1. I counted 7 fouls on SJU, two travels, one over and back, all not called in the first half. Not to mention that Sam finally drew a charge and got called for a foul. First half only. It evened out somewhat in the second.
2. Weak with the ball, less aggressive, less athletic, slower, softer. Other than that.....
3. HC turning his back to a defender at mid-court. What could possibly go wrong? Missing that sure FT stroke.
4. Duane, quit making dumb fouls. There are minutes to be had.
5. Poor Sam. That looked brutal.
6. Consistently, SJU drove, got foul calls. MU drove, pump faked, got hit, nothing. SJU just attacked everybody on every play and dared the refs to call it. It worked for them.
7. MU's defense on many of those threes wasn't that bad. SJU just raining.
8. Markus showing he is not yet ready for the NBA. Maybe in 3 years. Scouting report is out on you young man. Better team with Rowsey in the game today. He has already made the adjustments necessary when you are 5'10 and playing high major basketball.
9. Down 17, they finally played with anger and passion. Matt, Sam, HC, Duane suddenly start flinging themselves around. Sadly, Rowsey picked that stretch to go cold.
10. HC was sooooo close and yet sooooo snakebit trying to bring the team back. At least he was playing without fear. Sadly, also without a FT touch or hands.
11. One more loss where an inability to secure a late game rebound is a dagger. Sure, it would have taken an amazing comeback to win, but that defensive stand leading to an offensive rebound for SJU was the final nail. But this team is what it is.
12. Any team that makes it a point of emphasis to attack the rim will beat MU, unless MU is shooting very well. No getting around it.
13. Wojo called the losing streak after the great win. Players gotta make plays.
The door keeps closing with every game MU has played since Nova. Another bad loss. Looks like Nova was the climax of the season. Its a dang shame, because this team is sure fun to watch when its racking up the points.
We do one thing very, very well: Shoot threes. But we are incredibly weak on the boards and an absolutely horrid defensive team. Harry and the two big freshmen better be ready to play 30 minutes every game next year.
Tower, not sure why the majority of your points seem to be blaming refs, but I didn't find that to be the major problem at all.
HC literally stopped us from coming back numerous times. Couldn't rebound, turnovers, horrific ft shooting, list goes on.
He seemed scared to go up to the rim with authority. He was hoping to get fouled and we all saw what happened once at the line.
All I will say is that sucked. I'm pissed. We need to win 4 of our next 5 now. Get us to 9-7 with 3 to go.
Was getting comfortable, and it appears the team was too. We're now back to a legitimate bubble team, but the Nova win can still do us wonders. Need to get to 10 to feel safe.
Anyone defending this loss can go f themselves. this is a an absoulute joke. this team is SCARED. we are NOT a tournament team. I'm sorry,, I guess on to next year
The first half officiating was brutal. I was watching it on DVR and literally stopped it and made a check after every bad call. HC was trying so hard to be the hero tonight and it kept not working. His results sucked, but at least he was screwing up with energy and passion. As opposed to others.
You went way too easy on Cheatham. Even when he had a decent stretch it was head down out of control drives trying to finish with his left hand. First two possessions of the second half, HC gave up two 3's on defense. His defense is not what you and some others seem to think it is.
His turnovers killed the team tonight. Hope is not lost for the kid as it seems more mental than anything but Duane should be getting his minutes for the foreseeable future.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2017, 08:09:33 PM
The first half officiating was brutal. I was watching it on DVR and literally stopped it and made a check after every bad call. HC was trying so hard to be the hero tonight and it kept not working. His results sucked, but at least he was screwing up with energy and passion. As opposed to others.
Agree HC was trying, but he was brutal.
Then again, if you ask me "who else should have taken over?" I would have said "no clue"
At this point its near impossible to predict what will happen, and even more of a futile attempt to even say how many wins MU needs to get into the tournament. The last two games have been atrocious.
Quote from: Johnny B on February 01, 2017, 08:09:24 PM
Anyone defending this loss can go f themselves. this is a an absoulute joke. this team is SCARED. we are NOT a tournament team. I'm sorry,, I guess on to next year
It was a bad game. MU played soft, slow, passion-free until it was too late. When the 3's stop falling and the live ball turnovers start, it sure isn't good.
I'm going to avoid the boards for a bit as people go crazy.
After we beat Nova' and Creighton, people were going crazy saying we were going to win at least 12 conference games. I had cautioned that we are a team that steals a game or two and will give a game or two back.
We stole two and then gave two back. This is a team that is somewhere between a 9-9 and 11-7 team, with 10-8 most likely. We are still on pace.
Win @ Depaul
Win home against Butler
likely lose @ Georgetown
Win home against Xavier
Win home against St. Johns
We are then 9-6, going into the last 3. Win at least 1 of them and we go dancing. Try not to give more than 1 of the above wins away.
Quote from: Johnny B on February 01, 2017, 08:09:24 PM
Anyone defending this loss can go f themselves. this is a an absoulute joke. this team is SCARED. we are NOT a tournament team. I'm sorry,, I guess on to next year
Not sure if it counts as defending (I really am pissed MU lost), but I was worried about SJU more than the other bottom dwellers of the BE.
Yeah I didn't think the refs were a problem either.
Intensity was. As Wojo said in one of his patented "inside the huddles," they were playing scared.
And I'm sorry but Sand-Knit is right about one thing. The lack of consistent leadership from our seniors is a problem. JJJ goes out and plays completely out of control. Luke is soft as a jello mold on the inside. Step up. Play fearless, yet within yourself.
Instead JJJ gets glued to the bench again. Very disappointing.
Quote from: JD on February 01, 2017, 08:11:05 PM
Agree HC was trying, but he was brutal.
Then again, if you ask me "who else should have taken over?" I would have said "no clue"
Exactly. KR was bad tonight. JjJ was brutal tonight. Duane had two early fouls but got extended run in the second. Sam had to take a few minutes to gather himself. HC played as hard as he could but is so freaking snakebit right now that it is painful to watch. But he hasn't quit.
-Marcus to NBA, not. Maybe Ponds/Lovett to NBA, much better freshmen.
-Howard/Cheatham turnovers in backcourt just killed them, lead to layups. Howard with 6, Cheatham with 5. 11 total for starting backcourt is just ridiculous.
-JJJ was 1-6 from field and sat last 18 minutes of game. mmm.........
-KR was 1 for 7
-MU took 32 three point shots
- 7 blocked shots for SJU, along with 9 steals.
Didn't see a ref problem, but saw a dribbling, lazy passing problem based on aggressive defense by SJU
Backcourt turnovers, blocked shots on constant drives, steals and jacking up threes, recipe for disaster.
One good week, then a brutal second week.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 01, 2017, 08:12:54 PM
Yeah I didn't think the refs were a problem either.
Intensity was. As Wojo said in one of his patented "inside the huddles," they were playing scared.
And I'm sorry but Sand-Knit is right about one thing. The lack of consistent leadership from our seniors is a problem. JJJ goes out and plays completely out of control. Luke is soft as a jello mold on the inside. Step up. Play fearless, yet within yourself.
Instead JJJ gets glued to the bench again. Very disappointing.
HC got glued to the bench for an extended period, until JjJ was worse. KR never got going. Luke played slow against faster players. Tonight was bad from the seniors. It was Rowsey, Sam, and........ ummmmmmm.
We miss Traci Carter. No true PG. We lost this game because their guards kept our guards from getting us into our offense.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 01, 2017, 08:12:54 PM
Yeah I didn't think the refs were a problem either.
Intensity was. As Wojo said in one of his patented "inside the huddles," they were playing scared.
And I'm sorry but Sand-Knit is right about one thing. The lack of consistent leadership from our seniors is a problem. JJJ goes out and plays completely out of control. Luke is soft as a jello mold on the inside. Step up. Play fearless, yet within yourself.
Instead JJJ gets glued to the bench again. Very disappointing.
Knit is right about JJ, but if you were wojo, what would you do? Serious question. What is the best way to handle that situation?
We know wojo wants JJ to slash to the basket, but when he does I hold my breath everytime. He's so out of control, and more times then not, it seems like it will be a turnover, or a bad out of control shot.
So how do you fix it? He's a senior, do you make him come in off the bench? Do you just chalk it up to "it is what it is" and wait until next year? Wojo is in a tough spot
At least no one got hurt tonight
Quote from: JD on February 01, 2017, 08:18:33 PM
Knit is right about JJ, but if you were wojo, what would you do? Serious question. What is the best way to handle that situation?
We know wojo wants JJ to slash to the basket, but when he does I hold my breath everytime. He's so out of control, and more times then not, it seems like it will be a turnover, or a bad out of control shot.
So how do you fix it? He's a senior, do you make him come in off the bench? Do you just chalk it up to "it is what it is" and wait until next year? Wojo is in a tough spot
And there is the rub. What are the options if you cut into KR, Luke, and JjJ's minutes? More time for HC. Yeah. More time for Sam? How much more can he handle? More of Markus and Rowsey playing together with Matt in the middle? Ummmmm.... Burn Sacar's redshirt for the last few games and let HIM start? I would love to see Duane play more minutes and perhaps even start, but 3 minutes in, he will have 2 fouls and the other guys will get the last 17 minutes of the half.
Even more interesting was the fact SJU had not won a conference game at the Garden in two full years, well until tonight.
I too will give HC a pass, due to his effort. Hauser, Rowsey, Heldt, HC, and Wilson 5 toughest guys on the team and was happy to see they got the majority of the second half time. We had a nice run and Wojo brought Kaitin n luke back in... Game over
Quote from: JD on February 01, 2017, 08:18:33 PM
Knit is right about JJ, but if you were wojo, what would you do? Serious question. What is the best way to handle that situation?
We know wojo wants JJ to slash to the basket, but when he does I hold my breath everytime. He's so out of control, and more times then not, it seems like it will be a turnover, or a bad out of control shot.
So how do you fix it? He's a senior, do you make him come in off the bench? Do you just chalk it up to "it is what it is" and wait until next year? Wojo is in a tough spot
Well yeah that's the issue. Everyone plays. Everyone has a chance every game to see what they can do so there really is no untested option to go to.
I guess DePaul is kind of a 50-50 chance now.. :( hello NIT
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 01, 2017, 08:17:37 PM
We miss Traci Carter. No true PG. We lost this game because their guards kept our guards from getting us into our offense.
Hmmmm... I'm not one to think that teams need a "true PG," but having him bring up the ball while Markus or Rowsey is playing off the ball is a nice thought.
Remember 5 days ago when everyone was singing KR's praises, that he had turned the corner and was the senior leader the team needed? Ahhhhhh, memories.
Markus may have hit his wall. The team looked better with Rowsey in the game. He has already made the adjustments that Howard still needs to figure. otu.
MU is a jump shooting team that can't rebound or defend. When shots aren't falling, they can't win.
Lost in the ecstasy of the big wins were that MU gave up 94 points, including 54 in 2nd half, against Creighton and that Nova's ice cold 3-point shooting had as much to do with that game's outcome as anything MU did.
Disappointing loss tonight. Better be ready for DePaul this weekend or this season could spiral quickly.
My view from the blue seats:
1. Our offense seems to be: dribble up court and if you don't turn it over, dribble around and then jack up a three.
2. St Johns was bigger, faster, quicker, smarter, better coached, and played with more intensity. Thought we were lucky to get w/i 14.
3. The whole affair was pretty amateurish: an announcer consistently screaming, bad music being played throughout, shooting t-shirts into the crowd, $11.50 for a warm beer. Westminster is next week- hope its a classier affair.
get em next time. Don't get too up when you win or too down when you lose.
Quote from: Mutaman on February 01, 2017, 08:54:47 PM
2. St Johns was bigger, faster, quicker, smarter, better coached, and played with more intensity. Thought we were lucky to get w/i 14.
Ouch. Better coached is a kick in the nuts to
Sam Wojo. I wouldn't go that far.
No gifted athletes on our squad, why think you can win in a playground game? And no true point
guard,awful to watch start to finish!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 01, 2017, 09:02:34 PM
Ouch. Better coached is a kick in the nuts to Sam Wojo. I wouldn't go that far.
First time I've seen St Johns all year and was impressed with Mullin (Although I've always marked out for him): Put the constant pressure on and Marquette didn't know what hit them, Team played with real intensity throughout, Attacked the paint consistently. team does lack fundamentals and would put up a bad three at times when they could have broken it open, but they were well coached.
Wojo's body language when he was walking off the floor looked like I felt. That's 4 straight really bad loses at the Garden. Maybe more, I lost count.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 01, 2017, 08:31:05 PM
Hmmmm... I'm not one to think that teams need a "true PG," but having him bring up the ball while Markus or Rowsey is playing off the ball is a nice thought.
Interesting thinking, Sultan. Traci left because he could not beat out Markus or Rowsey, but wouldn't he be better teamed with either than Cheatham is? He's a much better ball handler, a better on ball defender and the way Haanif is shooting it we wouldn't be giving up scoring punch either. Traci, Howard (or Rowsey), Rhinehardt (or JJJ), Sam and Luke is a better line up than what we've been trotting out there.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 01, 2017, 09:02:34 PM
Ouch. Better coached is a kick in the nuts to Sam Wojo. I wouldn't go that far.
Don't know if Mullin is a much better coach but he already was familiar with the Big East when he got the job. Wojo doesn't have the people he needs to compete with the big boys. He'd better hope next year's class is the answer.
Agree on the Traci talk. There is a place for him on THIS team. Long term he might be forgotten but this team could use him and still have M2NBA or Rowsey off the ball.
Also, if HC is going full yips, then adjustments should be made. I'd live and die with JJJ. All this talk of Hannif's defense, this is the worst MU defensive team in 15+ years. He can't be that great.
Finally, continued to be impressed with the progress of Matt Heldt. Tough kid.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 01, 2017, 09:30:31 PM
Interesting thinking, Sultan. Traci left because he could not beat out Markus or Rowsey, but wouldn't he be better teamed with either than Cheatham is? He's a much better ball handler, a better on ball defender and the way Haanif is shooting it we wouldn't be giving up scoring punch either. Traci, Howard (or Rowsey), Rhinehardt (or JJJ), Sam and Luke is a better line up than what we've been trotting out there.
Quote from: The Lens on February 01, 2017, 09:31:28 PM
Agree on the Traci talk. There is a place for him on THIS team. Long term he might be forgotten but this team could use him and still have M2NBA or Rowsey off the ball.
Also, if HC is going full hope, then adjustments should be made. I'd live and die with JJJ. All this talk of Hannif's defense, this is the worst MU defensive team in 15+ years. He can't be that great.
Finally, continued to be impressed with the progress of Matt Heldt. Tough kid.
This is why I hate mid year transfers. There is so much more of the season to be played. Unless you are truly unhappy, like Luke was apparently at IU, give the season a chance at least. Even in Traci's case, he is going to sit out a year and a half. Why do that when you could have played *this* year?
Even next year with JJJ leaving, there were minutes to be had by Traci.
Quote from: The Lens on February 01, 2017, 09:31:28 PM
Agree on the Traci talk. There is a place for him on THIS team. Long term he might be forgotten but this team could use him and still have M2NBA or Rowsey off the ball.
That's the part that sucks (and I don't understand his mid-year decision). He could still be on THIS team, transfer over the summer, and have the same amount of eligibility left. Best of luck Traci, but we could have used you help still this year.
What Villanova and Creighton giveth, Providence and St. John's takes away.
Ugly game and my fear is this cost us the season.
I can see more teams full court pressing us. We just can't handle the pressure. Every team in conference is just so much more athletic than us.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 01, 2017, 10:20:54 PM
I can see more teams full court pressing us. We just can't handle the pressure. Every team in conference is just so much more athletic than us.
Guards are too small. Need to recruit some taller athletic bigs. But remember Markus Howard is still 17 he can still grow
Performances in single games are not predictive of future success or failure. MU played near their floor tonight. They might play near their ceiling in the next one. Most nights, they will be somewhere in between. Its going to be bumpy, buckle up.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2017, 08:02:50 PM
1. I counted 7 fouls on SJU, two travels, one over and back, all not called in the first half. Not to mention that Sam finally drew a charge and got called for a foul. First half only. It evened out somewhat in the second.
Didn't watch the game, had a tasting for my wedding. Recorded it and watched it when I got home. Unfortunately already had it ruined after a phone call from Dad that started with me saying "Dad I haven't watched it yet please don't say anything." Didn't work.
I looked for this stretch and I saw what you meant. There was about a three minute stretch towards the end of the first half where it seemed like all the calls went against Marquette. Looking at all of them individually, I don't think any were grievously bad calls. Most of them could have gone either way. The worst was the blocking foul on Sam and the missed travel by Owens IMHO. Those two alone were worth 5 points (not including the impact of giving Sam his second foul). Individually, fine with each call, it was tough to see that many calls in a short period go one way. Se la vie.
The last minute of that first half was brutal. I think that really sucked the wind out of our sails. Ponds hits an NBA range 3 (his only one of the night), HC hands Ponds the ball on a silver platter, Markus dribbles the ball off his leg, Markus misses a wide open three and JJJ makes a great take to the bucket but can't get the ball to fall. Rolled everywhere but in.
Thought this loss more than any other was on Wojo. I would have zoned the crap out of SJU. SJU plays street ball and MU wasn't athletic enough to stop it. I understand not wanting to give up the three when SJU was having their best 3P shooting game of conference play, but you need good ball movement and discipline to beat a zone. SJU has neither. I think a zone would have forced SJU to chuck bad three pointers and we could have one the game.
He had a brutal line, but I didn't hate JJJ on offense tonight. Didn't turn the ball over. Made good strong takes to the hoop but it was not his night. The three he missed was wide open. Defense on the other hand....
I said this elsewhere, but I'm fine with Cheatham not being a scorer. But if he can't hang on to the ball, he isn't going to stay on the court.
Heldt looked solid. Liked Luke in the first half.
Katin has had two bad shooting nights in a row. Need him to snap out of it.
Markus can drain the three with the best of them. Has shown some ability to get to the hoop among the trees, but hasn't been successful lately. A piece of his game to definitely work on. Maybe get some tips from Rowsey....why does it seem like Rowsey only goes off in losing efforts?
Hauser also came to play. Really think that he got there in time to draw the charge. If he did, might have changed the whole momentum of the game.
Glad we have Depaul coming up next. There's a chance for a cathartic beatdown. Not a guarenteed win....no game in the BEast is....but I think they could provide an opportunity for our guys to remember what winning feels like.
Forgot to add. MotherFing Kassoum Yakwe. Lit us up for 19 rebounds and 13 blocks in our two regular season games last season. This season, he comes in averaging 3 points a game. Goes off for a season high of 14. Had never reached double digits before. GAH!
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 01, 2017, 10:08:22 PM
What Villanova and Creighton giveth, Providence and St. John's takes away.
Ugly game and my fear is this cost us the season.
Yeah, disappointing. There we were in a position to take care of business, or even drop one we shouldn't, and still probably be dancing. Now we're going to have to snag another that we *should* lose. Of course, even then, I'm not sure we still aren't going to lose another we *should* win. Maddening.
This team, pure and simple, is not very good. They have got to learn that the game is 50 percent defense. I don't even care about the dance because it would be one and done. There's always next year.
Went to the game last night. Obviously was disappointed. I have been watching The Johnnies all year long and was fearful they would pick us to have a good game against. They are very athletic with big league talent at the guard spots. Coach Mullin has worked hard to get his team to play some semblance of a team game and it appeared to come together last night. Clearly our coaching staff didn't have enough of an answer to win a tough Big East road game.
We need to rally the troops against a DePaul team that has played tough all year. Hopefully we will have the Chicago MU contingent out in full force .
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 02, 2017, 12:42:35 AM
Didn't watch the game, had a tasting for my wedding. Recorded it and watched it when I got home. Unfortunately already had it ruined after a phone call from Dad that started with me saying "Dad I haven't watched it yet please don't say anything." Didn't work.
Been there many a times! ;D
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 02, 2017, 12:42:35 AM
Hauser also came to play. Really think that he got there in time to draw the charge. If he did, might have changed the whole momentum of the game.
I thought that Sam's foot was on/inside the semicircle but, as a result of replay angles, I couldn't tell if he got it out in time to be set and draw the charge. Officials will usually point to the semicircle if the player is inside it on a play like that, but I didn't see him do that so maybe it had nothing to do with it. Either way, it was a big call.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 02, 2017, 12:42:35 AM
why does it seem like Rowsey only goes off in losing efforts?
Rowsey in 5 BE wins: 16.0 min, 11.4 pts,
.760/.737/.833 with 5.0 FGA/gm
Rowsey in 5 BE losses: 21.4 min, 12.8 pts, .439/.393/.895 with 8.2 FGA/gm
What this tells me is that when Rowsey is hot, MU wins (nearly 74% from 3! Seriously?!). However, MU struggles when Rowsey is average but needs to be the primary offensive threat. His numbers are still excellent in the losses, but the team is better when someone else carries the load offensively. Rowsey can REALLY shoot it and he's great spotting up or coming off a ball screen, but it's very difficult for a 5'10" shooter to take over and carry a team on his back. He just doesn't have the size to go get a bucket when the team needs one.
Rowsey has far exceeded my expectations this season but he still has his limits. He can be the #2 or #3 scorer but he's just not going to consistently be "the man" on a top-tier Big East team. He's doing his part, but someone else needs to step up.
Hate to say it but HC is this year's chief. His play gets weaker as the season progresses. Perhaps he should sit out the rest of the year. This team is better than it plays. Why Coach?
Did ya barf up da weddin' tastin' after watchin' da team's performance, hey?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 02, 2017, 12:42:35 AM
Thought this loss more than any other was on Wojo. I would have zoned the crap out of SJU. SJU plays street ball and MU wasn't athletic enough to stop it. I understand not wanting to give up the three when SJU was having their best 3P shooting game of conference play, but you need good ball movement and discipline to beat a zone. SJU has neither. I think a zone would have forced SJU to chuck bad three pointers and we could have one the game.
He did go 1-3-1 and it was b-a-d. not sure what the answer would of been but they were getting into the middle at the line and creating easy buckets, just carving that zone up in the early part of the second half on top of having wide open looks from 3. Look, they've got to win 5 more games in conference, which games basically doesn't matter, the season is not over after this one.
Hausers foot was on the arc on the blocking call and we did zone most of the second half. Our zone is even worse than our man , its just nova chose to jack 3s, everyone else has shredded it.
Those who are declaring the season over are cracking me up. I'm sure it's the same folks who were declaring us dead after the MSG tourney ... or after the Wisconsin loss ... or after the SH/Nova losses ... or after the Butler loss. Most of those same fine folks curiously disappeared from these parts after the Creighton and Nova wins. If we go 4-1 over our next 5 games, the same alleged MU fans will disappear again ... except after the loss.
We have the look of a .500 BE team. We can beat Nova but we can lose to St. John's. We can win at Creighton but we can lose at home to Providence. We have a fairly thin margin of error. So 9-9, give or take a win or two, seems about right. Hopefully it's enough for the NCAA.
While I thought we would beat Providence, this St. John's game loomed as very dangerous. Even Wojo talked about the danger of this post-Nova stretch.
Haani has seriously regressed this season. He's been having a crisis of confidence for some time as a shooter, and his ballhandling and decision-making were absolute disasters yesterday. I actually felt sorry for him because his incompetence had to be depressing for him.
Markus has been brought back to earth by the reality of BE hoops. We simply are not good enough to have our guards hand the ball to our opponent on a silver platter a half-dozen times in a game.
I'm really not sure what Wojo could have done to turn this one around. He tried benching Haani, Markus and JJJ for separate spells, but Duane did not have a good game and Katin was having trouble getting away from his defender. After a few good games, Luke was dominated pretty badly in this one.
Wojo went to the same 1-3-1 zone that helped us pull out the Nova game. St. John's, for the most part, handled it well. Credit to them.
Folks can blame the refs all they want, but these Warriors simply can't have live-ball, open-court turnovers like that and win.
Final thought: Sam showed a lot of balls tonight ... even after they were bruised!
SJU more athletic, quicker and fearless. Their young guys are going to be very good. Even JJJ, who is one of our more athletic players was getting his shots stuffed.
We are a one dimensional team, shooting behind the arc. 17 turnovers, brutal. that was a tough game to watch. MU is up against it now as the margin of error is razor thin from here on out. Would not surprise me to see DePaul beat us this weekend.
Reminded me of I think the Mayo game @ Wisconsin, where Buzz said they just out balled them. STJs just out balled MU. They were not the more disciplined, shooting, or coached team (I think), but they just balled out and brought it. Not sure what to think of HC anymore, O-rating stats or otherwise is he really a net positive over the next 3 guys on the bench? I guess it's debatable on any given night, but that was tough to watch.
Still optimistic, NCAA has been barometer for me, 7 seed to 11/12 seed doesn't matter to me. Probably a couple more of these clunkers a long the way. A 2 game winning streak would ease my fears come next Tuesday night.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on February 01, 2017, 10:28:35 PM
Guards are too small. Need to recruit some taller athletic bigs. But remember Markus Howard is still 17 he can still grow
*Drink*
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on February 02, 2017, 10:15:23 AM
Reminded me of I think the Mayo game @ Wisconsin, where Buzz said they just out balled them. STJs just out balled MU. They were not the more disciplined, shooting, or coached team (I think), but they just balled out and brought it. Not sure what to think of HC anymore, O-rating stats or otherwise is he really a net positive over the next 3 guys on the bench? I guess it's debatable on any given night, but that was tough to watch.
Still optimistic, NCAA has been barometer for me, 7 seed to 11/12 seed doesn't matter to me. Probably a couple more of these clunkers a long the way. A 2 game winning streak would ease my fears come next Tuesday night.
We need a win Saturday.
2 or 3 times each year your freshmen are going to sh1t themselves. The best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores. Those that don't crap their pants go to the NBA.
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 02, 2017, 11:11:57 AM
2 or 3 times each year your freshmen are going to sh1t themselves. The best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores. Those that don't crap their pants go to the NBA.
I wish this quote applied to Hanni. His regression has been one for the ages.
Freshman year looked solid, to start this year he looked alright . Then his shot stopped falling, then his defense became suspect, and now the poor kid and even bring the ball up the court (5 TO?)
Get this kid in to see a sports psychologist. I still believe his issue is in his head.
Quote from: LAMUfan on February 02, 2017, 09:26:01 AM
He did go 1-3-1 and it was b-a-d. not sure what the answer would of been but they were getting into the middle at the line and creating easy buckets, just carving that zone up in the early part of the second half on top of having wide open looks from 3. Look, they've got to win 5 more games in conference, which games basically doesn't matter, the season is not over after this one.
This isn't true. I went back and watched. At 14:59 we have a TV timeout. Score is 57-51. Marquette comes out in man. They stay in man until the TV timeout at 11:52. In those 3 minutes and 7 seconds of man defense, St. John's goes on 11-0 run.
Marquette comes back in a zone. Score is 68-51. Over the next 10 minutes of play, St. John's only manages to score 10 points (after scoring 11 in 3 minutes against the man). 5 of those 10 points, they beat the zone. One was an open three pointer to Mussini, the other was a gorgeous take by LoVett. MU played great defense by LoVett just willed it in. The other 5 points were a beyond NBA range three by LoVett and an offensive putback by Ahmed after they forced a bad shot and failed to get the board.
The zone was working but they ran out of time. Had the lead cut to 8 but had to get desperate on offense.
This game was decided by two St. John's runs. The 10-2 run in the last 2 minutes of the first half. And the 11-0 run in the second half. Both featured man defense.
I've been an opponent of the zone all season. I think it hampers our offense and rebounding. But against this opponent, it was the right call.
^ 1 of the announcers even mentioned he thought it was a bad idea switching to the man D at that 57-51 point because of that 10-2 run in the 1st half.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 02, 2017, 01:01:54 PM
This isn't true. I went back and watched. At 14:59 we have a TV timeout. Score is 57-51. Marquette comes out in man. They stay in man until the TV timeout at 11:52. In those 3 minutes and 7 seconds of man defense, St. John's goes on 11-0 run.
Marquette comes back in a zone. Score is 68-51. Over the next 10 minutes of play, St. John's only manages to score 10 points (after scoring 11 in 3 minutes against the man). 5 of those 10 points, they beat the zone. One was an open three pointer to Mussini, the other was a gorgeous take by LoVett. MU played great defense by LoVett just willed it in. The other 5 points were a beyond NBA range three by LoVett and an offensive putback by Ahmed after they forced a bad shot and failed to get the board.
The zone was working but they ran out of time. Had the lead cut to 8 but had to get desperate on offense.
This game was decided by two St. John's runs. The 10-2 run in the last 2 minutes of the first half. And the 11-0 run in the second half. Both featured man defense.
I've been an opponent of the zone all season. I think it hampers our offense and rebounding. But against this opponent, it was the right call.
You are informed about this and I was not. Thanks for setting the record straight, TAMU. I sit corrected!