I don't know how to set up a poll lol. What do you guys think the possibilities are for this team?
Somewhere between "not in the tournament" and National Champs.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 31, 2017, 07:56:05 PM
Somewhere between "not in the tournament" and National Champs.
I think "not in the Tournament" is still included in our possibilities.
Yes. Marquette makes a good run in the NCAA tournament.
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Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 31, 2017, 07:56:05 PM
Somewhere between "not in the tournament" and National Champs.
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Top end: Around a 6 seed in the NCAA tournament and a first round victory.
Bottom end: First round home game loss in the NIT
I say 20 wins and 8/9 seed.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on January 31, 2017, 08:42:07 PM
Top end: Around a 6 seed in the NCAA tournament and a first round victory.
Bottom end: First round home game loss in the NIT
I'd up the top end to a 6 seed and sneaking into the sweet 16 on hot shooting from M2N and company.
But essentially this nails it.
Was just in Vegas. Put some money down on Marquette to win it all. Odds were only 120-1. Not bad.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=53377.0
I think it's funny to that everybody expects us to make a run in the tournament. Wades first team couldn't, the big three and Zar couldn't for 5yrs, maybe we win the first round game but unless we pull and unreal performance I don't see us in the sweet 16
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on February 01, 2017, 07:17:35 AM
I think it's funny to that everybody expects us to make a run in the tournament. Wades first team couldn't, the big three and Zar couldn't for 5yrs, maybe we win the first round game but unless we pull and unreal performance I don't see us in the sweet 16
That is one of the reasons I was so dissappointed in not making the NIT last year. Young teams without tournament experience just do not realize how much the intensity ratches up in an one & done tournament game. You also need to adjust to the referees, which may have a style that is diffenent than Big East officials. I could see MU getting to the Sweet 16, if they survive the first round game. I just do not think they will be ready enough to win the first round game.
11 seed. One and done.
If we get our job done during the regular season by going 7-2 or maybe even 8-1. Then making a solid run in the BETourney i feel like we will make the tourney as a 6-8 seed but no run. We are just too young.
Not 'too young'. Too inexperienced in that situation.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on January 31, 2017, 08:42:07 PM
Top end: Around a 6 seed in the NCAA tournament and a first round victory.
Bottom end: First round home game loss in the NIT
This.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on January 31, 2017, 08:42:07 PM
Top end: Around a 6 seed in the NCAA tournament and a first round victory.
Bottom end: First round home game loss in the NIT
How would we get to the "Top End"
Somewhere between a 9 seed and the NIT......
Tonight we need to respond.....
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on February 01, 2017, 08:44:34 AM
How would we get to the "Top End"
MU goes 8-1 down the stretch with no "bad losses" (22-8 / 13-5) and at least gets to the BET title game (24-9 or 25-8). They'd likely have an RPI in the mid-20s plus some additional quality W's along the way. That earns a 6-seed.
This team has the "potential" to win some games in the NCAA tournament. That doesn't mean I "expect" them to.
They could also get bounced first game. They could also somehow end up 8-10 in conference and miss the tournament all together (although I see that as pretty unlikely, and I think we'd still get consideration at 9-9 as we now have pretty much the best win among possible bubble teams).
That is life with a team that is so reliant on shooting the 3. But if this team gets hot at the right time, I can tell you what, no one is going to want to get paired in MU's region in the tourney. A bunch of these teams will have not sniffed scoring 90 points in a game against a high major, let alone consistently.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 01, 2017, 09:21:04 AM
This team has the "potential" to win some games in the NCAA tournament. That doesn't mean I "expect" them to.
They could also get bounced first game. They could also somehow end up 8-10 in conference and miss the tournament all together (although I see that as pretty unlikely, and I think we'd still get consideration at 9-9 as we now have pretty much the best win among possible bubble teams).
That is life with a team that is so reliant on shooting the 3. But if this team gets hot at the right time, I can tell you what, no one is going to want to get paired in MU's region in the tourney. A bunch of these teams will have not sniffed scoring 90 points in a game against a high major, let alone consistently.
Yep. We've put some real high scores up against some good solid D's.
That said, we've also lost some games because of late collapses where our shot stops dropping and our D continues to be horrible.
Here's hoping for an 7-9 seed. That would be more than successful for this season for me.
Also agree that 9-9 still gets us in as a 9 or a 10 without having to "play in". (Assuming none of the losses are SJU or Depaul)
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 01, 2017, 09:21:04 AM
This team has the "potential" to win some games in the NCAA tournament. That doesn't mean I "expect" them to.
They could also get bounced first game. They could also somehow end up 8-10 in conference and miss the tournament all together (although I see that as pretty unlikely, and I think we'd still get consideration at 9-9 as we now have pretty much the best win among possible bubble teams).
That is life with a team that is so reliant on shooting the 3. But if this team gets hot at the right time, I can tell you what, no one is going to want to get paired in MU's region in the tourney. A bunch of these teams will have not sniffed scoring 90 points in a game against a high major, let alone consistently.
if we get hot it will be a bad day for the team we play
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 01, 2017, 09:06:17 AM
MU goes 8-1 down the stretch with no "bad losses" (22-8 / 13-5) and at least gets to the BET title game (24-9 or 25-8). They'd likely have an RPI in the mid-20s plus some additional quality W's along the way. That earns a 6-seed.
I certainly don't know this, but if we go into the tournament at 24-9 (which would include a BET final loss to, presumably, Nova, and a 2nd place finish in the BE regular season, because nobody is finishing with less than 5 losses other than Nova), I'm thinking that's more of a 4 seed than a 6 seed in the NCAA Tournament the way this season is going in college basketball as a whole. There are a lot of losses still to happen for teams between 15 and 50 in the NCAA this year (just look at last week). If we go 10-2 from now until the start of the NCAA Tournament we're jumping up big time I think, and right now it appears we're in the 8-9 seed range.
Quote from: Marquette4life on January 31, 2017, 07:27:35 PM
I don't know how to set up a poll lol. What do you guys think the possibilities are for this team?
At the top of the thread page right next to the button for New Topic is a button for New Poll.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 01, 2017, 09:35:46 AM
I certainly don't know this, but if we go into the tournament at 24-9 (which would include a BET final loss to, presumably, Nova, and a 2nd place finish in the BE regular season, because nobody is finishing with less than 5 losses other than Nova), I'm thinking that's more of a 4 seed than a 6 seed in the NCAA Tournament the way this season is going in college basketball as a whole. There are a lot of losses still to happen for teams between 15 and 50 in the NCAA this year (just look at last week). If we go 10-2 from now until the start of the NCAA Tournament we're jumping up big time I think, and right now it appears we're in the 8-9 seed range.
Out of curiosity, I ran RPI Wizard. I gave us all wins except a loss at Xavier. Then I gave us wins over Seton Hall and Butler in the BEast before losing to Villanova. That gets us to 24-9 with an RPI of 25 and an SOS of 36. My gut would tell me that's a 5 seed resume. Maybe a 4.
Purely academic of course. I think the BEast is too chaotic for us to finish 8-1.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 01, 2017, 11:25:47 AM
Out of curiosity, I ran RPI Wizard. I gave us all wins except a loss at Xavier. Then I gave us wins over Seton Hall and Butler in the BEast before losing to Villanova. That gets us to 24-9 with an RPI of 25 and an SOS of 36. My gut would tell me that's a 5 seed resume. Maybe a 4.
Purely academic of course. I think the BEast is too chaotic for us to finish 8-1.
That would be awesome, but it isn't realistic. There are going to be nights that the shots aren't falling and MU's defense simply isn't good enough to win games.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2017, 11:27:41 AM
That would be awesome, but it isn't realistic. There are going to be nights that the shots aren't falling and MU's defense simply isn't good enough to win games.
Agree completely. It was an entirely academic exercise.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 31, 2017, 08:02:59 PM
I think "not in the Tournament" is still included in our possibilities.
So do I.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 01, 2017, 02:33:38 PM
So do I.
Got it. I read it as somewhere in the tournament but not national champion.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 01, 2017, 11:25:47 AM
Out of curiosity, I ran RPI Wizard. I gave us all wins except a loss at Xavier. Then I gave us wins over Seton Hall and Butler in the BEast before losing to Villanova. That gets us to 24-9 with an RPI of 25 and an SOS of 36. My gut would tell me that's a 5 seed resume. Maybe a 4.
Purely academic of course. I think the BEast is too chaotic for us to finish 8-1.
Just for comparison...
Last season Iowa went 21-10, had an RPI of 28, a SOS of 32, 4 top 25 W's and got a 7-seed.
The year before, West Virginia went 23-9, had an RPI of 24, a SOS of 39, 2 top 25 W's and got a 5-seed.
In 2013-14, UConn went 26-8, had an RPI of 23 and a SOS of 34, 3 top 25 W's and got a 7-seed (and won the NC).
In 2012-13, VCU went 26-8, had an RPI of 24, a SOS of 33, 3 top 25 W's and got a 5-seed.
In 2011-12, Florida went 23-10, had an RPI of 24, a SOS of 24, 2 top 25 W's and got a 7-seed.
Given the pattern, it looks like MU would be a 5-seed with that resume ;)
Quote from: wadesworld on February 01, 2017, 09:35:46 AM
I certainly don't know this, but if we go into the tournament at 24-9 (which would include a BET final loss to, presumably, Nova, and a 2nd place finish in the BE regular season, because nobody is finishing with less than 5 losses other than Nova), I'm thinking that's more of a 4 seed than a 6 seed in the NCAA Tournament the way this season is going in college basketball as a whole. There are a lot of losses still to happen for teams between 15 and 50 in the NCAA this year (just look at last week). If we go 10-2 from now until the start of the NCAA Tournament we're jumping up big time I think, and right now it appears we're in the 8-9 seed range.
Hell... a mid 20's RPI with a handful of quality W's (and no bad losses) might get you a 3 or 4 seed this year.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 01, 2017, 02:36:17 PM
Got it. I read it as somewhere in the tournament but not national champion.
You read it right, he wrote it wrong.