You simply MUST win in regulation. We have got to be better at end game situations. We were very fortunate to come away with a victory. A loss particularly on a blown 7 point lead after the other SH game would have been devastating. What does this team have to be up in the last minute to be assured of a win, double figures, 20 ??
This is a good free throw shooting team. But this time Haani misses both ends of a double bonus. Katin throws up a 3 when he could have run 20 seconds off the clock and probably ended up at the free throw line.
You could see in OT Haani didn't want to be anywhere near the ball. He's going to have to come through to get his end game confidence back
Got to figure it out. If we're going to steal a couple of wins we'll have to close the door on a better team and probably on the road when we're fortunate enough to a 3-7 point lead
An OT win counts the same in the standings as a win in regulation.
Granted, going to overtime means the outcome is still in question. Winning in regulation means it's over. But every team has close games. Finding a way to earn the victory (which Marquette did tonight) is invaluable for players and coaches alike.
Good teams close those games out......period.
Free Rowsey
I'd rather be up 7 and win in overtime than be up 7 and have it end in regulation on a Carrington 3.
So you and PFsHeroes are complaining about a win. i honestly believe if they had won in regulation by 3 you would complain that they didn't beat the spread and if they won by 7 you would complain that they didn't win by double digits. if they won by 19 you would complain that.....oh you get the point, the two of you just complain away.
Quote from: mugrack on January 11, 2017, 10:22:00 PM
Free Rowsey
Couldn't bring the ball up against the press. Plus, that means Markus is on the bench, so...
We get the W and 5 extra minutes of hoops.
Win-win.
Quote from: jonny09 on January 11, 2017, 10:20:17 PM
Good teams close those games out......period.
In the 1970 NBA Finals, the Lakers rallied to send Game 3 into OT, with the rally culminated by one of the most famous shots in basketball history: Jerry West's 60-foot heave.
The Knicks won the game in OT and eventually won the series.
I guarantee the Knicks aren't embarrassed about the way they won that game and that title. I also guarantee that only dopes feel those Knicks weren't good.
So this is where this board is going now.
We have gone from wanting to fire Wojo after losses to wanting to fire him after wins. I just hope the poor guy doesn't win us a national title; some Scoopers will be demanding he pay restitution to MU!
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 11, 2017, 10:24:28 PMCouldn't bring the ball up against the press.
That was surprising to me. He picked up his dribble at least twice, and overall looked tentative against Seton Hall's pressure.
Quote from: MU82 on January 11, 2017, 10:26:17 PM
In the 1970 NBA Finals, the Lakers rallied to send Game 3 into OT, with the rally culminated by one of the most famous shots in basketball history: Jerry West's 60-foot heave.
The Knicks won the game in OT and eventually won the series.
I guarantee the Knicks aren't embarrassed about the way they won that game and that title. I also guarantee that only dopes feel those Knicks weren't good.
So this is where this board is going now.
We have gone from wanting to fire Wojo after losses to wanting to fire him after wins. I just hope the poor guy doesn't win us a national title; some Scoopers will be demanding he pay restitution to MU!
2 elite NBA teams in the finals. On a scale of 1-10 how close is this SH team to elite. I'll answer that for you. 1.
Quote from: jonny09 on January 11, 2017, 10:29:42 PM
2 elite NBA teams in the finals. On a scale of 1-10 how close is this SH team to elite. I'll answer that for you. 1.
If we're judging by this year''s NCAA standards, they are probably a 7.
Quote from: naginiF on January 11, 2017, 10:23:39 PM
So you and PFsHeroes are complaining about a win. i honestly believe if they had won in regulation by 3 you would complain that they didn't beat the spread and if they won by 7 you would complain that they didn't win by double digits. if they won by 19 you would complain that.....oh you get the point, the two of you just complain away.
Nope. If we had won in regulation by 3 I would have said that the team is growing up and has learned from the loss at SH. I have more confidence that we are learning to close out a game. Can't say that.
If we had won by 19 I would have said we put together our most convincing victory over a borderline NCAA team and it looks like we're building momentum. Can't say that.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on January 11, 2017, 10:34:51 PM
Nope. If we had won in regulation by 3 I would have said that the team is growing up and has learned from the loss at SH. I have more confidence that we are learning to close out a game. Can't say that.
If we had won by 19 I would have said we put together our most convincing victory over a borderline NCAA team and it looks like we're building momentum. Can't say that.
I think they showed poise today. They lost a big lead early and still went into the half up 5. They didn't have momentum for the early part of the second half and put themselves in a great position to win. They were in OT without two starters after losing a lead and gutted out a win.
It wasn't pretty, but I'd say the team showed signs of growing up. It's a flawed team without a ton of experience winning big games. They had plenty of chances to fold but stuck with it and got a big win.
Quote from: naginiF on January 11, 2017, 10:23:39 PM
So you and PFsHeroes are complaining about a win. i honestly believe if they had won in regulation by 3 you would complain that they didn't beat the spread and if they won by 7 you would complain that they didn't win by double digits. if they won by 19 you would complain that.....oh you get the point, the two of you just complain away.
I complained prior to a win.
So you are satisfied with blowing leads as long as they occasionally end in wins?
Thank fucking god you don't coach
Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on January 11, 2017, 10:42:46 PM
I complained prior to a win.
So you are satisfied with blowing leads as long as they occasionally end in wins?
Thank unnatural carnal knowledgeing god you don't coach
That's ridiculous. Teams blow leads all the time and still win.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on January 11, 2017, 10:48:19 PM
That's ridiculous. Teams blow leads all the time and still win.
And they also blow them all the time and lose, what's your point?
And better yet what does that have to do with us?
Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on January 11, 2017, 10:49:41 PM
And they also blow them all the time and lose, what's your point?
And better yet what does that have to do with us?
The point is that sometimes it's best to stop nitpicking and enjoy the victory. Lessons learned and move on to Depaul.
Quote from: Ellenson_toMU14 on January 11, 2017, 10:53:34 PM
The point is that sometimes it's best to stop nitpicking and enjoy the victory. Lessons learned and move on to Depaul.
Blowing a 10 pt lead with 3:17 left
Or a 7 pt lead with like 30 sec left isn't "nitpicking"
And it's disturbing that on a forum to "discuss sports" that it's completely frowned up to bring up the negative.
News flash....we ain't perfect
Enjoy wins! Enjoy good health! Enjoy life!
Quote from: Ellenson_toMU14 on January 11, 2017, 10:53:34 PM
The point is that sometimes it's best to stop nitpicking and enjoy the victory. Lessons learned and move on to Depaul.
The problem I have is that I'm just not sure the lessons are being learned. The last 2 minutes of this game looked a lot like the last 2 minutes of the last SH game. A lot of the same bad mistakes happening. Glad we won, but this team really had to get a lot better at closing out games, and rebounding, especially on free throws.
Forget the last 2 minutes. We lost the first 5 minutes of the second half AGAIN. To me that's the issue.
It's fair to criticize. Holding leads has been an issue all year. Why? IMO, relying on freshmen and sophs to lead because the seniors have abdicated that responsibility. The team quits doing what got it a lead and milks the clock. And didnt naturally match the increased intensity and physicality of Seton Hall. One more thing to work on.
Quote from: tower912 on January 12, 2017, 05:47:51 AM
It's fair to criticize. Holding leads has been an issue all year. Why? IMO, relying on freshmen and sophs to lead because the seniors have abdicated that responsibility. The team quits doing what got it a lead and milks the clock. And didnt naturally match the increased intensity and physicality of Seton Hall. One more thing to work on.
I don't think anyone can fairly argue our end of game management needs serious improvement. After screwing the pooch and getting our @ss handed to us I am going to go positive, and look at this as the learning experience our young players need*.
(I reserve the right to completely change course and call for heads on pikes the next time we lose a game I think we should win)
In credit to SH, they did hit some very big shots, and you can't control when a team is going to bank in a 3. Certainly some things worked against MU. Still, I was thrilled we got the victory. The biggest issue, without question, to me is not being able to get a rebound on a missed free throw. It happened twice late here... only once did it cost us, but twice still. And it also cost us the last SH game. Get those boards and both are easy W's.
Try to clean it up and go get DePaul this weekend!! Warriors!
Quote from: jonny09 on January 11, 2017, 10:20:17 PM
Good teams close those games out......period.
Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on January 11, 2017, 10:42:46 PM
I complained prior to a win.
So you are satisfied with blowing leads as long as they occasionally end in wins?
Thank unnatural carnal knowledgeing god you don't coach
For as long as you guys base your self esteem upon the won loss record of Marquette basketball, you'll be frustrated.
Since they moved the blocks out, it makes for 4 defensive guys on the lane to contend with 2 offensive guys plus the shooter.
Needless to say, the defensive guys have the superior positions because of the assigned positions along the paint. If one of the further-from-the-basket defensive guys screens the shooter, it is a 3-on-2 deal, as for going after the ball. Obviously nothing is perfect, but I'd be interested in knowing how often the defense gets the board on a missed FT on a percentage basis ,and what our percentage has been vs. SHU (admittedly a good rebounding team). Anybody know where that kind of info is obtainable? Last night there were at least a couple of occasions when the shooter was allowed to get into the rebounding action, to our detriment.
Up 7 with less than a minute...doable.
The size and physicality of SHU bothered us all night. We couldn't get a rebound and it is not for lack of effort. Sometimes we tried extra hard and it usually resulted in a foul. When you can't get a rebound, it makes it tough to close out games.
However, we are a great free throw shooting team and that helps tremendously. After HC missed those 2 shots that would have iced it, we started sending Reinhardt to the line. He's a bit less reliable as a ballhandler but was rock solid from the line in OT. Personally I'd probably want Howard or Rowsey at the stripe to close out games.
This is a big win against a very good team. Take and be glad that if we have to see Seton Hall again this year it will be in March in NYC.
Quote from: 4everCrean on January 12, 2017, 07:55:41 AM
For as long as you guys base your self esteem upon the won loss record of Marquette basketball, you'll be frustrated.
What does any of that have to do with my self esteem?
Do you know what that word means?
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on January 12, 2017, 07:45:51 AM
In credit to SH, they did hit some very big shots, and you can't control when a team is going to bank in a 3. Certainly some things worked against MU. Still, I was thrilled we got the victory. The biggest issue, without question, to me is not being able to get a rebound on a missed free throw. It happened twice late here... only once did it cost us, but twice still. And it also cost us the last SH game. Get those boards and both are easy W's.
Try to clean it up and go get DePaul this weekend!! Warriors!
And BTW the rest of the Big East better not sleep on the Hall. They almost seem better than last even without Whitehead. Definite tourney team IMO.