Last Four In!
For now...
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology)
As we thought, looks like MU has played a few bubble teams - Michigan and Pitt also last 4 in; Georgia last 4 out.
I read that was same bracket prior to the game Saturday.
Mentioned in another thread, but still find it very strange that Joey B had us last team in prior to Creighton game. We win our best game of the year, on the road, our RPI jumps ~ 25 spots, and he still has us as last team in. Feel like he just didn't update from the seed list he sent out Sat am.
Most other bracket projections have us as 8-10 seed now and safely in.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 23, 2017, 12:25:23 PM
Mentioned in another thread, but still find it very strange that Joey B had us last team in prior to Creighton game. We win our best game of the year, on the road, our RPI jumps ~ 25 spots, and he still has us as last team in. Feel like he just didn't update from the seed list he sent out Sat am.
Most other bracket projections have us as 8-10 seed now and safely in.
Joey B likely made this bracket on Friday and posted it today. He's lazy like that. Creighton game isn't reflected.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 23, 2017, 12:33:28 PM
Joey B likely made this bracket on Friday and posted it today. He's lazy like that. Creighton game isn't reflected.
As I posted before read that the bracket is prior to the game
My dream scenario is for MU and Va Tech to play each other in a first round game at the Dayton Arena. JJJ scores the game winning play on a dunk over Ahmed Hill with Buzz alleging that JJJ took 4 steps. Kostas is on the sidelines at the game and is so moved by the MU win and the possibility of playing with Markus Howard and being paired with Ike Eke in a Nigerian twin towers formation that he immediately renounces his position at Dayton and transfers to MU.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 23, 2017, 12:42:03 PM
My dream scenario is for MU and Va Tech to play each other in a first round game at the Dayton Arena. JJJ scores the game winning play on a dunk over Ahmed Hill with Buzz alleging that JJJ took 4 steps. Kostas is on the sidelines at the game and is so moved by the MU and the possibility of playing with Markus Howard and being paired with Ike Eke in a Nigerian twin towers formation that he immediately renounces his position at Dayton and transfers to MU.
So you're dream scenario involves MU needing to win 7 games instead of 6?
Great
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 23, 2017, 12:42:03 PM
My dream scenario is for MU and Va Tech to play each other in a first round game at the Dayton Arena. JJJ scores the game winning play on a dunk over Ahmed Hill with Buzz alleging that JJJ took 4 steps. Kostas is on the sidelines at the game and is so moved by the MU and the possibility of playing with Markus Howard and being paired with Ike Eke in a Nigerian twin towers formation that he immediately renounces his position at Dayton and transfers to MU.
:o
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 23, 2017, 12:42:03 PM
My dream scenario is for MU and Va Tech to play each other in a first round game at the Dayton Arena. JJJ scores the game winning play on a dunk over Ahmed Hill with Buzz alleging that JJJ took 4 steps. Kostas is on the sidelines at the game and is so moved by the MU and the possibility of playing with Markus Howard and being paired with Ike Eke in a Nigerian twin towers formation that he immediately renounces his position at Dayton and transfers to MU.
Unless Giannis pays his tuition or Wojo adopts him I don't think that scenario is likely.
Quote from: LloydsLegs on January 23, 2017, 12:11:17 PM
As we thought, looks like MU has played a few bubble teams - Michigan and Pitt also last 4 in; Georgia last 4 out.
Boy I would like to think we would beat Pitt and Michigan now.
Quote from: Newsdrms on January 23, 2017, 12:45:49 PM
:o
There simply has to be a Puerto Rican swear word for this insanity!
Quote from: jsglow on January 23, 2017, 12:53:20 PM
There simply has to be a Puerto Rican swear word for this insanity!
Ay caramba! That's the best I got.
Jerry Palm has MU as a 9 seed (playing 8 seed IU)
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology
Quote from: geps on January 23, 2017, 12:53:05 PM
Boy I would like to think we would beat Pitt and Michigan now.
Pitt never shoulda been close.
Michigan was a really bad night I'd like to hope. But at least they deserved that win
This is fun. Good to be back in the conversation.
We already have Franklin and Marotta, why would we take on Kostas?
Would looooove to play Gonzaga
Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on January 23, 2017, 12:58:14 PM
Pitt never shoulda been close.
Michigan was a really bad night I'd like to hope. But at least they deserved that win
It's interesting to look back on those two games and see how much has changed in terms of who's getting minutes (Rowsey only got 1 minute in the Michigan game), and who's drastically increased their efficiency on offense since then (Hauser and Katin).
Quote from: g0lden3agle on January 23, 2017, 01:23:23 PM
It's interesting to look back on those two games and see how much has changed in terms of who's getting minutes (Rowsey only got 1 minute in the Michigan game), and who's drastically increased their efficiency on offense since then (Hauser and Katin).
So true. Things are a lot different now. I do believe we beat Michigan on a neutral floor now. But like I said at least that was a game we flat out didn't deserve.
Hopefully things keep trending well and we get ourselves into the dance.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on January 23, 2017, 12:56:11 PM
Ay caramba! That's the best I got.
Not even close! No swearing there...
Quote from: jsglow on January 23, 2017, 12:53:20 PM
There simply has to be a Puerto Rican swear word for this insanity!
Would be Spanish and there are a bunch I can think of, but Rocky already had a lot of work on the student thread, so...no ;D
As frustrating as it was to watch and even though it was a BE game, I'm willing to concede the Butler game because Butler at home is simply a better team than MU. The blown games against Pitt and Seton Hall are what concern me. If MU wins those 2 games, they're sitting at 15-4 with an RPI around 30 and we're talking seeding as opposed to in or out. Not to mention MU would also have an additional 2 wins over bubble teams.
MU is likely going to be sitting after 4-4 after tomorrow night (sorry to be a pessimist) but has a very favorable stretch coming up. After Nova, MU has 3 straight very winnable games, followed by 3 pick 'em games, then StJ at home and Prov on the road. That's the stretch that's going to make or break this season. MU could easily win 6 or 7 of those games and get to 10+ BE wins...or they could easily go 3-5 and be hoping for a spot in the NIT.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 23, 2017, 01:35:15 PM
As frustrating as it was to watch and even though it was a BE game, I'm willing to concede the Butler game because Butler at home is simply a better team than MU. The blown games against Pitt and Seton Hall are what concern me. If MU wins those 2 games, they're sitting at 15-4 with an RPI around 30 and we're talking seeding as opposed to in or out. Not to mention MU would also have an additional 2 wins over bubble teams.
MU is likely going to be sitting after 4-4 after tomorrow night (sorry to be a pessimist) but has a very favorable stretch coming up. After Nova, MU has 3 straight very winnable games, followed by 3 pick 'em games, then StJ at home and Prov on the road. That's the stretch that's going to make or break this season. MU could easily win 6 or 7 of those games and get to 10+ BE wins...or they could easily go 3-5 and be hoping for a spot in the NIT.
Or we could win the BET
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 23, 2017, 01:35:15 PMAs frustrating as it was to watch and even though it was a BE game, I'm willing to concede the Butler game because Butler at home is simply a better team than MU. The blown games against Pitt and Seton Hall are what concern me.
Who knows? Could be that we don't beat Creighton on their court without learning the hard lessons of losing on the road to Pitt, Seton Hall and Butler when we had opportunities to come away with a victory.
Some teams start the season knowing who they are, how to play together and what they have to do to win. Other teams have to figure it out. Hopefully the win at Creighton pays dividends the rest of the conference schedule.
Quote from: LloydsLegs on January 23, 2017, 12:11:17 PM
As we thought, looks like MU has played a few bubble teams - Michigan and Pitt also last 4 in; Georgia last 4 out.
How in god's name is Pitt in the last four in? They are 12-7 and 1-5 in the ACC.
Quote from: nyg on January 23, 2017, 02:27:35 PM
How in god's name is Pitt in the last four in? They are 12-7 and 1-5 in the ACC.
They have a signature win over Marquette.
Quote from: nyg on January 23, 2017, 02:27:35 PM
How in god's name is Pitt in the last four in? They are 12-7 and 1-5 in the ACC.
....because being 4-3 in the Big East is like being 1-5 in the ACC. After all they beat us so they must be way better.
Quote from: nyg on January 23, 2017, 02:27:35 PM
How in god's name is Pitt in the last four in? They are 12-7 and 1-5 in the ACC.
Beat Virginia.
No bad losses.
Soft bubble.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 23, 2017, 02:36:11 PM
Beat Virginia.
No bad losses.
Soft bubble.
When's the last time the bubble wasn't soft? 2006?
Quote from: Bocephys on January 23, 2017, 02:37:33 PM
When's the last time the bubble wasn't soft? 2006?
I don't think it was soft last year? A bunch of teams got left out of the NCAA and NIT because like 10 of 13 conference champions lost their conference tournament.
Soft bubble????? The bubble has broken. They are 1-5 in conference
Pitt has lost four in a row, play Louisville tomm., still have Duke, Clemson, Florida St., UNC (twice) and Virginia, etc.
Maybe the guru thinks they will win out. Ridiculous.
Quote from: nyg on January 23, 2017, 02:42:04 PM
Soft bubble????? The bubble has broken. They are 1-5 in conference
Pitt has lost four in a row, play Louisville tomm., still have Duke, Clemson, Florida St., UNC (twice) and Virginia, etc.
Maybe the guru thinks they will win out. Ridiculous.
They have to fill out the tournament. Look at other bubble teams. Clemson is 1-5 in ACC and wildly considered in right now.
Quote from: nyg on January 23, 2017, 02:42:04 PM
Soft bubble????? The bubble has broken. They are 1-5 in conference
Pitt has lost four in a row, play Louisville tomm., still have Duke, Clemson, Florida St., UNC (twice) and Virginia, etc.
Maybe the guru thinks they will win out. Ridiculous.
BUT before the season started ESPN said at least 10 ACC teams would make the tournament, so they gotta keep the numbers high.
If 10 ACC teams make it, and MU doesn't make it at 9-9 and 6th in the BE.. that would be ridiculous.
Quote from: fjm on January 23, 2017, 02:44:03 PM
BUT before the season started ESPN said at least 10 ACC teams would make the tournament, so they gotta keep the numbers high.
If 10 ACC teams make it, and MU doesn't make it at 9-9 and 6th in the BE.. that would be ridiculous.
It's not just ESPN
http://bracketmatrix.com/
Quote from: fjm on January 23, 2017, 02:41:10 PM
I don't think it was soft last year? A bunch of teams got left out of the NCAA and NIT because like 10 of 13 conference champions lost their conference tournament.
You may be right, but there were plenty of articles advocating the bubble was soft prior to those tourneys breaking the wrong way. It's probably more of a "walked uphill in a foot of snow both ways" sort of thing any more.
http://thebiglead.com/2016/02/09/bracketology-projections-february-9th-louisvilles-absence-exposes-flat-top-of-bracket-soft-bubble/
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2016/03/01/2016-ncaa-tournament-bubble-teams
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 23, 2017, 12:42:03 PM
My dream scenario is for MU and Va Tech to play each other in a first round game at the Dayton Arena. JJJ scores the game winning play on a dunk over Ahmed Hill with Buzz alleging that JJJ took 4 steps. Kostas is on the sidelines at the game and is so moved by the MU win and the possibility of playing with Markus Howard and being paired with Ike Eke in a Nigerian twin towers formation that he immediately renounces his position at Dayton and transfers to MU.
Hmm. My dream scenario is Marquette beating 'Nova tomorrow then winning out in league play. Meanwhile, 'Nova drops games at Xavier and at home to a resurgent Creighton to finish 14-4, which gives Marquette the outright Big East title. MU takes care of business against 8-seed DePaul and 4-seed Xavier before getting to the Big East Final for the rubber match with Villanova, which Marquette wins on a buzzer-beater from Katin Reinhardt, saving his first SOTG performance until the eve of Selection Sunday. In the NCAA Tournament, 2-seed Marquette is joined in the Final Four by 1-seed Villanova, 4-seed Butler, and the aforementioned resurgent 6-seed Creighton team to give the Tourney the first ever Final Four sweep with all four teams coming from the same conference (after Marquette beat Seton Hall (rubber match win) and Creighton beat Xavier in the Elite Eight). Marquette takes out Butler in the Final Four (rubber match win) and again meets up with Villanova in the Final. The two teams out-do the Big East Tourney Final, going to triple overtime, only after Jajuan Johnson hits a buzzer-beater to reach overtime and Katin Reinhardt scores a half-court three to force the triple. Luke Fischer takes over in the final stanza, scoring 8 of his 32 points to go along with 12 rebounds and 10 blocks, his first career triple double as he wins SOTG in his final Marquette game (narrowly edging fellow seniors Jajuan Johnson and Katin Reinhardt) and cuts down the nets for the first time in 40 years.
But I guess we all have different dreams.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 23, 2017, 04:26:33 PM
Hmm. My dream scenario is Marquette beating 'Nova tomorrow then winning out in league play. Meanwhile, 'Nova drops games at Xavier and at home to a resurgent Creighton to finish 14-4, which gives Marquette the outright Big East title. MU takes care of business against 8-seed DePaul and 4-seed Xavier before getting to the Big East Final for the rubber match with Villanova, which Marquette wins on a buzzer-beater from Katin Reinhardt, saving his first SOTG performance until the eve of Selection Sunday. In the NCAA Tournament, 2-seed Marquette is joined in the Final Four by 1-seed Villanova, 4-seed Butler, and the aforementioned resurgent 6-seed Creighton team to give the Tourney the first ever Final Four sweep with all four teams coming from the same conference (after Marquette beat Seton Hall (rubber match win) and Creighton beat Xavier in the Elite Eight). Marquette takes out Butler in the Final Four (rubber match win) and again meets up with Villanova in the Final. The two teams out-do the Big East Tourney Final, going to triple overtime, only after Jajuan Johnson hits a buzzer-beater to reach overtime and Katin Reinhardt scores a half-court three to force the triple. Luke Fischer takes over in the final stanza, scoring 8 of his 32 points to go along with 12 rebounds and 10 blocks, his first career triple double as he wins SOTG in his final Marquette game (narrowly edging fellow seniors Jajuan Johnson and Katin Reinhardt) and cuts down the nets for the first time in 40 years.
But I guess we all have different dreams.
Definitely a dream. Triple OT and Fischer hasn't fouled out?
Quote from: LAZER on January 23, 2017, 03:54:24 PM
It's not just ESPN
http://bracketmatrix.com/
Just FYI for those looking at Bracket Matrix - the homepage hasn't actually been updated since before the Creighton game. But if you look at the individual brackets, you will see alot of MU in the 8-10 range in the update brackets.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 23, 2017, 04:26:33 PM
Hmm. My dream scenario is Marquette beating 'Nova tomorrow then winning out in league play. Meanwhile, 'Nova drops games at Xavier and at home to a resurgent Creighton to finish 14-4, which gives Marquette the outright Big East title. MU takes care of business against 8-seed DePaul and 4-seed Xavier before getting to the Big East Final for the rubber match with Villanova, which Marquette wins on a buzzer-beater from Katin Reinhardt, saving his first SOTG performance until the eve of Selection Sunday. In the NCAA Tournament, 2-seed Marquette is joined in the Final Four by 1-seed Villanova, 4-seed Butler, and the aforementioned resurgent 6-seed Creighton team to give the Tourney the first ever Final Four sweep with all four teams coming from the same conference (after Marquette beat Seton Hall (rubber match win) and Creighton beat Xavier in the Elite Eight). Marquette takes out Butler in the Final Four (rubber match win) and again meets up with Villanova in the Final. The two teams out-do the Big East Tourney Final, going to triple overtime, only after Jajuan Johnson hits a buzzer-beater to reach overtime and Katin Reinhardt scores a half-court three to force the triple. Luke Fischer takes over in the final stanza, scoring 8 of his 32 points to go along with 12 rebounds and 10 blocks, his first career triple double as he wins SOTG in his final Marquette game (narrowly edging fellow seniors Jajuan Johnson and Katin Reinhardt) and cuts down the nets for the first time in 40 years.
But I guess we all have different dreams.
Agreed, but kinda like 3 of 4 teams being from the Big East, except for Kentucky. We face them in Finals. JuJuan wins it for us, single handedly. He stayed all 4 even though from Memphis.
Just keep winning baby!
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 23, 2017, 04:31:07 PM
Just FYI for those looking at Bracket Matrix - the homepage hasn't actually been updated since before the Creighton game. But if you look at the individual brackets, you will see alot of MU in the 8-10 range in the update brackets.
The best five bracketologists with updated brackets have MU as a 10, 11, 11, not in (weird), and an 8.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 23, 2017, 12:42:03 PM
My dream scenario is for MU and Va Tech to play each other in a first round game at the Dayton Arena. JJJ scores the game winning play on a dunk over Ahmed Hill with Buzz alleging that JJJ took 4 steps. Kostas is on the sidelines at the game and is so moved by the MU win and the possibility of playing with Markus Howard and being paired with Ike Eke in a Nigerian twin towers formation that he immediately renounces his position at Dayton and transfers to MU.
Yeah, and the lonesome cowboy demonstrating to the refJjJ's steps by dancing his famed Texas two step from WVU.
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on January 23, 2017, 05:08:36 PM
The best five bracketologists with updated brackets have MU as a 10, 11, 11, not in (weird), and an 8.
Far more than 5 update brackets.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 23, 2017, 05:38:25 PM
Far more than 5 update brackets.
Clearly, but I did a quick rundown from the Bracketmatrix rankings.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 23, 2017, 04:26:33 PM
But I guess we all have different dreams.
They're generally a little less specific, but yours works.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 23, 2017, 05:15:35 PM
Yeah, and the lonesome cowboy demonstrating to the refJjJ's steps by dancing his famed Texas two step from WVU.
Yes that is exactly the picture I am imagining.
Quote from: copious1218 on January 23, 2017, 04:28:17 PM
Definitely a dream. Triple OT and Fischer hasn't fouled out?
I would take a Vegas prop bet on Fischer fouling out in any triple overtime game. I would even take 1 to 8 odds.
Quote from: nyg on January 23, 2017, 02:42:04 PM
Soft bubble????? The bubble has broken. They are 1-5 in conference
Pitt has lost four in a row, play Louisville tomm., still have Duke, Clemson, Florida St., UNC (twice) and Virginia, etc.
Maybe the guru thinks they will win out. Ridiculous.
boy! with this schedule, pitt will be the first 1-12 bubble team in ncaa tourney history :D
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 23, 2017, 01:22:02 PM
Would looooove to play Gonzaga
Normally I would agree but I think this is Gonzaga's year to make a run. Unlike year's past, this team plays fantastic defense. This is not their normal great offense, above average defense team. They play better D than they do offense.
Are these bracket predictions based on where you are right now or do they go as far to predict the rest of your schedule?
Where you are now.... they try to anticipate what the committee would do.
Dream Scenario: MU plays wisconsin in the final 4. MU wins by a solid 7 points and a 26 point performance from JJJ and 23 points from Matt Heldt.
I feel like he will update it either tuesday or wednesday
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on January 23, 2017, 05:43:09 PM
Clearly, but I did a quick rundown from the Bracketmatrix rankings.
Ahh. Misread your post
Quote from: fjm on January 23, 2017, 02:44:03 PM
BUT before the season started ESPN said at least 10 ACC teams would make the tournament, so they gotta keep the numbers high.
If 10 ACC teams make it, and MU doesn't make it at 9-9 and 6th in the BE.. that would be ridiculous.
So we need to do better than 9-9.
I have very little sympathy for teams that are on the bubble - even if it's my team. You want to be off the bubble? Win another game or three!
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on January 23, 2017, 10:06:58 PM
Dream Scenario: MU plays wisconsin in the final 4. MU wins by a solid 7 points and a 26 point performance from JJJ and 23 points from Matt Heldt.
Nah. My dream scenario is the Badgers lose out from here and miss the tourney.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 23, 2017, 10:45:00 PM
Nah. My dream scenario is the Badgers lose out from here and miss the tourney.
+100,000,000,000
Quote from: copious1218 on January 23, 2017, 04:28:17 PM
Definitely a dream. Triple OT and Fischer hasn't fouled out?
I think he fouled out ~6 times last year; 3 this year... #FalseNarrative
Quote from: fjm on January 23, 2017, 02:41:10 PM
I don't think it was soft last year? A bunch of teams got left out of the NCAA and NIT because like 10 of 13 conference champions lost their conference tournament.
That doesn't hurt as much as you think. In the lesser conferences, if the regular season champ doesn't win the tournament, they just about always go to the NIT, not the NCAA. See Monmouth as a great example. Those upsets hurt teams (like us last year) in terms of making the NIT these days much more than the NCAA.
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 24, 2017, 07:11:29 AM
That doesn't hurt as much as you think. In the lesser conferences, if the regular season champ doesn't win the tournament, they just about always go to the NIT, not the NCAA. See Monmouth as a great example. Those upsets hurt teams (like us last year) in terms of making the NIT these days much more than the NCAA.
That makes sense. It's not as if any of those conferences are going to have multiple NCAA bids anyway, but they definitely can eat up NIT bids.
Bracket matrix update:
Marquette is a 10 seed with 5 at larges behind us. That is up from last team in as an 11 seed.
Marquette is in for 70 of 78 brackets, up from 36.
Seed range 8-12. Eight brackets have MU as an 8, while four have MU a 12 seed.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on January 24, 2017, 07:20:42 AM
Bracket matrix update:
Marquette is a 10 seed with 5 at larges behind us. That is up from last team in as an 11 seed.
Marquette is in for 70 of 78 brackets, up from 36.
Seed range 8-12. Eight brackets have MU as an 8, while four have MU a 12 seed.
Lunardi not making us a No. 1 seed clearly shows ESPN's anti-Big East bias!
Quote from: MU82 on January 24, 2017, 07:45:30 AM
Lunardi not making us a No. 1 seed clearly shows ESPN's anti-Big East bias!
Wojo's fault! Fire Wojo!!!
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 24, 2017, 07:11:29 AM
That doesn't hurt as much as you think. In the lesser conferences, if the regular season champ doesn't win the tournament, they just about always go to the NIT, not the NCAA. See Monmouth as a great example. Those upsets hurt teams (like us last year) in terms of making the NIT these days much more than the NCAA.
Good point. So really it hurt the NIT bubble. Which we would have made.
I guess it doesn't really affect the NCAA that much.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 24, 2017, 04:09:06 AM
I think he fouled out ~6 times last year; 3 this year... #FalseNarrative
True but in OT games ħas he ever finished with 3 or less fouls? Not sure asking.
He updated it and he still has MU as a last 4 in
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on January 24, 2017, 09:02:54 AM
He updated it and he still has MU as a last 4 in
No lunardi love. Dang.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on January 24, 2017, 09:02:54 AM
He updated it and he still has MU as a last 4 in
Same one as yesterday to my eyes...no?
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 24, 2017, 04:09:06 AM
I think he fouled out ~6 times last year; 3 this year... #FalseNarrative
It was said in jest. But taken seriously, I believe you said Fischer has a foul rate of 4.8/40 minutes. That would be 6.0 in a 50 minute game (double OT only). Now he certainly is not going to play 50/50 minutes but the idea that he MIGHT foul out in a 3OT game is not far-fetched. For him or anyone else (Heldt, Hauser, etc.).
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 24, 2017, 09:20:02 AM
Same one as yesterday to my eyes...no?
Yeah. I think he does Monday and Thursday brackets. Sometimes will tweet his seed list in between.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 24, 2017, 04:09:06 AM
I think he fouled out ~6 times last year; 3 this year... alternative facts
fixed it
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on January 24, 2017, 09:02:54 AM
He updated it and he still has MU as a last 4 in
Again. He wrote this bracket before our game against Creighton. He didn't post it until Monday. The next one will reflect the Creighton game
Time to remove Pitt
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 24, 2017, 08:43:15 AM
True but in OT games ħas he ever finished with 3 or less fouls? Not sure asking.
Yes. Last year he played 44 minutes in an OT game for us and had ZERO fouls.
#FalseLukeNarrative
Bump.
Not Lunardi, but went through all the brackets that were today. One bracket has us as a 6 seed. Another has us at a 10 seed. Some 7's.
Most are in the 8-9 range.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 25, 2017, 10:46:22 AM
Bump.
Not Lunardi, but went through all the brackets that were today. One bracket has us as a 6 seed. Another has us at a 10 seed. Some 7's.
Most are in the 8-9 range.
Let's keep moving away from that bubble on Saturday. Critical game necessary to continue our growth.
Just want to make the tournament.
Lunardi has an insider article explaining why he believes all of the ACC teams except Boston College still have a path to the tournament. He even used Pitt's victory over Marquette (as well as Maryland and Virginia) as a "quality" win that keeps them in the mix. But mainly, he says, is the lack of any breakout mid-majors this year. He doesn't see a single mid-major getting an at-large bid. As a result, there will be mediocre major conference teams (even some without a winning conference record) making the tourney.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on January 25, 2017, 11:07:39 AM
Lunardi has an insider article explaining why he believes all of the ACC teams except Boston College still have a path to the tournament. He even used Pitt's victory over Marquette (as well as Maryland and Virginia) as a "quality" win that keeps them in the mix. But mainly, he says, is the lack of any breakout mid-majors this year. He doesn't see a single mid-major getting an at-large bid. As a result, there will be mediocre major conference teams (even some without a winning conference record) making the tourney.
Thats silly, although it is a down year for mid-majors, some will get an at large bid. I think one in the MVC if Illinois St. and Wichita St. run the table against everyone else, and SMU and Tulsa have a chance ;)
Dream senario:
1st Round Beat Virginia Tech
2nd Round Beat IU
3rd Round Beat Notre Dame
But that would mean Notre Dame getting to the Sweet 16, and having to live it a world of uppity Domers for a week..... not sure I could stomach that. But, I'd love to see the look on their faces when it all came crashing down from MU's hands.
If MU performs down the stretch, we are in. Now we need to get off of the 8-9 seed line.
Quote from: tower912 on January 25, 2017, 11:57:22 AM
If MU performs down the stretch, we are in. Now we need to get off of the 8-9 seed line.
Brings into question (not trying to put the cart ahead of yada yada) but what do we need to get off the 8-10 line?
Also, what is our seed ceiling? 6-7?
I think are ceiling is 5-7..floor 8-12
Quote from: lurch91 on January 25, 2017, 11:25:44 AM
Dream senario:
1st Round Beat Virginia Tech
2nd Round Beat IU
3rd Round Beat Notre Dame
But that would mean Notre Dame getting to the Sweet 16, and having to live it a world of uppity Domers for a week..... not sure I could stomach that. But, I'd love to see the look on their faces when it all came crashing down from MU's hands.
the horror of losing to TC far surpasses they joy of beating him.
Quote from: lurch91 on January 25, 2017, 11:25:44 AM
Dream senario:
1st Round Beat Virginia Tech
2nd Round Beat IU
3rd Round Beat Notre Dame
But that would mean Notre Dame getting to the Sweet 16, and having to live it a world of uppity Domers for a week..... not sure I could stomach that. But, I'd love to see the look on their faces when it all came crashing down from MU's hands.
Why are you stopping there.
4th Round Beat UW
after that line'm up and take'm down...doesn't matter who they are...but
Nova vs. MU for all the marbles.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on January 25, 2017, 11:07:39 AM
Lunardi has an insider article explaining why he believes all of the ACC teams except Boston College still have a path to the tournament. He even used Pitt's victory over Marquette (as well as Maryland and Virginia) as a "quality" win that keeps them in the mix. But mainly, he says, is the lack of any breakout mid-majors this year. He doesn't see a single mid-major getting an at-large bid. As a result, there will be mediocre major conference teams (even some without a winning conference record) making the tourney.
WCC will get 2 teams in...Gonzaga and St. Marys, and one of them will certainly be an at-large. Might be a down year but to say none is just incorrect.
Quote from: avid1010 on January 25, 2017, 12:06:40 PM
the horror of losing to TC far surpasses they joy of beating him.
same with Buzz... If we had a team that was practically unbeatable I'd be all about these matchups
I'd rather be an 11 than a 5. That chit historically spells trouble every year for a few teams. Might as well add a sports illustrated cover to it while we're at it. Give me a 6 or 7 and I'll breathe a little easier. I doubt a 4 is within reach unless we run da table, eh'ner?
Quote from: avid1010 on January 25, 2017, 12:06:40 PM
the horror of losing to TC far surpasses they joy of beating him.
Sorry, No Dick will never make the third round.
Quote from: fjm on January 25, 2017, 12:02:18 PM
Brings into question (not trying to put the cart ahead of yada yada) but what do we need to get off the 8-10 line?
Also, what is our seed ceiling? 6-7?
I think if we get to 12-13 wins in league (realistic in my opinion) we can reach the 6 line, which is right where I'd want to be. Much rather avoid the 1/2 seeds until the second weekend. Not saying we'd get there, just that I feel of the seeds from 4-9, 6 is the ideal seed.
Would love to be the 8/9 seed in Gonzaga's bracket.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 25, 2017, 02:41:38 PM
Would love to be the 8/9 seed in Gonzaga's bracket.
This ☝️☝☝☝☝
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 25, 2017, 01:17:35 PM
I'd rather be an 11 than a 5. That chit historically spells trouble every year for a few teams. Might as well add a sports illustrated cover to it while we're at it. Give me a 6 or 7 and I'll breathe a little easier. I doubt a 4 is within reach unless we run da table, eh'ner?
Worked real well for us in cleveland!! Two awesome games to attend!!
Quote from: wadesworld on January 25, 2017, 02:41:38 PM
Would love to be the 8/9 seed in Gonzaga's bracket.
Gonzaga is really good. No thanks. 7th O-efficiency and 5th D-efficiency, per kenpom.
If we're assured an 8/9 seed, I guess I'd prefer Gonzaga to Nova, Kansas, Kentucky, UNC. But I'd prefer Baylor to Gonzaga, and would definitely prefer just getting out of that 8/9 game altogether.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 25, 2017, 02:41:38 PM
Would love to be the 8/9 seed in Gonzaga's bracket.
This isn't your father's Gonzaga. They are legit. Might prefer them to the other 1 seeds, but I'd rather avoid seeing them until the sweet 16.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 25, 2017, 04:19:22 PM
This isn't your father's Gonzaga. They are legit. Might prefer them to the other 1 seeds, but I'd rather avoid seeing them until the sweet 16.
My brother went to Gonzaga. I texted him and said, "Looks like your boys will probably be No. 1 next week. You're welcome."
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 25, 2017, 04:19:22 PM
This isn't your father's Gonzaga. They are legit. Might prefer them to the other 1 seeds, but I'd rather avoid seeing them until the sweet 16.
I agree. They are tough on D and have their typical Gonzaga O.
You, guys, stop jinxing us!
Let's not count our chickens before they hatch. It's bad mojo.
Given the wins this week, assuming we continue to progress, we have the potential to seed well above 8-9. According to a friend, a former Xavier point guard, they see MU as the rising star in the BE. He has a lot of respect for what Wojo has done. On the other hand he feels teams have figured out Xavier and is very pessimistic on their chances. His comments were made before the 'nova win. Just one opinion but it gives you a perspective on how we are being perceived from outside the MU family.
MU stay focused, do not take any game for granted, play every game all out, including good D, and good things will happen. The talent is there and the fire to win is emerging. All good signs.
ND sucks
My drean scenario would be to win enough games to play UCLA. I am been waiting for over 50 years to play UCLA. My nightmere scenario would be to draw Louisville in the first round. That is of course assuming they are still playing their pressing style.
Quote from: bilsu on January 25, 2017, 07:59:52 PM
My drean scenario would be to win enough games to play UCLA. I am been waiting for over 50 years to play UCLA. My nightmere scenario would be to draw Louisville in the first round. That is of course assuming they are still playing their pressing style.
I think this is about the best press breaking team we've had in my memory. Rowsey is shaky, but when you can put Howard, Reinhardt, and Cheatham on the floor together, that's an effective press break.
EDIT: UCLA would be insane. Might set a record for combined points in a Tournament game.
Time to put the Sugar Plums away. St John beat Providence
Georgetown runs over Creighton
Maybe it's time to Focus Forward. We had our Fun with the Nova win, right now that's History. Our season is in front of us. Let's Go MU, Time to Go to Work.
Louisville length would be a really bad match up for us.
I'll be glad just to be in this year. But really hope we don't get them
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 25, 2017, 04:19:22 PM
This isn't your father's Gonzaga. They are legit. Might prefer them to the other 1 seeds, but I'd rather avoid seeing them until the sweet 16.
Hear it every year.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 26, 2017, 06:27:50 AM
Hear it every year.
+1
By the time the tournament rolls around, Gonzaga will have gone over three months without real competition. Sure, they beat Florida and Arizona in November and December, but who've they played since? St Mary's? The team whose best win to date is Dayton? BYU? Ugh.
Maybe this Gonzaga will be different, or maybe they will be the team that hasn't won by less than 15 in the last 3+ months and doesn't know what to do when challenged. I'd much rather play them the first weekend than anyone else on the top two lines.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 25, 2017, 08:05:15 PM
I think this is about the best press breaking team we've had in my memory. Rowsey is shaky, but when you can put Howard, Reinhardt, and Cheatham on the floor together, that's an effective press break.
EDIT: UCLA would be insane. Might set a record for combined points in a Tournament game.
Somewhat ironically, I think we'd have the better defense on the court in that match up.
And I agree, while Rowsey is not ideal, I would have zero issue playing a pressing team with Katin and Howard bringing the ball up and Cheatham as a secure outlet (should we mention how much Haanif has cut down on TOs, wow)
Quote from: warriorchick on January 25, 2017, 06:51:19 PM
You, guys, stop jinxing us!
Let's not count our chickens before they hatch. It's bad mojo.
Cleverly done, chickadee.
If we keep rolling, you can say you were glad to be wrong about the mojo.
If we stumble, you can say "I told you so!"
For the record, I'd rather be an 11 seed than anything from 5-10. But yes, beggers can't be choosers, and I'll be happy with any NCAA tourney seed. (While retaining my right to beyotch about it on Selection Sunday.)
Quote from: wadesworld on January 26, 2017, 06:27:50 AM
Hear it every year.
Fair, but I have been right there with you every year until this one. Preseason I thought they had top 5 talent but wasn't sure if they could play together with all the incoming transfers. They have shown they can.
Maybe TAMU, but it all goes back to my favorite two words in sports:
We'll see!
The great thing about sports is that it's always prove-it-to-me time!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 26, 2017, 09:24:09 AM
Fair, but I have been right there with you every year until this one. Preseason I thought they had top 5 talent but wasn't sure if they could play together with all the incoming transfers. They have shown they can.
I certainly don't think they're a
bad team, but they lost Wiltjer and Sabonis and they lost in the S16 last year. They're a good team, but they're more a 15-25 ranked team in my mind than a number 1 team in the country.
If you give Gonzaga the BE schedule we've played so far, I'd be very surprised if they were any better than the 5-3 we are currently at. At Nova, vs. Nova, at Creighton, at Butler, at Seton Hall, vs. Seton Hall, vs. Georgetown, and vs. DePaul.
In my opinion, they're more on par with Butler (nothing wrong with that) than they are with Villanova.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology)
8 Marquette Tulsa
9 Virginia Tech
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 25, 2017, 01:17:35 PM
I'd rather be an 11 than a 5. That chit historically spells trouble every year for a few teams. Might as well add a sports illustrated cover to it while we're at it. Give me a 6 or 7 and I'll breathe a little easier. I doubt a 4 is within reach unless we run da table, eh'ner?
This. Unless you're a top 4 seed, the 3/6/11/14 pod is where you want to be... you won't face a 1-seed until at least the regional finals, and that's a prime opportunity to knock them out (if someone else hasn't already). Although same concept for the 2/7/10/15, the 7/10/15-seeds typically don't fare as well against the 2-seeds as 6/11/14 does against the 3's in the opening weekend.
If MU runs the table and wins BET, they're an easy 3-seed. That's the ceiling. Their floor is probably 14 if they lose every remaining game but get the A-Q.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 26, 2017, 09:39:32 AM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology)
8 Marquette Tulsa
9 Virginia Tech
This would be a game that anyone with a lick of basketball knowledge would want to watch! would love to see JJJ and Wilson have the game of their lives.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 26, 2017, 07:16:32 AM
By the time the tournament rolls around, Gonzaga will have gone over three months without real competition. Sure, they beat Florida and Arizona in November and December, but who've they played since? St Mary's? The team whose best win to date is Dayton? BYU? Ugh.
I've been pondering this idea for a while now and I'm curious what you all would think:
Gonzaga should sign a deal with the Big East to play two non-con games vs Big East teams every year for 5 years. One home, one away. One in the middle of conference season instead of during the fall. It would give Gonzaga some late-season seasoning against quality teams and it would provide another chance for conference RPI boosting for the Big East on a yearly basis. Plus, it would build the bridge between us and another similarly minded Catholic basketball school.
Hell, MU should sign a perpetual home-and-home with Gonzaga ourselves, to build up a rivalry between the top two Catholic basketball schools in the nation.
Not Lunardi, but might as well put this here ... MU up to 32nd in SI's power rankings.
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/01/26/power-rankings-gonzaga-baylor-villanova-kansas-arizona
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 26, 2017, 09:56:21 AM
I've been pondering this idea for a while now and I'm curious what you all would think:
Gonzaga should sign a deal with the Big East to play two non-con games vs Big East teams every year for 5 years. One home, one away. One in the middle of conference season instead of during the fall. It would give Gonzaga some late-season seasoning against quality teams and it would provide another chance for conference RPI boosting for the Big East on a yearly basis. Plus, it would build the bridge between us and another similarly minded Catholic basketball school.
Hell, MU should sign a perpetual home-and-home with Gonzaga ourselves, to build up a rivalry between the top two Catholic basketball schools in the nation.
I'd sign up for either in a heart beat....much better option then making them a full member
Quote from: Pakuni on January 26, 2017, 10:08:00 AM
Not Lunardi, but might as well put this here ... MU up to 32nd in SI's power rankings.
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/01/26/power-rankings-gonzaga-baylor-villanova-kansas-arizona
With Dayton at 31...jesus Luke Winn, get your head out of your ass ;D
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 26, 2017, 09:56:21 AM
I've been pondering this idea for a while now and I'm curious what you all would think:
Gonzaga should sign a deal with the Big East to play two non-con games vs Big East teams every year for 5 years. One home, one away. One in the middle of conference season instead of during the fall. It would give Gonzaga some late-season seasoning against quality teams and it would provide another chance for conference RPI boosting for the Big East on a yearly basis. Plus, it would build the bridge between us and another similarly minded Catholic basketball school.
Hell, MU should sign a perpetual home-and-home with Gonzaga ourselves, to build up a rivalry between the top two Catholic basketball schools in the nation.
The defending champs might have something to say about this claim.
That said, it's not a bad idea in concept. The reality is probably harder, but not insurmountable.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 26, 2017, 09:56:21 AM
I've been pondering this idea for a while now and I'm curious what you all would think:
Gonzaga should sign a deal with the Big East to play two non-con games vs Big East teams every year for 5 years. One home, one away. One in the middle of conference season instead of during the fall. It would give Gonzaga some late-season seasoning against quality teams and it would provide another chance for conference RPI boosting for the Big East on a yearly basis. Plus, it would build the bridge between us and another similarly minded Catholic basketball school.
Hell, MU should sign a perpetual home-and-home with Gonzaga ourselves, to build up a rivalry between the top two Catholic basketball schools in the nation.
This would be great for BE bubble teams and at best a break-even for the locks. For Gonzaga, it would be great if they were playing the locks and at best a break-even if they were playing the bubble teams.
The only reason you're going to convince everyone to play along is if the networks are willing to shell out for it, which I doubt. Otherwise, the last thing Gonzaga wants to do in their situation is to play DePaul every 5 years.
Just beat Providence!
Quote from: Benny B on January 26, 2017, 10:17:05 AM
The only reason you're going to convince everyone to play along is if the networks are willing to shell out for it, which I doubt. Otherwise, the last thing Gonzaga wants to do in their situation is to play DePaul every 5 years.
I think there would be money in it. FS1 would pay for it, and if not them then ESPN or CBS. I think you could rope St. Mary's (and/or BYU, San Fran, etc) into the deal too.
Playing DePaul every five years isn't so bad if you a) have to go on the road to Chicago where you'll get eyeballs and recruits' attention and b) get a road win and c) also get to play Villanova as part of the deal.
Quote from: Benny B on January 26, 2017, 10:17:05 AM
This would be great for BE bubble teams and at best a break-even for the locks. For Gonzaga, it would be great if they were playing the locks and at best a break-even if they were playing the bubble teams.
The only reason you're going to convince everyone to play along is if the networks are willing to shell out for it, which I doubt. Otherwise, the last thing Gonzaga wants to do in their situation is to play DePaul every 5 years.
Depaul would fit in well in the WCC. They'd be a middle of the road team. I don't think playing them 2x in a decade is going to outweigh their ability to add a good game in conference season 9/10 times.
I think its a pretty great idea, honestly. But I am also of the opinion that if the BE ever expanded, they should add Gonzaga and St. Mary's. BE teams could do a 2 game WC road trip. But it would be a logistic nightmare for Gonzaga and St. Mary's travelwise.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on January 26, 2017, 09:47:20 AM
This would be a game that anyone with a lick of basketball knowledge would want to watch! would love to see JJJ and Wilson have the game of their lives.
Would they be able to withstand Buzz's mind games as he whispers to them from the opposing bench?
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 26, 2017, 09:56:21 AM
I've been pondering this idea for a while now and I'm curious what you all would think:
Gonzaga should sign a deal with the Big East to play two non-con games vs Big East teams every year for 5 years. One home, one away. One in the middle of conference season instead of during the fall. It would give Gonzaga some late-season seasoning against quality teams and it would provide another chance for conference RPI boosting for the Big East on a yearly basis. Plus, it would build the bridge between us and another similarly minded Catholic basketball school.
Hell, MU should sign a perpetual home-and-home with Gonzaga ourselves, to build up a rivalry between the top two Catholic basketball schools in the nation.
Very interesting idea. Too bad you're not commish of one of the conferences!
I actually like the MU/Zags idea more. Send a note to Scholl and let us know what he says.
As for Gonzaga not wanting to have to play crappy DePaul ... as somebody said, going to Chicago is a good trip for any school. And DePaul won't be crappy forever. Sports are cyclical. All it takes are leaders with vision. Saying something won't work because one team might suck 5 or 10 years down the line is kinda silly.
That seems pretty win-win as long as Few is there. I don't think you'd want to lock into that for more than 3-5 years at a time, because if Few bolted, that might turn into having that deal with San Francisco. But the Zags will be legit as long as Few is their coach, and if the arrangement turned into a really good one for the Zags, could produce some bargaining leverage as the realignment and affiliation wheels continue to turn.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 26, 2017, 09:56:21 AMGonzaga should sign a deal with the Big East to play two non-con games vs Big East teams every year for 5 years. One home, one away. One in the middle of conference season instead of during the fall. It would give Gonzaga some late-season seasoning against quality teams and it would provide another chance for conference RPI boosting for the Big East on a yearly basis. Plus, it would build the bridge between us and another similarly minded Catholic basketball school.
It's too bad that the bottom of the WCC is usually so terrible. What I'd like to see is maybe an annual series between the two leagues. Do it in February on a weekend. Top-5 from the Big East play the top-5 from the WCC. You can't do the entire league because the bottom of their league is so bad, but you'd generally get 3 marquee games (Gonzaga, BYU, St. Mary's), help out somewhat like-minded schools, and it'd be better than playing cupcakes.
The problem, of course, is how deep into the league you go. Would their perennial doormats sign off on a series deal that they would likely rarely benefit from?
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 26, 2017, 01:13:46 PM
It's too bad that the bottom of the WCC is usually so terrible. What I'd like to see is maybe an annual series between the two leagues. Do it in February on a weekend. Top-5 from the Big East play the top-5 from the WCC. You can't do the entire league because the bottom of their league is so bad, but you'd generally get 3 marquee games (Gonzaga, BYU, St. Mary's), help out somewhat like-minded schools, and it'd be better than playing cupcakes.
The problem, of course, is how deep into the league you go. Would their perennial doormats sign off on a series deal that they would likely rarely benefit from?
Pass. That series helps the WCC more than the BE. Just wait for Marquette at Loyola Marymount. Yawn.
Just do Gonzaga outright.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on January 26, 2017, 01:19:41 PM
Pass. That series helps the WCC more than the BE. Just wait for Marquette at Loyola Marymount. Yawn.
Just do Gonzaga outright.
Which is why I'd only want to go five deep. And agreed, it helps them more than us, but if we're winning 80%, that still helps us. The top-three are solid, after that, it gets sketchy quick. However, even the lower-level WCC teams are better than another buy game against Grambling.
Quote from: MUBurrow on January 26, 2017, 12:01:05 PM
That seems pretty win-win as long as Few is there.
Did you say the same when Monson was there?
Maybe Few's top assistant would be an even better head coach than Few, just as Few has been better than Monson.
I mean, who's better? Izzo or Heathcote? Heck, many (maybe most) here would argue that Buzz was a nice improvement on Crean.
Lunardi new bracket has us in the tourney as a 8 seed playing VT in the midwest. If we win that game we would play kansas, i like are chances against kansas. Kansas has a good backcourt but no front court
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
Quote from: MU82 on January 26, 2017, 01:22:33 PM
Did you say the same when Monson was there?
Maybe Few's top assistant would be an even better head coach than Few, just as Few has been better than Monson.
I mean, who's better? Izzo or Heathcote? Heck, many (maybe most) here would argue that Buzz was a nice improvement on Crean.
Sure, Few's top assistant might be great. But I wouldn't bet my future scheduling flexibility on it.
Quote from: MU82 on January 26, 2017, 01:22:33 PM
Heck, many (maybe most) here would argue that Buzz was a nice improvement on Crean.
Two jagholes
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on January 26, 2017, 01:35:42 PM
Lunardi new bracket has us in the tourney as a 8 seed playing VT in the midwest. If we win that game we would play kansas, i like are chances against kansas. Kansas has a good backcourt but no front court
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
By the time the tourney rolls around, KU may not have a back court either.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 23, 2017, 01:22:02 PM
Would looooove to play Gonzaga
In a later round perhaps because if we play the Zags on the first weekend it is short tournament for us
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 26, 2017, 01:21:23 PM
However, even the lower-level WCC teams are better than another buy game against Grambling.
Why is this always the go to scheduling meme? Wouldn't a road game more likely replace a game like Vanderbilt or Georgia?
A mediocre home game would be roughly on par with the Fresno St game. If MU wants to host Univ of San Fran, just do it as a buy game.
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 26, 2017, 11:27:10 AM
Would they be able to withstand Buzz's mind games as he whispers to them from the opposing bench?
Those are nothing compared to Wojo's mind games they experience every day!
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on January 26, 2017, 05:58:48 PM
Why is this always the go to scheduling meme? Wouldn't a road game more likely replace a game like Vanderbilt or Georgia?
A mediocre home game would be roughly on par with the Fresno St game. If MU wants to host Univ of San Fran, just do it as a buy game.
Because you won't get those Gonzaga, BYU, and St. Mary's games otherwise, and those are worthwhile. And I'm willing to take one of them in lieu of a Vandy or Georgia.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 26, 2017, 07:58:55 PM
Because you won't get those Gonzaga, BYU, and St. Mary's games otherwise, and those are worthwhile. And I'm willing to take one of them in lieu of a Vandy or Georgia.
So call Gonzaga and St. Mary's and try to schedule a home and home! Why do we need to make it a mini-conference challenge?
Truth be told, the WCC has one big fish: Gonzaga. I bet Gonzaga would demand to get another big fish. So you get Gonzaga vs Villanova, maybe one other good game, and a bunch of mediocrity. I don't see the logic.
Plus, St. Mary's is good some years but mediocre the others. The Gaels have 4 NCAA appearances and 5 NIT appearances in the last 10 years. This year they're likely a tourney team but they haven't danced the last 3. I wouldn't complain about them being on the schedule but I don't see the need to add an extra 2-3 games of mediocrity by roping in the rest of the conference.
Finally, BYU does nothing for me. Look at rpiforecast which lists the following expected rpi's:
Georgia 63.1
BYU 66.7
Vandy 78.9
So RPI wise and resume wise it's essentially a wash. I'd still take the SEC teams over the WCC team from a brand and excitement standpoint.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on January 26, 2017, 01:35:42 PM
Lunardi new bracket has us in the tourney as a 8 seed playing VT in the midwest. If we win that game we would play kansas, i like are chances against kansas. Kansas has a good backcourt but no front court
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
and kansas is struggling with sophomore carlton bragg, having just suspended him for the 2nd time in the last couple months. they say the suspension is due to "violation of team rules" and unrelated to the sexual assault that occurred in his dorm last month.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on January 26, 2017, 01:35:42 PM
Lunardi new bracket has us in the tourney as a 8 seed playing VT in the midwest.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
You don't think Lunardi did that for effect?
We may be an 8 seed, but there's a lot of 9 seeds we can play. I'd be shocked if we ended up playing the Hillbilly and his band of goofballs. That's too much even for the NCAA.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 27, 2017, 07:19:55 AM
You don't think Lunardi did that for effect?
We may be an 8 seed, but there's a lot of 9 seeds we can play. I'd be shocked if we ended up playing the Hillbilly and his band of goofballs. That's too much even for the NCAA.
I looked at the other 8 and 9 seeds and the only one we would lose to is Dayton...Even with kostas not playing its too much ;D
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on January 27, 2017, 07:38:04 AM
I looked at the other 8 and 9 seeds and the only one we would lose to is Dayton...Even with kostas not playing its too much ;D
We wouldn't have to play that game we already beat them.
I'd really like a matchup with ISU against Deonte
Quote from: Newsdrms on January 27, 2017, 08:43:12 AM
We wouldn't have to play that game we already beat them.
ssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
it's a secret.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on January 27, 2017, 08:54:36 AM
I'd really like a matchup with ISU against Deonte
That game would approach 100 if both teams brought their strokes
Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on January 27, 2017, 12:48:58 PM
That game would approach 100 if both teams brought their strokes
Hell with Deonte on the floor, we might score 150.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on January 27, 2017, 12:50:37 PM
Hell with Deonte on the floor, we might score 150.
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Quote from: dgies9156 on January 27, 2017, 07:19:55 AM
You don't think Lunardi did that for effect?
We may be an 8 seed, but there's a lot of 9 seeds we can play. I'd be shocked if we ended up playing the Hillbilly and his band of goofballs. That's too much even for the NCAA.
I've always wondered if Lunardi looked for storylines in his brackets. I remember being paired against IU in one. There was another where X and Arizona (former X coach) were in line to play in the second round. There have been others. Probably coincidence but you never know
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 27, 2017, 01:50:50 PM
I've always wondered if Lunardi looked for storylines in his brackets. I remember being paired against IU in one. There was another where X and Arizona (former X coach) were in line to play in the second round. There have been others. Probably coincidence but you never know
Why not. He should take liberties with the match-ups just so long as the seeds are reasonable. Nobody will hold him accountable for the same well over a month before the bracket starts to really take shape.
I read somewhere that the ncaa tries to avoid matchups like that in the opening rounds, try to avoid former coaches playing old schools, schools in the same conference, schools that played each other that year etc
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on January 27, 2017, 02:17:38 PM
I read somewhere that the ncaa tries to avoid matchups like that in the opening rounds, try to avoid former coaches playing old schools, schools in the same conference, schools that played each other that year etc
Really hoping to avoid VT and IU in the first round if we make the tourney.
Would it be great to beat them? Of course!!
Would we all have a meltdown if we don't?
Most likely. And the amount of "we should get buzz back!" Threads would be obnoxious.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on January 27, 2017, 02:17:38 PM
I read somewhere that the ncaa tries to avoid matchups like that in the opening rounds, try to avoid former coaches playing old schools, schools in the same conference, schools that played each other that year etc
No, yes, and yes.
It's important to understand the process: 1) Select 2) Seed 3) Bracket
The committee starts the balloting process for at-large teams about a week before they meet in Indy. By the time "Selection Friday" rolls around, there may be one or two teams that are still on the bubble subject to the results of the remaining conference tourney games, but the field of 68 is pretty much set at that point, or at least close enough so that they can start seeding everyone 1-68, which is probably the easiest of the three steps but also the most repetitive as there may be multiple iterations as the horns sound on the games yet to be played. Once the teams are seeded (or mostly seeded), they start bracketing the teams, even if seeding isn't quite finalized (but is close). Frankly, I'd love to see what some of those brackets look like... I'm thinking it's along the lines of Nash's "workshop" in A Beautiful mind with half the teams filled in and a bunch of string and arrows connecting the rest.
While the committee may have multiple iterations of "hypothetical" brackets on the table at any point (some of which will be sent to the circular as game results come in), remember that 14 conferences have their champion decided on "Selection Saturday" and 5 are decided on Sunday... in other words, at 8:00 a.m. on Saturday morning, there are still 29 games left to be played; if you were to draw up brackets to cover every possible combination of results that remained, even if 26 of those games are inconsequential, that's still 8 brackets you have to draw up.
Saturday is the calm before the storm... after the BE final is when the
fun scramble chaos starts.
With five games remaining, the committee is going to start drawing up a bracket late Saturday or early Sunday and filling it in as best they can. One of those five is the Sun Belt championship, so they're going to slot an AQ somewhere and focus on the remaining four championships: AAC, Big Televentwelveen, SEC and A-10. Depending on how the chips fall, these outcomes typically have minimal effect on the bracket, in which case the committee will presume a set of outcomes and finish the bracket accordingly, and if an unexpected result arises, at most they might flip-flop a team, seedline, pod, etc. But if there is a cinderella, or even two, remaining that could pull a major Sunday upset, that could throw everything off.
Now, most of the committee "guidelines" don't come into play until step 3; so not only is that the most complicated step, it's also the step which has the least amount of time to completed, not to mention a firm deadline. The less the committee has to consider in step 3, the better.
Point being, the committee doesn't have enough time to consider "storylines" and research coaches' employment histories when drawing up the bracket. They barely have enough time to focus on:
1) Avoiding home-crowd advantages for protected seeds (1-4), e.g. don't put 14-seed Dayton in Columbus against 3-seed UCLA.
2) Looking to see where teams have played opening rounds in the last couple tournaments (the oft ignored "Send-Marquette-to-the-West-Coast" guideline)
3) Avoiding regular season rematches (with appropriate round dependent upon how many times teams played).
4) Avoiding tournament rematches (from past couple years)
Great explanation Benny. The storylines are like playing 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon. The college basketball world is so connected that storylines just so happen to be there.
Even after yesterday's loss, Lunardi had us at 29 on his S curve. The highest 8 seed.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 29, 2017, 02:14:56 PM
Even after yesterday's loss, Lunardi had us at 29 on his S curve. The highest 8 seed.
Is that updated?
Quote from: fjm on January 29, 2017, 04:05:23 PM
Is that updated?
He tweeted it out as "Sunday seed list". So it should be updated.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 29, 2017, 04:39:28 PM
He tweeted it out as "Sunday seed list". So it should be updated.
Saaaaawwwwweeeeet!
New Bracket from lunardi today. Still has us as a 8 seed, except playing Arkansas this time
Also Arkansas does not have a ton of height either like us. They have a 6'10" kid, 6'9" and a couple 6'8"
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on January 30, 2017, 09:27:56 AM
New Bracket from lunardi today. Still has us as a 8 seed, except playing Arkansas this time
Also if MU would make it to the sweet 16 they would either play Notre Dame or Wisconsin
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on January 30, 2017, 10:49:30 AM
Also if MU would make it to the sweet 16 they would either play Notre Dame or Wisconsin
Or Valpo... Or maybe the Zips...
A win over the potential #1 overall seed will have a significantly greater impact than a loss to a decent conference opponent. Prov at home is a game that MU should win but it's not the type of game that is going to be a "bad loss" at the end of the season. The Nova win is the type of W than can raise a team several spots on the S curve. The Prov loss is a shrug.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 30, 2017, 11:41:18 AM
A win over the potential #1 overall seed will have a significantly greater impact than a loss to a decent conference opponent. Prov at home is a game that MU should win but it's not the type of game that is going to be a "bad loss" at the end of the season. The Nova win is the type of W than can raise a team several spots on the S curve. The Prov loss is a shrug.
However, what that Providence loss could do is, let's say MU stays right where they are the rest of the year..seed #29..(1st 8 seed), what it could do is knock MU off the 7 line(Say 27th, 28th) and if MU is going to be in the tournament anyway, then wouldn't we much rather they NOT be on the 8/9 line?? I sure would.
Quote from: muguru on January 30, 2017, 11:54:08 AM
However, what that Providence loss could do is, let's say MU stays right where they are the rest of the year..seed #29..(1st 8 seed), what it could do is knock MU off the 7 line(Say 27th, 28th) and if MU is going to be in the tournament anyway, then wouldn't we much rather they NOT be on the 8/9 line?? I sure would.g
I think what everyone is saying is that better we beat Nova and lose to Prov than the other way around.
Look when the Creighton game tipped off on January 21, all of us would have been happy with 2-1 over our next three. Scratch that...we would have been thrilled!
Yeah it sucks that we lost the easiest game to win on paper. However I gladly would take that loss if it means keeping the Nova win. That was special.
Look, MU has done what it needs to go to get into the tournament. Win the games we are supposed to win, and MU is in the dance. All of us would have taken that at the beginning of the year.
Lets just win the next game versus The Johnnies. That will be a solid road victory in the Garden.
Quote from: muguru on January 30, 2017, 11:54:08 AM
However, what that Providence loss could do is, let's say MU stays right where they are the rest of the year..seed #29..(1st 8 seed), what it could do is knock MU off the 7 line(Say 27th, 28th) and if MU is going to be in the tournament anyway, then wouldn't we much rather they NOT be on the 8/9 line?? I sure would.
So is this a fancy way of saying it is better to beat Providence than lose to them? Because I think all of us would agree with that. Of course, all of us (I assume) would rather beat Nova and lose to Providence than they other way around.
I'm not moving the goal posts.......if we get in I'm happy and its been a great year. Don't care about the seed.
Quote from: MuMark on January 30, 2017, 01:03:17 PM
if we get in I'm happy and its been a great year. Don't care about the seed.
Hear hear.
Keep in mind that not only is the schedule easier in the 2nd half because the teams are not as good, but also because the match ups for MU are more favorable. Providence and Xavier(with Sumner) are probably the toughest match-ups for MU. If X has to shut down Sumner, MU could theoretically be favored in 7 of our last 9, with only @X and @Georgetown not being favored. (Providence is a worse match up for MU than Georgetown, but that's not how Vegas works)
Quote from: MuMark on January 30, 2017, 01:03:17 PM
I'm not moving the goal posts.......if we get in I'm happy and its been a great year. Don't care about the seed.
Yes progress...
Quote from: MuMark on January 30, 2017, 01:03:17 PM
I'm not moving the goal posts.......if we get in I'm happy and its been a great year. Don't care about the seed.
Touche. Just get me there and let me enjoy the fun of having my team in the dance. I'd love a good draw, but you can't be greedy.
Quote from: Newsdrms on January 30, 2017, 01:57:56 PM
Yes progress...
Absolutely. It's fine to hope, but regardless of what happens in March (and April ;D), I'm content with a berth.
Bump
Former Texas Rangers great Bump Wills.
Quote from: MU82 on February 08, 2017, 09:52:04 PM
Former Texas Rangers great Bump Wills.
The real star of "The Natural", Bump Bailey?
11 seed vs St Mary's.
In Milwaukee... which isn't possible.
Quote from: fjm on February 10, 2017, 10:25:18 AM
11 seed vs St Mary's.
In Milwaukee... which isn't possible.
Yah, he should have just flipped us with Cal.
Quote from: buckchuckler on February 08, 2017, 09:54:58 PM
The real star of "The Natural", Bump Bailey?
Not for nothing, but Pop wasn't much of a manager. Couldn't he easily have put Bailey or Hobbs in LF and played them both?