I think he should. I'll admit, at first, I was not a big fan. Since, his return from injury, he has played extremely well. I like his heart and grit. He could be the leader this team needs.
It might help protect Hauser from early fouls. I don't really think switching up our starting lineup is necessary, but I wouldn't be mad if Katin started.
As long as he's getting 25+ mpg (which he did the past 6 games), I don't really care.
EDIT: And who's Katie Reinhardt? Is that Katin's sister? ;D
Who does he replace? It seems he has found a comfort zone and is getting minutes. No need to change what seems to be working.
Who?
He is getting his minutes and the offense is clicking. So, my question is, in place of whom? I don't see that JjJ, HC, or Sam would be better off of the bench.
Katin, damn spell check! I would have him replace Huaser and take some pressure off the Freshman.
He would be my third choice. MU needs to preserve the illusion of size. If I had to choose (and I like things the way they are), I would replace JjJ. HC needs to play big minutes for his defense.
I think one of Wojo's strongest points as a coach is his willingness to ride a hot hand - so who starts really doesn't matter. Play well, minutes increase. Play poorly, bench time increases - at least for that game. I like that.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 22, 2017, 05:01:59 PM
I think one of Wojo's strongest points as a coach is his willingness to ride a hot hand - so who starts really doesn't matter. Play well, minutes increase. Play poorly, bench time increases - at least for that game. I like that.
Sounds like an in-game adjustment to me. Certainly something Wojo is not capable of
Maybe down the road if the shots stop falling and Wojo needs to change things up. But for the time being, I think Katin coming off the bench as the most experienced player on the team is a nice setup. If the team gets blitzed early, he can come in to calm things down. And with JjJ and Fischer already not around next year, I think it helps a bit psychologically to project the consistency of starting Howard, Cheatham and Hauser now and into the future. I don't think the marginal benefit of starting Katin over Cheatham or Hauser, only to then start both of those guys again next year - is worth it.
No. Katin's run has been with him coming off the bench. You don't mess with a good thing.
Starting is overrated. Katin is getting plenty of minutes. That's what matters.
All good points, just seems like Sam has hit a wall. Thought it might take some pressure off him. Mainly I just love the heart and leadership Katin has shown since recovering from his injury.
No. Come off the bench. He's been great. He is an awesome catalyst off the bench. He, rowsey, heldt and Duane have been amazing off the bench.
Sam is a better defensive rebounder. Sub or start for JjJ.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 22, 2017, 06:54:04 PM
Sam is a better defensive rebounder. Sub or start for JjJ.
No way, outside of Howard, JJJ is the only person that can get to the rim consistently. Need the drive and kick for our offense.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 22, 2017, 05:31:04 PM
No. Katin's run has been with him coming off the bench. You don't mess with a good thing.
Starting is overrated. Katin is getting plenty of minutes. That's what matters.
I agree. Based on maintaining good size, Katin would be a better replacement for JJJ. JJJ has a fragile ego, in my opinion, and replacing him in the starting lineup would not be helpful overall. Leave it as it is, bring KR off the bench for either JJJ or Hauser and make sure he gets plenty of minutes.
win win win.
The rotation is working very well. Would not change things up.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 22, 2017, 05:01:59 PM
I think one of Wojo's strongest points as a coach is his willingness to ride a hot hand - so who starts really doesn't matter. Play well, minutes increase. Play poorly, bench time increases - at least for that game. I like that.
Agreed. Things are trending in the right direction. Moving a starter now would be overthinking the issue (is there really an issue?) especially considering Wojo has been consistent with his hot hand philosophy.
Starting no matta.
Katin played a team high 34 minutes against Creighton. It's not who starts but who finishes.
I like Katin's versatility off the bench. He can for for Sam, Jajuan, or Cheatham. Foul trouble and poor play determines who goes to the bench first.
Quote from: denverMU on January 22, 2017, 06:00:09 PM
All good points, just seems like Sam has hit a wall. Thought it might take some pressure off him. Mainly I just love the heart and leadership Katin has shown since recovering from his injury.
What wall has Sam hit? He's been in double figures in 8 of our last 11 games and each of our last 2 games. And in 1 of the 3 games he didn't score in double figures he had 9 boards, 3 blocks, and played some outstanding defense (beyond the blocks). He's been great for a freshman.
Katin is a spark off the bench. I like where he's at.
I like another defensive rebounder on the floor to start the game.. 18.2% for Sam vs. (a career-high) 8.8% for Katin. Personal preference, perhaps?
The other thing is %Shots... Sam is now more in the role (this will change over time) where he's a lower-volume shooter... will make you pay if you leave him alone... Katin still more of a guy with a quicker trigger.. JjJ and Markus start... Markus is the conference's top %Shots guy... adding Katin can be a conflict.. like to start off with Sam for that reason as well..
From what I gather, it seems like Sam has a very similar role to Novak in his freshman year. Wasn't paying attention to MUBB aback then so any truth to that comparison?
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 22, 2017, 08:14:29 PM
From what I gather, it seems like Sam has a very similar role to Novak in his freshman year. Wasn't paying attention to MUBB aback then so any truth to that comparison?
Statistically, there are a ton of similarities.. same profile.. biggest different is defensive rebounding. Novak not good, Hauser making a nice contribution. More than 80% of Novak's shots were 3-point attempts.. Sam's at 70%.. but, Sam is a guy where you could see that drop quite a bit over the years.. far more versatile game, but the statistical profile comparison for this season.. yeah, a lot of similarities
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 22, 2017, 08:14:29 PM
From what I gather, it seems like Sam has a very similar role to Novak in his freshman year. Wasn't paying attention to MUBB aback then so any truth to that comparison?
Like JB said similar, but Novak was one-dimensional. Hauser has much better handle and can be used in a larger effort than catch and shoot.
I don't think it really matters. It's all about who is finishing.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on January 22, 2017, 07:50:17 PM
It's not who starts but who finishes.
Well said, Sammy Sosa!
I agree with you and all others who say, "Why mess with success?"
Quote from: denverMU on January 22, 2017, 06:00:09 PM
All good points, just seems like Sam has hit a wall. Thought it might take some pressure off him. Mainly I just love the heart and leadership Katin has shown since recovering from his injury.
Sam is leading the team in o rating the past five games and had played solid defense. He's just had a little foul trouble. If this is him hitting a wall, I can't wait to see what he's like when he's past it
Quote from: wadesworld on January 22, 2017, 08:00:43 PM
What wall has Sam hit? He's been in double figures in 8 of our last 11 games and each of our last 2 games. And in 1 of the 3 games he didn't score in double figures he had 9 boards, 3 blocks, and played some outstanding defense (beyond the blocks). He's been great for a freshman.
Katin is a spark off the bench. I like where he's at.
Agreed. I don't think much has changed with Sam from earlier this season other than teams are more aware of limiting his looks. He's still knocking down shots when he does get a look. At this point he hasn't shown much ability to create his own shot, but there is still significant value in having a tall spot up shooter to space the floor, and he provides size and defensive rebounding we need. Katin, since his return from injury, provides a scoring boost off the bench and seems to be a stabilizing presence. Wojo referred to him as a "starter" in his post-game comments after Creighton, but added that more importantly he finishes. That's a good message to send, and I don't see a reason to tinker at this point.
Right now Katin is playing the best ball of his career coming off the bench. We're only 7 games into the Big East schedule — but here's a look at his stats in conference play:
MPG 27.3
FG% 50.8% (32-63)
2PT% 72.2% (13-18)
3PT% 42.2% (19-45)
eFG% 65.9%
RPG 4.0
APG 4.4
SPG 1.3
As pointed out previously, Sam's a significantly better defensive rebounder. But I love what Katin has been bringing to the floor. When MU's offense is clicking, there are simply too many weapons to guard.
I say don't mess with happy, hey?
This thread sucks for me. When Reinhardt started slow and people were bashing him I thought for sure my Hatin' on Katin would make the meme tourney.
Alas his play has guaranteed it has no chance. 8-)
Quote from: Marcus92 on January 23, 2017, 12:19:19 PM
Right now Katin is playing the best ball of his career coming off the bench. We're only 7 games into the Big East schedule — but here's a look at his stats in conference play:
MPG 27.3
FG% 50.8% (32-63)
2PT% 72.2% (13-18)
3PT% 42.2% (19-45)
eFG% 65.9%
RPG 4.0
APG 4.4
SPG 1.3
As pointed out previously, Sam's a significantly better defensive rebounder. But I love what Katin has been bringing to the floor. When MU's offense is clicking, there are simply too many weapons to guard.
Impossible.
Katin sucks. So many Scoopers were so convinced of it after, like, 2 games that it had to have been true.
He is al in for tonight, leader?
https://twitter.com/5swish/status/823980131383476226
How's everyone feeling now? I think we would be better with him starting.
Quote from: denverMU on January 25, 2017, 12:21:54 AM
How's everyone feeling now? I think we would be better with him starting.
Nope. Don't mess with a good thing. He's getting starters' minutes. That is what mattas
See the great philosopher Crash Davis.
If he wants to put up SOTG numbers against top-10 teams off the bench, I'm not messing with it.
Quote from: denverMU on January 25, 2017, 12:21:54 AM
How's everyone feeling now? I think we would be better with him starting.
Katin had a team high 32 minutes off the bench. That after a team high 34 on Saturday. Starting no matta. It is minutes played and who finishes.
If it aint broke...