One of the greatest regular season wins in MU history, if not the greatest. Stoked. Could hardly sleep last night. And now it is the day after. So going forward........
1. Can't have a let down against Providence.
2. Markus fouls out in 7 minutes. Unlucky? Freshman wall? I am intrigued by what BD said about MH going to the AL after the game. Other teams are developing a scouting report. Going to have to make adjustments.
3. KR and Luke leading like seniors. Still one missing. And he was dreadful last night. He is what he is.
4. Nova was beating MU on hustle plays. That can't happen.
5. I like that Wojo played multiple defenses and was able to shuffle his personnel into a previously unseen combination last night. His best game of the year.
6. It is the best 4 days in recent MU memory. And it means nothing if MU doesn't hold serve on Saturday and use it to build on going forward. Can't rest on laurels.
7. Still not a great defensive team. Nova helped out by being ice-cold from 3. Can't count on that and if there is a tie-breaker at MSG..... well, it may not be pretty.
8. The next step in Wojo's development as a coach and this team's development is how they handle success.
9. The beauty of this team is that I fully expect someone else to be the hero on Saturday.
Looking for a hero you say?
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Quote from: tower912 on January 25, 2017, 01:53:26 PM
One of the greatest regular season wins in MU history, if not the greatest. Stoked. Could hardly sleep last night. And now it is the day after. So going forward........
1. Can't have a let down against Providence.
2. Markus fouls out in 7 minutes. Unlucky? Freshman wall? I am intrigued by what BD said about MH going to the AL after the game. Other teams are developing a scouting report. Going to have to make adjustments.
3. KR and Luke leading like seniors. Still one missing. And he was dreadful last night. He is what he is.
4. Nova was beating MU on hustle plays. That can't happen.
5. I like that Wojo played multiple defenses and was able to shuffle his personnel into a previously unseen combination last night. His best game of the year.
6. It is the best 4 days in recent MU memory. And it means nothing if MU doesn't hold serve on Saturday and use it to build on going forward. Can't rest on laurels.
7. Still not a great defensive team. Nova helped out by being ice-cold from 3. Can't count on that and if there is a tie-breaker at MSG..... well, it may not be pretty.
8. The next step in Wojo's development as a coach and this team's development is how they handle success.
9. The beauty of this team is that I fully expect someone else to be the hero on Saturday.
Marcus had trouble on double teams as he is small, Katin at 6 '6'" makes a dfference passing over the top. When you only play 7 minutes, not sure what he would
work on, except stop fouling next game. I know he got a shot blocked, was that his only shot?
Definitely Wojo's best game...though likely one of Nova's worst shooting games in a long time. Not complaining though!
I'll gladly trade the blown game at SHU for this one. In fact, I was going to be pleased if MU was able to sneak out 1 win from the Butler/Creighton/Nova stretch. 2-1 is outstanding!
Optimist View: New hero every night!
Pessimist View: Still no true go-to player. (although Reinhardt seems to be stepping up into this role)
Most important regular season game of the year comes up on Saturday. A home loss to PC takes any and all momentum from last night's win. A lot of winnable games remaining. Keep that MO going!
Quote from: tower912 on January 25, 2017, 01:53:26 PM
2. Markus fouls out in 7 minutes. Unlucky? Freshman wall? I am intrigued by what BD said about MH going to the AL after the game. Other teams are developing a scouting report. Going to have to make adjustments.
Will say this, both Creighton and Nova "neutralized" Markus by putting lanky, quick guards on him.
A) Those don't grow on trees so not every team can do that
B) Takes that type of defender away from guarding Haanif or JjJ which means some of the adjustment is those guys take advantage of their mismatch.
I think the most important thing is for Howard not to panic and let the game come to him. Teams are adjusting but with this offense you can't really game plan for just Howard.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on January 25, 2017, 02:04:01 PM
Marcus had trouble on double teams as he is small, Katin at 6 '6'" makes a dfference passing over the top. When you only play 7 minutes, not sure what he would
work on, except stop fouling next game. I know he got a shot blocked, was that his only shot?
It's all about confidence. Howard had his worst collegiate game last night. Sometimes just getting in the gym and putting that game in the rear view is the best thing for a player.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 25, 2017, 02:07:02 PM
Definitely Wojo's best game...though likely one of Nova's worst shooting games in a long time. Not complaining though!
I'll gladly trade the blown game at SHU for this one. In fact, I was going to be pleased if MU was able to sneak out 1 win from the Butler/Creighton/Nova stretch. 2-1 is outstanding!
Optimist View: New hero every night!
Pessimist View: Still no true go-to player. (although Reinhardt seems to be stepping up into this role)
Most important regular season game of the year comes up on Saturday. A home loss to PC takes any and all momentum from last night's win. A lot of winnable games remaining. Keep that MO going!
Teams with 1 go to player struggle. Look at mus best teams over the last 50 yrs most had 4+ double digit scorers, hard to stop
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 25, 2017, 02:10:41 PM
Teams with 1 go to player struggle. Look at mus best teams over the last 50 yrs most had 4+ double digit scorers, hard to stop
Huh?
This team has 5 dougle-digit scorers.
The E8 team only had 2. In fact, only 1 of Buzz's teams had 4 double-digit scorers and that was his first season.
Quote from: tower912 on January 25, 2017, 01:53:26 PM
One of the greatest regular season wins in MU history, if not the greatest. Stoked. Could hardly sleep last night. And now it is the day after. So going forward........
Nova was beating MU on hustle plays. That can't happen.
That was the take-away that I saw as well. One particular play that aggravated me was in the second half when the ball was headed out of bounds on the west sideline, we laid back while Nova's team hustled to get and saved the ball.
I was beside myself. We are a lot of things, but we hustle!
That irritated me as well. But the 1-3-1 has us out of position in that instance. still no one went for the rock
Quote from: mu03eng on January 25, 2017, 02:07:19 PM
Will say this, both Creighton and Nova "neutralized" Markus by putting lanky, quick guards on him.
A) Those don't grow on trees so not every team can do that
B) Takes that type of defender away from guarding Haanif or JjJ which means some of the adjustment is those guys take advantage of their mismatch.
I think the most important thing is for Howard not to panic and let the game come to him. Teams are adjusting but with this offense you can't really game plan for just Howard.
Creighton didn't really neutralize Markus. He went 4-8 for 11 points and 6 rebounds, had 2 big plays down the stretch. He got in early foul trouble and only played 24 minutes.
Nova definitely neutralized him.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 25, 2017, 02:16:40 PM
That was the take-away that I saw as well. One particular play that aggravated me was in the second half when the ball was headed out of bounds on the west sideline, we laid back while Nova's team hustled to get and saved the ball.
I was beside myself. We are a lot of things, but we hustle!
What was that line in "Glory Road"? They're not going to give it to you. You've gotta take it!
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 25, 2017, 02:16:28 PM
Huh?
This team has 5 dougle-digit scorers.
The E8 team only had 2. In fact, only 1 of Buzz's teams had 4 double-digit scorers and that was his first season.
Well u went back 7-8 yrs? Clap clap.
Let me do the leg work. Many of als n hanks good teams had 3-4 double digit scorers
Oneil logterman key mcilvaine miller double digit
Deane hutch, crawford, pieper amal double digit
Crean dwade rjax diener, merrit double digit
Then three amigos plus 1
Etc
Point being most good teams have a team of scorers, much harder to stop n u go with the guys with the best matchups on any given night.
Quote from: mu03eng on January 25, 2017, 02:07:19 PM
Will say this, both Creighton and Nova "neutralized" Markus by putting lanky, quick guards on him.
A) Those don't grow on trees so not every team can do that
B) Takes that type of defender away from guarding Haanif or JjJ which means some of the adjustment is those guys take advantage of their mismatch.
I think the most important thing is for Howard not to panic and let the game come to him. Teams are adjusting but with this offense you can't really game plan for just Howard.
You must not have seen the game. 22 is the go to guy LOL Good lord what else does a guy have to do.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 25, 2017, 03:22:01 PM
Well u went back 7-8 yrs? Clap clap.
Let me do the leg work. Many of als n hanks good teams had 3-4 double digit scorers
Oneil logterman key mcilvaine miller double digit
Deane hutch, crawford, pieper amal double digit
Crean dwade rjax diener, merrit double digit
Then three amigos plus 1
Etc
Point being most good teams have a team of scorers, much harder to stop n u go with the guys with the best matchups on any given night.
How often did the 02-03 team decide that Wade wasn't going to be able to carry the load so they'd better go to Scott Merritt?
The National Champ team had 3 double-digit scorers. The '74 title game team had 2. I'd consider those teams to be pretty good Marquette teams. Hank had 0 seasons with 4+ double-digit scorers as head coach.
Oh, and I notice you changed from "4+" to "3-4." ::)
Quote from: blikemike2 on January 25, 2017, 03:24:13 PM
You must not have seen the game. 22 is the go to guy LOL Good lord what else does a guy have to do.
A) I was at the game
2) I'm not sure what your point is
III) Katin has been a revelation the last couple of games...not sure how much is due to time in the system, coaching, recovery from injury, or defenses focusing elsewhere, but I will take as much of it as I can.
I have full confidence Markus is going to have a good game Saturday, I think Nova just had a specific game plan for him realizing what he did to them in Philly. Will teams MU plays the rest of the season be able to do the same? Doubt it. He'll be fine I think.
Quote from: GoldenZebra on January 25, 2017, 04:58:27 PM
I have full confidence Markus is going to have a good game Saturday, I think Nova just had a specific game plan for him realizing what he did to them in Philly. Will teams MU plays the rest of the season be able to do the same? Doubt it. He'll be fine I think.
I agree. he is too smart and determined to be DISMAYED.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 25, 2017, 03:39:05 PM
How often did the 02-03 team decide that Wade wasn't going to be able to carry the load so they'd better go to Scott Merritt?
The National Champ team had 3 double-digit scorers. The '74 title game team had 2. I'd consider those teams to be pretty good Marquette teams. Hank had 0 seasons with 4+ double-digit scorers as head coach.
Oh, and I notice you changed from "4+" to "3-4." ::)
Al and Hank's teams didn't have a shot clock or a three-point line, so not sure that is a fair comparison.
In recent history MU's guards have been "drive to the hoop" types (McNeal, Matthews, James, etc.) or just bad shooters (with a few exceptions). This is the first time we've had four legit long bombers (Howard, Rowsey, Reinhardt, Hauser) and the offense is built around them.
Quote from: ChuckyChip on January 25, 2017, 05:16:12 PM
Al and Hank's teams didn't have a shot clock or a three-point line, so not sure that is a fair comparison.
In recent history MU's guards have been "drive to the hoop" types (McNeal, Matthews, James, etc.) or just bad shooters (with a few exceptions). This is the first time we've had four legit long bombers (Howard, Rowsey, Reinhardt, Hauser) and the offense is built around them.
While not legit bombers the mighty migits were definitely primarily a three point shooting team.
I would disagree.
James was a big three-point guy early in his career - 184 makes his sophomore year, but down to 116 as a senior. 38% of his career field goal attempts were 3-pointers.
Jerel really didn't start shooting a ton of threes until his senior year. Only 46 makes as a freshman, but 216 as a senior. He was still a driver, with only 29% of his career field goal attempts being threes.
Wes was never a big three point guy - 32, 80, 67, and 114 made in his four years. Only 25% of his career attempts were threes.
Compare that to this year's group:
Howard - 81 of 148 FG attempts have been threes - 55%
Reinhardt - 97 of 153 FG attempts have been threes - 63%
Hauser - 87 of 122 FG attempts have been threes - 71%
Rowsey - 85 of 116 FG attempts have been threes - 73%
Quote from: ChuckyChip on January 25, 2017, 07:51:36 PM
I would disagree.
James was a big three-point guy early in his career - 184 makes his sophomore year, but down to 116 as a senior. 38% of his career field goal attempts were 3-pointers.
Jerel really didn't start shooting a ton of threes until his senior year. Only 46 makes as a freshman, but 216 as a senior. He was still a driver, with only 29% of his career field goal attempts being threes.
Wes was never a big three point guy - 32, 80, 67, and 114 made in his four years. Only 25% of his career attempts were threes.
Compare that to this year's group:
Howard - 81 of 148 FG attempts have been threes - 55%
Reinhardt - 97 of 153 FG attempts have been threes - 63%
Hauser - 87 of 122 FG attempts have been threes - 71%
Rowsey - 85 of 116 FG attempts have been threes - 73%
That's not the mighty midgets, that's the three amigos get your team names down. Mighty midgets is 09-10 Acker Cubilian and DJO were great from deep and Lazar was great at the trailer three as well
Quote from: GoldenZebra on January 25, 2017, 04:58:27 PM
I have full confidence Markus is going to have a good game Saturday, I think Nova just had a specific game plan for him realizing what he did to them in Philly. Will teams MU plays the rest of the season be able to do the same? Doubt it. He'll be fine I think.
Markus got victimized by foul trouble. He would of eventually scored against Villanova, if he could of played. Hauser was also pretty much shut down, but he hit a key three near the end of the game. There is no reason to belive that Howard would not of eventually got an opportunity to hit some shots.
Quote from: ChuckyChip on January 25, 2017, 05:16:12 PM
Al and Hank's teams didn't have a shot clock or a three-point line, so not sure that is a fair comparison.
True. I was simply rebutting Mr. S-K's claim that Hank and Al's best teams had 4+ double-digit scorers.
My goodness ... let's just beat Providence.