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Title: We own Allstate
Post by: tower912 on February 04, 2017, 03:04:14 PM
1.  The team had to have it and they got it.   I don't think it indicates a single thing for the next game.    It just means that MU got the job done. 
2.  Balance.  Lots of contributors.
3.  Luke blocking shots.    Wow.   SOTG IMO
4.  Raining 3's sure does make the rest of the game look good. 
5.  Please take Cheatham out of the game for the press break.    This is when you run the two midgets out there along with KR and Sam.   And JjJ.  And I WANT HC playing 32 MPG.   Just not breaking presses late.      KR to Sam coming back to the ball.   Then a dump off to a breaking AR or MH.   Press broken. 
6.  Workmanlike.   Drama free.    Like it.    Next.   
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: real chili 83 on February 04, 2017, 03:06:14 PM
Eff DePaul.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: DUNKS45 on February 04, 2017, 03:08:29 PM
#5, cheats is very frustrating to watch and rowsey picks up his dribble to often. Good win as you say...Next
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: muwarrior97 on February 04, 2017, 03:09:00 PM
Got dat W!!

On to the next....

Agree, on HC with the press, he seems passive/timid/not strong with valuing ball
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: 1SE on February 04, 2017, 03:09:40 PM
Glad to see us pull away at the end. Bring on Butler!
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 04, 2017, 03:12:18 PM
Thread title change: We're in good hands at Allstate
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 04, 2017, 03:13:13 PM
Defense was agin atrocious, depaul struggles to score 60 and they scored 79 today. 
I am against slowing it down n feding the post.  Shoot 3s and get up n down, outscore teams.  If we dont score 90 we dont win. Sad but true
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 04, 2017, 03:14:28 PM
Quote from: tower912 on February 04, 2017, 03:04:14 PM
1.  The team had to have it and they got it.   I don't think it indicates a single thing for the next game.    It just means that MU got the job done. 
2.  Balance.  Lots of contributors.
3.  Luke blocking shots.    Wow.   SOTG IMO
4.  Raining 3's sure does make the rest of the game look good. 
5.  Please take Cheatham out of the game for the press break.    This is when you run the two midgets out there along with KR and Sam.   And JjJ.  And I WANT HC playing 32 MPG.   Just not breaking presses late.      KR to Sam coming back to the ball.   Then a dump off to a breaking AR or MH.   Press broken. 
6.  Workmanlike.   Drama free.    Like it.    Next.

Agree on 5, however props to hanni today for nocking down some treys and his fts late
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: GGGG on February 04, 2017, 03:20:45 PM
"Workmanlike" is the exact word I said when the game ended.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: 1SE on February 04, 2017, 03:23:04 PM
Other than the press, really solid game from HC - we'll need him down the stretch.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 04, 2017, 03:26:39 PM
A win.

4 more to go
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: fjm on February 04, 2017, 03:30:03 PM
Fisch was solid!
Held had some nice put backs and has done pretty solid relieving Fisch.

I like the W!
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: tower912 on February 04, 2017, 03:37:18 PM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400919708

Heldt outscores Sam.    I never thought I would get to type that. 
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on February 04, 2017, 04:05:19 PM
I am going to miss Allstate for Marquette games.  Great WIN!
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: Eldon on February 04, 2017, 04:09:00 PM
ALLSTATE YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 04, 2017, 04:10:38 PM
Quote from: tower912 on February 04, 2017, 03:37:18 PM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400919708

Heldt outscores Sam.    I never thought I would get to type that.
Sam been struugling from the field. A ton of in and outs and a few bad passes, he is hesitating quite a bit.  He will bounce back, such a heady player
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: tower912 on February 04, 2017, 04:14:39 PM
Not worried at all.   Sam has exceeded my expectations.   I don't worry when a freshman has an off game or even a bad week. 
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 04, 2017, 04:28:07 PM
Even though we had the game those inbound plays at the end of the game were just brutal. What 4 points in under 5 seconds for DePaul.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on February 04, 2017, 04:31:04 PM
Way to make DePaul look like a doormat twice - next!
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: wadesworld on February 04, 2017, 04:50:43 PM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 04, 2017, 03:13:13 PM
Defense was agin atrocious, depaul struggles to score 60 and they scored 79 today. 
I am against slowing it down n feding the post.  Shoot 3s and get up n down, outscore teams.  If we dont score 90 we dont win. Sad but true

Struggle to score 60 yet average 70.  They're good at struggling I guess.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: mug644 on February 04, 2017, 04:59:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 04, 2017, 03:13:13 PM
Defense was agin atrocious, depaul struggles to score 60 and they scored 79 today. 
I am against slowing it down n feding the post.  Shoot 3s and get up n down, outscore teams.  If we dont score 90 we dont win. Sad but true

I didn't see or hear the game, but it seems like our best days are when either we are hitting lights out from 3 pt land AND we have Fischer being productive on the inside. So many more options when those are happening. Again, I didn't see today, but the box score implies that Luke had a solid presence in the lane.

So, slowing it down when being successful in the lane, especially if we can also hit threes works pretty well.

Bottom line, with the often atrocious defense MU plays, we need to be successful in a variety of ways on offense.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: GGGG on February 04, 2017, 05:00:50 PM
The defense wasn't terrible today.  I mean, it wasn't great either.  It was sufficient.

That's pretty much the best we can hope for I think.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: brandx on February 04, 2017, 05:27:21 PM
Hard to lose when the bench shoots nearly 70%
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: connie on February 04, 2017, 05:28:19 PM
Stopped the bleeding.  That's good.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 04, 2017, 05:45:55 PM
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 04, 2017, 05:00:50 PM
The defense wasn't terrible today.  I mean, it wasn't great either.  It was sufficient.

That's pretty much the best we can hope for I think.

Exactly. We win by outscoring the opponent. Nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 04, 2017, 05:55:50 PM
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 04, 2017, 05:00:50 PM
The defense wasn't terrible today.  I mean, it wasn't great either.  It was sufficient.

That's pretty much the best we can hope for I think.

Ya tho its still bad , depaul shot 47% and out rebounded us.  Thats not good
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 04, 2017, 06:02:19 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 04, 2017, 04:50:43 PM
Struggle to score 60 yet average 70.  They're good at struggling I guess.

Depaul scored 70 or more points a grand total of two times this year in BE play.  Both times 73. Today the scored 79.  Them is the facts.  Our defense is really bad
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: GGGG on February 04, 2017, 06:34:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 04, 2017, 06:02:19 PM
Depaul scored 70 or more points a grand total of two times this year in BE play.  Both times 73. Today the scored 79.  Them is the facts.  Our defense is really bad


DePaul gave up 90 for the first time in BE play today.  They have given up 80+ four times in BE play - twice to Marquette. 

I'm not saying the defense is great by any stretch, but sometimes it really doesn't matter.  I'd like to see what the PPP stats were because I don't believe they were all that efficient. 
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: wadesworld on February 04, 2017, 07:10:43 PM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 04, 2017, 06:02:19 PM
Depaul scored 70 or more points a grand total of two times this year in BE play.  Both times 73. Today the scored 79.  Them is the facts.  Our defense is really bad

Your exact words were that DePaul struggles to score 60 points. The facts that "them is" is they average 70 points per game. If you want to shift the goal posts to "they struggle to score 60 points in the Big East," fine, we can do that. You're also wrong with the shifted goal posts. They average 67 points per game in the Big East. They have scored 60 or less in a total of 2 games Big East games. Guess who 50% of those games came against? That's right, none other than MU. So no, they don't struggle to score 60 points no matter what way you spin it.

You said they struggle to score 60 points and the fact is they don't. You were wrong. Nothing wrong with it. But then you doubled down on it, and unfortunately for you it didn't change the real facts that you were wrong.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: MUDPT on February 04, 2017, 07:32:59 PM
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 04, 2017, 06:34:53 PM

DePaul gave up 90 for the first time in BE play today.  They have given up 80+ four times in BE play - twice to Marquette. 

I'm not saying the defense is great by any stretch, but sometimes it really doesn't matter.  I'd like to see what the PPP stats were because I don't believe they were all that efficient.

PPP
MU 1.37
DePaul 1.18
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: GGGG on February 04, 2017, 07:43:46 PM
Quote from: MUDPT on February 04, 2017, 07:32:59 PM
PPP
MU 1.37
DePaul 1.18


Thanks.

I used to get these from statsheet.  Is there a free site you got these from?
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: warriorchick on February 04, 2017, 08:22:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 04, 2017, 03:13:13 PM
Defense was agin atrocious, depaul struggles to score 60 and they scored 79 today. 
I am against slowing it down n feding the post.  Shoot 3s and get up n down, outscore teams.  If we dont score 90 we dont win. Sad but true

But I bet that every kid on the team knows how to spell "again", "and", "feeding", and "don't".
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: warriorchick on February 04, 2017, 08:25:59 PM
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on February 04, 2017, 04:05:19 PM
I am going to miss Allstate for Marquette games.  Great WIN!

No kidding.  Getting to the new arena will be a major pain in the ass.  And there is also the fact that it is going to be really tough to find a decent place to hold the alumni pregame party.  The Hofbrau House was great today.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 04, 2017, 09:05:43 PM
Quote from: warriorchick on February 04, 2017, 08:25:59 PM
No kidding.  Getting to the new arena will be a major pain in the ass.  And there is also the fact that it is going to be really tough to find a decent place to hold the alumni pregame party.  The Hofbrau House was great today.

The Wintrust would have been 84% full today.  With the Hyatt and the new Marriott coming up, there will be plenty of space to hold a gathering.  Plenty of <high priced> parking options too in the McCormick Place garages.

Holfbrauhaus was nice today.  MU did a first class job.  End of an era and a cavern.  Time for a new DePaul identity.  When the promotion budget allows for thumb wresting and plastic eggs on a spoon relay, hosted by a guy in a ringmaster's suite, it is time for a reset.

http://thecollectionatmccormicksquare.com

Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: Newsdreams on February 04, 2017, 09:12:26 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 04, 2017, 07:10:43 PM
Your exact words were that DePaul struggles to score 60 points. The facts that "them is" is they average 70 points per game. If you want to shift the goal posts to "they struggle to score 60 points in the Big East," fine, we can do that. You're also wrong with the shifted goal posts. They average 67 points per game in the Big East. They have scored 60 or less in a total of 2 games Big East games. Guess who 50% of those games came against? That's right, none other than MU. So no, they don't struggle to score 60 points no matter what way you spin it.

You said they struggle to score 60 points and the fact is they don't. You were wrong. Nothing wrong with it. But then you doubled down on it, and unfortunately for you it didn't change the real facts that you were wrong.
Sand likes his alternative facts.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: warriorchick on February 05, 2017, 07:58:50 AM
For all of you who are fond of bitching about the crappy attendance of Marquette students, I took a picture of the DePaul student section.  This was less than a minute before tipoff:

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-0/p552x414/16486954_10154836571111083_1303937168813460187_o.jpg?oh=9f37943f64481342a740fd446b85729f&oe=590D92C1)
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: jsglow on February 05, 2017, 08:19:42 AM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 04, 2017, 09:05:43 PM
The Wintrust would have been 84% full today.  With the Hyatt and the new Marriott coming up, there will be plenty of space to hold a gathering.  Plenty of <high priced> parking options too in the McCormick Place garages.

Holfbrauhaus was nice today.  MU did a first class job.  End of an era and a cavern.  Time for a new DePaul identity.  When the promotion budget allows for thumb wresting and plastic eggs on a spoon relay, hosted by a guy in a ringmaster's suite, it is time for a reset.

http://thecollectionatmccormicksquare.com

There will be options, just not many options that fit very well with a Saturday afternoon college basketball game.  Few will be interested in dropping $100 extra to park/pregame.  The Marquette events that surround the annual DePaul game have been very successful in recent years.  Certainly not anyone's fault but that's going to be very hard to replicate going forward.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 05, 2017, 08:46:00 AM
Quote from: jsglow on February 05, 2017, 08:19:42 AM
There will be options, just not many options that fit very well with a Saturday afternoon college basketball game.  Few will be interested in dropping $100 extra to park/pregame.  The Marquette events that surround the annual DePaul game have been very successful in recent years.  Certainly not anyone's fault but that's going to be very hard to replicate going forward.

McCormick parking is $19 (I am sure it will be higher by then). The new Green Line stop will be two blocks away.  Motor Row is the targeted entertainment district right there that needs to redevelop and will when the arena opens.

The B&G reception was $30 with a shuttle bus to Allstate and validated parking yesterday. What's the cost per person for the shuttle versus the cost of parking divided by 3 or 4?  I am sure MU will still have plenty of catered event options at $30 per person nearby, including inside Wintrust.

DePaul needs a reset.  Rosemont isn't too convenient either, and All State's concessions are mediocre and the floor layout so so for hoops.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: warriorchick on February 05, 2017, 09:06:43 AM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 05, 2017, 08:46:00 AM
McCormick parking is $19 (I am sure it will be higher by then). The new Green Line stop will be two blocks away.  Motor Row is the targeted entertainment district right there that needs to redevelop and will when the arena opens.

The B&G reception was $30 with a shuttle bus to Allstate and validated parking yesterday. What's the cost per person for the shuttle versus the cost of parking divided by 3 or 4?  I am sure MU will still have plenty of catered event options at $30 per person nearby, including inside Wintrust.

DePaul needs a reset.  Rosemont isn't too convenient either, and All State's concessions are mediocre and the floor layout so so for hoops.

The reception was $25 if you signed up early enough  ;D and included a a really good lunch buffet.  Glow and I spoke to a couple of members of Advancement there, and finding a comparable option near the new venue is a real concern of theirs.  Let's hope they don't have to resort to generic hotel ballroom food.  Also, I would guess that at least 75% of Marquette alums live closer to the Allstate than to the new place.  A lot of them were Southsiders as kids, but not now.

Like every other big public project in Chicago, this arena benefits the special interests of those involved in its construction and operation as to opposed to what was best for the taxpayers and users of the facility.

My prediction is that even if the new venue increases attendance from DePaul fans, the attendance for the DePaul-Marquette game will decrease, especially after the first year.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 05, 2017, 09:32:32 AM
Quote from: warriorchick on February 05, 2017, 09:06:43 AM
The reception was $25 if you signed up early enough  ;D and included a a really good lunch buffet.  Glow and I spoke to a couple of members of Advancement there, and finding a comparable option near the new venue is a real concern of theirs.  Let's hope they don't have to resort to generic hotel ballroom food.  Also, I would guess that at least 75% of Marquette alums live closer to the Allstate than to the new place.  A lot of them were Southsiders as kids, but not now.

Like every other big public project in Chicago, this arena benefits the special interests of those involved in its construction and operation as to opposed to what was best for the taxpayers and users of the facility.

My prediction is that even if the new venue increases attendance from DePaul fans, the attendance for the DePaul-Marquette game will decrease, especially after the first year.

I wouldn't call the Hofbrauhaus food a culinary wonder, although the food and supply was far superior than last year. True about the majority of the alums yesterday being from the burbs, but there was also a large contingent on a Lamer bus from MKE. There were at least three student buses that never made it to Hafbrauhaus.

If you noticed the few 30 and unders from the city stayed at the bar and ordered directly there (and beer). Next year, they will be the ones showing up as Rosemont is not easy or convenient for them. A Green Line stop will be added. If MU wants a like, exclusive venue, Tommy Guns is two blocks away. Kroll's 2.5 blocks for friend meet ups.  Motor Row Brewing is a block away.

Honestly, this is no different than going to a Bears game.  Hopefully the I55 reconstruction will be over by then. Annoyance factor will be game start time and Chicago traffic.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 05, 2017, 09:49:14 AM
In all the posts I didn't see this stat: Yesterday's offensive efficiency of 137.2 was the most efficient conference game in the Wojo era, and the best in conference since Providence (138.7) in 2009-10. We should take time to enjoy this offensive laser light show. Pomeroy has a 85% correlation of eFG% to our offensive efficiency.  Our eFG% was 71.1% yesterday.

Defense is just a repressed memory.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: brewcity77 on February 05, 2017, 09:52:32 AM
I would've went with In Good Hands at Allstate, but that's just me. I watched the game late last night. Thoughts...

Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 05, 2017, 10:03:25 AM
One thing I have noticed about this team is that our offense affects our defense. If shots are falling, we play energized on defense. If shots are clanking, we look a little dejected on defense. This of course makes it hard to come from behind or stop an opponents run.

Got to change the psychology on this. Players should be mad when they miss a shot and look to make up for it on defense. I'm glad we have a player like John coming in who had been quoted saying that he's a defense first player multiple times.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: wadesworld on February 05, 2017, 11:11:07 AM
Quote from: warriorchick on February 05, 2017, 07:58:50 AM
For all of you who are fond of bitching about the crappy attendance of Marquette students, I took a picture of the DePaul student section.  This was less than a minute before tipoff:

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-0/p552x414/16486954_10154836571111083_1303937168813460187_o.jpg?oh=9f37943f64481342a740fd446b85729f&oe=590D92C1)

Phew. Thank God we get better student attendance than DePaul.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: HoopsterBC on February 05, 2017, 11:23:34 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 05, 2017, 10:03:25 AM
One thing I have noticed about this team is that our offense affects our defense. If shots are falling, we play energized on defense. If shots are clanking, we look a little dejected on defense. This of course makes it hard to come from behind or stop an opponents run.

Got to change the psychology on this. Players should be mad when they miss a shot and look to make up for it on defense. I'm glad we have a player like John coming in who had been quoted saying that he's a defense first player multiple times.

They will need to play better D next year as the O will not be.  Losing 3 scorers will hurt.  Luke plays some D but Reinhardt and Johnson are weak links on the D end.
Not sure about Cain as he will be a freshman, but Anim has the body to play D, not skinny at all.  Depending on Wilson,  he should start but if he does not, Anim has
a chance to start.  So if it is Anim and Cheatham, there alone they do not have the offensive skills of the departing seniors.   In the middle,  not sure if MU is improving
there or not.  Have 3 or 4 bodies, hope someone is better than Heldt.  He is a fine back-up, not sure ever a starter.  Like to see one grad transfer, either a small forward or 2 guard.  Wojo has done a good job getting transfers.  They need a scorer at those 2 positions.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: #UnleashSean on February 05, 2017, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 04, 2017, 06:02:19 PM
Depaul scored 70 or more points a grand total of two times this year in BE play.  Both times 73. Today the scored 79.  Them is the facts.  Our defense is really bad

Yes and? Our defense has been bad all year. We know this
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 05, 2017, 11:32:43 AM
Quote from: warriorchick on February 05, 2017, 07:58:50 AM
For all of you who are fond of bitching about the crappy attendance of Marquette students, I took a picture of the DePaul student section.  This was less than a minute before tipoff:

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-0/p552x414/16486954_10154836571111083_1303937168813460187_o.jpg?oh=9f37943f64481342a740fd446b85729f&oe=590D92C1)

My freshman or sophomore year, (I cant remember exactly) me and a few other people went to the Depaul game and we had wristbands for the student section.

Right before tipoff, the assistant athletic director from Depaul came up to us and kicked us out, but as he was doing it I went "Why? We actually make your student section look full" or something along those lines. He did not appreciate that.

To be fair, there were almost as many Marquette students in the student section there as Depaul students. Should have let us stay.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: Marcus92 on February 06, 2017, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: HoopsterBC on February 05, 2017, 11:23:34 AM
Losing 3 scorers will hurt.

Losing 3 seniors is always a big adjustment. JJJ, Fish and Katin account for about 40% of our scoring. But college coaches deal with this kind of change almost every year. We've got more talent on the way, and may not be done recruiting yet for 2017-18. Plus, we're established at the point position — possibly the most important position in basketball.
Title: Re: We own Allstate
Post by: Newsdreams on February 06, 2017, 09:58:18 PM
Quote from: HoopsterBC on February 05, 2017, 11:23:34 AM
They will need to play better D next year as the O will not be.  Losing 3 scorers will hurt.  Luke plays some D but Reinhardt and Johnson are weak links on the D end.
Not sure about Cain as he will be a freshman, but Anim has the body to play D, not skinny at all.  Depending on Wilson,  he should start but if he does not, Anim has
a chance to start.  So if it is Anim and Cheatham, there alone they do not have the offensive skills of the departing seniors.   In the middle,  not sure if MU is improving
there or not.  Have 3 or 4 bodies, hope someone is better than Heldt.  He is a fine back-up, not sure ever a starter.  Like to see one grad transfer, either a small forward or 2 guard.  Wojo has done a good job getting transfers.  They need a scorer at those 2 positions.
I think Reinhardt has been much better at D and rebounding than expected
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