If Matt Heldt played in a game featuring all of the walk-ons from the Big East, would he dominate?
Guaranteed he'd foul out
Quote from: Afroman on January 07, 2017, 08:33:21 PM
If Matt Heldt played in a game featuring all of the walk-ons from the Big East, would he dominate?
Well he just scored 4 points and grabbed 4 offensive rebounds in a handful of minutes against the starters for the number 1 team in the nation.
Pretty sure he would dominate.
Quote from: Afroman on January 07, 2017, 08:33:21 PM
If Matt Heldt played in a game featuring all of the walk-ons from the Big East, would he dominate?
??? Thought he played decent tonight. 4 boards, good effort, drew four fouls. He's never going to be dominate but he could be a Chris Otule type player.
Heldt showed more effort in those two minutes than Fish did all night.
Wojo should start Heldt on Wednesday to put a chip on Luke's shoulder. At least Matt plays tough. Fischer has been so weak...
I dont think there is any putting a chip on fischers shoulder. He just doesnt have it, hs soft n physically n mentally a step behind good players.
Fischer n jjj at most times look like they have never played before and are two of the worst bball IQ players inhave ever seen, unfortunately they r the ones who are supposed to lead
Heldt is a better defender than fisher
Heldt is a good enough FT shooter
Heldt is better at boxing out than fisher
Heldt gets offensive rebounds. Fisher doesn't.
Heldt hustles. Fisher doesn't.
Fisher tries to dribble and turns it over, Heldt doesn't.
Heldt's maximum offensive output is probably 5-7 ppg. Fisher's max is 15-18 ppg, but what fisher gives up on D more than makes up for the scoring deficit. In fact, in the BEAST, Fisher is only good for a max of 10-12ppg.
Let's not read too much into garbage time.
Quote from: Afroman on January 07, 2017, 08:33:21 PM
If Matt Heldt played in a game featuring all of the walk-ons from the Big East, would he dominate?
Quote from: skianth16 on January 07, 2017, 08:34:42 PM
Guaranteed he'd foul out
Here's a hint, hold off on smoking the ganga until after you post.
Quote from: WarriorFan on January 07, 2017, 08:44:02 PM
Heldt is a better defender than fisher Not by any statistical measure. But his defense isn't half bad
Heldt is a good enough FT shooter Yes he is
Heldt is better at boxing out than fisher I think so but am not sure
Heldt gets offensive rebounds. Fisher doesn't. Luke was 3rd in the Big East in OR% last season and is 2nd in the Big East in OR% this season. This simply is not true
Heldt hustles. Fisher doesn't. I might agree with this. Part of that is Luke having to protect himself against fouls.
Fisher tries to dribble and turns it over, Heldt doesn't. Have you ever seen Heldt try to move with the ball? Luke is much better.
Heldt's maximum offensive output is probably 5-7 ppg. Fisher's max is 15-18 ppg, but what fisher gives up on D more than makes up for the scoring deficit. In fact, in the BEAST, Fisher is only good for a max of 10-12ppg.
Let's not get carried away. Luke is currently a better player than Heldt is. His issue is one of toughness. If he can play with more toughness than he is one of the best centers in the Big East. I'm not sure that he can though.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on January 07, 2017, 08:44:41 PM
Let's not read too much into garbage time.
This is how it's been all year. Heldt does not have the offensive ability of Fischer, but Fischer has proven he is too soft to play an impactful role in the Big East. He's getting eaten alive.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 07, 2017, 08:52:21 PM
Let's not get carried away. Luke is currently a better player than Heldt is. His issue is one of toughness. If he can play with more toughness than he is one of the best centers in the Big East. I'm not sure that he can though.
IMO, Luke is there physically, its mental toughness that he lacks. I'd be very surprised if his field goal % hasn't dropped by quite a bit in Big East play. I really think that against tough competition, he loses focus.
Quote from: mubb3434 on January 07, 2017, 08:54:56 PM
This is how it's been all year. Heldt does not have the offensive ability of Fischer, but Fischer has proven he is too soft to play an impactful role in the Big East. He's getting eaten alive.
So would Heldt.
I would rather go small against a team like Nova. Not against Seton Hall though.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on January 07, 2017, 08:56:37 PM
So would Heldt.
I would rather go small against a team like Nova. Not against Seton Hall though.
Good insight, I definitely agree.
Quote from: 4everCrean on January 07, 2017, 08:45:11 PM
Here's a hint, hold off on smoking the ganga until after you post.
Coming into tonight's game, Heldt had 31 fouls in 154 minutes. That puts him at 3rd on the team in fouls (behind Fischer's 43 and Hauser's 32) while being dead last by a wide margin in minutes, excluding our walk-ons.
MU 15/17 FT shooting tonight. Heldt with the only two misses. MAJOR ISSUE.
FT's no matta.
Markus 2 NBA.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 07, 2017, 08:57:35 PM
Coming into tonight's game, Heldt had 31 fouls in 154 minutes. That puts him at 3rd on the team in fouls (behind Fischer's 43 and Hauser's 32) while being dead last by a wide margin in minutes, excluding our walk-ons.
Or put another way..
Matt averages 8.0 fouls per 40 minutes. Outside of Deon, no one else is above 4.8 (where Luke is... Hauser is a fine 3.6).
Quote from: skianth16 on January 07, 2017, 08:57:35 PM
Coming into tonight's game, Heldt had 31 fouls in 154 minutes. That puts him at 3rd on the team in fouls (behind Fischer's 43 and Hauser's 32) while being dead last by a wide margin in minutes, excluding our walk-ons.
What we're missing is Heldt's foul statistics against teams of walk-ons. Maybe you're right, maybe those 6' 3" unathletic centers can be a bitch.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 07, 2017, 08:57:59 PM
MU 15/17 FT shooting tonight. Heldt with the only two misses. MAJOR ISSUE.
FT's no matta.
Markus 2 NBA.
Why'd ya hafta go and make a bad night, worse?
Quote from: 4everCrean on January 07, 2017, 09:00:22 PM
What we're missing is Heldt's foul statistics against teams of walk-ons. Maybe you're right, maybe those 6' 3" unathletic centers can be a bitch.
Yeah, but how many kindergarteners could heldt fight at one time?
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on January 07, 2017, 09:13:45 PM
Yeah, but how many kindergarteners could heldt fight at one time?
I think 12
It's not all about Stats. Sometimes it's the impact ( Real or Perceived) on your Teammates.
The first 3 BE games i think Heldt has played better than fish
Quote from: WarriorFan on January 07, 2017, 08:44:02 PM
Heldt is a better defender than fisher
Heldt is a good enough FT shooter
Heldt is better at boxing out than fisher
Heldt gets offensive rebounds. Fisher doesn't.
Heldt hustles. Fisher doesn't.
Fisher tries to dribble and turns it over, Heldt doesn't.
Heldt's maximum offensive output is probably 5-7 ppg. Fisher's max is 15-18 ppg, but what fisher gives up on D more than makes up for the scoring deficit. In fact, in the BEAST, Fisher is only good for a max of 10-12ppg.
Who the fook is Fisher?
Quote from: Afroman on January 07, 2017, 08:33:21 PM
If Matt Heldt played in a game featuring all of the walk-ons from the Big East, would he dominate?
It sounds like you think you have come up with a clever way to to insult Heldt.
I think you're trying to be a jerk.
Quote from: brandx on January 09, 2017, 04:38:41 PM
It sounds like you think you have come up with a clever way to to insult Heldt.
I think you're trying to be a jerk.
Nah, he's got it down pretty Good or do I mean Bad.
Opinion noted. Care to answer the question?
Quote from: Loose Cannon on January 09, 2017, 04:59:49 PM
Nah, he's got it down pretty Good or do I mean Bad.
You just proved that you are a jerk.
Bump and Heldt played really good last night i think. Played tough in that overtime
I'm wondering if we might start to see some more offense-defense switches with Heldt and Fischer as the season goes on. Heldt knows how to muscle up and hold his ground on defense (even if sometimes means being the bully and fouling) but is putrid on offense. Fischer has more offensive tools, but is too cautious on D, probably as a result of his constant foul trouble last year. I'm not calling for every play switches like Buzz ran with Otule-Gardner, but something of that variety.
Quote from: Afroman on January 09, 2017, 05:17:34 PM
Opinion noted. Care to answer the question?
Heldt answered the question. Find your next gripe.
Matt was awesome last night on D under the basket, grabbed some rebounds and more. Was not ready for a pass under our basket, but Matt is one of the reasons we won.
Fish is being put in a difficult position for his skill set. They have him hedging on the high pick and roll. Bad! He had three fouls below the waist. Hip fouls. And one boxing out when he should be attacking the ball. In addition, after a entry pass, especially when further away from the basket it would be nice to see fish (just once) pivot and face the goal. Play the man to his strengths, staying in the paint on defense. Let the opposing big hit a shot or two. Anybody note fish drop step to the baseline? Spectacular. First time all year. Bardo said the same "need more of that".
Quote from: Big tuna on January 12, 2017, 11:27:34 AM
Fish is being put in a difficult position for his skill set. They have him hedging on the high pick and roll. Bad! He had three fouls below the waist. Hip fouls. And one boxing out when he should be attacking the ball. In addition, after a entry pass, especially when further away from the basket it would be nice to see fish (just once) pivot and face the goal. Play the man to his strengths, staying in the paint on defense. Let the opposing big hit a shot or two. Anybody note fish drop step to the baseline? Spectacular. First time all year. Bardo said the same "need more of that".
Fishy would have 4-6 more points a game if he would simply dunk no-footers with authority instead of putting up those wussy layups.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on January 12, 2017, 10:56:05 AM
Bump and Heldt played really good last night i think. Played tough in that overtime
Who is this Bump guy?
Heldt yeah!
Quote from: tower912 on January 12, 2017, 11:07:50 AM
Heldt answered the question. Find your next gripe.
I was wrong. He is great. I think he's ready for 25-30 minutes!
He's not 'great'. But his is progressing exactly how you want your 3 star bigs to progress. He is getting better and stronger and showing that he can adequately handle consistent reserve minutes as a sophomore.
Who is stead?
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on January 12, 2017, 05:10:29 PM
Who is stead?
His First Name is Dagwood.......weak Joke Sorry.