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Freshmen leading the way early, MU up 12-6 with all scoring from Markus and Sam.

Howard is just really really damn good

Welp missed bound and an 1 :(

They have gotten some fortunate bounces so far on misses

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Fool's gold offense so far.  Going to actually run some sets and get the ball inside at some point.  First 17 year old reference.

butlers Offensice rebounds killin us

Heldt with a great board. His shot....  He'll work on it.

This lineup is not as effective as the starters against Butler.

Gonna need to start grabbing some boards

Last two butler buckets off of offensive rebounds after great defensive stops.... So frustrating

Quote from: tower912 on January 16, 2017, 11:12:45 AM
Fool's gold offense so far.  Going to actually run some sets and get the ball inside at some point.  First 17 year old reference.

This teams strength is from the perimeter.  Dumping the ball to luke is fools gold.
Now if ur referencing driving the ball i would agree

Well, can't blame wojo for not preaching on it

The boys came to play. 

Howard, is really, really, really good

--Is Howard going to be a superstar?  How can he be this good? Who else was recruiting this guy?

--HC is even bricking FT's badly.

The defense appears to have improved.

Heldt plays great defense

Get luke the unnatural carnal knowledge out!!! Cant play d and cant reebound!!!
And suuuucks on O

--Missed rebounds always cost MU dearly. 

--Fischer just isn't very good.  And not smart.

We can score
We need a 5 to defend and rebound

Well, the first half crumble is in effect.

Hopefully it's the only one and things get back on track

MU now not running offense and waiting for Markus to bail them out.  Fool's gold.  Need to grab a defensive rebound.

Why can't we hold a lead?

Luke checks in 7-0 run

Show me ur bs stats again

I see the games

Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 16, 2017, 11:35:28 AM
Luke checks in 7-0 run

Show me ur bs stats again

I see the games

LOL

Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 16, 2017, 11:35:07 AM
Why can't we hold a lead?

Because it's a game of runs and Butler is good. Why did Butler let us get up 12 in the first place? Come on.

Put Luke back in.  Run some offense.  Quit settling for early shot clock 3s. 

Hauser found his range.

When Marquette shoots 3 s in rhythm, they are money.  Have forced a couple.

Fantastic close to the half.

Rowsey rushed the final shot tho.

Keep playing good D, grab the defensive boards and keep moving the ball!

Best half of basketball so far this season.  Sure we need to board better. But this is a ranked team in their gym.

Was that the best half of basketball we have seen this year?  I vote yes

Now don't run it all down your leg in the second half.

Now, can we hold the lead.

#justwinbaby

Do we keep up the intensity? True test right now, comin out of the half, butler will make adjustments, MU hopefully can do the same and keep the foot on the gas, not get complacent....

Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 16, 2017, 11:35:28 AM
Luke checks in 7-0 run

Show me ur bs stats again

I see the games

Fischer stayed in and we outscored them by 11 the rest of the half.

Show me your bs stats again

I see the games.

Quote from: jsglow on January 16, 2017, 11:45:35 AM
Best half of basketball so far this season.  Sure we need to board better. But this is a ranked team in their gym.

Best part is I think we could definitely have been even better. With the second chance pts given up and some stagnant offense in the middle there.

Hopefully they keep this up!

Not only best half this year, maybe best half MU has played in about 4 years.

Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on January 16, 2017, 11:45:48 AM
Was that the best half of basketball we have seen this year?  I vote yes

Now don't run it all down your leg in the second half.

Notwithstanding the lights out shooting fest on Saturday, I would say this or Vandy 2H. I say this one because it feels like even though Butler got second chance points, the defense even on those stands were pretty stout.

Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 16, 2017, 11:47:03 AM
Fischer stayed in and we outscored them by 11 the rest of the half.

Show me your bs stats again

I see the games.

Testify.

Based on some of the chatter here I would have guessed we're losing.  Rather we're up 16!

C'mon Man!

Frosh with 27 points on 11-16 shooting including 5-9 from three on the road versus ranked team.

Not too shabby.

Marquette's defense up to the shot going up was the best all year. 

Can we play 40 minutes against a team known to make adjustments in the second half?  Play to win, not to not lose.

Only 3 TOs and 14 defensive boards.  Pushing the pace.

That was an impressive first half. GO WARRIORS!!

The run is coming.  Need to match the intensity and weather the storm

Quote from: tower912 on January 16, 2017, 11:56:01 AM
The run is coming.  Need to match the intensity and weather the storm

This is probably true. That said, "the run" last half was abbreviated by some damn good defense by Marquette that ultimately gave Marquette a counter-run. Just keep em short and don't have your own drought.

So they have to out score us by 25 to beat the odds this next half?

Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on January 16, 2017, 11:47:49 AM
Best part is I think we could definitely have been even better. With the second chance pts given up and some stagnant offense in the middle there.

Hopefully they keep this up!

Agreed.  Butler will make a run and we need to stay on our game.  Sure Wojo preaching first 4 minutes.

Over half the latest ranking were released.  Butler was #12 in the first half and they are #13 in the second half.

Good d.  Weak foul.

Let's win the first five minutes of the second half!

Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on January 16, 2017, 12:01:21 PM
Over half the latest ranking were released.  Butler was #12 in the first half and they are #13 in the second half.

Would make our potential win worse now!!!

Hope teal wasn't needed

Luke's critics will hate his game today. His fans will love it. Box score doesn't show box outs, extra passes, or how the coverage he draws opens up our shooters.

Apparently calling it tight in the second hpalf

Need Haani to keep hitting those.

Gotta love the shooting so far.  Let's keep it up for another 17:35!

Cheatam has got to make that.

And now here comes the run

That's about as sloppy a pass as you can make.  Take care of the ball, box out and we got this.

Careless by Markus.  Gird the loins, the push is coming.

Good time out

Good Timeout...Have a good possession here and stem the tide....fingers crossed. Could be the biggest win for MU in years.

How is Sam deflecting a pass a foul?

...and JJ does his thing.   Butler home cooking starting to simmer.

Just racking up the fouls now

crap, smell leg.

Cmon guys

Have to get that rebound!  Jeez, they are calling it tight this half.

6 fouls  on MU is  first 4 min.... >:(

Get the kitty litter.

Good god. Those were some bad fouls given. Boys need to shake it off and get back to what they were doing before.

We have to brace for their run and hold them off.

Run some offense.  Time to drive.  Stop settling for fool's gold 3s.  Like that

Calling all seniors
Calling all seniors

nice hops Haani!

And that.  Need some defensive intensity

Duane laying on floor like Sonny Liston..

they are calling everything on us.  That was not a foul on howard and that was a charge taken by duane

Defensive help?

So what do we lose by...15

This may be Luke's worst performance of his career relative to his low-post defense.

Wow, Luke...

........

Feels like we're toast.  Pull it together boys!

Len pointing out lukes standing n watching vs widemans blocking duanes shot is lukes issues in a nutshell

Sorry luke defenders but there are nonstats for that. We are a better team with heldt in there.   Or in the first half with hauser in the post

We knew they would make a run but this is really bad

come on......survive the run and hit em hard.

Wojo laid it out.   Need defensive cajones. 

Need to throw Matt in there for a little bit.

Luke, get the F out of the game!

2nd chance opportunities continue to kill us

And with another stupid foul on Rowsey

Get him oooouuuuuttttt!!!!!!

Officiating has taken over, but Luke has become worthless and clueless at both ends.

Ref show unfortunately. Looking like they had the -8.5

Just flat out terrible.


The worst meltdown yet

Only MU could turn a 16 point halftime lead into a 4 point deficit. Unbelievable gag job.

Wow.  Wow.

Let's see if we have any stones. 

Wow.

I hope we have a run left, but Butler just turned up the gas way up...

If Heldt was competent, he would be in the game now.

We're good enough to get up big on teams. Not good enough to put them away. Really frustrating.

I used to be in love with college ball. The constant fouls really ruins the flow of the game. Just unwatchable.

game

A top 15 with a huge home court advantage came out more aggressively.    Wojo pleaded for intensity in the last timeout and the senior's version of intensity is dumb fouls and dumb shots. 

This is the ultimate choke. Time to throw up.

Stupid fouls

Yikes!  How come this team can't this team so be both so good and so bad in the same game?

MU is going to lose by 8-10.   Much like the Vegas line.   Beating a top 15 team on the road sucks.    MU needs to find a way to raise their intensity in the second half.    Consistent problem. 

This is so pathetic. Don't care about all the "we weren't supposed to win" crap. We were up 18 in the second half. We might lose by as much.

#RefShow

Five fouls called on MU in the entire first half, 12 in the first 12 minutes of the second.

Quote from: Lazar's Headband on January 16, 2017, 12:38:47 PM
Yikes!  How come this team can't this team so be both so good and so bad in the same game?

No senior leadership.. Times get tuff n jjj n luke disappear its that simple

JJJ step up please

And once again Wojo tries NOTHING to try to stop this..

63-63 we got this. 

Smart by rowsey not fouling

Quote from: muguru on January 16, 2017, 12:40:29 PM
And once again Wojo tries NOTHING to try to stop this..

Bullsh!t.   You can only call so many timeouts and spell out exactly what you want in so many ways.   Players have to up their intensity. 

Sweet move by JjJ.  Need him to step up.

We got this.  Play some D.  They can't keep shooting 72%.

Why did katin take that shot that was stupid

My kingdom for a stop!

Quote from: tower912 on January 16, 2017, 12:42:51 PM
Bullsh!t.   You can only call so many timeouts and spell out exactly what you want in so many ways.   Players have to up their intensity.

Well let's see...they are getting all their points  inside...ummm how about a zone (even if for only a few possessions)?? How about some fullcourt pressure, how about SOMETHING different to try to change this?? he does nothing. Give them a different look!

Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on January 16, 2017, 12:43:28 PM
Sweet move by JjJ.  Need him to step up.

We got this.  Play some D.  They can't keep shooting 72%.

They can if we keep giving up layups. Need Heldt in there to have some out of interior presence. Ha user is doing well but we can't really afford for him to pick up another foul right now trying to defend the low post.

Quote from: tower912 on January 16, 2017, 12:42:51 PM
Bullsh!t.   You can only call so many timeouts and spell out exactly what you want in so many ways.   Players have to up their intensity.

Nah man, some people expect wojo to rip off his suit exposing his uniform underneath so he can get out here and slap the floor on D.

I like our progress.   I am encouraged.   Having said that, who is to blame for this type of collapse?  Honest question.

Hauser can guard chrabacz n did well doing it in the first half.  Hausers 3rd foul n wojo putting fisher on him cost us this game

Quote from: jonny09 on January 16, 2017, 12:47:30 PM
I like our progress.   I am encouraged.   Having said that, who is to blame for this type of collapse?  Honest question.

Players for not executing. Wojo didn't commit those stupid fouls.

Fischer suiting up cost us this game. Worst big man in the conference, and it isn't close.

Dagger

Quote from: muguru on January 16, 2017, 12:46:10 PM
Well let's see...they are getting all their points  inside...ummm how about a zone (even if for only a few possessions)?? How about some fullcourt pressure, how about SOMETHING different to try to change this?? he does nothing. Give them a different look!

His option is to put Fischer in with 4, put Heldt in (my choice).    Right now, a timid Hauser is the big in the game.  Playing 5 little guys in a zone doesn't work.    Trying to pressure a team that never turns the ball over doesn't work.    The guys on the floor not playing defense and helping is the problem.   Need to match the home team's intensity.    Players aren't doing it. 

14-6 in fouls the second half if anyone was curious.

Quote from: tower912 on January 16, 2017, 12:49:26 PM
His option is to put Fischer in with 4, put Heldt in (my choice).    Right now, a timid Hauser is the big in the game.  Playing 5 little guys in a zone doesn't work.    Trying to pressure a team that never turns the ball over doesn't work.    The guys on the floor not playing defense and helping is the problem.   Need to match the home team's intensity.    Players aren't doing it.

This, a zone will not work with the tallest guy being 6-7 and nobody with any sort of length.

Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 16, 2017, 12:51:04 PM
14-6 in fouls the second half if anyone was curious.

Shows how we played on our heels is all

Didn't expect a win.  Didn't expect the complete collapse

Quote from: ecompt on January 16, 2017, 12:48:48 PM
Fischer suiting up cost us this game. Worst big man in the conference, and it isn't close.

Advanced analytics will tell you otherwise....and that is exactly why stats do not tell the whole story.  Not saying there is a better option on this roster, but that is exactly the problem with this team this year.

Some hero ball

It boggles my mind that a guy known for defensive toughness and grit as a player can coach a team that exhibits no toughness whatsoever.

MU taking epic collapses to a whole nother level. Great job! They should be proud

Pittsburgh, seton hall x2, butler what more do u want to see about how mentally soft jjj and Fisher are?

We will miss these guys??

Addition by subtraction, this team is led by hairy wet cats

Another hungo dippy shot by rinehart.

Quote from: Afroman on January 16, 2017, 12:54:26 PM
It boggles my mind that a guy known for defensive toughness and grit as a player can coach a team that exhibits no toughness whatsoever.

Ultimately it comes down to player leadership.  When you have upperclassmen that are are soft and play with no intensity that is they kind of team you will have.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 16, 2017, 11:59:22 AM
So they have to out score us by 25 to beat the odds this next half?

...about that...

Quote from: Afroman on January 16, 2017, 12:54:26 PM
It boggles my mind that a guy known for defensive toughness and grit as a player can coach a team that exhibits no toughness whatsoever.

Coach cant suit it up n in his defense he didnt recruit jjj or fisher

Too many missed 3s.  We live and die by them.

Fisher n jjj dont have the stones to play in an NCAA tourney during their careers, they are getting what they deserve

It's not even a slow choke.  Like, you could put some scarecrows out there and they'd maintain that big of lead a little longer.  Doesn't help that the only real team leader is the 17 year old freshman.

Screw off Holtman, dont call timeouts.

Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 16, 2017, 12:56:45 PM
Coach cant suit it up n in his defense he didnt recruit jjj or fisher

Fischer backing down and giving up a real easy layup to start the 2nd half set a horrible tone and it was a layup drill after that.

What a joke!

Fischer, "advanced analytics" or not, STINKS.  Does he even want to play basketball?

JJJ, glimpses of brilliance, overall terrible.

61pt 2nd half for Butler. Yes you can blame both wojo and the players.

People talk about how Crean never made good in game adjustments, but holy smokes I think Wojo is way worse.

Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 16, 2017, 12:58:41 PM
Fisher n jjj dont have the stones to play in an NCAA tourney during their careers, they are getting what they deserve

jjj can play fish is just terrible

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 16, 2017, 12:57:45 PM
Too many missed 3s.  We live and die by them.

This. It also kills or grows confidence quickly. The former was MU, the latter was Butler in the 2nd half.

63 point half

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 16, 2017, 01:01:10 PM
People talk about how Crean never made good in game adjustments, but holy smokes I think Wojo is way worse.

I've said this over and over. I believe Wojo can gameplan but once the opponent adjusts, he can't counter.

This team is painful to watch. At halftime, I told my wife that I wouldn't be surprised if Butler won by 10. Only off by 2.

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 16, 2017, 12:57:45 PM
Too many missed 3s.  We live and die by them.

Honestly, I felt like they needed to do more drive kick 3s in the 2nd half. Felt like they settled for aimless drives for the majority of it

So do coaches get the blame for a collapse like this in the NBA or NFL? 

We looked good in the first half when.... Hauser was playing the 5 or when Heldt was playing the 5 moving his feet and providing help and challenging on the boards. 
Fisher is the fools gold on this team

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 16, 2017, 01:01:10 PM
People talk about how Crean never made good in game adjustments, but holy smokes I think Wojo is way worse.

His options were, after the way the second half was being called and foul trouble....  1.   Put Heldt in and play zone.   2.   Go small and hope to keep making shots.     That's it.    The players weren't playing defense.    They showed they could in the first half and quit in the second.   

Thought our D was getting better,not!! Fish looks awful and the lead that never was..

Fisher 0 fgs, 1 reb!!!!!!!, 5 fouls
The dog wont hunt!!
Wojo ur loyalty is killing them!

Too bad there is not a stat for standing their and watching the game go by, he would lead pomeroy in that stat.

Tommy Lasorda once told me there are two types of players.  Those that make it happen n those that watch it happen.  Well...

Holtman and Chabatz make me sick to my stomach

Quote from: tower912 on January 16, 2017, 01:06:09 PM
His options were, after the way the second half was being called and foul trouble....  1.   Put Heldt in and play zone.   2.   Go small and hope to keep making shots.     That's it.    The players weren't playing defense.    They showed they could in the first half and quit in the second.   

Put in Heldt? Do you watch him when he's in the game? He would be average in the WIAC.

So you are admitting Wojo had no options. 

I would play the walk-on Franklin over Heldt.

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 16, 2017, 01:04:28 PM
I've said this over and over. I believe Wojo can gameplan but once the opponent adjusts, he can't counter.

This team is painful to watch. At halftime, I told my wife that I wouldn't be surprised if Butler won by 10. Only off by 2.

I think the problem isn't his inability to adjust, it's that he doesn't adjust as much with the lead. Against Pittsburgh, Wisconsin, and now Butler, we tried to hold leads while the other team adjusted. You need to adjust your play whether you are ahead or behind because they WILL adjust.

Rewatch the first half when heldt was in... Then watch fisher. 

Quote from: Afroman on January 16, 2017, 01:13:11 PM
I would play the walk-on Franklin over Heldt.

Now you're just being a troll if you weren't already.

Quote from: Afroman on January 16, 2017, 01:13:11 PM
I would play the walk-on Franklin over Heldt.

That is dumb. Flat out, overreacting myopic fan stupid.    Like every other player, Matt has good games and bad games.   How long ago did he play heroically against Seton Hall down the stretch?

No worries all...most are happy with the progress Wojo has made, and where the program is under his leadership.

I thought Matt's defense was a high point of that first half. He's much better at providing help on guys driving than Fischer in my opinion.

Need to give Fischer the Ol' Lane Kiffin treatment and leave him behind, huh?

Quote from: jonny09 on January 16, 2017, 01:04:54 PM
So do coaches get the blame for a collapse like this in the NBA or NFL?

They sure as hell don't get contract extensions.

I didn't watch the game but my basketball IQ tells me something really, really went wrong if we blew a 16 point lead at halftime.

You can blame it on Wojo all you want but to give up 63 points in a half aint on Wojo, it's on the guys. NBA teams don't do that and they get eight more minutes per half than we do! At some point you have to play defense and stop fouling out. We also have to be patient and not willing to jack up threes from lala land. In fact, part of what the problem of the Saturday DePaul game may have been was the mistaken belief that our guys can hit from anywhere anytime. Fact is, a great shooting team only hits about 40 percent of their threes and if you don't have a drive-and-dish or inside game, you have the capability to let a team on the ropes back into a game.

The sad thing is that this team has only been blown out of three games this year -- Villanova (who is Number 1 in the country), Wisconsin and Michigan (maybe they are in a giving mood to the Big 10). The rest of our losses, Seton Hall, Pittsburgh and now Butler, were easily winnable games. Imagine where we would be if we had one even two of the three (Seton Hall and Butler would be my choice). If we want to make the NCAA, these are the games we have to win.

At this point, if we go 10-8 and make the NCAA, we'd be a 9 to 10 seed and likely would have to play a Wisconsin or Butler caliber team on a neutral court. Unless we grow quickly, it is hard for me to imagine we're good enough to make it past the first day of the tournament.

Quote from: dgies9156 on January 16, 2017, 01:26:09 PM
I didn't watch the game but my basketball IQ tells me something really, really went wrong if we blew a 16 point lead at halftime.

You can blame it on Wojo all you want but to give up 63 points in a half aint on Wojo, it's on the guys. NBA teams don't do that and they get eight more minutes per half than we do! At some point you have to play defense and stop fouling out. We also have to be patient and not willing to jack up threes from lala land. In fact, part of what the problem of the Saturday DePaul game may have been was the mistaken belief that our guys can hit from anywhere anytime. Fact is, a great shooting team only hits about 40 percent of their threes and if you don't have a drive-and-dish or inside game, you have the capability to let a team on the ropes back into a game.

The sad thing is that this team has only been blown out of three games this year -- Villanova (who is Number 1 in the country), Wisconsin and Michigan (maybe they are in a giving mood to the Big 10). The rest of our losses, Seton Hall, Pittsburgh and now Butler, were easily winnable games. Imagine where we would be if we had one even two of the three (Seton Hall and Butler would be my choice). If we want to make the NCAA, these are the games we have to win.

At this point, if we go 10-8 and make the NCAA, we'd be a 9 to 10 seed and likely would have to play a Wisconsin or Butler caliber team on a neutral court. Unless we grow quickly, it is hard for me to imagine we're good enough to make it past the first day of the tournament.

At this point, I'd just be happy with them getting in and taking my chances.

Quote from: cheebs09 on January 16, 2017, 01:18:44 PM
I thought Matt's defense was a high point of that first half. He's much better at providing help on guys driving than Fischer in my opinion.

BINGO
We dont need points from the 5 we need a defensive post presence!!!

Quote from: dgies9156 on January 16, 2017, 01:26:09 PM
I didn't watch the game but my basketball IQ tells me something really, really went wrong if we blew a 16 point lead at halftime.

You can blame it on Wojo all you want but to give up 63 points in a half aint on Wojo, it's on the guys. NBA teams don't do that and they get eight more minutes per half than we do! At some point you have to play defense and stop fouling out. We also have to be patient and not willing to jack up threes from lala land. In fact, part of what the problem of the Saturday DePaul game may have been was the mistaken belief that our guys can hit from anywhere anytime. Fact is, a great shooting team only hits about 40 percent of their threes and if you don't have a drive-and-dish or inside game, you have the capability to let a team on the ropes back into a game.

The sad thing is that this team has only been blown out of three games this year -- Villanova (who is Number 1 in the country), Wisconsin and Michigan (maybe they are in a giving mood to the Big 10). The rest of our losses, Seton Hall, Pittsburgh and now Butler, were easily winnable games. Imagine where we would be if we had one even two of the three (Seton Hall and Butler would be my choice). If we want to make the NCAA, these are the games we have to win.

At this point, if we go 10-8 and make the NCAA, we'd be a 9 to 10 seed and likely would have to play a Wisconsin or Butler caliber team on a neutral court. Unless we grow quickly, it is hard for me to imagine we're good enough to make it past the first day of the tournament.

There I disagree. I think Marquette wins today on a neutral court. Home cooking happens. Today it happened. Learn what went well in first and what failed in second half and move on to the next one.

Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 16, 2017, 01:34:46 PM
There I disagree. I think Marquette wins today on a neutral court. Home cooking happens. Today it happened. Learn what went well in first and what failed in second half and move on to the next one.

I think they beat Butler at home. They are a completely different team on the road.

Why can't we defend layups?  Our defense stinks when it's crunch time.  Our players either step out of the way or stand flat footed with hands stretched straight up inviting the opposing player to shoot into them to earn a foul.  Our basket defense is pathetic.  Where is the coaching?

Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on January 16, 2017, 03:26:34 PM
Why can't we defend layups?  Our defense stinks when it's crunch time.  Our players either step out of the way or stand flat footed with hands stretched straight up inviting the opposing player to shoot into them to earn a foul.  Our basket defense is pathetic.  Where is the coaching?

5'10, 6'4, 6'5 guys contesting at the rim against 6'7 guys.    Every time they did, it was called a foul.    They could have contested all they wanted and it wouldn't matter.    Getting abused off of the dribble..... there's a different problem.