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Title: How to beat MU
Post by: tower912 on February 08, 2017, 07:51:02 AM
1.   Run the 3 pt shooters off of the line. 
2.   Attack the basket relentlessly. 

Do those two things and your team will beat MU.   

MU's offense is so geared toward raining 3's.    Take that away because MU does not have a team that finishes at the rim.   

MU's defense (looked better last night) simply is not consistent enough to stop a team with size intent on attacking the basket. 
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: wadesworld on February 08, 2017, 07:56:36 AM
Sure.  But you can say the same thing about every team in America.

How do you beat Kentucky?  Force them to take the 3 and make drive the paint.

How do you beat UCLA?  Make Ball a high volume shooter and attack any part of their defense.

How do you beat Arizona?  Pack it in and drive and dish.

Etc. Etc.  Easier said than done.
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 08, 2017, 07:58:01 AM
Based on the way that JJJ finished last year, the drives cheatham had last year and the offense Luke has shown you'd think we'd have a "b" game plan oriented around those three
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: GGGG on February 08, 2017, 07:59:12 AM
JJJ only drives with his right.  Not hard to defense at this level.
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 08, 2017, 08:19:17 AM
How many playas can beat der man off the dribble? Too slow, so just stick a hand in der mug, ai na?
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: TVDirector on February 08, 2017, 08:41:34 AM
3. Show up.
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 08, 2017, 09:09:41 AM
No one drives to the basket on our team
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: RJax55 on February 08, 2017, 09:17:04 AM
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 08, 2017, 07:59:12 AM
JJJ only drives with his right.  Not hard to defense at this level.

And, Cheatham is the complete opposite. Only goes left. Both are easy to defend.
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: RJax55 on February 08, 2017, 09:18:47 AM
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on February 08, 2017, 09:09:41 AM
No one drives to the basket on our team

Duane Wilson is the best driver on the team. But, he's the 8th guy in a 9 man rotation.
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 08, 2017, 09:20:07 AM
Wojo should try switching up the line up try starting maybe KR, Rowsey and Duane
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 08, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: RJax55 on February 08, 2017, 09:17:04 AM
And, Cheatham is the complete opposite. Only goes left. Both are easy to defend.
Our players need to really work hard this off season
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: KampusFoods on February 08, 2017, 09:21:21 AM
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on February 08, 2017, 09:09:41 AM
No one drives to the basket on our team

Markus drives plenty. Just gets blocked 95% of the time.
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 08, 2017, 09:23:52 AM
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on February 08, 2017, 09:09:41 AM
No one drives to the basket on our team

Will Jamil Cain solve that?
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 08, 2017, 09:24:56 AM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 08, 2017, 09:23:52 AM
Will Jamil Cain solve that?
Maybe, he reminds me of a better JJJ
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: vogue65 on February 08, 2017, 09:35:51 AM
Remember the wedge in football?
Set up with four guys toe to toe, arms outstretched,  create a shooting pocket, then the shooter rains down 3's.
We ran the double screen last night at the end, we do that all the time, our end game gambet,  why not a tripple screen or the MU wedge?

Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: brewcity77 on February 08, 2017, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on February 08, 2017, 09:09:41 AM
No one drives to the basket on our team

Actually, it seems like everyone drives to the basket on our team.

The problem is both JJ and Cheatham are severely one-handed. Markus and Rowsey drive okay, but need the bigs drawn away or screened to be effective. Duane is probably our best driver, but as noted, doesn't play a ton. I'd think that should improve next year with more beef down low and the development of those guys, along with Cain.

How much could we use a Chris Otule on this team? Someone who can box out, set brutal screens, and defend the post. Luke is a better offensive player for sure, but there were many attributes to CO's game that this team really lacks.
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 08, 2017, 10:23:54 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 08, 2017, 10:12:58 AM
Actually, it seems like everyone drives to the basket on our team.

The problem is both JJ and Cheatham are severely one-handed. Markus and Rowsey drive okay, but need the bigs drawn away or screened to be effective. Duane is probably our best driver, but as noted, doesn't play a ton. I'd think that should improve next year with more beef down low and the development of those guys, along with Cain.

How much could we use a Chris Otule on this team? Someone who can box out, set brutal screens, and defend the post. Luke is a better offensive player for sure, but there were many attributes to CO's game that this team really lacks.
Haanif in the off season needs to work on that right hand desperately
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: Big Papi on February 08, 2017, 10:32:56 AM
Butler's defensive game plan and execution was fantastic last night.  You watch the game, look at the box score and roster from last night's game and they are not bigger, stronger or quicker than us yet they were able to execute and shut down our offense.  Meanwhile we are incapable of playing one half of average defense, let alone an entire game.  Wojo needs to get an assistant with a defensive mentality for next year or we are going to have the same problems.

Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: brewcity77 on February 08, 2017, 10:35:20 AM
From 6:35 until the end of the game, we held Butler to 10 points on 13 possessions. The problem wasn't the defense, it was answering stops with made shots.
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: Big Papi on February 08, 2017, 10:47:21 AM
Game slowed down at the end and yet we couldn't stop Chrabascz from scoring 3 layups and some free throws.

When in this game did we get the stops we needed when we made our runs?  We didn't.  That is on the defense. 

And it was Butler's defense that took away our offense game plan.
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 08, 2017, 11:03:14 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 08, 2017, 10:35:20 AM
From 6:35 until the end of the game, we held Butler to 10 points on 13 possessions. The problem wasn't the defense, it was answering stops with made shots.

Yep. Just didn't make our shots last night. No ball movement on offense. Only shots we made last 5 minutes were Markus two threes, one when it was over, and his uncontested layup. Would have been nice to get Rowsey out there IMO, even though they were in his pocket all night.
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: brewcity77 on February 08, 2017, 11:04:43 AM
Quote from: mufanatic on February 08, 2017, 10:47:21 AM
Game slowed down at the end and yet we couldn't stop Chrabascz from scoring 3 layups and some free throws.

When in this game did we get the stops we needed when we made our runs?  We didn't.  That is on the defense. 

And it was Butler's defense that took away our offense game plan.

I...just...told you? Before we started fouling, down the stretch, we held Butler to 4 points on 7 possessions. I forgot the Chrabascz layup that came in the final minute.

6:17 Butler Turnover
5:26 Butler missed three, MU rebound
4:44 Chrabascz layup
4:07 Chrabascz layup
3:09 Butler Turnover (offensive board extended possession, but 0 points)
2:39 Butler Turnover
2:17 Butler missed three, MU rebound

The problem was the offense. In that same time, we made two baskets, scored 5 points, and turned it over 3 times.
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: skianth16 on February 08, 2017, 12:14:57 PM
Butler definitely had a good defensive game plan, but about mid-way through the second half a lot of our guys just lost all their common sense. KR taking shots 5 ft behind the line, Rowsey jacking 3's 6 seconds into the shot clock, Cheatham passing up open looks (still!), and way too many bad passes leading to turnovers. Oh, and let's not forget a complete lack of urgency with less than 30 seconds to play.

In general, decision making was as bad last night as it's been all season. This team seems to lack discipline in basics too often, which is more than a little bit concerning this far into the season.
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 08, 2017, 01:44:59 PM
Quote from: mufanatic on February 08, 2017, 10:47:21 AM
Game slowed down at the end and yet we couldn't stop Chrabascz from scoring 3 layups and some free throws.

When in this game did we get the stops we needed when we made our runs?  We didn't.  That is on the defense. 

And it was Butler's defense that took away our offense game plan.

For our standards, we played fantastic defense last night. Our offense didn't play up to our standards. Expecting our defense to play any better is hopeless, the problem last night was our offense.
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: brandx on February 08, 2017, 01:51:39 PM
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2017, 07:51:02 AM
1.   Run the 3 pt shooters off of the line. 
2.   Attack the basket relentlessly. 



I think smart teams would gladly give up 15-20 pts a game to Fish to close out on the three point shooters.
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 08, 2017, 02:26:31 PM
Simple to beat MU, keep reversing the ball and attack, they dont want to or cant play defense and dont want to get their hands dirty. And attack the glass
Simple game.
Mu players want to win but are unwilling to do what it takes.
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 08, 2017, 02:29:14 PM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 08, 2017, 02:26:31 PM
Simple to beat MU, keep reversing the ball and attack, they dont want to or cant play defense and dont want to get their hands dirty. And attack the glass
Simple game.
Mu players want to win but are unwilling to do what it takes.
or press us. When teams press we don't do to well
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 08, 2017, 02:58:59 PM
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on February 08, 2017, 02:29:14 PM
or press us. When teams press we don't do to well

St. John's is the only team that has successfully pressed us.
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: Class71 on February 08, 2017, 09:44:29 PM
All that is said about our driving is true but the bigger problem is our D period, full stop. With decent D we could have won at least 3 more games and had our ticket to the Big Dance. Now good luck.
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: ecompt on February 08, 2017, 09:50:41 PM
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on February 08, 2017, 09:24:56 AM
Maybe, he reminds me of a better JJJ

If he stays within 30 feet of his man on defense he'll be better than JJJ.
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 08, 2017, 10:06:10 PM
We need to move the ball more and quicker, get everyone involved, play decent defense, attack the rim if our outside shots don't fall
Title: Re: How to beat MU
Post by: tower912 on February 11, 2017, 01:13:47 PM
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2017, 07:51:02 AM
1.   Run the 3 pt shooters off of the line. 
2.   Attack the basket relentlessly. 

Do those two things and your team will beat MU.   

MU's offense is so geared toward raining 3's.    Take that away because MU does not have a team that finishes at the rim.   

MU's defense (looked better last night) simply is not consistent enough to stop a team with size intent on attacking the basket.
Looks like Georgetown read this post.  Hoyas nailed it.
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