1. Let me get this cliche out of the way right now. Conference road games. And every cliche that goes with them.
2. Haanif needs a breakaway lay up. He has got the yips so bad right now. But, to his credit, he isn't forcing it and he is working hard everywhere else.
3. Nobody can complain that it was boring or that either team didn't play hard.
4. I was going to rhapsodize poetic about the struggles of freshmen in their first road game. Then Markus got serious. And Sam never quit working. Those two are going to be a freaking blast to watch the next 3.5 years.
5. Katin can shoot. Who knew?
6. The defense still had a couple of lapses, but all do. They are playing a lot harder and a lot smarter and a lot more together on defense.
7. The zone worked well. Nice little change up.
8. A healthy Duane sure would have been nice today. Get well soon.
9. JjJ was a turnover machine today and he had his obligatory 'stand and stare at the ref while the ball goes the other way' moment. But then he gets those steals, and almost all is forgiven.
10. MU got three dream looks in the last 2 minutes, Howard's 3, Luke's dunk, Haanif's lay up. Literally cannot ask for better. Sometimes.....
11. Nice move subbing Katin for HC on that offensive possession. Paid off. Wojo shows some feel for the game.
12. MU rebounded so well..... until those foul shots. Mental lapses. Luke. Sam. JjJ.
13. And then JjJ being JjJ. Nice defensive play by SHU. They worked harder in crunch time. And smarter.
14. Terrible way to lose.
15. Next.
No cujones. Period.
Just a disgusting loss. Completely gave that away down the stretch. Unreal.
How many turnovers, missed layups and missed box outs could a single team have at the end of a game?
This was an awful way to lose.
39 minutes of good basketball.
1 minute meltdown.
Im not sure why people are surprised. This was one of those games that should have been awesome if we won, but understandable if we lost.
Wow. Lost because we can't get rebound
Embarrassing
Terrible 30 seconds cost Reinhardt his first SOTG in his best performance. We were supposed to lose this, but this is the kind of game that differentiates a NCAA and NIT berth.
Gave that one away.
I think Wojo should make them watch the last two minutes 1000 times.
Quote from: GoldenZebra on January 01, 2017, 05:26:00 PM
Im not sure why people are surprised. This was one of those games that should have been awesome if we won, but understandable if we lost.
It's not the loss. It's how the game was lost. We peed our pants.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 01, 2017, 05:26:57 PM
Gave that one away.
Fact. Not going to stew, not going to be bitter, but the team did not do what they needed to do in the last minute and Seton Hall did.
Sick to my stomach.
Quote from: 1SE on January 01, 2017, 05:28:51 PM
Sick to my stomach.
Me too. That just plain sucked.
That was a huge loss because MU pretty much had a road win in hand, and then crapped it away in the final minute. Road wins are so hard to come by in the Big East, especially against the upper half of the league. Now on to Philly for the Villanova game.
MU inventing new ways to lose. Watch JJJ on the second 1 and 1, he shoves the SH player into Hauser so now he basically has to box out 2 players, one being his teammate. Why would JJJ do that?? So dumb.
Played hard and mostly really good defense, including defensive rebounding for 39.5 minutes. Reinhardt was great and the freshmen came around in the second half. Need our other seniors to not be a liability on one end - JJ was outstanding defensively but a turnover machine, and Luke had far too many defensive lapses.
Gotta start ta grow a dick, hey?
Looking for upperclassmen leadership. Paging upperclassmen leadership. Although KR came close today.
Still can't believe we blew this
It's just endless the way they find ways too lose
This is clearly a tourney caliber team and that's looking grim. unnatural carnal knowledge
Look how close we came. Ya, pee'd down our leg, but fix that, we will win some games.
Quote from: TFlegend on January 01, 2017, 05:38:05 PM
MU inventing new ways to lose. Watch JJJ on the second 1 and 1, he shoves the SH player into Hauser so now he basically has to box out 2 players, one being his teammate. Why would JJJ do that?? So dumb.
JJJ makes mind-boggling stupid decisions on a regular basis. He should have been seated for the last minute. The lost rebound, where he falls down and pushes Hauser out of the play, followed by the drive-turnover, were too much for me. He can't be on the court when it matters.
So much good seemed to be erased in 1 minute, which is tough to swallow. Hopefully, we can make up for this one with an upset somewhere else.
Main concern is this coming back to haunt us if we find ourselves short a win when all is said and done. Seton Hall is not a garbage team, fortunately.
Also, I'm praying hard that Creighton's big man, Patton, is merciful and only puts up 30 on us. Delgado could not be stopped one on one.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on January 01, 2017, 05:44:39 PM
JJJ makes mind-boggling stupid decisions on a regular basis. He should have been seated for the last minute. The lost rebound, where he falls down and pushes Hauser out of the play, followed by the drive-turnover, were too much for me. He can't be on the court when it matters.
Do the other 39 minutes not matter? He's not a perfect player by any means but without him we're not even in the game at the end.
In early 2010 we struggled mightily to win these types of games. It took time, but we got better at it. This shows we can compete with a team that humiliated us twice last year. Anyone looking at today as a bigger negative than positive is off base. Sure, it sucks to lose, but today was a good sign.
Quote from: MUtbone on January 01, 2017, 05:45:09 PM
So much good seemed to be erased in 1 minute, which is tough to swallow. Hopefully, we can make up for this one with an upset somewhere else.
Main concern is this coming back to haunt us if we find ourselves short a win when all is said and done. Seton Hall is not a garbage team, fortunately.
Also, I'm praying hard that Creighton's big man, Patton, is merciful and only puts up 30 on us. Delgado could not be stopped one on one.
Almost certainly that will be the case. We'll be one top-50 road win away from being in. This L will really sting on Selection Sunday as the one game that would have changed the post-season outcome had it easily gone the other way (just like how the loss to DePaul last year most likely kept us out of the NIT).
My cousin that just got out of jail and knows nothing about Marquette basketball. . . 'there's that number 23 again messing up. . . Take him out'. Agree pushing the opposing player into Hauser's back instead of pinching? Holding the ball when a wide open Howard is on the wing ready to catch and shoot! Not chinning the rebound down low on the And 1. Trying to do too much to Luke in awkward positions.
I think if Cheat actually goes toward the rim aggressively instead of fading he gets that foul. Luke pumping because 31 waives his hand in front of his face. Sam missing the free throw.
I loved the back door play for the lead. I loved the dish to Sam for the lay up. I loved the two steals in a route for buckets.
Questionable block call on Hauser. He looked set. Maybe in semi circle?
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 01, 2017, 05:48:13 PM
In early 2010 we struggled mightily to win these types of games. It took time, but we got better at it. This shows we can compete with a team that humiliated us twice last year. Anyone looking at today as a bigger negative than positive is off base. Sure, it sucks to lose, but today was a good sign.
I agree this year we beat them at home. I was impressed how we came back in the first place. I thought it was over. 10-11 BE wins still possible.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on January 01, 2017, 05:44:39 PM
JJJ makes mind-boggling stupid decisions on a regular basis. He should have been seated for the last minute. The lost rebound, where he falls down and pushes Hauser out of the play, followed by the drive-turnover, were too much for me. He can't be on the court when it matters.
And put who in? Haanif couldn't throw the ball in the ocean. Do you really want Rowsey and Howard on the floor trying secure defensive rebounds? Dressing 8 has its downsides.
When does luke graduate?
Quote from: gepsguys on January 01, 2017, 05:55:26 PM
I agree this year we beat them at home. I was impressed how we came back in the first place. I thought it was over. 10-11 BE wins still possible.
That's all that matters. No bad losses so far, and I hope it stays that way.
Gotta move forward to the next one.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 01, 2017, 05:59:26 PM
When does luke graduate?
Luke had 12 and 7 against the best big man in the BE. I'm much more concerned about JJJ and Haanif.
Quote from: Ellenson_toMU14 on January 01, 2017, 05:47:32 PM
Do the other 39 minutes not matter? He's not a perfect player by any means but without him we're not even in the game at the end.
No, he kind of awful throughout. Got his customary steals but was otherwise pretty disastrous.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 01, 2017, 06:01:29 PM
Luke had 12 and 7 against the best big man in the BE. I'm much more concerned about JJJ and Haanif.
Yup. JjJ was intermittently brain dead and brilliant. Haanif is as snakebit as I can remember a talented player being. Confidence gone.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 01, 2017, 05:59:26 PM
When does luke graduate?
Don't wish too soon. If Wojo doesn't get a grad transfer or JUCO big, next year might be brutal.
Luke was fine today, he just has no help up front against bigger stronger boys.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 01, 2017, 05:59:26 PM
When does luke graduate?
He has his flaws but we are going to miss him a lot next season.
Quote from: Norm on January 01, 2017, 05:31:43 PM
Road wins are so hard to come by in the Big East
No they're not. Last year road wins happened in the BEast more than most conferences. Home team won less than 55% of the time. It's a myth that gets repeated over & over again.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 01, 2017, 06:06:18 PM
No they're not. Last year road wins happened in the BEast more than most conferences. Home team won less than 55% of the time. It's a myth that gets repeated over & over again.
That is a shocking stat. Is it the extremes that bungle it? Like, Nova wins 8 on the road, DePaul/SJU loses 8.
It's a guard's dame....oh wait. The MU urban league bigs arrive next year.
This team is fun to watch as different players find a way to shine. Problem is there is no leader yet.
This is a 9-9 team. Narrow margins in every game. This one was won. Can't give these back in the BE.
Wojo put this team in a position to win. No one stepped up at the end. Missed Duane today.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 01, 2017, 06:37:17 PM
Wojo put this team in a position to win. No one stepped up at the end. Missed Duane today.
+1
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 01, 2017, 06:38:26 PM
+1
this is what's so frustrating about Marquette basketball right now. Wojo did well today, and his team pulls off an epic choke.
A lot of people looking at this game and it makes them pessimistic.
That is weird because this game made me optimistic. Defense has improved. The occasional zone is working. That is big.
Yes we choked down the end with poor defensive rebounding and some missed layups but last year Seton Hall smoked us both home and away. We had no chance to choke.
We are very evenly matched with them this year. If Duane can get healthy and Cheatham gets out of his offensive funk (his D is looking good this year) I say this is a tourney team.
Can someone help out here.
My buddy watched game and asked why wasn't Luke lined up under the basket on the free throw miss. He said he was up by the shooter. I said I didn't notice and now I am just curious if that was correct.
Anyone see that or have a replay, if not no big deal.
Quote from: nyg on January 01, 2017, 06:43:49 PM
Can someone help out here.
My buddy watched game and asked why wasn't Luke lined up under the basket on the free throw miss. He said he was up by the shooter. I said I didn't notice and now I am just curious if that was correct.
Anyone see that or have a replay, if not no big deal.
This happened but I thought it was because Luke blew the box-out on his man....not sure if it was on purpose or just trying to put a body on someone
Edit: sorry I thought you meant who he boxed out - not where he started
Quote from: nyg on January 01, 2017, 06:43:49 PM
Can someone help out here.
My buddy watched game and asked why wasn't Luke lined up under the basket on the free throw miss. He said he was up by the shooter. I said I didn't notice and now I am just curious if that was correct.
Anyone see that or have a replay, if not no big deal.
The NCAA moved out the blocks years ago to match the international rules.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 01, 2017, 06:49:35 PM
The NCAA moved out the blocks years ago to match the international rules.
OK, thanks. Just was questioned why Luke at 6ft11 was not under the boards. Strange, but it is what it is.
Regarding something Tower said earlier in the thread about not going to stew or be bitter. You are a better man than I. Bitter, check. Stewing, check. I think it is because MU was right there at the end, it seems they overcame a lot just get out toughed in the last minute of the game. A bunch of folks have said it in different ways but Wojo needs a 6'7-6'9 bad ass on the roster at all times that will get "that" rebound or defend the paint in a way that gives the opposing team a little something extra to think about. MU really needed that one, so close, so close......
Quote from: manny31 on January 01, 2017, 07:11:03 PMA bunch of folks have said it in different ways but Wojo needs a 6'7-6'9 bad ass on the roster at all times that will get "that" rebound or defend the paint in a way that gives the opposing team a little something extra to think about.
He had that guy in Hank last year, but he left early. Hopefully Eke and John are those guys next year. We lost Levin, missed on Washington, and saw Young slip away. He's tried to get that guy but for this season, having that guy on the roster wasn't in the cards. Safe to say he knows the issue and is trying to compensate in other ways this year.
Quote from: GoldenZebra on January 01, 2017, 05:26:00 PM
Im not sure why people are surprised. This was one of those games that should have been awesome if we won, but understandable if we lost.
I'm not sure why people don't understand. Yes marquette shouldn't have won the game. But they had the win and they gave it away. This is a horrible loss no matter if your playing DePaul or Duke. Up 3 with 30 then miss out on 2 straight rebounds.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 01, 2017, 05:48:13 PM
In early 2010 we struggled mightily to win these types of games. It took time, but we got better at it. This shows we can compete with a team that humiliated us twice last year. Anyone looking at today as a bigger negative than positive is off base. Sure, it sucks to lose, but today was a good sign.
Exactly. Most of what went wrong is controllable and correctable, but it's also some awful luck to have it all go down at once.
Chit happens, ai'na?
Quote from: nyg on January 01, 2017, 06:43:49 PM
Can someone help out here.
My buddy watched game and asked why wasn't Luke lined up under the basket on the free throw miss. He said he was up by the shooter. I said I didn't notice and now I am just curious if that was correct.
Anyone see that or have a replay, if not no big deal.
No--Luke was on the low block/first position where he should have been.
Sonogo was shooting the FT.......either JJJ or Haani needs to block out the shooter. Neither did. Sonogo goes in and keeps ball alive for Carribgton to score and get fouled.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 01, 2017, 06:31:39 PM
That is a shocking stat. Is it the extremes that bungle it? Like, Nova wins 8 on the road, DePaul/SJU loses 8.
Partly. MU I believe was 4-5 on the road AND at home last year.
Twice this season MU has lost a game that they had all but won. While neither is a "bad loss" on paper, these are the types of games that can be the difference between the NCAA Tournament and the NIT.
Quote from: manny31 on January 01, 2017, 07:11:03 PM
Regarding something Tower said earlier in the thread about not going to stew or be bitter. You are a better man than I. Bitter, check. Stewing, check. I think it is because MU was right there at the end, it seems they overcame a lot just get out toughed in the last minute of the game. A bunch of folks have said it in different ways but Wojo needs a 6'7-6'9 bad ass on the roster at all times that will get "that" rebound or defend the paint in a way that gives the opposing team a little something extra to think about. MU really needed that one, so close, so close......
Theo John!
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 01, 2017, 06:43:29 PM
A lot of people looking at this game and it makes them pessimistic.
That is weird because this game made me optimistic. Defense has improved. The occasional zone is working. That is big.
Yes we choked down the end with poor defensive rebounding and some missed layups but last year Seton Hall smoked us both home and away. We had no chance to choke.
We are very evenly matched with them this year. If Duane can get healthy and Cheatham gets out of his offensive funk (his D is looking good this year) I say this is a tourney team.
This.
And what brew said, too.
I was frustrated after we failed to get that last FT rebound and tossed my TV remote to the ground. But a couple minutes after the game, I said: "That was a tough one. But I actually come away encouraged."
Not sure we can compare this year vs. SHU to last year. Much different team last year with Gordon and Whitehead. If they are still there we probably get smoked again with our lapses. We certainly showed better with great opportunity to win this year, and no doubt improved on offense. Good that we could compete despite the lapses on offense, we bounce back and will be tough for just about all in BEAST.
My one observation: Progress is slow and steady, an oftentimes with terrible missteps, but there is progress.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on January 01, 2017, 05:44:39 PM
JJJ makes mind-boggling stupid decisions on a regular basis. He should have been seated for the last minute. The lost rebound, where he falls down and pushes Hauser out of the play, followed by the drive-turnover, were too much for me. He can't be on the court when it matters.
Who would you sub in for him?
It was not only the 30+ seconds of 2nd half. What about the end of first half, we lost the lead.
If it were up to the Scoop Collective, the only people allowed on the floor during crunch time would be Cam Marotta and the equipment manager.
Quote from: MU82 on January 02, 2017, 12:19:44 AM
This.
And what brew said, too.
I was frustrated after we failed to get that last FT rebound and tossed my TV remote to the ground. But a couple minutes after the game, I said: "That was a tough one. But I actually come away encouraged."
Me three.
We sometimes forget these guys are kids, even by college basketball standards. As such, I promise they're going to make sometimes painful mistakes. They'll blow games, like they did Sunday. Is that any different than those of us who prepared well for an examination, studied and worked to be ready and then found out that somehow we just didn't get to where the professor thought we should? It happens.
Even in the Al era, we lost games we should have won. In the Majerus era, we had North Carolina beaten at home in the old Arena only to let that one slip away too in about the last 1.5 minutes. With Crean in DWade's first year, we lost a game at the NCAAs in St. Louis to Tulsa that we NEVER should have lost. We just did not show up that day. We had our heads handed to us last year by Iowa, which was a good team but not THAT good!
I think that if we could play for 39.5 minutes with Seton Hall at their place, we're getting there. I thought our defense was better than I have seen in a long time. I thought it was interesting that we played as a team and that a different Warrior seems to be taking the lead every week. We're exciting to watch and a lot of us are disappointed because we saw our Warriors as having this one in the bag. Wojo coached a great game and our team met the challenge most of the way.
We'll get 'em in Milwaukee!
I'm depressed about that loss...better put it behind me.
The subject line for this one could be: "Pirates' stolen booty."
The win was ours. And then it wasn't.
Or simply: "Arrrrrr!!!!!"
Silver over on the other board made this point. Hadn't seen it posted anywhere here. JJJ went 0/8 in the half court offense yesterday. He went 4/5 in transition. I didn't see the game. Was this JJJ not playing in the offense or was it Seton Hall defending him very well?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 02, 2017, 03:03:56 PM
Silver over on the other board made this point. Hadn't seen it posted anywhere here. JJJ went 0/8 in the half court offense yesterday. He went 4/5 in transition. I didn't see the game. Was this JJJ not playing in the offense or was it Seton Hall defending him very well?
I'm not sure 0/8 is accurate. But anyway they were playing him very well. They knew he likes to run the curl off the baseline and pretty much had it cut off. He did miss a couple shots that he usually makes though.
He did not finish through traffic or contact.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 01, 2017, 06:31:39 PM
That is a shocking stat. Is it the extremes that bungle it? Like, Nova wins 8 on the road, DePaul/SJU loses 8.
MU contributes to it by losing home games to DePaul and Creighton and then beating those same two teams on the road.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 02, 2017, 03:03:56 PM
Silver over on the other board made this point. Hadn't seen it posted anywhere here. JJJ went 0/8 in the half court offense yesterday. He went 4/5 in transition. I didn't see the game. Was this JJJ not playing in the offense or was it Seton Hall defending him very well?
JJJ tries to force things on offense. He does it every game and often turns the ball over as he tries to bail himself out with a bad pass to another player.
Thread title should be: Yarrr! That blows.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on January 02, 2017, 03:20:54 PM
I'm not sure 0/8 is accurate. But anyway they were playing him very well. They knew he likes to run the curl off the baseline and pretty much had it cut off. He did miss a couple shots that he usually makes though.
Agreed. He missed two of the elbow-area jumpers that he usually makes - I actually said, "Nice" as he took them, because I really like that shot out of our offense. I also like the FT-line jumper that Sam made this game and I think Katin an earlier game.
I've become a big JJJ fan, but he was definitely out of sorts on offense most of the game. Out of control a few times, a little rushed. They did defend him well, too.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 01, 2017, 05:48:13 PM
In early 2010 we struggled mightily to win these types of games. It took time, but we got better at it. This shows we can compete with a team that humiliated us twice last year. Anyone looking at today as a bigger negative than positive is off base. Sure, it sucks to lose, but today was a good sign.
It wasn't just early 2010... our season ended that year the same way it was rang in... a buzzer beater heart break
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on January 02, 2017, 10:40:11 PM
It wasn't just early 2010... our season ended that year the same way it was rang in... a buzzer beater heart break
Oh, I remember all too well. After FSU, West Virginia, Villanova, it felt like we finally had that holding on thing figured out. Man, that Washington game was a party...and then they stormed back from what, 18 down? Quincy Pondexter. SMDH.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 01, 2017, 09:07:41 PM
No--Luke was on the low block/first position where he should have been.
Sonogo was shooting the FT.......either JJJ or Haani needs to block out the shooter. Neither did. Sonogo goes in and keeps ball alive for Carribgton to score and get fouled.
Kinda related, but did you know, starting this year in high school basketball in Illinois you can't box out the free throw shooter anymore.
You can get in front of him, but if you put a body on the shooter at all, it's now a technical foul. Which by the way, may be the dumbest rule in basketball.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 03, 2017, 07:41:08 AM
Kinda related, but did you know, starting this year in high school basketball in Illinois you can't box out the free throw shooter anymore.
You can get in front of him, but if you put a body on the shooter at all, it's now a technical foul. Which by the way, may be the dumbest rule in basketball.
wtf that is totaly crazy
Quote from: Newsdrms on January 03, 2017, 07:48:07 AM
wtf that is totaly crazy
In Illinois, the FT is considered a "safe space".
Next up, Illinois HS baseball will be using tees.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on January 03, 2017, 07:57:59 AM
In Illinois, the FT is considered a "safe space".
Next up, Illinois HS baseball will be using tees.
"safe space" :P
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 03, 2017, 07:41:08 AM
Kinda related, but did you know, starting this year in high school basketball in Illinois you can't box out the free throw shooter anymore.
You can get in front of him, but if you put a body on the shooter at all, it's now a technical foul. Which by the way, may be the dumbest rule in basketball.
That's not entirely accurate. You can still box out the shooter. You just can't cross the FT line until the ball hits the rim. The shooter can't cross the FT line before the ball hits the rim anyway so an opposing player can be in front of the shooter ready to box out once the ball leaves his hand and can put a body on him once the ball gets to the rim. It's really not that significant of a change. When I was in HS, we couldn't leave the lane until the ball hit the rim. That rule changed recently so I presume that this rule was made in response to that. Not crossing the FT to box out the shooter until the ball hits the rim is a MUCH better rule than not leaving the lane until it hits the rim.
Quote from: 1SE on January 01, 2017, 05:49:13 PM
Almost certainly that will be the case. We'll be one top-50 road win away from being in. This L will really sting on Selection Sunday as the one game that would have changed the post-season outcome had it easily gone the other way (just like how the loss to DePaul last year most likely kept us out of the NIT).
Keep your Sunnyside up, or are you Dwelling.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 03, 2017, 09:16:24 AM
That's not entirely accurate. You can still box out the shooter. You just can't cross the FT line until the ball hits the rim. The shooter can't cross the FT line before the ball hits the rim anyway so an opposing player can be in front of the shooter ready to box out once the ball leaves his hand and can put a body on him once the ball gets to the rim. It's really not that significant of a change. When I was in HS, we couldn't leave the lane until the ball hit the rim. That rule changed recently so I presume that this rule was made in response to that. Not crossing the FT to box out the shooter until the ball hits the rim is a MUCH better rule than not leaving the lane until it hits the rim.
It was always universally understood that the shooter cannot cross the line on a FT attempt until the ball hits the rim; however, what's not been universally understood is that the shooter was entitled to the line until the ball hits the rim. Whether some rulebooks explicitly state this, make reference to it in their "situation manual," or omit it completely, I have no idea, but it's the same concept as on an inbounds play: the inbounder cannot cross the line (until the ball is inbounded) but is entitled to the line until he does so, i.e. a defender who crosses the line and impedes the inbounder is assessed a technical foul.
So I don't know what Illinois' HS rulebook says/said, but whether it amounts to an actual rule change, a clarification as a result of another rule change, or simply a point of emphasis, the basic concept that's being enforced here doesn't appear to be materially different.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 03, 2017, 09:16:24 AM
That's not entirely accurate. You can still box out the shooter. You just can't cross the FT line until the ball hits the rim. The shooter can't cross the FT line before the ball hits the rim anyway so an opposing player can be in front of the shooter ready to box out once the ball leaves his hand and can put a body on him once the ball gets to the rim. It's really not that significant of a change. When I was in HS, we couldn't leave the lane until the ball hit the rim. That rule changed recently so I presume that this rule was made in response to that. Not crossing the FT to box out the shooter until the ball hits the rim is a MUCH better rule than not leaving the lane until it hits the rim.
Now this makes sense
Best 39 minutes and 35 seconds in years. Worst 25 seconds ever? As frustrating a loss this was we showed real progress from one month ago. Stay focused on progress.
Quote from: Class71 on January 04, 2017, 06:03:26 AM
Best 39 minutes and 35 seconds in years. Worst 25 seconds ever? As frustrating a loss this was we showed real progress from one month ago. Stay focused on progress.
Worst 25 seconds ever? Not even close. This was still just a regular season game. I'll take that 25 seconds over Missouri, Stanford, Washington, or any other gut-wrenching season-ending loss.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 03, 2017, 07:41:08 AM
Kinda related, but did you know, starting this year in high school basketball in Illinois you can't box out the free throw shooter anymore.
You can get in front of him, but if you put a body on the shooter at all, it's now a technical foul. Which by the way, may be the dumbest rule in basketball.
It is not an Illinois rule. It is a national rule - 9-1-3h - new for the 2016-17 season.
Kids shouting, "I've got shooter!" were being too aggressive in the actual act of getting the shooter. In some cases, they were making contact with the shooter a second after the release, affecting the follow-through. Plus, a shooter can be a little off-balance in the first second or two after release, and therefore can be knocked down by an overly aggressive opponent.
The rebounder in the closest-to-shooter position can still enter the lane upon release of the basketball. But he or she may not touch or step over the FT line or may not make contact with the shooter until the ball hits the rim.
It's not a radical change. I am a coach and told my players to make sure they don't do it, and they haven't. I also am a ref and haven't had any problem with it this season.