1. Butler did a great job of running MU off of the 3 point line.
2. In stretches, it looked like MU could play defense.
3. It was weird watching MU play a grinding game.
4. I thought Butler's scoring in the first half was as much good shooting as it was poor defense. For the most part. A few lapses.
5. Another double double for Luke.
6. A shame he can't guard in space.
7. Rowsey needs to quit committing dumb fouls.
8. I wonder what the real reason is for Martin's absence in the first half.
9. Played good enough defense to win. The shots just didn't fall. Very odd for MU.
10. The more composed, better defending, just plain better, team won tonight. And it never felt like it would end differently.
Not having a true 4 killed us in this one
Amen. But to posit that MU played decent D is truly iffy.
Yeah, watching Sam flail helplessly as 45 went by him that last time was kind of emblematic.
Lost to a better team.
Luke can't guard anyone with any shred of quickness, but I'll still take him on the court all game when he's playing like today. Can't go four straight possessions without a touch for him at the end. We're going to hurt without him next year.
Gotta make the bunnies.
I'm going to repeat this about 15 times in the next 24 hours...
We picked the wrong night to miss our 3's.
Rowsey 0-fer.... Reinhardt off.
Would have won with even an average rowsey game.
Disappointing loss, but one that isnt too surprising. On to the next one....I guess. Saturday might be very brutal. I think everyone will need to brace themselves for an ugly game. However, this team plays like a new team every game, so who knows.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 07, 2017, 10:03:57 PM
Amen. But to posit that MU played decent D is truly iffy.
The announcers called MU out repeatedly for defensive miscues. Maybe it's just because they're so glaring when they happen.
crabass is a player.
our team is weak
another disappointing loss
after beating creighton and nova it would be pretty devastating to not make the tourney, unfortunately that is looking like a reality right now
This one hurts. Never really felt confident before or during the game.
Wining this one would have made our life much easier. 4-2 down the stretch is a tall task. Thankfully IMO 9-9 may actuallly work this year, but man, needed this one.
Three of Rowsey's fouls were soft and completely unnecessary. He took himself out of this one. Needlessly.
-Shots didn't fall because the majority of them were terrible. Way too many, wtf's.......
-Martin hardly played in second half, but Charbacz just destroyed them inside
-In stretches, MU played great defense, only first nine minutes of second half, rest was terrible and not even close to winning.
Yes, Rowsey makes some really, really dumb fouls. Needed him tonight and just didn't happen.
Man, Hauser got torched.
Other than that, decent game.
Holtmann is a really good coach. Very underrated. I know they had a week to prepare, but they were ready for MU's offense. Defended the perimeter very well
Quote from: PTM on February 07, 2017, 10:14:54 PM
Man, Hauser got torched.
Other than that, decent game.
He's a complete liability on defense. Why is he in the game at the end?
Butler ran MU off the line and took the shooters out of rhythm. They started rushing and not setting their feet. Butler won the game with 3 point defense.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 07, 2017, 10:18:46 PM
He's a complete liability on defense. Why is he in the game at the end?
And who would you suggest be put in? Only two guys weren't complete liabilities tonight and I wouldn't call them great.
No heart
No energy
No reliable go-to
No consistency
We are what we are-
A pretty good team
Sometimes
Sometimes not
Tonight, not
Agree that Rowsey needs to eliminate the stupid fouls, could really have used him on the floor tonite. With that said, duane, jjj, and rinehardt were really bad too. Wojo needs to Make certain his grad transfers can play defense, Rinhardt has had flashes but is part of the problem defensively too often
Quote from: TVDirector on February 07, 2017, 10:28:21 PM
No heart
No energy
No reliable go-to
No consistency
We are what we are-
A pretty good team
Sometimes
Sometimes not
Tonight, not
the second half of the season, not
Nova was our Super Bowl.
Quote from: TVDirector on February 07, 2017, 10:28:21 PM
No heart
No energy
No reliable go-to
No consistency
We are what we are-
A pretty good team
Sometimes
Sometimes not
Tonight, not
Even if I agree with all the others, why "No heart"? Does playing poorly and often foolishly mean you lack heart? Did the Warriors quit after falling behind early? Did they stop playing hard before the final horn? What proof do you have that they lacked heart?
Attack the crappy defense, the poor decisions on offense, the dumb fouls by Rowsey, etc. But why impugn their integrity and desire?
The players need to learn how to drive to the hoop..can't rely on making every single 3 pointer. Defense was iffy but im feeling confident even after the loss. The players know what they have to do now, just need to finish off strong
Defense was much better. Yes, there were some blow bys and busted assignments, but also shot clock violations and desperation heaves to beat the buzzer.
Plain and simple, we missed shots we normally make. Just the two late missed threes from Howard and Reinhardt are usually makes.
I felt this was a coin flip game and it came up tails. Go get the Hoyas.
Going forward, I don't see this team winning either X game, nor at Prov or at GT. I se 9-9, no dance.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 07, 2017, 11:06:46 PM
Going forward, I don't see this team winning either X game, nor at Prov or at GT. I se 9-9, no dance.
Look at the bubble. 9-9 makes the dance.
Having said that. I wish for 10-8.
But good lord all of a sudden 8-10 looks legit
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 07, 2017, 11:06:46 PM
Going forward, I don't see this team winning either X game, nor at Prov or at GT. I se 9-9, no dance.
Adding to this: GTown is a much different team than the one we faced earlier in the season and creighton has figured out life after Watson I predict a 1-5 finish.
Butler handed us a golden opportunity by not playing Martin and we wouldn't take. The best way to describe what happened tonight was MU beat themselves and Butler made sure they made enough plays to accept the gift.
Way to many poor passes, poor decisions like 5' 11" guards making straight-line drives to the lane. If you do that against any decent D-1 team you are going to get the ball swatted back in your face. We made them look like 7' shot blockers. What ever happened to kicking it out for an open 3. Eventually everybody got frustrated and starting taking bad 3s. Katin's from 5 feet behind the 3 point line with a guy in his face what probably the worst. Missed too many free throws. In other words Beat Themselves.
Too bad a great game by Luke was wasted.
I'll try not to extrapolate from this but this because the way MU played tonight will not win any of the remaining games. Looked a lot like the Prov game so the trend is concerning to say the least.
Even if we make the tournament, and that is a big if, it will be a one and done.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on February 07, 2017, 10:43:07 PM
The players need to learn how to drive to the hoop..can't rely on making every single 3 pointer. Defense was iffy but im feeling confident even after the loss. The players know what they have to do now, just need to finish off strong
[/u]I just wonder what you have seen this year that gives you any confidence that this is likely to happen? They could hit a few more shots, and sure that makes a victory more likely, but I wouldn't consider that "finishing strong." Their fundamental weakness remains.
One of Rowsey's calls was an absolute bullsh*t charge where he passed, jumped to avoid contact, and the Butler player flopped.
I am so absolutely frustrated with college refs and their inability to get this call correct that I am beginning to think that the secondary charge call should simply be eliminated from the game.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 08, 2017, 05:39:21 AM
Even if we make the tournament, and that is a big if, it will be a one and done.
I agree with this point.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400919712
The mourning after........ I think Butler won this game more than MU lost it. Butler's six seniors played disciplined defense, played to the scout. Their focus was to run MU off of the 3 pt line and not let our shooters get clean looks. To not double Luke. They did it nearly to perfection. I thought in stretches, MU's defense was as solid as it has been all year. And frequently, the defense would be solid for 15 seconds and then one guy (different every time, but almost everybody took a turn) would lose focus for two seconds and Butler would make them pay. Which is a credit to Butler as much as it is a criticism of MU.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 08, 2017, 05:39:21 AM
Even if we make the tournament, and that is a big if, it will be a one and done.
So what. 283 schools would rather be one and done, that not be part of the show at all.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on February 07, 2017, 11:13:21 PM
Butler handed us a golden opportunity by not playing Martin and we wouldn't take. The best way to describe what happened tonight was MU beat themselves and Butler made sure they made enough plays to accept the gift.
Way to many poor passes, poor decisions like 5' 11" guards making straight-line drives to the lane. If you do that against any decent D-1 team you are going to get the ball swatted back in your face. We made them look like 7' shot blockers. What ever happened to kicking it out for an open 3. Eventually everybody got frustrated and starting taking bad 3s. Katin's from 5 feet behind the 3 point line with a guy in his face what probably the worst. Missed too many free throws. In other words Beat Themselves.
Too bad a great game by Luke was wasted.
I'll try not to extrapolate from this but this because the way MU played tonight will not win any of the remaining games. Looked a lot like the Prov game so the trend is concerning to say the least.
So how many more times does Markus have to do this before he learns...game after game after game.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2017, 07:32:42 AM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400919712
The mourning after........ I think Butler won this game more than MU lost it.
I guess its a matter of degree and "the morning after" I can accept that Butler's defense played a role in MU's complete inability to get their 3 point game going. Butler was doubling the ball whenever it was at the top of the key, totally ignoring the screener on those plays and sending both defenders after the ball. It worked and we never seemed to do anything to adjust. That said I'm really tired of the dumb passes that end up being thrown right to a defender. I thought that was last season and we were past that. I also hope that its a matter of experience that will teach guys that if you end up a few feet from the hoop with 1,2 or even 3 guys that are 6" taller than you between you and it trying to get to the rim is futile. You have to either
pull up and shoot or
pass out. To me those "blocks" are actually turn overs that we should add to all our bad passes. Erase 5 of those and instead get shots, make 40% of those shots and you win this game regardless of how many seniors Butler has.
A few weeks ago I guess I thought we were ready to play with the contenders in our league. Not just because we beat Nova at home but because we beat Nova and Creighton and had a top 20 Butler on the ropes at their place all by playing the same kind of ball. A friend of mine said "you guys were playing out of your minds at Creighton" to which I replied. No really that is the way this team plays. I'm afraid I was wrong. We played out of our minds for a week and a half. The way we are playing now is
us; a little better than last year but still not quite ready to contend.
Quote from: SuddenSam on February 08, 2017, 08:21:57 AM
So how many more times does Markus have to do this before he learns...game after game after game.
I'm old enough to remember Eric Hicks having 10 blocks against MU because freshmen James and McNeal kept driving into him.
Markus is best suited driving off a curl than a straight line drive. He's a smart kid, he'll figure it out.
I still think we need to give DW more mins
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2017, 07:32:42 AM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400919712
#freethrowsmatta
Make our free throws, and we win that game.
Quote from: SuddenSam on February 08, 2017, 08:21:57 AM
So how many more times does Markus have to do this before he learns...game after game after game.
Markus is a Freshman working his tail off. Save the complaints for seniors like JJJ.
I see an either or mentality. We were focusing on offense, now we are focusing on defense, the solution is to focus on basketball.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 08, 2017, 09:31:13 AM
#freethrowsmatta
Make our free throws, and we win that game.
If we shoot our average, we make 2-3 more. If Butler shoots their average, they make 1-3 more, especially the two missed front ends late. So not really.
The problem with free throws wasn't not making them, it was not getting to the line enough. We took 9 FTs on 60 FGAs. That's 15%, or about half our season average. Get to the line 17-18 times and we win even with the low percentage. And Butler was over 27% FTA/FGA, far closer to their norm than we were.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 08, 2017, 10:19:00 AM
And Butler was over 27% FTA/FGA, far closer to their norm than we were.
Agree, but part of that was artificially inflated because of our intentional fouls.