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Title: Number of games where not having a true 4 cost us a win
Post by: 1SE on January 01, 2017, 05:23:19 PM
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Title: Re: Number of games where not having a true 4 cost us a win
Post by: tower912 on January 01, 2017, 05:24:55 PM
I would argue that this is the second time this year that MU's defensive rebounding at crunch time was a contributing factor to the loss.   Pitt was the first.     And I predicted 4, so two to go. 
Title: Re: Number of games where not having a true 4 cost us a win
Post by: brandx on January 01, 2017, 05:27:10 PM
Rebounding was only one facet of meltdown.

Missed dunk and layup in last minute plus 2 turnovers at end were just as lethal.
Title: Re: Number of games where not having a true 4 cost us a win
Post by: 1SE on January 01, 2017, 05:27:40 PM
It will be the difference between dancing and not.

Damn this game would have made the road to the tourney much easier.
Title: Re: Number of games where not having a true 4 cost us a win
Post by: nyg on January 01, 2017, 05:29:58 PM
And it will continue throughout the season. MU has not had a bruiser type in some time and in BE play it is required.  Look at Delgado, he is what 6ft 6, but built like a truck and abused MU. 

Next year will be worse without Fischer, leaving Heldt at center and he won't last a half without fouls.

Recruits John and Eke better get to Burger King every day because next year will be worse, and that's a shame because they have a nucleus with Cheatham, Howard, Hauser, etc. 
Title: Re: Number of games where not having a true 4 cost us a win
Post by: Markusquette on January 01, 2017, 05:34:07 PM
Quote from: nyg on January 01, 2017, 05:29:58 PM
And it will continue throughout the season. MU has not had a bruiser type in some time and in BE play it is required.  Look at Delgado, he is what 6ft 6, but built like a truck and abused MU. 

Next year will be worse without Fischer, leaving Heldt at center and he won't last a half without fouls.

Recruits John and Eke better get to Burger King every day because next year will be worse, and that's a shame because they have a nucleus with Cheatham, Howard, Hauser, etc.

Delgado is listed at 6'10. 

I don't want our recruits eating Burger King.
Title: Re: Number of games where not having a true 4 cost us a win
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 02, 2017, 12:58:43 PM
You can blame Sam for giving up the offensive rebound on the first one--he boxed out but then failed to chase it down when it went off to the side--but the second one isn't on our 4, it was completely on our 3.  Inexplicably*, JJJ shoved the guy Sam was boxing out into Sam and completely took him out of position.  Then, JJJ failed to secure the rebound not once, but twice.


*I say inexplicably, but we've all see JJJ do really, really dumb things too many times to count.
Title: Re: Number of games where not having a true 4 cost us a win
Post by: fjm on January 02, 2017, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: 1SE on January 01, 2017, 05:27:40 PM
It will be the difference between dancing and not.

Damn this game would have made the road to the tourney much easier.

I feel the same. We went from a 10 seed to a 1 NIT seed in that game.

This is a good game. They will hopefully learn from this.

They were down 10 (I think?) at one point and I remember saying "GAME OVER..." and honestly, in the past two years, it would have been game over. They showed heart and fought back.
Title: Re: Number of games where not having a true 4 cost us a win
Post by: 1SE on January 02, 2017, 04:48:35 PM
Quote from: fjm on January 02, 2017, 01:25:00 PM
I feel the same. We went from a 10 seed to a 1 NIT seed in that game.

This is a good game. They will hopefully learn from this.

They were down 10 (I think?) at one point and I remember saying "GAME OVER..." and honestly, in the past two years, it would have been game over. They showed heart and fought back.

Yeah, really with ANY other ending (say eh hit a bunch of ridiculous circus 3s) I would have been very happy. The real test of the pudding will be how we come out of this - if we are respectable @nova and then take SH at home I'll feel like we're really moving in the right direction .

The pessimist in me, however, is concerned that "that game we almost won at SH" becomes the high point of the season. After 3 years of this I'm sick of moral victories. I want some victory victories!
Title: Re: Number of games where not having a true 4 cost us a win
Post by: MuMark on January 03, 2017, 11:45:12 AM
I'm not confident of many things...but I am that Theo John doesn't need to eat Burger King before next season.

Size and strength won't be a problem for him.
Title: Re: Number of games where not having a true 4 cost us a win
Post by: brewcity77 on January 03, 2017, 11:54:27 AM
Quote from: MuMark on January 03, 2017, 11:45:12 AM
I'm not confident of many things...but I am that Theo John doesn't need to eat Burger King before next season.

Size and strength won't be a problem for him.

I don't think any of our recruits need to eat at Burger King. My guess is most Scoopers probably shouldn't be eating at Burger King either (myself included) ;D
Title: Re: Number of games where not having a true 4 cost us a win
Post by: 🏀 on January 03, 2017, 12:27:17 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 03, 2017, 11:54:27 AM
I don't think any of our recruits need to eat at Burger King. My guess is most Scoopers probably shouldn't be eating at Burger King either (myself included) ;D

That new Burger King at Wells and 14th must have Residence Life tripling their toilet paper orders.
Title: Re: Number of games where not having a true 4 cost us a win
Post by: Marcus92 on January 03, 2017, 01:59:16 PM
I'm skeptical of the question raised by the original post.

True, we don't have a dominant defensive rebounder on this team. But even if we could bring in someone else, it would likely mean a reduction in playing time for Sam — someone with an effective field goal percentage of 69%, who's shooting 46% from 3 and has an OTrg of 131.5.

Is an additional rebound or two worth having Sam on the bench?

Granted, it might be ideal to have both — giving Wojo the option to make a defensive substitution when needed. Even so, I believe Sam has the highest DR% on the team.
Title: Re: Number of games where not having a true 4 cost us a win
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 03, 2017, 02:09:31 PM
Quote from: fjm on January 02, 2017, 01:25:00 PM
I feel the same. We went from a 10 seed to a 1 NIT seed in that game.

This is a good game. They will hopefully learn from this.

They were down 10 (I think?) at one point and I remember saying "GAME OVER..." and honestly, in the past two years, it would have been game over. They showed heart and fought back.

I don't remember us being down 10, but I was pretty buzzed. 
Title: Re: Number of games where not having a true 4 cost us a win
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 03, 2017, 02:49:28 PM
Quote from: fjm on January 02, 2017, 01:25:00 PM
I feel the same. We went from a 10 seed to a 1 NIT seed in that game.

This is a good game. They will hopefully learn from this.

They were down 10 (I think?) at one point and I remember saying "GAME OVER..." and honestly, in the past two years, it would have been game over. They showed heart and fought back.

I had that same "game over" feeling and was thrilled we came back. Sucks to lose but was nice to see the comeback especially since the refs were letting a lot go. Treated both teams the same from what I could tell but that type of reffing is not to our advantage.
Title: Re: Number of games where not having a true 4 cost us a win
Post by: BM1090 on January 03, 2017, 03:55:13 PM
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 03, 2017, 02:09:31 PM
I don't remember us being down 10, but I was pretty buzzed.

Not sure if it ever got to 10 but it was at least 8 at one point
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