Watching the game last night I couldn't help but think that Sam Hauser needs to be studying Andrew Chrabascz's game. Sam is a much better outside shooter but they're both about the same size, limited athletically and not great ball-handlers. Chrabascz knows and recognizes his limitations, plays within them and plays smart. He knew that he could take Fischer off the dribble and so he did so repeatedly late in the game. Putting the ball on the court is definitely not one of Hauser's strengths but he has done it occasionally in BE play, with admittedly mixed results. Chrabascz also has some old man game in the post. He's a below the rim player who works angles and leverage to get buckets. It'd be nice to see Hauser add some of this to his game as well. With long athletic recruits coming in next season, Sam could be seeing more time matched up with smaller, quicker players. It'd be an amazing weapon if he had the ability to take them into the post for some efficient shots.
Hauser is never going to be a slasher or a pure post player but adding some inside game and the ability to drive occasionally would make him, and MU, that much more dangerous offensively.
Thoughts?
Well clearly Chrabascz is black since our white kids couldn't stay in front of him.
I'm hoping Hauser will study up on McDermott. Obviously, he'll never be as good as McDermott was, but very similar games.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 08, 2017, 09:07:33 AM
I'm hoping Hauser will study up on McDermott. Obviously, he'll never be as good as McDermott was, but very similar games.
How do you know this? Hauser is just a freshman has tons of time to improve
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on February 08, 2017, 09:25:51 AM
How do you know this? Hauser is just a freshman has tons of time to improve
Doug McDermott is one of the best college players ever to play the game. He averaged 15 and 7 as a freshman, 23 and 8 as a sophomore, 23 and 8 as a junior, and 27 and 7 on his way to NPOY as a senior. Don't mean any offense to Sam, but he's not that guy.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 08, 2017, 09:38:45 AM
Doug McDermott is one of the best college players ever to play the game. He averaged 15 and 7 as a freshman, 23 and 8 as a sophomore, 23 and 8 as a junior, and 27 and 7 on his way to NPOY as a senior. Don't mean any offense to Sam, but he's not that guy.
alright
Quote from: wadesworld on February 08, 2017, 09:07:33 AM
I'm hoping Hauser will study up on McDermott. Obviously, he'll never be as good as McDermott was, but very similar games.
That's setting the bar pretty high and Creighton's offense was entirely built around McDermott but I get what you mean. In the end, Hauser needs to become more than just a spot-up shooter and he has a high bball IQ and seems very coachable. If he can add a few pieces to his game, he'll be a match-up nightmare as an upperclassman.
Chrabascz is one is my favorite players in the league. He may not have flashy stats, but he's smart, has great instincts, and makes plays that help his team win. I'd love to see Sam channel that, though I think McDermott is another viable role model for him.
I have high expectations for Hauser. He is a very good player for his age and experience and his work ethic is great too.
Saying that, I think Katin should be starting in place of him right now.
Chrabascz is one of those guys that MU hasn't had. A skilled, widebody 4 who can actually move. MU simply has no one who can match up with his skill set and defend him. Luke is no good in space and everybody else is too small/skinny. Going into the season, anybody paying attention knew that MU was going to struggle against Big East 4's. And voila, MU has no answer for a Big East 4.
Hard to guard him when no one is within 10 feet of him when he catches the ball. One simple pump fake and the slow footed Chrabascz blew by Hauser and Luke late in the game. Doesn't help that our guards can't keep their players in front of them. Again that is on the coaching staff and the lack of coaching defensive technique and proper tactics.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2017, 10:45:57 AM
Chrabascz is one of those guys that MU hasn't had. A skilled, widebody 4 who can actually move. MU simply has no one who can match up with his skill set and defend him. Luke is no good in space and everybody else is too small/skinny. Going into the season, anybody paying attention knew that MU was going to struggle against Big East 4's. And voila, MU has no answer for a Big East 4.
I find Chrabascz baffling to watch. He looks so slow, gangly and uncoordinated. His shot is just plain ugly at times. But he was very successful against us last night.
Quote from: mufanatic on February 08, 2017, 10:53:26 AM
Hard to guard him when no one is within 10 feet of him when he catches the ball. One simple pump fake and the slow footed Chrabascz blew by Hauser and Luke late in the game. Doesn't help that our guards can't keep their players in front of them. Again that is on the coaching staff and the lack of coaching defensive technique and proper tactics.
Yeah that was bad. You're so far off the guy, why are you closing so hard? Super easy for a relatively skilled offensive player to use your momentum against you at that point. And he's more than relatively skilled.
I'd hope Hauser would be more consistent (and he will be by middle of next season, much less his Senior season like AC is in). Chrabasczczczczczczccz can just as easily give you a 3-13 night with six points as he can a 5-7 night for 13 points. He's a yo-yo player.
MU couldn't handle him being up at the same time Woodson had a career game. Either one of those things in isolation and MU wins. Both together and it was just enough for Butler to scrape a win.
He looks quicker because our defense is constantly on help/scramble mode. We get beat off the dribble so easily, that our guys seem to always be sprinting to recover and get a hand in the face of an open shooter. A quick pump fake or dribble and an already out of position is in even worse shape.
I think Sam plays within himself and is a very high bball IQ player. He is one of our leaders in offensive efficiency but has one of the lower usages. He knows his role and plays it very well. I think a full offseason will help him perfect his game even more. He's been one of the most pleasant surprises of the season.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 08, 2017, 08:53:30 AM
Watching the game last night I couldn't help but think that Sam Hauser needs to be studying Andrew Chrabascz's game.
Sam should be studying his defense. He went around, through, and past Sam with ease last night.
I think Sam will become a better defensive player over time - he is smart and a hard worker - but I would much rather see him improve on that end of the floor.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 08, 2017, 10:14:42 AM
That's setting the bar pretty high and Creighton's offense was entirely built around McDermott but I get what you mean. In the end, Hauser needs to become more than just a spot-up shooter and he has a high bball IQ and seems very coachable. If he can add a few pieces to his game, he'll be a match-up nightmare as an upperclassman.
No doubt. He will never be McDermott, and most likely won't even be our best player in any year he's here. But in terms of style of play I think he's very similar to McDermott. Not a great ball handler, but good enough that he can use it when a defender is flying at him because of his ability to shoot. Great footwork, great movement off the ball, and good decision making. I think Sam already does these things very well. I think he should use this offseason to work on "hunting" his shot more. He has shown the ability to back a smaller defender down into the mid range and shoot over the top of him, move off the ball for a layup on a back door cut, and obviously shoot it from range. He just doesn't do any of them other than the shoot from range with any sort of frequency. I think he's, by a pretty wide margin, our "smartest" player in terms of understanding what is a good shot, when is a good time to push the pace and when is a good time to back the ball out and run an offense, when to get the ball to the hot hand, etc. McDermott had all those things.
Quote from: brandx on February 08, 2017, 01:49:30 PM
Sam should be studying his defense. He went around, through, and past Sam with ease last night.
I think Sam will become a better defensive player over time - he is smart and a hard worker - but I would much rather see him improve on that end of the floor.
Last night was the first game where I thought Sam was a liability on the defensive end. Until last night my biggest complaint about his defense was he tries to take charges but doesn't fully commit to them and gives up and 1s as a result quite a bit. Otherwise, sure he's given up some points at times, but for the most part he's been solid, not great.
It all goes back to not having a 4 in the system. Sam done as best as he can as an undersized 4. I am pretty sure that is going to be his position most of his career
at MU as he is no where near quick enough to guard a 3. Gains 20 pounds of muscle and he will be a challenge for other teams to guard him at the 4. Right now to
skinny.
Sam is a very good shooter, but he cannot create his own shot. You barely see him drive to the basket and if he does, he usually passes it back out. He is fine at getting rebounds, but his defense requires some work.
It is what it is. Sam open, they pass it to him, he shoots. Would not expect much more in short term.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 08, 2017, 01:57:07 PM
Last night was the first game where I thought Sam was a liability on the defensive end. Until last night my biggest complaint about his defense was he tries to take charges but doesn't fully commit to them and gives up and 1s as a result quite a bit. Otherwise, sure he's given up some points at times, but for the most part he's been solid, not great.
Was going to say the same thing. +1
Quote from: HoopsterBC on February 08, 2017, 02:04:55 PM
It all goes back to not having a 4 in the system. Sam done as best as he can as an undersized 4. I am pretty sure that is going to be his position most of his career
at MU as he is no where near quick enough to guard a 3. Gains 20 pounds of muscle and he will be a challenge for other teams to guard him at the 4. Right now to
skinny.
Good thing we have 2 athletic 4s and an athletic switchable who can guard a 4 coming in next season.
Quote from: Marcus92 on February 08, 2017, 10:56:23 AM
I find Chrabascz baffling to watch. He looks so slow, gangly and uncoordinated. His shot is just plain ugly at times. But he was very successful against us last night.
Speaking of slow, Hauser is no speed demon either. If Hauser and Crabass competed in the 40, the turtle might win. Crabass has made us look bad several times.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on February 08, 2017, 09:25:51 AM
How do you know this? Hauser is just a freshman has tons of time to improve
Said like a true freshman.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 08, 2017, 02:57:54 PM
Good thing we have 2 athletic 4s and an athletic switchable who can guard a 4 coming in next season.
That is soooo big. Sam will be able to move out to his natural position.
Quote from: brandx on February 08, 2017, 08:21:07 PM
That is soooo big. Sam will be able to move out to his natural position.
Not only that but Cheatham and Duane will no longer have to spend minutes at the three.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 08, 2017, 01:57:07 PM
Last night was the first game where I thought Sam was a liability on the defensive end. Until last night my biggest complaint about his defense was he tries to take charges but doesn't fully commit to them and gives up and 1s as a result quite a bit. Otherwise, sure he's given up some points at times, but for the most part he's been solid, not great.
This is so true, and I said as much to my wife as we were watching the game. I actually think Sam isn't a bad defensive player.
As for the Chrabascz-Hauser comparison some are trying to make ... in general, I don't think it's very valid except both are white. Sam is lean and plays very "upright." Chrabascz is stocky, with a low center of gravity. He is very good at using his butt and thighs to get excellent position and leverage. Chrabascz is closer to Davante than he is to Hauser.
I think the best way Sam could emulate Chrabascz is in terms of decision making. More often than not, when that comes, it just comes with experience.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 08, 2017, 10:47:22 PM
I think the best way Sam could emulate Chrabascz is in terms of decision making. More often than not, when that comes, it just comes with experience.
Sam is pretty much the only player on this team whose decision making I do not worry one bit about.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 08, 2017, 01:41:09 PM
I think Sam plays within himself and is a very high bball IQ player. He is one of our leaders in offensive efficiency but has one of the lower usages. He knows his role and plays it very well. I think a full offseason will help him perfect his game even more. He's been one of the most pleasant surprises of the season.
Right on. I love what thing Sam play. At times he seems to be the steadying influence on the court. He is an excellent athlete and very sound fundamentally. I see him getting better each year as a team leader.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on February 09, 2017, 12:37:23 PM
Right on. I love what thing Sam play. At times he seems to be the steadying influence on the court. He is an excellent athlete and very sound fundamentally. I see him getting better each year as a team leader.
Compared to who? Us? He is an average athlete in the realm of college basketball.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on February 09, 2017, 12:37:23 PM
Right on. I love what thing Sam play. At times he seems to be the steadying influence on the court. He is an excellent athlete and very sound fundamentally. I see him getting better each year as a team leader.
He is not that great athlete. Nothing on Sam he just isn't that great of an athlete.
Quote from: MU82 on February 08, 2017, 09:24:34 PM
This is so true, and I said as much to my wife as we were watching the game. I actually think Sam isn't a bad defensive player.
As for the Chrabascz-Hauser comparison some are trying to make ... in general, I don't think it's very valid except both are white. Sam is lean and plays very "upright." Chrabascz is stocky, with a low center of gravity. He is very good at using his butt and thighs to get excellent position and leverage. Chrabascz is closer to Davante than he is to Hauser.
I was thinking the exact same thing as he carved us up down the stretch. Like damn, just a crafty player who you totally underestimate but scores in infuriating ways that are at times indefensible
Quote from: wadesworld on February 08, 2017, 10:55:06 PM
Sam is pretty much the only player on this team whose decision making I do not worry one bit about.
He also rarely handles the ball, but agreed, he's never the one you point your finger at.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on February 09, 2017, 01:42:02 PM
He is not that great athlete. Nothing on Sam he just isn't that great of an athlete.
Respectfully disagree. As a basketball player, Sam is a gifted athlete. He is smooth, well coordinated, can jump, shoot, dribble and rebound, all above average and he is smart.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on February 09, 2017, 03:17:55 PM
Respectfully disagree. As a basketball player, Sam is a gifted athlete. He is smooth, well coordinated, can jump, shoot, dribble and rebound, all above average and he is smart.
Yes, he's all of those things...not a great athlete, however.
Quote from: Windyplayer on February 09, 2017, 03:36:11 PM
Yes, he's all of those things...not a great athlete, however.
One thing he forgot, he is not quick, slow to the ball off his feet. He will get stronger moving forward, might get quicker, not sure. Great athlete, not even close. Go
watch Jamal Cain, he is everything you want in a great athlete. Kobe King for the Badgers next year, Joey is not a great athlete either, but seems to be able to create
his own shot, it is high school. Sam really can not beat his man off the dribble yet.
Quote from: Windyplayer on February 09, 2017, 03:36:11 PM
Yes, he's all of those things...not a great athlete, however.
He has great fundamentals. Agree not an athletic player. But I'll take Sam over most athletic MU players not named Wade, Lee etc.
Very different players. Sam is far more skilled in areas like shooting, dribbling, rebounding
Not a good comp imo
Quote from: MU82 on February 08, 2017, 09:24:34 PM
This is so true, and I said as much to my wife as we were watching the game. I actually think Sam isn't a bad defensive player.
As for the Chrabascz-Hauser comparison some are trying to make ... in general, I don't think it's very valid except both are white. Sam is lean and plays very "upright." Chrabascz is stocky, with a low center of gravity. He is very good at using his butt and thighs to get excellent position and leverage. Chrabascz is closer to Davante than he is to Hauser.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 10, 2017, 07:28:31 AM
Very different players. Sam is far more skilled in areas like shooting, dribbling, rebounding
Not a good comp imo
You're missing the point. It's not a comparison. The original point was that Hauser is a spot-up shooter and offers little else offensively. Nearly 70% of his shots are 3s and he's only gotten to the FT line 25 times despite being an 80% FT shooter. He needs to add more to his offensive game and as a 6'7", 220ish-pound BE player with limited athleticism, he could add to his game by learning from the game of another 6'7", 220ish-pound BE player with limited athleticism. He could take advantage of match-ups to drive more or to do work in the post. As mentioned previously, Chrabascz has below the rim post moves where he uses angles and leverage to score (Yes, similar to Davante). This is an area where Hauser could improve. Chrabascz also took bigger, slower defenders to the perimeter and drove on them. That's another weapon that Hauser could add to his game.
Hauser's ceiling is much higher than Chrabascz's but they have similar builds and deficiencies. With Sam's size and IQ, he needs to be able to do more than just be a spot-up shooter, especially when he gets a favorable match-up.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 10, 2017, 08:42:37 AM
You're missing the point. It's not a comparison. The original point was that Hauser is a spot-up shooter and offers little else offensively. Nearly 70% of his shots are 3s and he's only gotten to the FT line 25 times despite being an 80% FT shooter. He needs to add more to his offensive game and as a 6'7", 220ish-pound BE player with limited athleticism, he could add to his game by learning from the game of another 6'7", 220ish-pound BE player with limited athleticism. He could take advantage of match-ups to drive more or to do work in the post. As mentioned previously, Chrabascz has below the rim post moves where he uses angles and leverage to score (Yes, similar to Davante). This is an area where Hauser could improve. Chrabascz also took bigger, slower defenders to the perimeter and drove on them. That's another weapon that Hauser could add to his game.
Hauser's ceiling is much higher than Chrabascz's but they have similar builds and deficiencies. With Sam's size and IQ, he needs to be able to do more than just be a spot-up shooter, especially when he gets a favorable match-up.
Disagree. Sam can dribble, he's playing a role this year. You'll see his game expand in the future
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 10, 2017, 11:27:58 AM
Disagree. Sam can dribble, he's playing a role this year. You'll see his game expand in the future
Yep, we mostly playing 4 on the perimeter so I'm sure coach wants him there except for rebounding or on the rare cases that we have used double post. Then there is the small rotation with Sam down below.
Sam hasn't put in the floor much but he's been very successful when he has.
Sam is one of the most efficient but lowest usage players on the team. He know what his role is and doesn't try to do too much. A great quality to have in a player. Love this kid.