Any questions?
Make it so Wocky....
Amen to that
I agree. If you look at the box score, Howard is the choice.
But there is no way this is a win without Heldt kicking ass and taking names in OT.
Heldt deserves it.
Him or Howard
Rest deserve nothing
Heldt and Marcus
HELDT
Owned Delgado
Man, I love to have fun with Heldt, but those two charge fouls he took, one taking out Carrington actually might have prevented a complete meltdown. Howard was awesome, but yeah I vote for Heldt.
Markus' line is too good to ignore. But this is the greatest clutch play by an obscure big since Grimm against Wisconsin and Kinsella against Pitt. I will forgive him a lot of dumb fouls after this.
Heldt. No need to list his stats, just subtitle it "Defense / Balls".
Markus. Kudos to both Heldt and Duane though
1. MH
2. MH
3. HC
(The first MH is Matty)
Good to see Haani come alive tonight.
Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on January 11, 2017, 08:32:13 PM
Him or Howard
Rest deserve nothing
Think KR deserves clucth award
Yes. Matty H was clutch. Give it to him!!!!
Quote from: Newsdrms on January 11, 2017, 08:37:15 PM
Think KR deserves clucth award
Dude is ice from the free throw line.
On board with Heldt. Did everything that was asked of him and more!
Quote from: chapman on January 11, 2017, 08:34:09 PM
Heldt. No need to list his stats, just subtitle it "Defense / Balls".
Could not have said it better myself.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 11, 2017, 08:39:03 PM
On board with Heldt. Did everything that was asked of him and more!
Agree . #1 Matt
Lotta good candidates tonight.
Haani back to the land of the living.
Luke had a good game.
Katin clutch and big OR.
Duane with effort and some good moments.
Matty with two charges, big bounds, a block.
Gotta go with Markus - negated the press, scored, didn't turn that sucker over the whole night.
I'm thinking he's concerned he'll be harry frollinged next year so took it up a notch!
Markus for SOTG
Heldt for SOTG (Sub of the Game)
No Hedt no win. Kid's got the right stuff. It looked hopeless and he pulled it out. Not the best on the floor but by far the most improved. Here, here for Hedt.
We don't win the game if Heldt doesn't step up in OT -- simple as that.
without markus, we aren't even in that game for heldt to play a very big role. not just m's scoring, but his play-making, ball handling...oh yeah, and did you guys know he's only 17 and should be...
Brain - Markus
Heart - Heldt
Heart wins
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 11, 2017, 08:45:16 PM
We don't win the game if Heldt doesn't step up in OT -- simple as that.
We don't get into overtime if it wasn't for Markus.
About 40 minutes, 22 points, 6 assists, zero turnovers. Not even a question.
I know it will go to Heldt, but Howard is the real deal and I mean the real deal.
Alot of critical plays by various players.
JJ with some clutch baskets
Markus for just an outstanding game.
Matt for his D and hustle.
KR for his clutch FTs
A team win.
Markus
I love a Cinderella story as much as anyone, but this is the easiest SOTG ever:
1.Markus
2.Markus
3.Markus
4.Markus
5.Markus
6.Matt, HC and Luke
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on January 11, 2017, 08:50:35 PM
We don't get into overtime if it wasn't for Markus.
About 40 minutes, 22 points, 6 assists, zero turnovers. Not even a question.
Just saw that. No turnovers in 40 minutes, with him basically breaking that press, is just ridiculous.
SOTG was "easily" Markus Howard
Star in overtime - Heldt
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 11, 2017, 09:00:57 PM
I love a Cinderella story as much as anyone, but this is the easiest SOTG ever:
1.Markus
2.Markus
3.Markus
4.Markus
5.Markus
6.Matt, HC and Luke
Sometimes common sense doesn't tell the whole story. Howard was magnificent - he is almost every game now. Obviously the best player on the floor tonight. Sometimes, though, a different player is the difference between winning and losing.
Let's be real here everyone. Heldt was HUGE in OT, you can't teach that kind of heart. Awesome effort and major contributor to the win, BUT we aren't even there without Markus and Cheatham.
Markus: 42 minutes, 22 points, 6 assists, NO turnovers
Cheatham: 45 minutes (ironman performance), 17 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 TO.
Again, I love Heldt and what he brought tonight. KR also gets props for the clutch free throws but come on Markus or Haanif are more than deserving and were both phenomenal tonight.
Wow, Cheatham never came out of the game? Very impressive.
Markus is gonna have double digit SOTGs...he can afford to share one with Matty
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on January 11, 2017, 08:50:35 PM
We don't get into overtime if it wasn't for Markus.
About 40 minutes, 22 points, 6 assists, zero turnovers. Not even a question.
Not taking anything away from Howard, but Heldt delivered like nobody thought he could/would. That needs to be recognized.
Quote from: LA on January 11, 2017, 09:06:16 PM
Let's be real here everyone. Heldt was HUGE in OT, you can't teach that kind of heart. Awesome effort and major contributor to the win, BUT we aren't even there without Markus and Cheatham.
Markus: 42 minutes, 22 points, 6 assists, NO turnovers
Cheatham: 45 minutes (ironman performance), 17 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 TO.
Again, I love Heldt and what he brought tonight. KR also gets props for the clutch free throws but come on Markus or Haanif are more than deserving and were both phenomenal tonight.
Agree I'm going with the much maligned, missed 2FTs at the end, HC.
Quote from: Goose on January 11, 2017, 08:51:38 PM
I know it will go to Heldt, but Howard is the real deal and I mean the real deal.
Agreed and he is just a freshman. He is our go to guy. Got to love it.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 11, 2017, 09:08:20 PM
Not taking anything away from Howard, but Heldt delivered like nobody thought he could/would. That needs to be recognized.
He can be first in line for the orange slices.
SOTGs go to the Studs of the Game.
If heldt wins the SOTG prize is a joke. 1 pt and 2 rebounds?? yes he played decent D but those rebounds bounced right to him.. If markus doesn't get it its a disgrace.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on January 11, 2017, 08:50:35 PM
We don't get into overtime if it wasn't for Markus.
About 40 minutes, 22 points, 6 assists, zero turnovers. Not even a question.
We don't get out of OT if it wasn't for Heldt.
Without Heldt's big game, this is a loss.
Markus
I'm glad I'm not a mod for this one.
Quote from: LA on January 11, 2017, 09:06:16 PM
Markus: 42 minutes, 22 points, 6 assists, NO turnovers
Cheatham: 45 minutes (ironman performance), 17 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 TO.
87 minutes from the guards and a combined 1 TO.
That is simply outstanding.
Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on January 11, 2017, 09:10:47 PM
We don't get out of OT if it wasn't for Heldt.
Without Heldt's big game, this is a loss.
without JJJ we lose in OT. without Markus we lose.. Any tall guy could do what matt did. what a joke
Quote from: Johnny B on January 11, 2017, 09:10:44 PM
If heldt wins the SOTG prize is a joke. 1 pt and 2 rebounds?? yes he played decent D but those rebounds bounced right to him.. If markus doesn't get it its a disgrace.
Got the easy bounds like Henry, hey?
Quote from: Goose on January 11, 2017, 08:51:38 PM
I know it will go to Heldt, but Howard is the real deal and I mean the real deal.
Traci agrees with this analysis
Quote from: Johnny B on January 11, 2017, 09:10:44 PM
If heldt wins the SOTG prize is a joke. 1 pt and 2 rebounds?? yes he played decent D but those rebounds bounced right to him.. If markus doesn't get it its a disgrace.
WAIT! YOU'RE CALLING OUR MESSAGE BOARD AWARD A JOKE AND A DISGRACE???!!!!?????
Eff the numbers, science, and logic. Heldt put this team over the edge for the win.
In his own "way" he schooled Luke on how to play tough tonight. Let's hope Luke learned the lesson. Luke is uber talented, but has Jamil Wilson disease.
So there.
Markus 2 SOTG
Quote from: brandx on January 11, 2017, 09:05:46 PM
Sometimes common sense doesn't tell the whole story. Howard was magnificent - he is almost every game now. Obviously the best player on the floor tonight. Sometimes, though, a different player is the difference between winning and losing.
Brandy - you're a smart guy. You can't honestly believe Matt made a bigger "difference between winning and losing" this game than Markus. That's wonderfully sentimental but also brain dead.
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 11, 2017, 09:15:36 PM
Eff the numbers, science, and logic. Heldt put this team over the edge for the win.
In his own "way" he schooled Luke on how to play tough tonight. Let's hope Luke learned the lesson. Luke is uber talented, but has Jamil Wilson disease.
So there.
Jajuans big shots down the stretch also put us over the edge. so did Krs fts. so did Markus and his press brake and assits. but nope hand it to matt cuz hes never got the sotg. smh
Markus, pretty easily. Heldt had his best game overall but comparatively it's not close.
Quote from: Johnny B on January 11, 2017, 09:18:30 PM
Jajuans big shots down the stretch also put us over the edge. so did Krs fts. so did Markus and his press brake and assits. but nope hand it to matt cuz hes never got the sotg. smh
Smh back at ya
SOTG is clearly Marcus.
but... Heldt was THE MAN!
Quote from: Johnny B on January 11, 2017, 09:10:44 PM
If heldt wins the SOTG prize is a joke. 1 pt and 2 rebounds?? yes he played decent D but those rebounds bounced right to him.. If markus doesn't get it its a disgrace.
Relax my friend. Sure MH was the best player out there but that is almost expected at this point. Hedt showed he belongs on this team and contributed to a key win when essentially the game was written off by 95% of the fans. That deserves something, wouldn't you say? Matt did the impossible for him, stopping Delgado, wow. I say give it to him. You are entitled to yours.
Even the announcers said that Matt should be given the game ball.
Only worthwhile thing they said all night.
Quote from: Class71 on January 11, 2017, 09:22:00 PM
Relax my friend. Sure MH was the best player out there but that is almost expected at this point. Hedt showed he belongs on this team and contributed to a key win when essentially the game was written off by 95% of the fans. That deserves something, wouldn't you say? Matt did the impossible for him, stopping Delgado, wow. I say give it to him. You are entitled to yours.
I honeslty don't care lol. give it to matt. I just didn't see anything crazy out of him. couple easy boards and dlegado missed a few bunnies.
Heldt, I though we were done with Luke & Sam going out. Stats are important but moments are sometime better.
Hope Harry enjoyed the game.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 11, 2017, 09:18:05 PM
Brandy - you're a smart guy. You can't honestly believe Matt made a bigger "difference between winning and losing" this game than Markus. That's wonderfully sentimental but also brain dead.
I probably didn't express what I was trying to say very well. Yes, Markus was the best on the floor, No, we wouldn't have won without him. Despite that, we probably lose if jjj doesn't hit the big '3'. And we almost surely lose if Matt doesn't give us 5 hard minutes in OT.
Sometimes a couple minutes that come at crunch time out-weigh the outstanding game by Markus because of its impact. And by saying that, I recognize Markus' impact and how great of a game he played for 40+ minutes.
1) Howard - Scored inside and out, distributed well (6 assists), didn't turn it over once. Solid all night long.
2) Cheatham - Until the final 2 minutes, he was absolutely, no question, SOTG. Any other choice would have been wrong. The kid had 14 points, 7 boards, 5 assists, and just 1 turnover while holding Carrington to 12 points. But in the final 2 minutes, he went 3/6 from the line including missing the last 2 while Carrington went off for 10 points. Great game, but came up short at the end.
3) Fischer - Heldt was good in OT, but Fischer got us there. 14/8 is a nice line, and frankly it's a joke that somehow Delgado wasn't whistled for a single first half foul on Luke.
Obviously Howard. He's already been robbed once.
Quote from: Johnny B on January 11, 2017, 09:24:21 PM
I honeslty don't care lol. give it to matt. I just didn't see anything crazy out of him. couple easy boards and dlegado missed a few bunnies.
C'mon -- have a little respect for playing great defense on one of the best big men in the Big East when the game is on the line.
I didn't read past the first page so apologize if this is repetitive.
M2N was good for 40 minutes. Heldt, while he was very important in overtime, was good for 5 minutes.
Howard. Not even close.
JJ had some big shots, Heldt had a great overtime, Katin had a very good last 10 minutes outside of the dumb shot. Duane didn't play well but I love his emotion and intensity.
I'm voting again.
Markus. And it should he the easiest choice of the year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 11, 2017, 09:35:16 PM
1) Howard - Scored inside and out, distributed well (6 assists), didn't turn it over once. Solid all night long.
2) Cheatham - Until the final 2 minutes, he was absolutely, no question, SOTG. Any other choice would have been wrong. The kid had 14 points, 7 boards, 5 assists, and just 1 turnover while holding Carrington to 12 points. But in the final 2 minutes, he went 3/6 from the line including missing the last 2 while Carrington went off for 10 points. Great game, but came up short at the end.
3) Fischer - Heldt was good in OT, but Fischer got us there. 14/8 is a nice line, and frankly it's a joke that somehow Delgado wasn't whistled for a single first half foul on Luke.
Luke also had a lot of those volleyball tap outs
Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on January 11, 2017, 09:41:38 PM
Luke also had a lot of those volleyball tap outs
So did JJJ - to the other team
Quote from: warriorchick on January 11, 2017, 09:23:08 PM
Even the announcers said that Matt should be given the game ball.
Only worthwhile thing they said all night.
How about Haanif has been in the Ft. Lauderdale airport "hundreds of times".
Say what????? Did he have a job there?
Markus. No question.
In addition to his scoring, he was our most dependable option throughout the game bringing the ball up the court against Seton Hall's pressure. Played 42 minutes with 6 assists, 0 turnovers. And he showed fire when Marquette needed it most.
Great game by Matt. Maybe his best to date. He made some big plays during crunch time. But 13 minutes, 1 point and 2 rebounds doesn't qualify as a SotG performance, in my opinion.
Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on January 11, 2017, 09:41:38 PM
Luke also had a lot of those volleyball tap outs
He did, good all around game for him. And I don't really blame him for all the fouls, we may as well have been on the road tonight.
Quote from: brandx on January 11, 2017, 09:43:27 PM
How about Haanif has been in the Ft. Lauderdale airport "hundreds of times".
Say what????? Did he have a job there?
Surprised they didn't cut away to show him actually in the airport over break.
Our 17-year-old PG plays almost every minute of an OT game, doesn't commit a single turnover against a long, athletic team that applied a lot of pressure, scored 22 points and dished out 6 assists.
Look, I understand the emotional appeal of Heldt, and I'm thrilled with how he played. But even if I give the Heldtsters "we don't win in OT without him" ... do we get within 1,000 miles of OT without Markus?
Come on, folks. Why even bother having a stud award if you don't give it to a guy who did what Markus did tonight?
Frankly, it's not even close.
Quote from: MU82 on January 11, 2017, 09:50:58 PMFrankly, it's not even close.
I agree it's Markus, but Cheatham was really close until the end. Especially when you consider holding Carrington to 12 points for 38 minutes (after that...yeah).
Heldt - without question. Howard put up the numbers, but Heldt physically carried us with his toughness in OT. Without Heldt - especially without Fisher - we lose in the extra period.
Besides, let's see how many different teammates we can get (that are rightfully earned) the SOTG this year.
What's the Scoop's all-time record for number of different players from one team earning SOTG honors?
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 11, 2017, 09:54:12 PM
I agree it's Markus, but Cheatham was really close until the end. Especially when you consider holding Carrington to 12 points for 38 minutes (after that...yeah).
I meant close for Heldt. Haani is my easy second choice. Still not difficult for me to go with Howard over both, though.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 11, 2017, 09:54:12 PMI agree it's Markus, but Cheatham was really close until the end. Especially when you consider holding Carrington to 12 points for 38 minutes (after that...yeah).
Markus was too good, but Haney did have a pretty studly line: 17 points, 7 boards, 5 assists and just 1 turnover in 45 minutes.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on January 11, 2017, 09:54:41 PM
Heldt - without question. Howard put up the numbers, but Heldt physically carried us with his toughness in OT. Without Heldt - especially without Fisher - we lose in the extra period.
Besides, let's see how many different teammates we can get (that are rightfully earned) the SOTG this year.
What's the Scoop's all-time record for number of different players from one team earning SOTG honors?
I'd say there would be no extra period without M2N. Ergo, Stan Johnson 4 SOTG
Stan's Jacket.
Marcus.
I love Heldt gaining confidence, but contributions earlier in the game might have heldtped avoid overtime. SOOT for Heldt.
Markus hands down- stud no doubt.
Heldt put in a strong effort for what he is- and that's a big body who tries hard and reaps some rewards but even more fouls.
I give the kid props, but stud of the game?
Uh, no
Markus
Didn't read most of the thread...hope we agree on Matt Heldt.
I don't think this was a one-off.
I love SOTG threads.
It means we won.
Heldt
Howard
Haanif
Luke (look at Delgado's shooting numbers...)
Duane
Quote from: Johnny B on January 11, 2017, 09:10:44 PM
If heldt wins the SOTG prize is a joke. 1 pt and 2 rebounds?? yes he played decent D but those rebounds bounced right to him.. If markus doesn't get it its a disgrace.
Easy rebounds, hey?
Markus with as fine a freshman performance as I can remember. Just stellar. Wojo entrusted him with breaking the press by himself, and he did it with no turnovers and a bunch of assists.
Wojo said post game that they worked hard with the guards this week about not just driving into traffic and getting stuck as they had been. Haani and Markus were controlling the flow better tonight and not forcing it. Wojo said they worked particularly hard with Markus to penetrate and not stop his dribble, and look to carve up that baseline...like he did with that nice dime to JJ.
Monster game...hands down. 70% on 3fg% and #1 in conference for the season. That is a 1st team body of work, people.
I'll give Heldt an honorable mention for heart and toughness, but a SOTG he is not.
1) Howard: 22 points, 6 assists, 4 3PMs, 0 turnovers, 17 years of age. Played a man's game.
2) Cheatham: 45 minutes, 1 turnover. His shooting is still hinky but he had some vintage HC drives to the bucket. Bothered Carrington into a poor shooting (by Carrington standards) and 6 TOs. Oh and had 5 assists.
3) Luke: Yes Delgado abused him on the boards but I really think that was more a product of Delgado being very good than Luke being bad. Played his best defense of the season. Delgado didn't get a FG until the 2nd half and shot 3/12 on the night. Thought he responded well to last game's benching.
Honorable mentions to Heldt and Duane for heart and attitude.
Let's be real for a minute here, this game does not even get close to overtime without Markus. Matt had a great overtime but do not forget the first forty and the big dicked freshman who got us there.
At the most critical moments of the game Matt showed what he was made of. His efforts down the stretch deserve stud of the game recognition.
Markus was great for sure, but he will be in the running for SOTG many times.
Matt shined when we needed him the most . Also this could be the moment Matt turns the corner and becomes a true Big East big.
Ok, so you ALL agree with me. Good!
Wocky, make it so.
I love a good debate.
Markus. Zero turnovers from a 17 year old PG would be impressive in a high school game. It's amazing in a BE game against a tough team that will likely make the tournament.
Markus.
Matt did great things in OT and Katin made some huge plays as well, but this would have been a blowout loss without Markus.
Alright, the correct answer was Markus!
Heldt played great for the OT period, but for his performance to be stud of the GAME worthy, one (or all) of the guys that had been in contention for SOTG would have had to make some mistakes at the end. Haanif is an example of that. Unfortunately for Heldt, Markus was solid all game long, and was the stud of this game.
The bright side, Heldt showed a lot of promise, and may be able to look forward to a few SOTGs in the years to come.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 11, 2017, 10:54:52 PM
Wojo said post game that they worked hard with the guards this week about not just driving into traffic and getting stuck as they had been. Haani and Markus were controlling the flow better tonight and not forcing it. Wojo said they worked particularly hard with Markus to penetrate and not stop his dribble, and look to carve up that baseline...like he did with that nice dime to JJ.
This is really good to hear - its a tangible example of converting the work behind the scenes into something we get to see on the floor during games. Between the second half/OT, Markus probably had half a dozen drives where he got to the baseline, but going to the basket was clearly the second option. It was all about collapsing the D and looking for the kick. His drives were more under control than they would be if it was a suicide mission to the basket, but he's got enough awareness and agility for a quick up and under if it presents itself. Impressive maturity for such a young player, and it makes sense that it was a point of emphasis this week.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 12, 2017, 08:35:30 AM
Alright, the correct answer was Markus!
Heldt played great for the OT period, but for his performance to be stud of the GAME worthy, one (or all) of the guys that had been in contention for SOTG would have had to make some mistakes at the end. Haanif is an example of that. Unfortunately for Heldt, Markus was solid all game long, and was the stud of this game.
The bright side, Heldt showed a lot of promise, and may be able to look forward to a few SOTGs in the years to come.
Way to not overthink it, rocky. This truly was a no-brainer.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 11, 2017, 10:54:52 PMWojo said post game that they worked hard with the guards this week about not just driving into traffic and getting stuck as they had been. Haani and Markus were controlling the flow better tonight and not forcing it. Wojo said they worked particularly hard with Markus to penetrate and not stop his dribble, and look to carve up that baseline...like he did with that nice dime to JJ.
I missed the postgame, but am glad to hear this. It was really evident from both of them. Markus did a great job and at least twice dribbled hard to the hoop and ended up going around and under to find someone open. Was also particularly glad to see how well Cheatham played in light of his recent struggles.
Wait. It's over?!?!? But there are so many more hairs to split!
Wtf. I didn't even get to vote! What kind of rigged system is this?
As always, Matt gets a participation trophy. :-\
Undefeated since Froling committed. Just saying.
U have to be ineligible for stud of game when u miss 3 of 4 free throws in the last minute.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 12, 2017, 12:26:27 PM
U have to be ineligible for stud of game when u miss 3 of 4 free throws in the last minute.
Do you honestly consider yourself a Marquette fan? Literally 80% of your posts are negative.
Look, you are only 100 posts in, so your aren't all that invested in this board yet. Maybe you should follow a team that is more to your liking.
Markus has been spectacular no doubt but i think we all need to drop the whole , "hes 17 "
Yes he is 17, but bottom line is he is a freshman and he chose to leave are we gonna say hes 18 as a sophomore??
In a year are we going to diminish bailey cuz hes 20 as a freshman??
Again its great what hes doing but at some point age really has nothing to do with it
Quote from: warriorchick on January 12, 2017, 12:32:37 PM
Do you honestly consider yourself a Marquette fan? Literally 80% of your posts are negative.
Look, you are only 100 posts in, so your aren't all that invested in this board yet. Maybe you should follow a team that is more to your liking.
Apparently we both have an opinion, thats what make message boards go round. Thanks for weighing in on my credentials.
Matt plays hard and seems to maintain a good presence on defense. It seems that the more he plays the more effective he is. I vote for him as the difference in the game.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 12, 2017, 01:16:07 PM
Apparently we both have an opinion, thats what make message boards go round. Thanks for weighing in on my credentials.
I notice you didn't answer the question.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 12, 2017, 12:32:37 PM
Do you honestly consider yourself a Marquette fan? Literally 80% of your posts are negative.
Look, you are only 100 posts in, so your aren't all that invested in this board yet. Maybe you should follow a team that is more to your liking.
Go Chick go!!
I see that Markus was chosen. No argument from me. His PG play was nasty last night.
But Matty's got a pair of steel ones hanging low. Nice job Sophomore.