How bad did he get hurt last night? Any news?
Need him otherwise there are only 8 scholarship players left.
Pulled groin. Tough injury cause it can take awhile to recover from.
At what point do you take off Sacars redshirt?
It depends on how long Wilson will be out and if someone else get's injured. If he is out for a couple weeks, and someone else goes down, I don't think they will have much choice.
Never, you can play with 8 or even 7. So he can play 6 to 7 minutes a game, no way. More importantly, how is playing in practice? Any word.
Probably best ta ax F*ckin' 'bout recovery times. He has a perpetual pulled groin, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 29, 2016, 09:54:54 AM
Probably best ta ax F*ckin' 'bout recovery times. He has a perpetual pulled groin, hey?
Hilarious
Quote from: HoopsterBC on December 29, 2016, 09:47:44 AM
Never, you can play with 8 or even 7. So he can play 6 to 7 minutes a game, no way. More importantly, how is playing in practice? Any word.
Disagree. I would rather have him giving 6-8 high energy minutes than trying to play with 7.
Send Duane to Dr. Vinnie Boombatz.
"You know my doctor, Dr. Vinnie Boombatz... no matter where it hurts ya, he wants to kiss it and make it better! After he checked me for a hernia, I had to change my phone number!"
---Rodney Dangerfield
Not to speculate but Duane wanted to try to 'walk it off'. He remained in uniform after returning from the locker room and seemed to get to each timeout huddle without any issues. Hopefully it responds well to treatment and he becomes a 'day to day' type rather than facing an extended absence.
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2016, 10:04:54 AM
Disagree. I would rather have him giving 6-8 high energy minutes than trying to play with 7.
I guess you did not like watching Al's teams, they barely played 7 much less 8. Time-outs every 4 minutes now, add the team time-outs at there run is very
short. Use the time-outs to rest them, 30 to 40 seconds before the TV time out, gives them 4 to5 minutes to rest. I never wanted to come out of a game and
we played 32 minutes. At that age, who does? Why did Cohen and Traci leave, they want to play.
It is a conundrum. It would be best for Scar to sit the rest of the year. If Duane is out for any length of time, it is better to dress 9 than 8 in the Big East. Too much physicality, too many fouls.
Al retired 40 years ago. The game has changed.
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2016, 10:31:11 AM
It is a conundrum. It would be best for Scar to sit the rest of the year. If Duane is out for any length of time, it is better to dress 9 than 8 in the Big East. Too much physicality, too many fouls.
Al retired 40 years ago. The game has changed.
Yes, it was more physical back then, the game has spread out more now with that 3 point line. Butch Lee never took a shot that was above the key. More time outs,
if you saw the MU game against Minny when they had Brewer, Behagan and others, the game was predicated on D. Much more wide open now.
No shot clock. Able to sit back in a zone or hold the ball to shorten the game. The 3 point shot means you have to defend faster and cover more area. More complicated offenses and defenses. Do you remember Buzz talking about JFB pre- draft and the 6(?) Different ways MU defended the pick and roll? When you watch basketball from readers and earlier, the help defensive rotations are far less sophisticated.
But back to Sacar. From a team standpoint, I would rather dress 8 than 7, or 9 than 8 every single game. Go ahead and disagree.
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2016, 10:57:08 AM
No shot clock. Able to sit back in a zone or hold the ball to shorten the game. The 3 point shot means you have to defend faster and cover more area. More complicated offenses and defenses. Do you remember Buzz talking about JFB pre- draft and the 6(?) Different ways MU defended the pick and roll? When you watch basketball from readers and earlier, the help defensive rotations are far less sophisticated.
But back to Sacar. From a team standpoint, I would rather dress 8 than 7, or 9 than 8 every single game. Go ahead and disagree.
I agree to disagree, both make good points. Sacar, not sure how good he is? A body yes, needs to improve, yes. Red-shirting is trying to improve, it really helped the
Badgers in doing that on many players, hope the same for him. Not playing at all and coming in this late hurt Cadougan a few years ago. Hard to get going. I am sure his family likes the 5 year plan for school alone, grad school maybe. Or just maturing as a person and a player. He has a chance next year to start, either him
or Cain at the 3 next year. Let him sit. I think it comes down to the players choice.
I mean there's no harm in dressing Sacar, right? So long as he doesn't play any minutes even if he dresses he should be able to keep his red shirt.
If worst comes to worst, you'd at least have another body on the bench.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 29, 2016, 11:53:58 AM
I mean there's no harm in dressing Sacar, right? So long as he doesn't play any minutes even if he dresses he should be able to keep his red shirt.
If worst comes to worst, you'd at least have another body on the bench.
Yes but from my understanding he cannot travel on MU's dime.
Bobby Knight recently said that most college basketball players do not get tired during games between all the long timeouts and the numerous other stoppages, and the fact that they are 19-year-old kids.
He said almost every team runs their kids far harder during practices.
Quote from: MU82 on December 29, 2016, 12:28:35 PMHe said almost every team runs their kids far harder during practices.
Wojo has mentioned this, as well. That's the goal — to make practice more demanding physically, so players aren't too fatigued during crunch time of a game.
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2016, 09:39:46 AM
At what point do you take off Sacars redshirt?
Don't burn the redshirt. Call up Blockton or Heideman instead.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 29, 2016, 11:53:58 AM
I mean there's no harm in dressing Sacar, right? So long as he doesn't play any minutes even if he dresses he should be able to keep his red shirt.
If worst comes to worst, you'd at least have another body on the bench.
Does Sacar get to Vote.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on December 29, 2016, 10:46:12 AM
Yes, it was more physical back then, the game has spread out more now with that 3 point line. Butch Lee never took a shot that was above the key. More time outs,
if you saw the MU game against Minny when they had Brewer, Behagan and others, the game was predicated on D. Much more wide open now.
That Minnesota game might have been I best I saw in my four years at MU. I think Gophers had only four field goals in the first half, and three of them were goaltending calls on Chones. 55-40, and it was never that close.
If Sacar wanted to burn his redshirt and start playing, I'd allow it. But I doubt that's the case and if not I don't think it helps us much. Awfully tough to come in at this stage in the season and expect him to make any meaningful contribution, especially since even without Duane our backcourt depth is not horrible. A much tougher call would be if we had a big man redshirting and Fischer went down for the season. Doesn't look like Duane's injury is too serious and if you needed someone to give you some spot minutes here and there I would utilize the walk ons.
Quote from: ecompt on December 29, 2016, 01:16:10 PM
That Minnesota game might have been I best I saw in my four years at MU. I think Gophers had only four field goals in the first half, and three of them were goaltending calls on Chones. 55-40, and it was never that close.
And no one got kicked in the baby maker, ai na?
Quote from: ecompt on December 29, 2016, 01:16:10 PM
That Minnesota game might have been I best I saw in my four years at MU. I think Gophers had only four field goals in the first half, and three of them were goaltending calls on Chones. 55-40, and it was never that close.
I have to agree, and the year they beat Dr. K and Larry Finch with Memphis. Those 2 I remember as the best games in Milwaukee. Also, the Milwaukee Classic with Pistol Pete
and Dave Cowens, was pretty good as well.
Kickin' da Domers on Doc's shot was pretty cool, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 29, 2016, 09:54:54 AM
Probably best ta ax F*ckin' 'bout recovery times. He has a perpetual pulled groin, hey?
pulling da groin muscle could lead to automatic ejec...tion if ya can't walk it off, 'ey?
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2016, 12:18:30 PM
Yes but from my understanding he cannot travel on MU's dime.
Yes he can. He isn't a transfer like Rowsey was last year. He is a member of the team in every manner, but actually doesn't officially redshirt until the season is over and he has played no minutes.
Now MU and Wojo may decide that he shouldn't travel, but that's another issue all together.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on December 29, 2016, 03:22:48 PM
Yes he can. He isn't a transfer like Rowsey was last year. He actually doesn't officially redshirt until the season is over.
That's what I thought, but then Velazquez reported (I think more than once?) that he couldn't. And he was also in a suit last night as opposed to dressed with the rest of the team like I thought most red shirts were.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2016, 03:25:02 PM
That's what I thought, but then Velazquez reported (I think more than once?) that he couldn't. And he was also in a suit last night as opposed to dressed with the rest of the team like I thought most red shirts were.
I think those are Marquette choices versus official NCAA rules.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on December 29, 2016, 10:21:58 AM
I guess you did not like watching Al's teams, they barely played 7 much less 8. Time-outs every 4 minutes now, add the team time-outs at there run is very
short. Use the time-outs to rest them, 30 to 40 seconds before the TV time out, gives them 4 to5 minutes to rest. I never wanted to come out of a game and
we played 32 minutes. At that age, who does? Why did Cohen and Traci leave, they want to play.
think the triangle and two was there when needed to keep them out of foul trouble though :-)
Were there any reports of him graduating on time? I wonder if he's a prime candidate to be a grad transfer?
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on December 29, 2016, 09:11:04 AM
Pulled groin. Tough injury cause it can take awhile to recover from.
Got a special boot for that, Doc?
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on December 29, 2016, 04:17:22 PM
Were there any reports of him graduating on time? I wonder if he's a prime candidate to be a grad transfer?
I heard that he is planning to graduate in 2017, but isn't planning to transfer. He's primed for big playing time as a senior next year, especially with the Carter transfer.
This leg injury has been bothering/nagging for a while.
Just getting to this thread...didn't realize it could be a longer term injury.
Having 8 or 7 or 6 is not just about getting winded...its the fouls...we almost had our two point guards gone with 3min left. Not to mention Fischer having an unusually free game.
After that 5th foul on Rowsey I felt the walls closing in a bit.
If Wilson out for SH, ugh.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on December 29, 2016, 04:24:00 PM
I heard that he is planning to graduate in 2017, but isn't planning to transfer. He's primed for big playing time as a senior next year, especially with the Carter transfer.
With Reinhardt and Johnson graduating and Carter leaving, have to figure Duane will be a strong contender for a starting job as a senior and will be able to contribute minutes at the 1, 2, and 3.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2016, 12:18:30 PM
Yes but from my understanding he cannot travel on MU's dime.
Have we confirmed this? Sacar was at New York for sure and I thought he was at Georgia too. I tried to find a rule about redshirt travel and came up empty.
Jay Bee?
I think he can travel just like any other player. They announce the redshirt so they don't have to answer questions about why a guy isn't playing but the reality is he could suit up and sit on the bench every game and if he was needed they could put him in the game.
Now they won't do that but he is eligible to play at anytime.
I think the guys that have to pay their own way are transfer red shirts like Rowsey last season.
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2016, 09:39:46 AM
At what point do you take off Sacars redshirt?
Never. Half way through a "rebuild" year. Don't waste a year of eligibility for 10 minutes a game.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 29, 2016, 06:32:23 PM
Have we confirmed this? Sacar was at New York for sure and I thought he was at Georgia too. I tried to find a rule about redshirt travel and came up empty.
Jay Bee?
Redshirts are a full member of a team. They only actually redshirt at the end of a year when they officially have played zero minutes.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on December 29, 2016, 06:50:15 PM
Redshirts are a full member of a team. They only actually redshirt at the end of a year when they officially have played zero minutes.
This is what I always thought but I know Velazquez said otherwise in his article about Sacar. I think it was an honest mistake but no one has been able to give me a definitive ruling.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 29, 2016, 11:48:34 PM
This is what I always thought but I know Velazquez said otherwise in his article about Sacar. I think it was an honest mistake but no one has been able to give me a definitive ruling.
I'm pretty sure Velazquez initially misreported that Sacar could not travel, but corrected the mistake in his next article. He is able to travel with the team, I believe.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 29, 2016, 06:32:23 PM
Have we confirmed this? Sacar was at New York for sure and I thought he was at Georgia too. I tried to find a rule about redshirt travel and came up empty.
Jay Bee?
The most reliable way to summon him is to reference someone's shooting ability using raw FG%.
Quote from: THRILLHO on December 30, 2016, 02:33:11 PM
The most reliable way to summon him is to reference someone's shooting ability using raw FG%.
*bows head to chant*
"All free throws matter"
"All free throws matter"
"All free throws matter"
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2016, 10:31:11 AM
It is a conundrum. It would be best for Scar to sit the rest of the year. If Duane is out for any length of time, it is better to dress 9 than 8 in the Big East. Too much physicality, too many fouls.
Al retired 40 years ago. The game has changed.
Yep, no shot clock for one thing.
Quote from: THRILLHO on December 30, 2016, 02:33:11 PM
The most reliable way to summon him is to reference someone's shooting ability using raw FG%.
The best indicator of a player's shooting ability (and especially team shooting ability) isn't raw FG% but rather free throw percentage. Nothing more important than the reliability of hitting a standing set shot. ;D