There was an article today saying they're shutting him down for surgery because of a torn something or other. Could decimate Xavier if true and leave no 2 or 3 spot open for the taking.
He has had a torn labrum in his left shoulder for awhile now
Could be very interesting. X is already reeling, having lost 4/5. Their resume is NCAA quality, but maybe not as good as it once looked, with Clemson as the best win and Georgetown the best road win. Freshman Quentin Goodin is a big step down, and I'm not sure Macura or Blueitt would be better as the point. It sure feels like the fight for the top-three in the league is us, Nova, and Butler at this point.
I never wish ill or injuries on another team or player, but....... wow, the way the pieces are falling into place, a surprisingly high finish is there for the taking if the team steps up.
Always hate to see kids on other teams get injured, but it's a part of the game MU fans know well. We certainly have a chance to make some noise this year. My, how things have changed in a week....
I'm not seeing anything on the possibility?
Poked my head over on the X boards, the fans seem to think it is a real possibility. He's been playing hurt for awhile and it might end up affecting his draft status. Might want to get healthy in time for the draft.
I am starting to fret the NCAA tournament from a Big East perspective. Watson down now Sumner is not good. Ugh. Going to a tough going for the Big East me thinks.
MU is #4 in the country right now in offense....
when Wojo fixes up that D right before the BET... we will be a sweet 16 team for sure... (insert hopefulness here)
so I'm not too worried about the BEast's presence in the NCAA's this year.
;D
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 28, 2017, 12:07:53 PM
I am starting to fret the NCAA tournament from a Big East perspective. Watson down now Sumner is not good. Ugh. Going to a tough going for the Big East me thinks.
Yah, it's unfortunate.
I still think the Big East has 3 teams capable of deep runs given the right draw.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 28, 2017, 12:25:25 PM
I still think the Big East has 3 teams capable of deep runs given the right draw.
Us, Nova and who else?
Absolutely horrible OP, but tonight... may have jinxed him, a''Ina?
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 29, 2017, 07:31:14 PM
Absolutely horrible OP, but tonight... may have jinxed him, a''Ina?
That looked ugly, hope it is just a hyper extension
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 29, 2017, 07:31:14 PM
Absolutely horrible OP, but tonight... may have jinxed him, a''Ina?
How was it horrible? I didn't say I wanted the kid injured. Nobody deserves injury, I was commenting on the state of the league being blown open.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on January 29, 2017, 09:36:55 PM
How was it horrible? I didn't say I wanted the kid injured. Nobody deserves injury, I was commenting on the state of the league being blown open.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/xavier-might-have-lost-starting-point-guard-edmond-sumner-for-the-season/
They did feature on Sumner on Fox Sports 1 and he is a very good kid . A computer science major. Hope is not done for the year.
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 29, 2017, 07:40:03 PM
That looked ugly, hope it is just a hyper extension
thats what it looked like when i saw the video
Quote from: MU82 on January 28, 2017, 10:36:53 PM
Us, Nova and who else?
Butler. I know they're on the heels of a bad loss at home and have been shaky in away games, but they've been a good neutral court team, play smart, complete games, and don't have any glaring deficiencies.
I see Butler and Nova as the only teams that can make the second weekend. I see Nova as the only team that can make it past the S16.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 30, 2017, 06:27:41 AM
I see Butler and Nova as the only teams that can make the second weekend. I see Nova as the only team that can make it past the S16.
If we string together two good shooting nights, we could make the second weekend, we could also get bounced in Dayton. As far as Butler, I like Holtmann's chances against almost anyone given a week to prepare. Think they can make the Elite 8, but could struggle with the quick turnaround.
"I never want to see opposing teams lose their best player, but . . ."
You can just stop that sentence after the comma.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 30, 2017, 08:01:37 AM
If we string together two good shooting nights, we could make the second weekend, we could also get bounced in Dayton. As far as Butler, I like Holtmann's chances against almost anyone given a week to prepare. Think they can make the Elite 8, but could struggle with the quick turnaround.
This. A high-powered offense is not the team you want to play in March... especially one that goes 9-deep on its bench and doesn't have many guys going over 30 MPG in conference play. Avoid the 7-10 seed lines, and a S16 could be just as likely as a nosedive in Dayton.
Quote from: Benny B on January 30, 2017, 09:22:29 AM
This. A high-powered offense is not the team you want to play in March... especially one that goes 9-deep on its bench and doesn't have many guys going over 30 MPG in conference play. Avoid the 7-10 seed lines, and a S16 could be just as likely as a nosedive in Dayton.
If are 3s don't fall we will be out right away but if they do...now we are talking. Also we need to play with high energy every game not just when we play top 10 teams
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 29, 2017, 07:40:03 PM
That looked ugly, hope it is just a hyper extension
If that is just a hyper extension he is the luckiest guy alive. Looked terrible, would be nearly miraculous if nothing is torn.
Quote from: forgetful on January 30, 2017, 10:17:51 AM
If that is just a hyper extension he is the luckiest guy alive. Looked terrible, would be nearly miraculous if nothing is torn.
You're not kidding.
Yikes...knees aren't supposed to do that.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 30, 2017, 12:39:32 PM
Yikes...knees aren't supposed to do that.
Sumner also has very skinny legs. Not sure how that would impact severity of potential injury.
Torn ACL. The worst.
It's official: https://twitter.com/slrussell/status/826158649802358785
Done for season.
Get the shoulder fixed at the same time. Good luck, young man.
Damn that sucks. Best of luck to the kid
A really great kid , hate to see this happen to anyone. Hopefully they fix his shoulder too , as that was in bad shape. Recovering from both is going to take a long time.
That's a damn shame. Hate to see it. Will likely return to X next year now, I imagine.
Quote from: TexMex on January 30, 2017, 12:17:58 PM
You're not kidding.
Even one of the announcers said, "I don't want to see that replay again."
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 30, 2017, 04:39:45 PM
Even one of the announcers said, "I don't want to see that replay again."
Brutal looking, don't want to see it again.....hopefully he comes back well, he's a fun player to watch hoop
He is such a good kid and player. Hope he comes back next season even better
Feel bad for the kid. Has some real NBA potential, hopefully this doesn't set him back too far.
With him out, is MU favored in every matchup the rest of the season?
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on January 31, 2017, 10:53:40 AM
With him out, is MU favored in every matchup the rest of the season?
No, because the computer metrics don't realize he's out yet.
Damn. That's two of the league's best players. NEVER want to see athletes get hurt.
Quote from: jsglow on January 31, 2017, 10:57:49 AM
Damn. That's two of the league's best players. NEVER want to see athletes get hurt.
Super bummer really. Going to maybe put a dent in the BEast's performance in the tourney.
Having said that... MU has been there. So we should really maybe try to take advantage of their misfortune.
Hope all the best for them.
Hope even better for us.
Quote from: fjm on January 31, 2017, 11:02:31 AM
Super bummer really. Going to maybe put a dent in our performance in the tourney.
Having said that... MU has been there. So we should really maybe try to take advantage of their misfortune.
Hope all the best for them.
Hope even better for us.
MU guards I felt had no chance to guard him, a real mismatch. Cheatham not quick enough and the other guards to small. MU has a chance to beat them at least
once now, maybe twice. Blueitt (sp) is really a good player, hard to stop him, but much easier without Sumner on the team. X will be challenged now.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on January 31, 2017, 11:15:30 AM
MU guards I felt had no chance to guard him, a real mismatch. Cheatham not quick enough and the other guards to small. MU has a chance to beat them at least
once now, maybe twice. Blueitt (sp) is really a good player, hard to stop him, but much easier without Sumner on the team. X will be challenged now.
And that other guard they had transferred, Myles Davis
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on January 31, 2017, 11:18:16 AM
And that other guard they had transferred, Myles Davis
Davis did not transfer, graduated. Wants to get on in his life I guess? I would think they would beg him to comeback.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on January 31, 2017, 11:25:05 AM
Davis did not transfer, graduated. Wants to get on in his life I guess? I would think they would beg him to comeback.
I'm not so sure about that. I don't think he left on the best of terms considering he was a few weeks removed from returning from suspension when he bolted again. Pretty sure the departure was in all parties' best interests.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on January 31, 2017, 11:25:05 AM
I would think they would beg him to comeback.
I don't think they'd take Davis back if he begged them!
Quote from: fjm on January 31, 2017, 11:02:31 AM
Having said that... MU has been there. So we should really maybe try to take advantage of their misfortune.
Hope all the best for them.
Hope even better for us.
Again, the misfortune of other teams ought not to be something MU can "take advantage of" or is "better for us."
It's just plain $h*tty for all involved. It's not an opportunity.
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 31, 2017, 11:27:58 AM
I'm not so sure about that. I don't think he left on the best of terms considering he was a few weeks removed from returning from suspension when he bolted again. Pretty sure the departure was in all parties' best interests.
My initial thought was that this was pretty dead on, but...
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 31, 2017, 11:29:11 AM
I don't think they'd take Davis back if he begged them!
...then I read this and thought rocky summed it up even better ;D
Quote from: MarquetteBallin on January 31, 2017, 01:26:06 PM
Again, the misfortune of other teams ought not to be something MU can "take advantage of" or is "better for us."
It's just plain $h*tty for all involved. It's not an opportunity.
Of course it's an opportunity. These injuries, added to the early upsets, have moved Marquette from hoping to be top six to being a competitor for second place.
Considering the moaning that is going on within the fanbase (with even decades long Blue & Gold bleeders turning down free tickets to games) to be relevant again, I'm not sure anyone cares
how MU makes the NCAA. They just need to make it.
Quote from: MarquetteBallin on January 31, 2017, 01:26:06 PM
Again, the misfortune of other teams ought not to be something MU can "take advantage of" or is "better for us."
It's just plain $h*tty for all involved. It's not an opportunity.
It's $h*tty for Creighton and Xavier, $h*tty for the Big East, $h*tty for Watson and Sumner and even $h*tty for the game. But the season hasn't been cancelled and somebody has to finish second or third. Any way you look at that's an opportunity that previously was non existent for Marquette.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 31, 2017, 07:44:36 PM
It's $h*tty for Creighton and Xavier, $h*tty for the Big East, $h*tty for Watson and Sumner and even $h*tty for the game. But the season hasn't been cancelled and somebody has to finish second or third. Any way you look at that's an opportunity that previously was non existent for Marquette.
This, sucks they got injured. But this is not a time for MU to feel bad for Creighton or X. It is indeed an opportunity.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 31, 2017, 07:44:36 PM
It's $h*tty for Creighton and Xavier, $h*tty for the Big East, $h*tty for Watson and Sumner and even $h*tty for the game. But the season hasn't been cancelled and somebody has to finish second or third. Any way you look at that's an opportunity that previously was non existent for Marquette.
This. Of course.
Nobody felt sorry for us when Dom got hurt or Otule. They might have said so, but they only meant it sucked for the player. They weren't going to play less hard because we didn't have Dom. If anything, it might have energized opponents to play harder against us.
And we hopefully will have the same feeling when we go against Xavier and Creighton. (In fact, I think we already did in our game at Creighton.)
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2017, 11:33:52 AM
This. Of course.
Nobody felt sorry for us when Dom got hurt or Otule. They might have said so, but they only meant it sucked for the player. They weren't going to play less hard because we didn't have Dom. If anything, it might have energized opponents to play harder against us.
And we hopefully will have the same feeling when we go against Xavier and Creighton. (In fact, I think we already did in our game at Creighton.)
Which time?
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2017, 11:33:52 AM
This. Of course.
Nobody felt sorry for us when Dom got hurt or Otule. They might have said so, but they only meant it sucked for the player. They weren't going to play less hard because we didn't have Dom. If anything, it might have energized opponents to play harder against us.
And we hopefully will have the same feeling when we go against Xavier and Creighton. (In fact, I think we already did in our game at Creighton.)
I wonder what Otule is doing
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Chris_Otule/Sharks_Antibes/162357