at a lot of things, many of which were only voices in his own head.
No idea whether we considered Marshall but I'm not sure he'd consider us.
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Forget about Marshall - when did a former Belmont Abbey coach ever accomplish anything?
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VCU is a real mid-major. And Texas "stole" the coach we at Marquette HAD to have.
Said coach has "led" the Longhorns to a 10-14 record. And as I write this, they are about a half-hour from falling to 10-15.
This will be my last comment of the weekend. At least 50% of those posting today were nowhere to be found when we were beating Creighton and Nova. They only like coming to Scoop when they can beyotch and whine and moan. Fire Wojo; Luke sucks; get rid of all the seniors; we're doomed for years; blah blah effen blah.
What a sad way to live.
Have a nice weekend, everybody!
Beautiful.
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A lot of you can't tell it like it is. And since a lot of people can't take any criticism without being triggered, you will get all angry. We are not a good team. Period. Sorry. Facts don't care about your feelings.
And you don't care about facts, only trolling.
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And you don't care about facts, only trolling.
False. I listed a fact: "we are not a good team." And we are not. Since we are not, it is a fact.
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False. I listed a fact: "we are not a good team." And we are not. Since we are not, it is a fact.
You know that's, like, not really a fact though?
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You know that's, like, not really a fact though?
Yes you are correct. My mistake, it was a subjective statement up for interpretiation...but, looking at it from the point of view of having an understanding of what a good team is, I would argue that we are not a good team. Based on record, we are a winning team, but not a good one.
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False. I listed a fact: "we are not a good team." And we are not. Since we are not, it is a fact.
That is an opinion. It would be an opinion if we were 15-10, 10-15, 25-0, or 0-25.
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That is an opinion. It would be an opinion if we were 15-10, 10-15, 25-0, or 0-25.
I agree with you. I live in the real world, however. Sorry bout it.
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Xavier is down and out. Got blown out at home while Bluiett reinjured his ankle today. 18,000 in the seats. A week to regroup, some time for the freshmen to scale that wall, and a chance for this coaching staff to test their mettle. I am optimistic.
My expectations are where they were preseason: 9-9 in the Big East and wishing to be on the bubble. We all knew this team preseason was a bunch of misfit toys. That rebounding with Henry gone without a replacement would be an issue. This is an urban league and you need athletes to compete, which are not on this roster. That this team was going to win games by only shooting lights out, which they have, and they have exceeded my expectations. Win by the shot, lose by the shot.
On the down side, I was expecting average defense, not the worst MU defense in my lifetime. My critique preseason still stands: That Wojo has wasted time and resources (with open holes) by not getting his guys in here from the get go. It shows here deeply as the season plays out. Losing the last two games was not the disappointment, but losing them with that effort was.
One week for the litmus test to prove this team and coaching staff can break through the proverbial wall here. Xavier is a vulnerable opponent. I am feeling a victory here to propel MU to the end of the season. Get the line up on the floor that gives you the best chance to win today. Make a statement to you and your fans.
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VCU is a real mid-major. And Texas "stole" the coach we at Marquette HAD to have.
Said coach has "led" the Longhorns to a 10-14 record. And as I write this, they are about a half-hour from falling to 10-15.
This will be my last comment of the weekend. At least 50% of those posting today were nowhere to be found when we were beating Creighton and Nova. They only like coming to Scoop when they can beyotch and whine and moan. Fire Wojo; Luke sucks; get rid of all the seniors; we're doomed for years; blah blah effen blah.
What a sad way to live.
Have a nice weekend, everybody!
82--I've said it before but your obsession with Shaka is very impressive. I don't quite understand it but it certainly is relentless.
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I blame MU administration. They pay big bucks for untested nobody coaches aka Cream, Buzzard and now Wojo. It is amazing we have done as well as we have given our guess, hope and praying concept to hiring head coaches. How about we hire someone with head coaching experience with a proven record? We were lucky 2 out of 3 times which is very fortunate. No corporation would put an untested manager in to fill a CEO position but MU does. Time they are held accountable.
Who did you want hired? We struck out on Smart. Howland has too many skeletons. Cuonzo could have been better but he's done about the same as Wojo with a better starting position. I'm just not seeing anyone who was an obviously better hire.
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A lot of you can't tell it like it is. And since a lot of people can't take any criticism without being triggered, you will get all angry. We are not a good team. Period. Sorry. Facts don't care about your feelings.
So is KenPom an idiot? He has as a top 45 team. Not great but pretty solid.
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I've said it before but Chicos and others hinted that he was 'never considered': I think Gregg Marshall would do wonders at MU. While a complete pretty boy, the dude is an absolute winner and would bring us right back into national relevance IMO.
Have heard from several people that Marshall has a pretty terrible reputation as a human being. He's not still at Wichita State because he loves the view of the cornfields from his window.
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I think the good Dr. makes a great point. Our record right now cannot be that far from any reasonable preseason expectations. The Creighton and Villanova games raised those expectations so the drop seems more precipitous than it actually is compared to preseason expectations. We are tied for fifth in the league and the Big East is going to get at least 5 bids so we still control our own destiny. Of course getting our butts kicked by the Hoyas and the Johnnies was no fun and trending down as the season comes to a close is concerning. But Brew has been persistent about the bubble being soft and from everything I can see he remains correct. It's now up to Wojo and the boys to turn this around in a week. Let's keep it positive and see how they do.
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Woof. Swept in all four factors this game.
eFG%
MU 44.5%
GT 59.3%
TO%
MU 15.8%
GT 13.5%
OR%
MU 16.2%
GT 26.7%
FTR
MU 36.4%
GT 46.3%
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Let's take this next week serious. Huge game, hope we can turn the season around
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Let's take this next week serious. Huge game, hope we can turn the season around
Pretty sure it's not us that needs to take it serious.
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So is KenPom an idiot? He has as a top 45 team. Not great but pretty solid.
I see Marquette's RPI is now at 84. It makes me curious if there are other teams with around 40 spot differentials between the two. Interesting nonetheless.
Start Duane over jj. Duane and hc will be here next year. JJ will not.
I sure hope so
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Pretty sure it's not us that needs to take it serious.
Lock it up brew, need to focus on X or coach is going to take our Samsungs and give us BlackBerrys.
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VCU is a real mid-major. And Texas "stole" the coach we at Marquette HAD to have.
Said coach has "led" the Longhorns to a 10-14 record. And as I write this, they are about a half-hour from falling to 10-15.
This will be my last comment of the weekend. At least 50% of those posting today were nowhere to be found when we were beating Creighton and Nova. They only like coming to Scoop when they can beyotch and whine and moan. Fire Wojo; Luke sucks; get rid of all the seniors; we're doomed for years; blah blah effen blah.
What a sad way to live.
Have a nice weekend, everybody!
It's not apples to apples. If he had come to Marquette he would have access to Marquette resources, be at a non-football school, be in Milwaukee (i.e., closer to Chicago) vs Austin, etc.
Maybe Shaka is a terrible coach and he was merely lucky all of those years at VCU. The fact that he has yet to accomplish anything at Texas is at least some evidence that he is overrated as a coach. Nevertheless, I don't think his underwhelming performance at Texas is as strong of evidence that he is an overrated coach as you seem to think.
Simply put, you are taking Texas's performance as the counterfactual path that MU would be on.
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It's not apples to apples. If he had come to Marquette he would have access to Marquette resources, be at a non-football school, be in Milwaukee (i.e., closer to Chicago) vs Austin, etc.
Maybe Shaka is a terrible coach and he was merely lucky all of those years at VCU. The fact that he has yet to accomplish anything at Texas is at least some evidence that he is overrated as a coach. Nevertheless, I don't think his underwhelming performance at Texas is as strong of evidence that he is an overrated coach as you seem to think.
Simply put, you are taking Texas's performance as the counterfactual path that MU would be on.
Texas' resources make Marquette's look dinky. And the state of Texas has plenty of basketball talent.
I agree with your overall point, but these two issue are simply not factors.
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Xavier is down and out. Got blown out at home while Bluiett reinjured his ankle today. 18,000 in the seats. A week to regroup, some time for the freshmen to scale that wall, and a chance for this coaching staff to test their mettle. I am optimistic.
My expectations are where they were preseason: 9-9 in the Big East and wishing to be on the bubble. We all knew this team preseason was a bunch of misfit toys. That rebounding with Henry gone without a replacement would be an issue. This is an urban league and you need athletes to compete, which are not on this roster. That this team was going to win games by only shooting lights out, which they have, and they have exceeded my expectations. Win by the shot, lose by the shot.
On the down side, I was expecting average defense, not the worst MU defense in my lifetime. My critique preseason still stands: That Wojo has wasted time and resources (with open holes) by not getting his guys in here from the get go. It shows here deeply as the season plays out. Losing the last two games was not the disappointment, but losing them with that effort was.
One week for the litmus test to prove this team and coaching staff can break through the proverbial wall here. Xavier is a vulnerable opponent. I am feeling a victory here to propel MU to the end of the season. Get the line up on the floor that gives you the best chance to win today. Make a statement to you and your fans.
This pretty much sums it up... Hoping they find something this week.
Recruiting wise, wouldn't change much, would have been nice to figure out the Cohen and Carter transfers earlier and take some more specialized/defensive projects. Cohen and Carter weren't great offensive players, but you could argue they would have been the 2 best defenders at their positions. Honestly think Carter may have gotten about equal playing time as the season shook out.
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I see Marquette's RPI is now at 84. It makes me curious if there are other teams with around 40 spot differentials between the two. Interesting nonetheless.
I sure hope so
Of course. They are very different measurements. RPI is barbaric and stupid, and attempts to rank based on what has happened, period. KenPom is a predictive ranking system.
I just ran the numbers quickly... of 351 teams, 49 of them have a difference of 40 or more between RPI and KenPom. So, yeah, not unusual.
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Texas' resources make Marquette's look dinky. And the state of Texas has plenty of basketball talent.
I agree with your overall point, but these two issue are simply not factors.
If you mean the total resources, then yes of course. I was referring to the resources available for the basketball program. A long time ago, I remember that MU was number 2 in the nation (second only to Duke) in spending on basketball (though I don't remember the exact measure).
In other words, in absolute numbers, I bet MU spends more on its BB program than Texas spends on its bball program.
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Texas' resources make Marquette's look dinky. And the state of Texas has plenty of basketball talent.
I agree with your overall point, but these two issue are simply not factors.
This is true (sup, JFB). But all else equal I think I'd rather have Milwaukee plus a six-hour radius than Austin plus a six-hour radius with regards to bball recruiting
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If you mean the total resources, then yes of course. I was referring to the resources available for the basketball program. A long time ago, I remember that MU was number 2 in the nation (second only to Duke) in spending on basketball (though I don't remember the exact measure).
In other words, in absolute numbers, I bet MU spends more on its BB program than Texas spends on its bball program.
Made up numbers with inconsistent allocation methods. In other words, what you read was nonsense.
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If you mean the total resources, then yes of course. I was referring to the resources available for the basketball program. A long time ago, I remember that MU was number 2 in the nation (second only to Duke) in spending on basketball (though I don't remember the exact measure).
In other words, in absolute numbers, I bet MU spends more on its BB program than Texas spends on its bball program.
Please stop trotting out the #2 in the nation figure. Yes Marquette spends money on hoops. But Jaybee is right. It isn't an apples to apples comparison.
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Made up numbers with inconsistent allocation methods. In other words, what you read was nonsense.
My guess is the reason for those numbers is because of things that we spend money on specifically for basketball that other programs have as by-products of larger athletic programs. So the new state of the art workout facility at Marquette is considered a basketball expenditure, at Texas it's a football expenditure (but still used by the basketball program).