looks to me like jae is doing just fine and shouldn't really have anything to worry about. he either needs some support from his team, or have someone tell him it's just noise. i never would have thought him to be this insecure. i don't think so.
hayward is utah's "go-to" guy, but jae is statistically speaking, a better shooter and role player. if the celtics were to consider bring hayward over as a free agent, who would it really hurt? there are only so many balls to go around. how would hayward fit in with boston?
these intimations that stevens wants to reunite with his player from his butler days-careful what ya wish for and leave well enough alone. i don't think hayward's probable $20 million would make boston that much better than say jae's(if they choose to resign him) $12-14 million?
these social media devices do more harm than good-the more they try to voice their opinions/feelings with these modes, the more it gives the trolls out there a bat to beat you with. the media feeds off these and fan the flames-not much good coming from them
jae-you're doing just fine. play like the fans are cheering for hayward every game and they will be going, gordon who?
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18404075/jae-crowder-disrespected-boston-celtics-fans-cheers-potential-free-agent-gordon-hayward
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 04, 2017, 05:47:47 AM
looks to me like jae is doing just fine and shouldn't really have anything to worry about. he either needs some support from his team, or have someone tell him it's just noise. i never would have thought him to be this insecure. i don't think so.
hayward is utah's "go-to" guy, but jae is statistically speaking, a better shooter and role player. if the celtics were to consider bring hayward over as a free agent, who would it really hurt? there are only so many balls to go around. how would hayward fit in with boston?
these intimations that stevens wants to reunite with his player from his butler days-careful what ya wish for and leave well enough alone. i don't think hayward's probable $20 million would make boston that much better than say jae's(if they choose to resign him) $12-14 million?
these social media devices do more harm than good-the more they try to voice their opinions/feelings with these modes, the more it gives the trolls out there a bat to beat you with. the media feeds off these and fan the flames-not much good coming from them
jae-you're doing just fine. play like the fans are cheering for hayward every game and they will be going, gordon who?
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18404075/jae-crowder-disrespected-boston-celtics-fans-cheers-potential-free-agent-gordon-hayward
Jae still has 3 years left on his contract, which is guaranteed @ (6.7, 7.3, & 7.8 million) so he is no danger from a financial standpoint. In today's league and salary cap Jae is a bargain, if he were to put on the open market, I agree he is probably a 12-14 million dollar a year player.
Probably just self-motivating himself, and look what we did, 5/6 from from 3pt, and 21 pts.
This will in no way backfire on Jae. As NBA beefs go, this is pretty tame.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on January 04, 2017, 07:26:52 AM
This will in no way backfire on Jae. As NBA beefs go, this is pretty tame.
Tame, yes. Jae is right though, that's some bush league from Boston fans. Not shocking.
Quote from: PTM on January 04, 2017, 08:39:13 AM
Tame, yes. Jae is right though, that's some bush league from Boston fans being boston fans. Not shocking.
Fify
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on January 04, 2017, 07:26:52 AM
This will in no way backfire on Jae. As NBA beefs go, this is pretty tame.
If Jae wasn't playing for a marquee, east coast franchise, this story likely isn't even news.
Really dumb, boneheaded episode of mouth diarrhea. You're makin' a king's fortune for doin' absolutely nothin' but entertainin' folks who shell large coin for dis nonsense. Shut da fook up and bowl, ai na?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 04, 2017, 10:24:57 AM
Really dumb, boneheaded episode of mouth diarrhea. You're makin' a king's fortune for doin' absolutely nothin' but entertainin' folks who shell large coin for dis nonsense. Shut da fook up and bowl, ai na?
No. If you have an opinion, state it proudly and own it. Live with the consequences. We do it here all of the time. Why should an athlete not be allowed to state an opinion? And so what if it doesn't gibe with yours or mine? We need more of it and not less.
Just watt's needed. More arrogant, spoiled, pampered athletes who feel entitled in all aspects of life. Dey dropped der drawers da same wey all of us do, hey?
They do. And they are entitled to an opinion, just like you.
I don't think Jae is or needs to be worried about the backlash to this. He's outperforming an undermarket contract for one of the worst fanbases in the sport. I think that's taking a toll and he sounds like he frankly wouldn't cry real tears if they sent him somewhere else.
Real Warriors don't whine.
Interestin', hey?
Hey, you finished a sentence correctly. I'm so proud of you. In this case, I would say whining is in the eye of the beholder.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 04, 2017, 10:24:57 AM
Really dumb, boneheaded episode of mouth diarrhea. You're makin' a king's fortune for doin' absolutely nothin' but entertainin' folks who shell large coin for dis nonsense. Shut da fook up and bowl, ai na?
wreaks of arrogance, aina?
Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2017, 10:34:10 AM
They do. And they are entitled to an opinion, just like you.
Maybe doing better in his English classes makes his opinion more valuable.
At the very least, it is more readable.
Quote from: MUBurrow on January 04, 2017, 10:36:15 AM
I don't think Jae is or needs to be worried about the backlash to this. He's outperforming an undermarket contract for one of the worst fanbases in the sport.
Interesting take there. Do others around the country agree with this? The Celtics fans love Jae, he fits the tough Boston mold. Some fans also appreciate haywards talents and wouldn't mind seeing him wear green. It's no shot at Jae, I'd love to have them both. However, I hope Jae gets a huge ovation next home game. The teams really clicking now that everyone is healthy and Jae is a critical piece
Quote from: Celtic Truth on January 04, 2017, 12:03:02 PM
Interesting take there. Do others around the country agree with this? The Celtics fans love Jae, he fits the tough Boston mold. Some fans also appreciate haywards talents and wouldn't mind seeing him wear green. It's no shot at Jae, I'd love to have them both. However, I hope Jae gets a huge ovation next home game. The teams really clicking now that everyone is healthy and Jae is a critical piece
Yes, Boston has the worst fans in the country. Not just celtics but Bruins and Red Sox are unbelievably obnoxious as well. Though when cheering for the Pats they don't seem as bad.
Quote from: brandx on January 04, 2017, 11:59:17 AM
Maybe doing better in his English classes makes his opinion more valuable.
At the very least, it is more readable.
I defend 4evers right to his opinion that writing in that style is amusing. I also defend his right to disagree with Jae. And my right to disagree with him for disagreeing with Jae.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on January 04, 2017, 12:06:16 PM
Yes, Boston has the worst fans in the country. Not just celtics but Bruins and Red Sox are unbelievably obnoxious as well. Though when cheering for the Pats they don't seem as bad.
Boston fans are certainly passionate and all 4 teams have been successful lately so there has been a lot to cheer about (or be obnoxious about, depends on your point of view). I respect other passionate fan bases that others may dislike like Philly, Pittsburgh, cardinals, red wings, fans just to name a few examples that come to mind. The fan bases that bother me are bandwagon fan bases like the Cubs, Blackhawks, Seahawks, Warriors, panthers(last year), heat (with big 3). To each his own
Part of his frustration may be that it was cheering during the pregame intro of Gordon Heyward. They are rumored to be a mutually interested and he plays the same position as Crowder.
Part of this is what drives and motivates Jae. We all know that cause we have seen it. From obtaining a Juco degree in about 15 months, to refusing to shake hands during pre-game intros in Madison, that chip on a shoulder is who he is.
And I don't really blame him. He goes balls out every night playing the game, and the fans cheer your potential replacement? F*ck that.
Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2017, 12:09:46 PM
I defend 4evers right to his opinion that writing in that style is amusing. I also defend his right to disagree with Jae. And my right to disagree with him for disagreeing with Jae.
Thank you, my brother, hey?
Quote from: Celtic Truth on January 04, 2017, 12:17:18 PM
Boston fans are certainly passionate and all 4 teams have been successful lately so there has been a lot to cheer about (or be obnoxious about, depends on your point of view). I respect other passionate fan bases that others may dislike like Philly, Pittsburgh, cardinals, red wings, fans just to name a few examples that come to mind. The fan bases that bother me are bandwagon fan bases like the Cubs, Blackhawks, Seahawks, Warriors, panthers(last year), heat (with big 3). To each his own
So if Boston sports are successful they're passionate but if Chicago sports are successful they're bandwagon? lol
I dated a girl from Dorchester (or southie to you people) for 3yrs and we went to every Bulls celtics and Hawks Bruins game (minus the stanley cup) and I was treated like crap at both. The one Sox vs Sox game people were nice to me but were considerably more vulgar to the players. So I stand by my assessment that Boston fans are the worst in the country (minus pats though there was no Patriots vs Packers game for me to base that off of)
Quote from: Celtic Truth on January 04, 2017, 12:17:18 PM
Boston fans are certainly passionate and all 4 teams have been successful lately so there has been a lot to cheer about (or be obnoxious about, depends on your point of view). I respect other passionate fan bases that others may dislike like Philly, Pittsburgh, cardinals, red wings, fans just to name a few examples that come to mind. The fan bases that bother me are bandwagon fan bases like the Cubs, Blackhawks, Seahawks, Warriors, panthers(last year), heat (with big 3). To each his own
I'm sure none of the Boston franchises had any bandwagon fans, huh? Ridiculous.
Personally, my worst experience with opposing fans was with Lions' fans. I do find Red Sox fans more annoying than just about any fan base. All that whining about the Yankees' payroll when they had one of the largest in pro sports. But like most things, my opinions are based on experiences I had with specific fans. Could be isolated incidents.
Quote from: Celtic Truth on January 04, 2017, 12:17:18 PM
Boston fans are certainly passionate and all 4 teams have been successful lately so there has been a lot to cheer about (or be obnoxious about, depends on your point of view). I respect other passionate fan bases that others may dislike like Philly, Pittsburgh, cardinals, red wings, fans just to name a few examples that come to mind. The fan bases that bother me are bandwagon fan bases like the Cubs, Blackhawks, Seahawks, Warriors, panthers(last year), heat (with big 3). To each his own
I hate the Cubs but I don't think they are a bandwagon fan base. There was always an army of Cubs' jerseys at every Cubs Brewers series, even when the Cubbies sucked.
The Blackhawks on the other hand....
The Lions have fans?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 04, 2017, 01:21:16 PM
I hate the Cubs but I don't think they are a bandwagon fan base. There was always an army of Cubs' jerseys at every Cubs Brewers series, even when the Cubbies sucked.
The Blackhawks on the other hand....
The Blackhawks it's hard to judge what is a bandwagon fan now. I mean I readily admit my first season following hockey was in 08-09 when we lost to Detroit in the Conference finals... that was 8 years ago now so at that point I was a bandwagon fan but we've had three cups and another conference finals appearance worth of bandwagon fans since so who is still considered a bandwagon fan for them?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 04, 2017, 01:21:16 PM
I hate the Cubs but I don't think they are a bandwagon fan base. There was always an army of Cubs' jerseys at every Cubs Brewers series, even when the Cubbies sucked.
The Blackhawks on the other hand....
In defense of some Blackhawks "bandwagon" fans, that was a horribly run organization for a long time that was not very fan friendly and fandom has to start at some point. I do get where you are coming from though.
A Red Sox fan using the Cubs in that example is laughable, however. And I have nothing against Boston or the Red Sox.
Living in Boston the last 12 years, while they have their share of obnoxious fans, by and large fans are fairly tame.
That said, the largest % of meatheads of any Boston fan base is certainly the Celtics.
I like how Jae responded to that both on and off the court. It was absolutely a personal slight against him and he has every right to vent about it (especially if he vents after playing as strongly as he did).
The Boston fan base is a sad group of people who regularly cheer on star opposition players thinking it will lure them in the offseason. It didn't work for Kevin Love, nor did it work for Kevin Durant, and probably won't work for Gordon Hayward.
But if it does, and Jae lends up leaving Boston, he will have a place on an NBA team. Maybe even a better one than the Celtics.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 04, 2017, 01:43:35 PM
I like how Jae responded to that both on and off the court. It was absolutely a personal slight against him and he has every right to vent about it (especially if he vents after playing as strongly as he did).
The Boston fan base is a sad group of people who regularly cheer on star opposition players thinking it will lure them in the offseason. It didn't work for Kevin Love, nor did it work for Kevin Durant, and probably won't work for Gordon Hayward.
But if it does, and Jae lends up leaving Boston, he will have a place on an NBA team. Maybe even a better one than the Celtics.
I vote Bulls, there's not enough MU alumni on the team
Quote from: Celtic Truth on January 04, 2017, 12:17:18 PM
Boston fans are certainly passionate and all 4 teams have been successful lately so there has been a lot to cheer about (or be obnoxious about, depends on your point of view). I respect other passionate fan bases that others may dislike like Philly, Pittsburgh, cardinals, red wings, fans just to name a few examples that come to mind. The fan bases that bother me are bandwagon fan bases like the Cubs, Blackhawks, Seahawks, Warriors, panthers(last year), heat (with big 3). To each his own
In 1992, the Patriots were dead last in the NFL when it came to home attendance.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1992/attendance.htm
Two years later, when Bill Parcells took over, they increased their attendance by 20,000 per game and moved about halfway up the list.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1994/attendance.htm
Boston fans can bandwagon with the best of them.
And the Blackhawks aren't huge bandwaggoners. They always had near sellouts both at the Stadium and when they initially moved to the UC. It was only about a ten year stretch when their attendance really sagged.
http://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph.php?tmi=5218
The moral of the story? Most fanbases have bandwaggon fans. Every Packer fan knows how much easier it is to get a cheap ticket when the team is doing poorly.
Here are Steven's thoughts. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18407208/boston-celtics-coach-brad-stevens-surprised-jae-crowder-fan-comments
(http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18407208/boston-celtics-coach-brad-stevens-surprised-jae-crowder-fan-comments)
Pretty much what you'd expect, but I think the quote below captures it most. To me, it reads "Boston, please don't Bahstahn out on him for this."
"To be honest, I was somewhat surprised to read what he said and tweeted. I told him that this morning because, every day that he comes in, you can tell that he's thankful to be a Celtic, and every time we have that talk about how you represent Boston as an athlete and how tough you have to be to be well-liked here, I've always thought that Jae represented the best of that. I was surprised but I think his body of work over the last two years is a better example of his appreciation for where he is and obviously playing here. I love what he brings to our team and I think that everybody would agree with me on that. I think it's just an emotional reaction, and onward we move."
Now seems like the appropriate time to drop this in...
(https://zkondratenko.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/brad.gif)
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on January 04, 2017, 01:07:55 PM
So if Boston sports are successful they're passionate but if Chicago sports are successful they're bandwagon? lol
I dated a girl from Dorchester (or southie to you people) for 3yrs and we went to every Bulls celtics and Hawks Bruins game (minus the stanley cup) and I was treated like crap at both. The one Sox vs Sox game people were nice to me but were considerably more vulgar to the players. So I stand by my assessment that Boston fans are the worst in the country (minus pats though there was no Patriots vs Packers game for me to base that off of)
I have no problems with Bears, white sox, or bulls fans. the Blackhawks and Cubs have some great fans sure, but some, especially in the marquette demographic (lake county, 18-22 white ppl) are embarrassing. I have friends who are real fans who can't stand the bandwagoners.
Also, Dorchester and Southie are 2 different neighborhoods.
What were you wearing and how were you acting at those Boston games? maybe that had something to do with it. I've always been treated just fine.
Quick story: in about 2003 my family and I were down in NYC and stopped by the old Yankees stadium. It wasn't during a game day so it was quiet and we just wanted to walk around. My brothers and I were between 4-11 years old and wearing Red Sox shirts. We were outside of the pro shop when three locals started giving us a hard time. They were just hanging around in the middle of the day smoking and drinking out of brown paper bags. We started going back and forth a little bit then took off once my little brother asked them "what are u gunna do, shoot me". We didn't leave there thinning "wow, Yankees fans are so mean". I thought we got what we asked for and it was a positive experience in my mind, it was fun talking sh*t and enjoying the rivalry. I appreciate the culture and passion the ppl of the south Bronx feel towards the Yankees. It makes things more fun. It gives character. So I hope ppl appreciate Boston, the locals, and sports fans for who we are. It's a unique culture. If someone talks sh*t to you for wearing a different teams jersey that doesn't mean they're a bad person. They're just breaking your balls. Ppl don't pride themselves on being what I call "fake nice". Quite the opposite really, respect needs to be earned to some extent.
Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2017, 01:25:58 PM
The Lions have fans?
In 2011 they did. Went to the thanksgiving game in Detroit, the infamous Suh Turkey Stomp game. Had beer dumped on me, got cussed out repeatedly, and got my fair share of shoves, shoulder bumps and one hit to the back of the head. The sad thing was that I was at the game with my 8 year old cousin who was there in his Lions jersey, took him as a Christmas present. It's one thing to harass an opposing fan, it's worse to do it in front of a kid.
Like I said, possibly an isolated indecent but it left an impression
I thought it would have been brought up by now, and I certainly don't want to be that guy that gets this thread on the way to Lock-City, but I don't think the history of that particular city and who they decide hardest to cheer for (home or away), is circumstantial here.
Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2017, 10:27:38 AM
No. If you have an opinion, state it proudly and own it. Live with the consequences. We do it here all of the time. Why should an athlete not be allowed to state an opinion? And so what if it doesn't gibe with yours or mine? We need more of it and not less.
Why do we need more of it?
Quote from: MUDish on January 04, 2017, 04:52:14 PM
I thought it would have been brought up by now, and I certainly don't want to be that guy that gets this thread on the way to Lock-City, but I don't think the history of that particular city and who they decide hardest to cheer for (home or away), is circumstantial here.
Yeah, Boston didn't appreciate Big Papi because he's black.
Some people will cry "racism" about anything.
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 04, 2017, 05:33:34 PM
Yeah, Boston didn't appreciate Big Papi because he's black.
Some people will cry "racism" about anything.
You proved MUDish's point. Ortiz isn't black. He's Dominican.
It was on highly questionable today. One of them made a pretty funny comment (think it was Boomani) saying that Jae could always go play for the Patriots.
Quote from: Celtic Truth on January 04, 2017, 03:00:59 PM
I have no problems with Bears, white sox, or bulls fans. the Blackhawks and Cubs have some great fans sure, but some, especially in the marquette demographic (lake county, 18-22 white ppl) are embarrassing. I have friends who are real fans who can't stand the bandwagoners.
Also, Dorchester and Southie are 2 different neighborhoods.
What were you wearing and how were you acting at those Boston games? maybe that had something to do with it. I've always been treated just fine.
Quick story: in about 2003 my family and I were down in NYC and stopped by the old Yankees stadium. It wasn't during a game day so it was quiet and we just wanted to walk around. My brothers and I were between 4-11 years old and wearing Red Sox shirts. We were outside of the pro shop when three locals started giving us a hard time. They were just hanging around in the middle of the day smoking and drinking out of brown paper bags. We started going back and forth a little bit then took off once my little brother asked them "what are u gunna do, shoot me". We didn't leave there thinning "wow, Yankees fans are so mean". I thought we got what we asked for and it was a positive experience in my mind, it was fun talking sh*t and enjoying the rivalry. I appreciate the culture and passion the ppl of the south Bronx feel towards the Yankees. It makes things more fun. It gives character. So I hope ppl appreciate Boston, the locals, and sports fans for who we are. It's a unique culture. If someone talks sh*t to you for wearing a different teams jersey that doesn't mean they're a bad person. They're just breaking your balls. Ppl don't pride themselves on being what I call "fake nice". Quite the opposite really, respect needs to be earned to some extent.
I'm quite confident if it was the early 90s you'd be calling bills fans band wagoners as well. Of course you're gonna find band wagon fans in lake county, are you saying there's no bandwagon bruins or six fans just across the boarder in New Hampshire?
You're right on that, it's been a solid two or so years so I only remember her calling herself a southie girl b/c where she grew up. Got my neighborhoods crossed.
As far as your Bronx experience goes fair play to you, but I stand by my assessment that the Boston fans at the celtics and bruins games were the worst.
Quote from: MUBurrow on January 04, 2017, 02:31:25 PM
Here are Steven's thoughts. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18407208/boston-celtics-coach-brad-stevens-surprised-jae-crowder-fan-comments
(http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18407208/boston-celtics-coach-brad-stevens-surprised-jae-crowder-fan-comments)
Pretty much what you'd expect, but I think the quote below captures it most. To me, it reads "Boston, please don't Bahstahn out on him for this."
"To be honest, I was somewhat surprised to read what he said and tweeted. I told him that this morning because, every day that he comes in, you can tell that he's thankful to be a Celtic, and every time we have that talk about how you represent Boston as an athlete and how tough you have to be to be well-liked here, I've always thought that Jae represented the best of that. I was surprised but I think his body of work over the last two years is a better example of his appreciation for where he is and obviously playing here. I love what he brings to our team and I think that everybody would agree with me on that. I think it's just an emotional reaction, and onward we move."
imho-i think jae is a better fit for the celtics than hayward. who is hayward going to take the points from? i think he would cannibalize their team. jae is actually a more efficient shooter and tougher inside when he has to be. plays bigger than his listed 6'6". his payday is coming. would love to have him on my team. i think he still appreciates where he came from. just sounded a little out of character to beef. i'm sure he was thinking out loud and some reporter stuck a mic in his face and he was incredibly honest. i don't think steven's comments were the kiss of see ya buh bye. his departure from the celts would be someone elses huge gain. he'd look pretty good in deer colors, 'ey?
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 04, 2017, 05:51:38 PM
You proved MUDish's point. Ortiz isn't black. He's Dominican.
And if Boston fans were so racist, would it matter? He's not white, so they would never warm to the guy, right?
Racism driving this Crowder controversy is a figment of your SJW mind.
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 04, 2017, 07:48:51 PM
And if Boston fans were so racist, would it matter? He's not white, so they would never warm to the guy, right?
Racism driving this Crowder controversy is a figment of your SJW mind.
Sure it matters. Bostonians don't have a history of issues with Latin athletes.
1. I like to think there's no racism involved, but I admit it did cross my mind.
2. It absolutely was an insult to Jae and I don't blame him one iota for perceiving it as one.
3. The athlete rarely "wins" these kinds of "wars" with fans, but Jae has the kind of game that any true fan should love, as well as a winning personality. It's also possible Jae doesn't care if fans don't like that he was insulted by the cheers for Hayward. Jae has a team-friendly contract, and a dozen teams (maybe more) would be happy to trade for him.
4. Jae should know better than to use a tweet to take a poke at Boston fans. I mean, tweets are supposed to be used by the president-elect to escalate arms races, to insult Gold Star families and to fat-shame former beauty-pageant contestants.
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 04, 2017, 07:48:51 PM
Racism driving this Crowder controversy is a figment of your SJW mind.
Side comment. I never understood why Social Justice Warrior is used as an insult. Especially by Marquette alums. 1. The tile of warrior is one of the highest compliments you can gave a Marquette fan. 2. If you asked any Jesuit what their order is about, they would say social justice. So why is a Warrior who fights for the highest ideals of the Jesuits a bad thing?
Quote from: reinko on January 04, 2017, 07:26:01 AM
Jae still has 3 years left on his contract, which is guaranteed @ (6.7, 7.3, & 7.8 million) so he is no danger from a financial standpoint. In today's league and salary cap Jae is a bargain, if he were to put on the open market, I agree he is probably a 12-14 million dollar a year player.
Probably just self-motivating himself, and look what we did, 5/6 from from 3pt, and 21 pts.
One would think with that kind of coin, Jae would have bought a keyboard with a working Caps Lock key by now.
In before the lock.....
Quote from: Newsdrms on January 05, 2017, 10:09:06 AM
In before the lock.....
lock? ok, i'll bring er back around-jae will figure it out-the media can make or break you. i wonder if the nba includes a few pointers on the do's and don'ts with the media along with the-don't take 3 girls you just met back to your room for a "nightcap" class unless you want all your chit taken and/or you want to up your monthly child support tab orientation
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 05, 2017, 11:07:46 AM
lock? ok, i'll bring er back around-jae will figure it out-the media can make or break you. i wonder if the nba includes a few pointers on the do's and don'ts with the media along with the-don't take 3 girls you just met back to your room for a "nightcap" class unless you want all your chit taken and/or you want to up your monthly child support tab orientation
When in doubt, go with the old standby - blame the media.
In this case, the medium involved was one of Jae's own choosing - Twitter - and the words were his own.
Damn media!
Brad Stevens backed him up big time. Stevens is a class act in my book. He did it in a way that respects both the fans and Jae.
Seems like the Bucks should franchise out the "bandwagon cam"! Jae could sponsor it!
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2017, 02:01:45 PM
When in doubt, go with the old standby - blame the media.
In this case, the medium involved was one of Jae's own choosing - Twitter - and the words were his own.
Damn media!
i wasn't blaming anything-sensitive much? all i said was that...well i think you can read what i said. tell me where i'm wrong. the snow out there got ya a little testy, 'ey? by the way, he used both. yes i know he brought it on himself
Also keep in mind, Blackhawk games weren't on TV until Bill Wertz died. This reason alone is why they were voted worst sports franchise in all the major sports leagues. I, along with many people, hopped on board once the games were on TV.
And I too would love to see Jae on the Bulls.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 07, 2017, 09:43:29 PM
i wasn't blaming anything-sensitive much? all i said was that...well i think you can read what i said. tell me where i'm wrong. the snow out there got ya a little testy, 'ey? by the way, he used both. yes i know he brought it on himself
You said the media can make or break you. "The media" - at least what most people refer to when they say it the way you did - had nothing to do with Jae's situation.
If you meant "social media," well yeah.
And I guess I am a little overly sensitive on this subject. The media deserve blame fairly often, so I don't like seeing 'em blamed when they play little to no role.
Quote from: MU82 on January 08, 2017, 12:08:57 AM
You said the media can make or break you. "The media" - at least what most people refer to when they say it the way you did - had nothing to do with Jae's situation.
If you meant "social media," well yeah.
And I guess I am a little overly sensitive on this subject. The media deserve blame fairly often, so I don't like seeing 'em blamed when they play little to no role.
jay said what he said, put it on SOCIAL media. thus, a story has been created. now, the OTHER media comes in to ask him about it. if jae doesn't handle this properly, it could well blow up into something bigger than the statement itself really needs to be. if jae just downplays it, laughs it off, it probably goes away. if he continues to push it and get down on the fans, etc, the media will run with it.
now, here is where the media can make or break you-i mean no personal disrespect here 82, but let's be honest. the media people are, well, people too. now let's take jae completely out of this part. actually, this could become a very interesting topic in and of itself. many times, if there is a history involved with a certain person/athlete-let's say he/she has snubbed the print media in the past, a negative or perceived negative article has been written in the past and the athlete is pissed(marshawn) political persuasions, hell, maybe the athlete threw a drink at the reporter in a bar...whatever. skip forward and a completely different issue comes up-he/she tweets FREE CHICOS or something for example. can the media put aside it's biases or personal issues and write honestly about the story? i know, ya'll take the "oath" and all, but seriously? there are ways, and there are other ways....power of the pen, ey ey eyn'a?
once again, i am NOT blaming anyone-jae is responsible for himself. i just hope he doesn't sleep with a reporters daughter or throw a drink in his face and then tweet out something weird.
Jae gets into a post-game shoving match with John Wall.
http://deadspin.com/the-celtics-and-wizards-still-cant-stand-each-other-1791101517
Someone grab rocket his fainting couch.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on January 12, 2017, 10:25:11 AM
Jae gets into a post-game shoving match with John Wall.
http://deadspin.com/the-celtics-and-wizards-still-cant-stand-each-other-1791101517
Someone grab rocket his fainting couch.
whaaaaaaaaaat?? ?-(
rocketman:
The "media" does not have nearly the influence it once did on sports. Teams now ARE the media; they release most news on their Web sites or on their leagues' sites. Athletes ARE the media - as perfectly demonstrated in Jae's case.
Once upon a time, a jock who pissed off a notable writer could have been sabotaged by the writer. Now, most fans will say, "Eff that writer. I love (insert jock's name)." I'm not saying writers can't be biased against jocks who do them wrong; I'm saying it doesn't matter.
The media is mostly reactionary - now more than ever. Johnny Manzel ... did the media curtail his career or did he curtail it himself? Did the media end Tebow's NFL career or did the fact that he was one of the worst passers EVER end it?
There is no "oath" taken by anybody in the media. And the power of the pen is mostly a myth now, at least in sports.
The best newspapers still have a major role in society by rooting out corruption and hypocrisy in the rich and powerful. Unfortunately, some in that industry have their own failings. Still, it will be a sad, sorry state of affairs if the biggest players - Times, Post, WSJ, etc - go belly-up.
As for Jae vs. Wall ... Wall is lucky it wasn't a real fight. Jae woulda folded, spindled and mutilated that skinny little guard!
I think what we are seeing is businesses n individuals taken control of their own destiny. In the past they were victims or benefitted by how the media chose them. We all know that objectivity have left reporting and instead of getting hit with an opinion piece sold as objective reporting why not fight back n take control of ones own situation.
Media has overstepped for far too long and gotten far to power hungry and arrogant. One only need to look to Washington now to see its hypocrisy. None greater than the outrage they felt when Trump wasnt unequivical on accepting election results and how the media has acted since "they" lost and what has transpired since. Mainstream media is imploding on its self and has lost every shred of professionalism n decency. Do what i say not as i do
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 13, 2017, 09:07:06 AM
I think what we are seeing is businesses n individuals taken control of their own destiny. In the past they were victims or benefitted by how the media chose them. We all know that objectivity have left reporting and instead of getting hit with an opinion piece sold as objective reporting why not fight back n take control of ones own situation.
Media has overstepped for far too long and gotten far to power hungry and arrogant. One only need to look to Washington now to see its hypocrisy. None greater than the outrage they felt when Trump wasnt unequivical on accepting election results and how the media has acted since "they" lost and what has transpired since. Mainstream media is imploding on its self and has lost every shred of professionalism n decency. Do what i say not as i do
You are correct on one level. Members of the media are arrogant. Especially sports media types. The thing is though that that more Stephen A. Smiths that are screaming out there, the less people pay attention.
As predicted, this "controversy" went away quickly because it never was that big of a deal.
And by the way, there hasn't been a "mainstream media" now for at least a decade. Stop parroting talking points.