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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on February 01, 2017, 08:30:00 PM
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Since everybody is understandably torqued tonight, I thought I would redirect the anger. So, you're the coach. With the current roster, having now watched 3/4ths of a season, as smart as you are, allocate the minutes the rest of the way. Assuming no injuries and a minimum of foul trouble. 9 players. 200 minutes. Go.
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Wait. Tell me who's hot, how many fouls Luke has at half, and if KR has made at least 2 3's by half.
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Yeah it's hard to divy up minutes when there is a lack of consistency. Duane looks great against Nova, and then lays two eggs. Markus is being figured out. JJJ is what he always has been.
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Exactly. There is no right answer, as every player on this team has had flashes of brilliance and moments of 'throwing-crap-at-the-TV- in-Frustration" stupidity. KR was the answer last week against Creighton and Nova. And you can go right down the roster.
And while you are at it, design a defense. That these players can excel at.
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All im saying is they should probably play Rowsey more, duane a little more, JJJ less, and fischer less
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Great topic.
I think wojo has done an outstanding job with what he has. I highly doubt anyone here could have done better.
Is what it is, we have to ride the hot hand on that given day.
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If I thought the egos involved could handle it.......
1. Rowsey, 25 minutes, MH 15. If the matchup allows, MH some time at the 2.
2. Duane. Until foul trouble or his legs limit him. Which means 25. JjJ 15. Or less if the matchups allow MH to play with Rowsey.
3. HC. Snakebit, but efforting 30. KR 10
4. Sam 28. KR 12
5. Luke 30 Matt 10.
Having said that, JjJ will probably go off for 22, 8, 5 on Saturday and this will all be hokum.
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Exactly. There is no right answer, as every player on this team has had flashes of brilliance and moments of 'throwing-crap-at-the-TV- in-Frustration" stupidity. KR was the answer last week against Creighton and Nova. And you can go right down the roster.
And while you are at it, design a defense. That these players can excel at.
Exactly. We've now seen the zone that people were clamoring for. And outside of Nova missing a ton of shots...it isn't any better than man. It is the softest zone I have seen in a long time.
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Great topic.
I think wojo has done an outstanding job with what he has. I highly doubt anyone here could have done better.
Is what it is, we have to ride the hot hand on that given day.
And that's the problem with the current squad makeup, there are no consistent players. Each player has a fantastic effort, then next three games, it's not. Then the cycle repeats itself. Rarely has a consistent team effort been accomplished and extremely frustrating for the staff.
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Can't play Rowsey and Howard together because they're too small.
Can't play Luke and Heldt together because they clog the lane.
Tough to play Cheatham and Heldt together because they provide no offense.
Tough to play KR and JJJ when their shots aren't falling.
When MU's shots are falling, they look great. When the shots aren't falling, they have nothing to fall back on. Not an easy task for Wojo.
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Since everybody is understandably torqued tonight, I thought I would redirect the anger. So, you're the coach. With the current roster, having now watched 3/4ths of a season, as smart as you are, allocate the minutes the rest of the way. Assuming no injuries and a minimum of foul trouble. 9 players. 200 minutes. Go.
Wojo built this team more in the mold of an ACC team. That doesn't match our identity when we've been successful nor does it match the toughness required to compete in the BEast. As much as I look forward to your posts Tower, I must say divvying up minutes for our finesse players is irrelevant in this league unfortunately.
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I think the long season and physical BEast seems to be catching up with Howard. More minutes seem to be going to Rowsey, who is, fortunately, taking advantage of the opportunity.
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(s) Rowsey - 33
(s) Reinhart - 33
(s) Fischer - 25
(s) Hauser - 30
(s) Howard - 28
Johnson - 20 (Spot minutes, quick plays, etc)
Cheatham - 12
Heldt - 7
Wilson - 17
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(s) Rowsey - 33
(s) Reinhart - 33
(s) Fischer - 25
(s) Hauser - 30
(s) Howard - 28
Johnson - 20 (Spot minutes, quick plays, etc)
Cheatham - 12
Heldt - 7
Wilson - 17
1-3-1 anytime fischer isn't in the game.
Lot of small ball with rein gaurding the center at times.
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If I thought the egos involved could handle it.......
1. Rowsey, 25 minutes, MH 15. If the matchup allows, MH some time at the 2.
2. Duane. Until foul trouble or his legs limit him. Which means 25. JjJ 15. Or less if the matchups allow MH to play with Rowsey.
3. HC. Snakebit, but efforting 30. KR 10
4. Sam 28. KR 12
5. Luke 30 Matt 10.
Having said that, JjJ will probably go off for 22, 8, 5 on Saturday and this will all be hokum.
On mine I would be going with howard running the show at the start. Rowsey's offball screens into pumpfakes are a godsend.
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(s) Rowsey - 33
(s) Reinhart - 33
(s) Fischer - 25
(s) Hauser - 30
(s) Howard - 28
Johnson - 20 (Spot minutes, quick plays, etc)
Cheatham - 12
Heldt - 7
Wilson - 17
Reinhart isn't going to get 33 minute. Only way to get HC out of his slump is to keep letting him play he will figure it out. But besides that i totally agree with this
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If I thought the egos involved could handle it.......
1. Rowsey, 25 minutes, MH 15. If the matchup allows, MH some time at the 2.
2. Duane. Until foul trouble or his legs limit him. Which means 25. JjJ 15. Or less if the matchups allow MH to play with Rowsey.
3. HC. Snakebit, but efforting 30. KR 10
4. Sam 28. KR 12
5. Luke 30 Matt 10.
Having said that, JjJ will probably go off for 22, 8, 5 on Saturday and this will all be hokum.
15 or less for JJ? Crazy
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15 or less for JJ? Crazy
To be honest, he is a liability out there. He will make an amazing head turning play, then 5 seconds later throw the ball to the other team and foul them.
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1: Howard 28, Rowsey 12
2: Cheatham 20, Rowsey 16, Wilson 2
3: JJJ 20, Wilson 11, Reinhardt 9
4: Hauser 21, Reinhardt 19
5: Fischer 26, Heldt 7, Hauser 7
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There is no reason for Cheatham to be getting more than 10 minutes. This isn't Bruce Bowen. Cartwright had 18, most of which came in the second half on him. Brunson has 19 on him. Foster had 30 on him. Baldwin had 18 on him. Did a great job on Cain. Rodriguez had 30 on him. Brunson has 16 on him. Did a great job on Rodriguez. Did a great job on Peak. Tonight just his turnovers alone gave up 10 fast break points, so even if he was shutting someone down he gave it back right there alone.
Hate to rag on a kid but he's hurting the team right now. In situations where you need a longer perimeter defender sure, throw him in there and tell him to lock down his man and not dribble the basketball. Otherwise I'll take my chances that Duane or Katin can defend equally as well and have a prayer of scoring while not risking a turnover with every dribble they take. It's bad.
I hope he makes me eat my words.
Like 32, Matt 8
Sam 27, Katin 13
JJJ 15, Katin 15, Cheatham 10
Duane 24, Howard 10, JJJ 6
Rowsey 28, Howard 12
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People have backup QB syndrome with Duane I think. He had one great game against Nova. Most of the rest of the season has been brutal.
Turnovers were BAD for Haanie tonight. Let Ponds just take it from him more than once. People have been harping on Cheatham, but I'm fine with the role that he settled into. More of a defender, facilitator, and rebounder than a scorer. Plenty of scorers on this team, I'm fine with him not being one. But if he can't hang onto the ball, than my opinion on that will quickly change.
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People have backup QB syndrome with Duane I think. He had one great game against Nova. Most of the rest of the season has been brutal.
Turnovers were BAD for Haanie tonight. Let Ponds just take it from him more than once. People have been harping on Cheatham, but I'm fine with the role that he settled into. More of a defender, facilitator, and rebounder than a scorer. Plenty of scorers on this team, I'm fine with him not being one. But if he can't hang onto the ball, than my opinion on that will quickly change.
Duane was an All BE Freshman, leading all newcomers in scoring. Improved defensive player. Now, less and less minutes.
Haani was All BE Freshman, now scouted and pressing. When Wojo makes him the primary ball handler like last season and last night, he is a turnover machine.
Why is it unreasonable to see a change might work?
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Duane was an All BE Freshman, leading all newcomers in scoring. Improved defensive player. Now, less and less minutes.
Haani was All BE Freshman, now scouted and pressing. When Wojo makes him the primary ball handler like last season and last night, he is a turnover machine.
Why is it unreasonable to see a change might work?
Because despite what Duane did 2 seasons ago he has not been good this season. By any statistical measure.
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Statistically Duane and Haanif aren't all that much different. And Haanif leads the team in total minutes with 650. Duane has exactly half of that at 325.
The thing that bothers me the most about Haanif lately is that he seems almost overwhelmed mentally. Was glad to see him be aggressive in the second half, but even that didn't add up to much.
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People have backup QB syndrome with Duane I think. He had one great game against Nova. Most of the rest of the season has been brutal.
That's harsh on Duane, and frankly, not accurate. He's been fine in the minutes he's played. Shooting numbers are roughly the same as last year, and he's turning the ball over less. Shot selection has been better, as has his defense.
His role changing doesn't mean he's been brutal.
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There is no reason for Cheatham to be getting more than 10 minutes. This isn't Bruce Bowen. Cartwright had 18, most of which came in the second half on him. Brunson has 19 on him. Foster had 30 on him. Baldwin had 18 on him. Did a great job on Cain. Rodriguez had 30 on him. Brunson has 16 on him. Did a great job on Rodriguez. Did a great job on Peak. Tonight just his turnovers alone gave up 10 fast break points, so even if he was shutting someone down he gave it back right there alone.
Hate to rag on a kid but he's hurting the team right now. In situations where you need a longer perimeter defender sure, throw him in there and tell him to lock down his man and not dribble the basketball. Otherwise I'll take my chances that Duane or Katin can defend equally as well and have a prayer of scoring while not risking a turnover with every dribble they take. It's bad.
I hope he makes me eat my words.
Like 32, Matt 8
Sam 27, Katin 13
JJJ 15, Katin 15, Cheatham 10
Duane 24, Howard 10, JJJ 6
Rowsey 28, Howard 12
If I were the coach I might sit him out for the DePaul game. Let him clear his mind. Sometime when you want solve a problem or correct something you have to stop and take a time out. This is not playing mind games with a kid. I would also have him work with Todd over the summer. He just does not to seem be as strong as the players he is up against.
I am not a coach, but do they actually sit down with each player one on one and go over film with them to teach them how to adjust?
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You don't sit a kid with confidence issues to try and get him out of a slump. That will only compound it.
I am fine with reducing minutes, and using him in spots where he can get going a bit. But a benching would be a terrible idea.
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You don't sit a kid with confidence issues to try and get him out of a slump. That will only compound it.
I am fine with reducing minutes, and using him in spots where he can get going a bit. But a benching would be a terrible idea.
I am old school. He is only a soph. Looking for long term success.
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Wow, funny how fast this board flips on DW. I'm still a big DW fan, and would like to see him get more minutes and have the ball in his hands more often, provided he's healthy. Not so much as a criticism of how things have gone, I just think its a data point that it can't hurt to have at this point.
I think DW is neck-and-neck with JjJ as the best creator on the team and is as good a defender as anyone else in the backcourt (provided, he's got to be healthy for those to be true). I still think the system doesn't fit him nearly as well as Buzz's would have, but with the team in a slump, I think the entire group would gain a lot of confidence in having DW empowered by Wojo to take the reins a bit. This board likes to shake its fist at the sky and scream about senior leadership a lot, but I think DW is the guy that a lot of the team looks to.
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You don't sit a kid with confidence issues to try and get him out of a slump. That will only compound it.
I am fine with reducing minutes, and using him in spots where he can get going a bit. But a benching would be a terrible idea.
This summer, he needs to tie his left hand behind his back or something to force him to use his right hand more. Basically, the defense is forcing him to go right and staying on his left hand when he gets near the basket. St. Johns took it a step further and just stripped the ball from him.
As for the broader topic, playing rotation should be based on the opponent. St. John's is a very tough matchup for us because they are quicker and bigger that we are all over the floor. I know Luke is "bigger" than St. Johns bigs, but they are much quicker, and better and quicker jumpers so he doesn't play bigger. We don't have a good balance to counter-act that. I personally would have maxed minutes for Reinhardt and Wilson last night, and lowered Cheatham and JJJ, but it wouldn't have made a difference. We don't have a rotation that would have won last night's game, based on where we are right now. To maximize Rowsey and Howard, we need a good, big, steady PG. Unfortunately, we don't have one of those and we don't have a PF, either. That makes it tough for us to match up with some teams. I think Traci Carter's minutes would have gradually reduced had he stayed, but last night was a night were he would have played 20 minutes and been a big help.
Besides all that, St. John's were on top of their game last night, too. Add it up and its a rough night.
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Wait. Tell me who's hot, how many fouls Luke has at half, and if KR has made at least 2 3's by half.
Exactly. One of the dumbest thread topics going back to the original Ahoya board. It's about Fonk trouble, matchups, injuries, practice performance and other factors. But hey, we all know more than Wojo and the staff, right?
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I think Wojo has done great with the minutes. HC was tough to watch last night and he was benched for a bit. Seems like the guys understand if they aren't playing well there's another option to try behind them. Not ideal if the backup option isn't working that well, but I like that the guys sort of know if they suck it up they are coming out.
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Per the guidance of statistical guru, Henry Sugar, I use a spread sheet to track 5 game moving averages for o-rating. A way of seeing who has been hot recently. Using those averages, here is what the "Who's hot" lineup would be:
Starters:
Rowsey: 147.2
Jajuan: 96.2
Katin: 114.8
Hauser: 141.9
Luke: 130.6
Bench:
Cheatham: 90.0
Howard: 79.1
Heldt: 77.2
Wilson: 56.1
What this shows is that offense has slowed down. Sammy and Rowsey are significantly above their season averages. Katin is a little above his season average. Luke is right at his. JJJ is a little below his. Everyone else is way below their season average.
The player who has taken the biggest drop? Duane. His season average is 109.6, a full 53.5 points higher than where he is know. His usage is pretty low though, so the impact isn't as great. The biggest impact is Markus. He has played a full 38.1 points lower than his season average of 117.2. He also has double the usage of Duane. Getting Markus back on track might be the quickest way to jump start the offense.
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Because despite what Duane did 2 seasons ago he has not been good this season. By any statistical measure.
Well...he has his highest offensive efficiency this year by a wide margin, best career turnover rate, best 2PFG%, the problem is he's been inconsistent if anything. He's been decent defensively (definitely better than some), was very good against Villanova, has shown himself versatile enough to handle the 1 or 2 at times.
He accepted a lesser role without complaint as well, even embracing it. Not a lot of players would happily do that.
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I wonder if at this point in the season Markus might be a little homesick, and that is why he has been struggling. He's 17..so I'd say it'd be a normal thing. Saw a tweet a few days ago where his GF is coming to visit sometime this month....not sure what to think of that..it could either help him immensely, or it could make him struggle even more.
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Well...he has his highest offensive efficiency this year by a wide margin, best career turnover rate, best 2PFG%, the problem is he's been inconsistent if anything. He's been decent defensively (definitely better than some), was very good against Villanova, has shown himself versatile enough to handle the 1 or 2 at times.
He accepted a lesser role without complaint as well, even embracing it. Not a lot of players would happily do that.
He's currently last on the team in o-rating over the last 5 games. He's second to last on the team for o-rating for the season. I'm sorry but the kid is having a rough year. His defense seems to be good.
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He's currently last on the team in o-rating over the last 5 games. He's second to last on the team for o-rating for the season. I'm sorry but the kid is having a rough year. His defense seems to be good.
Last in O-rating the past 5 games isn't the same as "...he has not been good this season. By any statistical measure."
He's adjusted to a new, lesser role and despite a recent dip, has done rather well on the whole. Defense is good, and he's been opportunistic on offense without trying to overly force things. Duane's past 5 games haven't been as bad as Katin's first 13, and I don't hear anyone saying he hasn't been any good this season.
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There is no reason for Cheatham to be getting more than 10 minutes. This isn't Bruce Bowen. Cartwright had 18, most of which came in the second half on him. Brunson has 19 on him. Foster had 30 on him. Baldwin had 18 on him. Did a great job on Cain. Rodriguez had 30 on him. Brunson has 16 on him. Did a great job on Rodriguez. Did a great job on Peak. Tonight just his turnovers alone gave up 10 fast break points, so even if he was shutting someone down he gave it back right there alone.
Hate to rag on a kid but he's hurting the team right now.
Love the kid but you're dead right.
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Last in O-rating the past 5 games isn't the same as "...he has not been good this season. By any statistical measure."
He's adjusted to a new, lesser role and despite a recent dip, has done rather well on the whole. Defense is good, and he's been opportunistic on offense without trying to overly force things. Duane's past 5 games haven't been as bad as Katin's first 13, and I don't hear anyone saying he hasn't been any good this season.
You missed the second part where I said his season o rating is second worst on the team.
I included the last five games to show that it's not like he's on an upward trajectory
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You missed the second part where I said his season o rating is second worst on the team.
I included the last five games to show that it's not like he's on an upward trajectory
He has been fighting through the groin injury the last 8 games. I doubt his is a candidate for a span of continued extended minutes.
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He has been fighting through the groin injury the last 8 games. I doubt his is a candidate for a span of continued extended minutes.
Another reason why he isn't the answer right now.
I love Duane. I love his toughness. I love his willingness to play a role. But we have backup qb syndrome right now.
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Another reason why he isn't the answer right now.
I love Duane. I love his toughness. I love his willingness to play a role. But we have backup qb syndrome right now.
No we don't. We have "Cheatham is hurting more than he's helping" syndrome right now.
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It's Depaul next... start the guys who were hustling and getting us back into the last game:
Duane
Heldt
Rowsey
Hauser
anyone but Cheatham, probably JJJ.
I'm not saying anyone gets less minutes, just shake things up and send a message.
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The only comments I will make is that Duane needs to see the court more than Haanif, and we need Rowsey out there at least 25+ minutes a game.
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No we don't. We have "Cheatham is hurting more than he's helping" syndrome right now.
And you think a worse player on the bench would do better. That's backup qb syndrome. Ners used to set the same thing about Derrick. It was true but didn't mean John Dawson was the better option.
Cheatham has been better over the last three games than Howard has. Why are there no calls to bench Howard?
Cheatham has some terrible turnovers last game. But he was attacking the basket with confidence and getting to the foul line. He even swished a three. That was his worst turnover game of the season, an outlier. If he doesn't continue that trend then he will continue to be one of our five best players.
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And you think a worse player on the bench would do better. That's backup qb syndrome. Ners used to set the same thing about Derrick. It was true but didn't mean John Dawson was the better option.
Cheatham has been better over the last three games than Howard has. Why are there no calls to bench Howard?
Cheatham has some terrible turnovers last game. But he was attacking the basket with confidence and getting to the foul line. He even swished a three. That was his worst turnover game of the season, an outlier. If he doesn't continue that trend then he will continue to be one of our five best players.
He was also 3-7 when he did get to the line and missed what could've been some pretty important free throws down the stretch of the Nova game. He missed a breakaway layup that would've sealed the at Seton Hall game. He's in his own head. Instead of looking to finish a play, he hopes he gets fouled or has a wide open teammate that will take the layup for him (think that was the home Seton Hall game).
If Cheatham is one of our five best players we are in some big trouble.
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Cheatham has been better over the last three games than Howard has. Why are there no calls to bench Howard?
Because Howard is actually getting benched.
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Howard is benching himself. And Rowsey is stepping up.
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If Cheatham or Howard see their minutes significantly cut with much more immediate than their long term development in mind, we're losing the forest from the trees. Now please don't take that to an unreasonable extreme and say "Oh well if its a close game with three minutes to go and one is playing poorly, you want them in no matter what?" No, of course not. But the development of those two are so, so crucial to the future of this team, that giving them the time to play and mature through it is every bit as important as finding a couple extra minutes for KR. Its an imperfect science based on gameflow, but as a general rule, I don't want to see HC or MH lose significant time (particularly in the first 3/4 of a game).
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Looking at his game log, the minutes he is playing seems to mirror his production. Just like any other player.
Against St. Johns for instance, JJJ did his usual "hey I'm going to drive into nowhere" thing and went 1/6 playing terrible defense in the process. Duane got in early trouble and scored 1 point in 17 minutes of action.
So I can see why Wojo felt that, despite his five turnovers, Haanif was one of the five best players available at the end of the game.
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If Cheatham or Howard see their minutes significantly cut with much more immediate than their long term development in mind, we're losing the forest from the trees. Now please don't take that to an unreasonable extreme and say "Oh well if its a close game with three minutes to go and one is playing poorly, you want them in no matter what?" No, of course not. But the development of those two are so, so crucial to the future of this team, that giving them the time to play and mature through it is every bit as important as finding a couple extra minutes for KR. Its an imperfect science based on gameflow, but as a general rule, I don't want to see HC or MH lose significant time (particularly in the first 3/4 of a game).
This isn't professional sports. You play to win this year, every single year. Sure, if we're playing SIUE in November and we're down 4 15 minutes into the game you don't sit everyone but the seniors to make sure you don't lose. But we're in the middle of BE play and we're sitting at 5-5 and squarely on the bubble. If Katin is playing well (like he did for a stretch of a number of straight games) and Cheatham is playing poorly for a stretch (like he has for much of the BE season) then I'm all for Katin getting as many minutes as possible while he's being productive and if that cuts into Cheatham's minutes then so be it.
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Right now, the players are dictating their playing time. Wojo is riding the hot hand more than he has previously. But, against SJU, down 17, when there wasn't a hot hand, he rewarded effort and hustle. Luke and JjJ rode the pine. Markus, who was just having a bad night, rode the pine. KR, on the cold side of his hot and cold self, rode the pine. The 5 who were out there were the ones playing the hardest on both ends. Sadly, HC's slump reached epic, comical proportions. But it wasn't for lack of effort. The lack of effort was sitting.
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He was also 3-7 when he did get to the line and missed what could've been some pretty important free throws down the stretch of the Nova game. He missed a breakaway layup that would've sealed the at Seton Hall game. He's in his own head. Instead of looking to finish a play, he hopes he gets fouled or has a wide open teammate that will take the layup for him (think that was the home Seton Hall game).
If Cheatham is one of our five best players we are in some big trouble.
FT% no matta. Getting to the line is more important. Missed FTs happen, still a more efficient possession then most.
He finished a hard layup for an and 1, confidently stroked a corner 3, and drew four fouls. That's a good offensive game....minus the three horrendous turnovers (and 2 normal turnovers). Given that he's been strong with the ball all season, I'm assuming those are an outlier but if they aren't then he needs to get benched.
As of late, I would agree that Haanie isn't in our top 5. We have a good top 4 with Rowsey, Hauser, Katin, and Luke (though Katins had two off nights in a row). We need a fifth player to step up because JJJ, Hannie, Howard, and Duane have all been meh recently.I would love if JJJ finished the same way he finished conference play last season.
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This isn't professional sports. You play to win this year, every single year. Sure, if we're playing SIUE in November and we're down 4 15 minutes into the game you don't sit everyone but the seniors to make sure you don't lose. But we're in the middle of BE play and we're sitting at 5-5 and squarely on the bubble. If Katin is playing well (like he did for a stretch of a number of straight games) and Cheatham is playing poorly for a stretch (like he has for much of the BE season) then I'm all for Katin getting as many minutes as possible while he's being productive and if that cuts into Cheatham's minutes then so be it.
I largely agree that the circumstances of each game are going to dictate this most of the time. And I think Wojo has done a really great job juggling personnel all year. But on the relative cost-benefit scale of what you sacrifice to win this year, I see a lot of this year's successes as gravy. This feels like a really important time in Haani's development in particular, and if there is any zero-sum game aspect to allocating minutes vs St. Johns this week vs him being the glue guy this time next year or two years from now, I would hate to see us cash any of those chips now, is all.
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I largely agree that the circumstances of each game are going to dictate this most of the time. And I think Wojo has done a really great job juggling personnel all year. But on the relative cost-benefit scale of what you sacrifice to win this year, I see a lot of this year's successes as gravy. This feels like a really important time in Haani's development in particular, and if there is any zero-sum game aspect to allocating minutes vs St. Johns this week vs him being the glue guy this time next year or two years from now, I would hate to see us cash any of those chips now, is all.
That's all well and good but what if making the tourney this year leaves a huge impression on future recruits? What if NOT making it does the same?
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Per the guidance of statistical guru, Henry Sugar, I use a spread sheet to track 5 game moving averages for o-rating. A way of seeing who has been hot recently. Using those averages, here is what the "Who's hot" lineup would be:
Starters:
Rowsey: 147.2
Jajuan: 96.2
Katin: 114.8
Hauser: 141.9
Luke: 130.6
I can not imagine that this is anything but offense....
I am assuming their is no negative for "poor defense" or "turnovers".....
That would put JJ in a totally different light.....
Bench:
Cheatham: 90.0
Howard: 79.1
Heldt: 77.2
Wilson: 56.1
What this shows is that offense has slowed down. Sammy and Rowsey are significantly above their season averages. Katin is a little above his season average. Luke is right at his. JJJ is a little below his. Everyone else is way below their season average.
The player who has taken the biggest drop? Duane. His season average is 109.6, a full 53.5 points higher than where he is know. His usage is pretty low though, so the impact isn't as great. The biggest impact is Markus. He has played a full 38.1 points lower than his season average of 117.2. He also has double the usage of Duane. Getting Markus back on track might be the quickest way to jump start the offense.
I am assuming that their is no component for "poor defense" or "turnovers" just offense efficiency.....
Because if you factored those in.....One of the starters becomes the biggest liability on the team.....
The one who had 6 of 11 of the turnovers in the Providence game.....
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I am assuming that their is no component for "poor defense" or "turnovers" just offense efficiency.....
Because if you factored those in.....One of the starters becomes the biggest liability on the team.....
Defense no. But turnovers are included in offensive efficiency. I assume you are talking about JJJ. As noted, JJJ is the worst of the 5 starters in this "who's hot" lineup. The fact that he made the top 5 with an o-rating of 96.2 is very concerning. That's why we've lost the last two IMHO, because the offense stalled not because of the defense. Need someone of JJJ, Haanie, Howard, or Wilson to get their butt in gear. Katin has slumped the last two too.
For defense there is d-rating, but I don't find it particularly accurate. It relies almost solely on steals and blocks. So JJJ actually leads the team in D-rating by a significant amount.
The one who had 6 of 11 of the turnovers in the Providence game.....
Who are you talking about? There were only 8 turnovers total in the Providence game. No one had more than 2....I also think the only player to ever get 6 turnovers in game is Howard against St. John's.
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So, how pissed is Wojo? Will he start the 5 who played hard down the stretch against SJU? REALLY send a message about competing?
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So, how pissed is Wojo? Will he start the 5 who played hard down the stretch against SJU? REALLY send a message about competing?
Was curious about this. Luke got sat in the second half but I thought he was competing just fine. Did anyone see why Luke got benched? I thought maybe Heldt was just better at the 2-3.
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So, how pissed is Wojo? Will he start the 5 who played hard down the stretch against SJU? REALLY send a message about competing?
Wouldn't surprise me. He could make them wear the Villanova t-shirt for shootaround!