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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on December 28, 2016, 09:45:07 PM
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1. Duane, hurry back. Looked like a groin.
2. Most consistent defense of the season. Even when Georgetown made their run in the first half, it was because they were making contested shots, not because MU was playing poor defense.
3. A little thing that really impressed me is how hard Sam kept playing even though he couldn't hit a 3. Same with Haanif.
4. JjJ played so well.... and then stood and watched as the play happened on the other end after not getting a call. BTW, he WAS fouled. But still......
5. Did not see the scenario coming where both of the PG's would be in foul trouble. Yes, KR, HC, Duane (when healthy) and JjJ can all start the offense. Bringing it up against pressure, on the other hand........ Rowsey's 5th was sooooooo dumb.
6. Deflections from everyone. Luke tipping out offensive rebounds. THESE are winning plays.
7. Standing around on offense and milking the clock is not a winning play for this team. Ever.
8. If somebody re-watches this game, track how many times the announcers screwed up names. Dreadful
9. Need to finish confidently. Tightened up down the stretch. I'll say it again. Don't stand still, ever.
10. Nice to have good free throw shooting down the stretch.
11. MU was supposed to win this game. MU needed to win this game. MU did what it needed to to win this game. Bravo.
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12. Howard is an MU fans wet dream
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Agree, best defense by far. And Luke tipped it out, what, four times? Nice game from JJJ, but Markus 2 SOTG.
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Great team effort.
HC needs to continue to grow.
JJJ needs to play an entire game.
Love Rowsey--will do something stupid each game but I'll take it.
Love to see Kaitin limit his strong desire to chuck it up.
Frosh were great.
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Great win to start conference play.
I do have a question though. There were two instances on GTown inbounds plays that led to buckets where JJJ didn't put his body between the inbounder on the baseline and the basket. It's happened a number of other times this season as well.
I thought positioning yourself so a pass can't be made directly into the lane is the proper defensive technique. Am I missing something here?
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Good points all. What else stood out to me:
• MU capitalized on 15 Georgetown turnovers and committed just 12 (including the meaningless shot clock violation to end the game). Not a huge difference, but an important one.
• Rowsey had his best game in a Marquette uniform. He and Howard combined for 34 points (including 8-10 shooting from 3), 5 assists and 3 steals. That's a strong combination at the point.
• Fischer played tough down low with a game-high 10 boards.
• Marquette contested nearly every shot, giving Pryor very few good looks. Peak was pretty much a non-factor.
• MU gets the win with Luke and Haanif scoring just 11 points. Lots of scoring options on this team.
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Man, it feels good to win tough Big East games again.
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Oh yeah, I think the subject should have been "Wring out the Hoyas."
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Always spot on Tower.
3 really caught my attention tonight, specifically with Hannif. He really did the small things and kept grinding. When his O hits it is going to be a nice run.
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Last season, if HC had a poor game, there is no way we win a game like this. This year we're getting scoring from all over. Makes it tougher for a team to prepare for us. Much more fun to be a fan this season.
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That Pryor was unbelievable until the last minute. Some of those shots the defender did actually hit his wrist and he still drained it. You can't get any closer.
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Markus Howard is the best frosh since the Amigos.
Howard/Rowsey are the best PG since James. I don't think we will miss Traci much.
Defense much improved. Even the run that the Hoyas went on in the first half was due to good shots, many of which were well defended.
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Oh yeah, I think the subject should have been "Wring out the Hoyas."
Dammit. You win.
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Love to see Kaitin limit his strong desire to chuck it up.
I thought Katin played within himself tonight. He only took 6 shots. One nice spin drive IIRC and a post-up. On at least 2-3 of the others, he got the ball at the very end of the possession and had to put one up — whether it was a good shot or not.
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There is some sort of irony here when JJJ said the GTown players looked like they didnt "want to play defense" some possessions and yet there JJJ was, standing around, on defense. ::)
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Always spot on Tower.
3 really caught my attention tonight, specifically with Hannif. He really did the small things and kept grinding. When his O hits it is going to be a nice run.
Haanif does everything well. He didn't score much but played real good defense and took over at point when Howard and Rowsey were in foul trouble. Glue guy.
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There is some sort of irony here when JJJ said the GTown players looked like they didnt "want to play defense" some possessions and yet there JJJ was, standing around, on defense. ::)
He stood around for exactly one possession. JJJ was great tonight. Don't let that one time taint that.
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Dammit. You win.
Call it an assist. Marquette wins.
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Markus Howard is the best frosh since the Amigos.
Howard/Rowsey are the best PG since James. I don't think we will miss Traci much.
Defense much improved. Even the run that the Hoyas went on in the first half was due to good shots, many of which were well defended.
Henry was pretty good too...
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He stood around for exactly one possession. JJJ was great tonight. Don't let that one time taint that.
I should have used teal, my bad
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Henry was pretty good too...
LOL, I actually forgot about him! OK....second best...for now.
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This is the first W in a long time where we never trailed the entire game. Can't think of the last that happened. We were tied 26 all but we never got behind. A coast to coast victory.
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Henry was pretty good too...
In my opinion Howard is much better then Henry for MU
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Great to win any Big East game (see game before ours).
Starting with defense is a way to win in the Big East. More of this please.
JJ was outstanding. Next step is not to press harder, but be vocal and pull his teammates up.
Being lights out from three and a 97% free throw shooter is a good way for a freshman to have a major role.
Loved the tip out plays by Luke. When you're the tree it's a weak move. When they're bigger than we are and crashing the boards, it's a smart play.
Too many "heads down" plays. Drives without a finish, struggling to beat the press against a slow team.
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In my opinion Howard is much better then Henry for MU
Love Markus, but he has a much deeper and more experienced group around him and isn't being asked to carry the entire team
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Favorite quotes from the Hoya board:
"They recruit basketball players, we recruit athletes"
"Rowsey is exactly the kind of unnatural carnal knowledge that must remind Wojo of himself"
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Just imagine if Pryor were on this squad instead of KR. Damnnnn.
Nice W. Take SHU on the road and I'll get very excited.
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It is only 1. 17 to go. But better to win this one than have to find one to win later.
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It is only 1. 17 to go. But better to win this one than have to find one to win later.
This. 1 down. 8/9 to go.
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Definitely agree especially with 6,7, and 9.
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Good thought on the point guard fouls. Weirdest thing about the game. Waking nightmare at 3min mark with rowsy out, Markus with 4 and thinkin HC at point with his tentative play and GT pressing. Scary.
Hope this is an outlier one-off whatever. Traci was loss.
But they survived.
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Favorite quotes from the Hoya board:
"They recruit basketball players, we recruit athletes"
"Rowsey is exactly the kind of unnatural carnal knowledge that must remind Wojo of himself"
Haha--love it.
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Best game played by MU this year and possibly in the last 3 yrs. D coming around, fewer dumb mistakes, fewer turnovers, lights out shooting, love the steals and hung in there at the end against the press. SH and HC better on D, their offense will be there during the season. It was MH's and JJJ's night. MH has ice water in his views, particularly for a Freshman. Maybe Wojo has some Mojo?
Great to see the progress tonight. Was a fun game to watch
Next up is a tough Hall team. Our bigs need to play tougher and not foul. We have a shot.
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Favorite quotes from the Hoya board:
"They recruit basketball players, we recruit athletes"
I honestly don't know if that is meant as a compliment or insult. Seeing that the basketball players won by 10 points, I assume it's a compliment
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Favorite quotes from the Hoya board:
"They recruit basketball players, we recruit athletes"
"Rowsey is exactly the kind of unnatural carnal knowledge that must remind Wojo of himself"
Apparently it's working.
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Pryor is flat out filthy!!! Guy flat out stroked shot after shot with a man in his face. Hes a pro.
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Pryor is flat out filthy!!! Guy flat out stroked shot after crap with a man in his face. Hes a pro.
Agreed. Generally good D against him, but he got his anyway. Game would not have even been competitive without him.
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I was pleased with Reinhardt tonight. Played within himself, better shot selection. I'm hoping this is the start of him getting on track.
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I am one who rarely complains about the refs, and I thought they generally did just fine tonight. Still, the one missed a blatant double-dribble right in front of him -- every bit as egregious as the NBA one that was missed a few weeks ago. And then GT immediately hit a 3 afterward. Got my blood boiling!
Also, the ref standing right there didn't call the foul on Rowsey's 3-point shot. The ref from all the way under the basket called it ... a couple seconds later. Which of course pissed off the GT folks (even though it was an obvious call).
My other observation is that, wherever he is, MUFINY must be bummed that his 0-18 prediction is now kaput.
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I am one who rarely complains about the refs, and I thought they generally did just fine tonight. Still, the one missed a blatant double-dribble right in front of him -- every bit as egregious as the NBA one that was missed a few weeks ago. And then GT immediately hit a 3 afterward. Got my blood boiling!
Also, the ref standing right there didn't call the foul on Rowsey's 3-point shot. The ref from all the way under the basket called it ... a couple seconds later. Which of course pissed off the GT folks (even though it was an obvious call).
My other observation is that, wherever he is, MUFINY must be bummed that his 0-18 prediction is now kaput.
In the corner for a 30 day timeout ;D
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My favorite moment of the game...JJJ had dunked then steal and streaking for dunk2. And you could see Pryor would have none of it. I was at that basket and you could see it in Pryor's face vectoring in on JJJ...I saw a hard foul coming because JJJ Was on a mission too....then Katin shoulder to shoulder put Pryor off course...clean but aggressive...and JJJ HAD HIS DUNK2 while Pryor could only nudge him after the fact. Pryor was seriously demoralized! Great job JJJ and Katin!!
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Luke, Haani and Sam combined for 16 points on 5-for-19 shooting and Duane got hurt.
Glad nobody would have told me that's what was going to happen, because I would have flown a private jet to Vegas and bet the house on the Hoyas.
Very nice win for our lads. If your shot isn't going down you have to contribute in other ways, and Luke, Haani and Sam did. And as a team, you have to overcome adversity.
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I honestly don't know if that is meant as a compliment or insult. Seeing that the basketball players won by 10 points, I assume it's a compliment
They were criticizing Georgetown's recruiting strategy, emphasizing that focusing on athletes has too many misses (Buzz critiques??). Was a compliment to us, critique of them. Here is context.
"Marquette clearly has better basketball players. That's more important than athleticism."
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Great team win.
All of you had great analysis.
Wins over the Hoyas always feel good.
Let's keep it going Sunday!
I trust the board will have duane updates as we move forward...
I think one of the most impressive things thus far is how he has embraced his role off the bench. I respect him even more for that! (duane)
Great win Warriors!
I hope JJJ's 'lazy' comments in post-game don't get blown up. He was just talking and didn't mean anything by it. But at the same time, I really don't care. Because my dislike for G-Town is deep.
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JT jr jr your seat is getting warm.
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7. Standing around on offense and milking the clock is not a winning play for this team. Ever.
9. Need to finish confidently. Tightened up down the stretch. I'll say it again. Don't stand still, ever.
They shut it down with about 6 minutes to go and started playing against the clock. That was too early. Stay with the offense instead of having to panic when the clock gets down to 5 seconds. That's on Wojo.
Otherwise, a solid home win.
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JT jr jr your seat is getting warm.
Indeed. I was at the game and the consensus around me was that JT3, though down 10, called off the dogs a little early. Don't imagine that sat well over on GUScoop.
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They shut it down with about 6 minutes to go and started playing against the clock. That was too early. Stay with the offense instead of having to panic when the clock gets down to 5 seconds. That's on Wojo.
Otherwise, a solid home win.
My initial thoughts were the same. Too early to play the clock. But in thinking back on it, Georgetown was pressing hard, and both our PGs were in foul trouble. More possessions and we likely are playing without a point.
May have been the best thing to do in this case. Let's hope we don't have PG foul issues again so we don't have to worry about it.
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Markus Howard is the best frosh since the Amigos.
Howard/Rowsey are the best PG since James. I don't think we will miss Traci much.
Defense much improved. Even the run that the Hoyas went on in the first half was due to good shots, many of which were well defended.
Hank was better than Markus is.
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LOL, I actually forgot about him! OK....second best...for now.
Sorry. I should've kept reading.
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I am one who rarely complains about the refs, and I thought they generally did just fine tonight. Still, the one missed a blatant double-dribble right in front of him -- every bit as egregious as the NBA one that was missed a few weeks ago. And then GT immediately hit a 3 afterward. Got my blood boiling!
Also, the ref standing right there didn't call the foul on Rowsey's 3-point shot. The ref from all the way under the basket called it ... a couple seconds later. Which of course pissed off the GT folks (even though it was an obvious call).
My other observation is that, wherever he is, MUFINY must be bummed that his 0-18 prediction is now kaput.
Some of those defensive calls around the basket were piss poor.
Also, hey, the BC is showing replays again!
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My favorite moment of the game...JJJ had dunked then steal and streaking for dunk2. And you could see Pryor would have none of it. I was at that basket and you could see it in Pryor's face vectoring in on JJJ...I saw a hard foul coming because JJJ Was on a mission too....then Katin shoulder to shoulder put Pryor off course...clean but aggressive...and JJJ HAD HIS DUNK2 while Pryor could only nudge him after the fact. Pryor was seriously demoralized! Great job JJJ and Katin!!
That was Haanif. He was running down the middle of the court and *just happened* to get in the way of the pursuing Pryor, who saw Haanif and gave him a shoulder nudge. When GT immediately took the TO, Haanif ran over to JJ, while Pryor *conveniently* happened to be right in his path to JJ and Haanif started yelling right in front of Pryor. Good stuff.
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Everyone contributed something meaningful tonight. Great team effort. Great team defense. The picked defender was quicker to recover to the ball handler, and the picker defender was quicker to recover to that picker when the ball handling defender recovered to his man. Most of the shots they made were well defended, tough shots. Props to Pryor for hitting them.
Howard is a stud. We can really shoot the ball as a team.
Great game by JJJ.
That pass to Luke by Rowsey off of the dribble drive was outstanding.
Love that when one or two guys we're used to having big contributions offensively are off, we may not lose the game.
Liked going to Matt early even though Luke wasn't in foul trouble. Seemed like Wojo was going to Matt the whistle before media timeouts, probably partially to save Luke some foul trouble and probably also to give Luke an extra minute of a breather while only being on the bench for 30 seconds of game time. Also think the matchup helped make this work, as throwing the ball into Luke and letting him go straight post wasn't going to work against Georgetown's size down low, and the difference between Matt and Luke defensively isn't great.
Having said all that, an under the radar great game by Luke. Great defense and rebounding.
I wish one of Howard or Rowsey was about 5 inches taller. Maybe Howard will hit that growth spurt here any day...
Big win, biggest game of the year this weekend.
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My favorite play of the night was a JJJ dunk in the first half off a curl. It got the crowd going, but it was my favorite because of the pass. Markus put that in the perfect spot for an easy basket. His shooting was great, but he has some very good PG skills.
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I liked the way Hauser played tonight. Even though his shot was not falling, his defense and rebounding were key. He kept playing hard and didn't let his struggles on the offensive end carry over.
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Really encouraging - now the trick is to keep it up game in and game out
MH unbelievable - 23 pts on 10 shots (8 less The Pryor) - great efficiency - I think there could be a strong case by the end of he year he is better CBB frosh than Hank.
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Great team win.
All of you had great analysis.
Wins over the Hoyas always feel good.
Let's keep it going Sunday!
I trust the board will have duane updates as we move forward...
I think one of the most impressive things thus far is how he has embraced his role off the bench. I respect him even more for that! (duane)
Great win Warriors!
I hope JJJ's 'lazy' comments in post-game don't get blown up. He was just talking and didn't mean anything by it. But at the same time, I really don't care. Because my dislike for G-Town is deep.
I'll be at the Rock to cheer them on. Any other east coast warriors going to the game?
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I'll be at the Rock to cheer them on. Any other east coast warriors going to the game?
Maybe. My Seton Hall friends will be visiting my house on Friday and we will discuss.
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Great team win.
All of you had great analysis.
Wins over the Hoyas always feel good.
Let's keep it going Sunday!
I trust the board will have duane updates as we move forward...
I think one of the most impressive things thus far is how he has embraced his role off the bench. I respect him even more for that! (duane)
Great win Warriors!
I hope JJJ's 'lazy' comments in post-game don't get blown up. He was just talking and didn't mean anything by it. But at the same time, I really don't care. Because my dislike for G-Town is deep.
The "lazy" comments were all over twitter last night. And #mubball was actually trending for a little bit.
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One thing I liked, especially after GT came back from 16-2 down to tie the game (at 26 I believe) was that we always answered the bell. Every time they would make a run to get back in it, we would shut it down before it got out of control and answer by stretching the lead back out. At no point last night did it seem like Georgetown was the better team. That was a good feeling.
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I hope JJJ's 'lazy' comments in post-game don't get blown up. He was just talking and didn't mean anything by it. But at the same time, I really don't care. Because my dislike for G-Town is deep.
I hope it does and he backs it up in DC. Would like to see JJJ playing a little nasty from here on out.
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JjJ probably could have been a little less blunt on his "lazy" comment, but then again... some fairly simple curls were just money. Looked too easy much of the time. He saw something and made em pay
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Incredible picky nitpick here ...
I am thrilled that Markus made those early 3-pointers, helped set the tone of the game. But had he missed them, I would have said: "Man, those were awfully early in the shot clock and came before we passed the ball at all."
In general, I love our 3s that come on ball movement and in transition, and I hate our 3s that come on one or fewer passes.
They did work out for Markus in this game, so all's good.
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I thought Katin played within himself tonight. He only took 6 shots. One nice spin drive IIRC and a post-up. On at least 2-3 of the others, he got the ball at the very end of the possession and had to put one up — whether it was a good shot or not.
And he made the good moves. He was sort of the "zone breaker" by getting in position at the FT line when Gtown played the zone stretch. It was nice to see.
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Love that play against a zone. In a modern zone, the top players are soooooo high, out above the 3 pt line. The foul line is wide open. Having Katin flash to that spot, turn and hit kills the zone. IIRC, Buzz had Wes do something similar against the zone. Sam is going to be deadly at that in another year.
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Incredible picky nitpick here ...
I am thrilled that Markus made those early 3-pointers, helped set the tone of the game. But had he missed them, I would have said: "Man, those were awfully early in the shot clock and came before we passed the ball at all."
In general, I love our 3s that come on ball movement and in transition, and I hate our 3s that come on one or fewer passes.
They did work out for Markus in this game, so all's good.
If it is a shot within the player's range and within the flow of the offense, that's all a coach is going to be concerned about at that point in the game.
Let's not get wrapped up in the Bo-ification of basketball where you need to have a certain number of passes or work the shot clock. This team plays better the more possessions it has.
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Love that play against a zone. In a modern zone, the top players are soooooo high, out above the 3 pt line. The foul line is wide open. Having Katin flash to that spot, turn and hit kills the zone. IIRC, Buzz had Wes do something similar against the zone. Sam is going to be deadly at that in another year.
I started referring to it as the "Lazar Hayward," then the "Jimmy Butler," then the "Jae Crowder" spot in the zone. We've had a few guys exploit zones that way. If you have one guy flashing to that spot that can hit the aprx foul line jumper + some shooters on the wing to give him a pass option, we are dangerous against a zone.
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Getting a decent sized shooter to the foul line area against the zone, particularly if they are also versatile enough to make plays off the dribble and pass effectively kills the zone. All of the aforementioned fit that category.
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That was Haanif. He was running down the middle of the court and *just happened* to get in the way of the pursuing Pryor, who saw Haanif and gave him a shoulder nudge. When GT immediately took the TO, Haanif ran over to JJ, while Pryor *conveniently* happened to be right in his path to JJ and Haanif started yelling right in front of Pryor. Good stuff.
Thanks for Sharing, these are very important things that you can't find in the stats.
Only in the eye of the beholders.
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I was pleased with Reinhardt tonight. Played within himself, better shot selection. I'm hoping this is the start of him getting on track.
I agree with you, but man this is so disappointing. What a difference a capable Reinhardt could make for this team.
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Haanif does everything well. He didn't score much but played real good defense and took over at point when Howard and Rowsey were in foul trouble. Glue guy.
35 min
1-6 FG
0-2 3pts
3 Rebs
3 points
4 assts
1 steal
2 TOs.
HC did play decent D last night, however that jump pass to no one continues to be an issue. He is having trouble getting the ball over the rim, unlike last year. If HC has to play point for an extended period of time, MU will be survival/maintain mode.
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http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/29947/most-hated-opponents-201602917
Apparently the Hoya fans don't like Wojo. ;D
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If it is a shot within the player's range and within the flow of the offense, that's all a coach is going to be concerned about at that point in the game.
Just read Matt V's recap http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2016/12/28/mu-76-georgetown-66-johnson-howard-lead-way/95910488/ (http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2016/12/28/mu-76-georgetown-66-johnson-howard-lead-way/95910488/) and Wojo specifically commented on this. Howard pulled up and shot in the middle of a called play - Wojo: "it was one of those 'uhhh, good shot'. He was terrific".
The other thing that jumped out to me from his write up was the D - G'towns second half field goal % was 37.8 and Wojo's comment that our D was not affected when we hit some rough spots on the offensive end. One game does not a pattern make but I'll take it as a great sign of improvement.
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Lots of good stuff going on last night. My only criticism is that the defense needs to keep improving, Although I thought it was better, I thought that Luke was a little slow getting back off the high double team. Just looked like he out there figuring out where to be next. I think they have and will continue to improve on D. Feeling optimistic but I want to keep that in check, I felt this way before the Michigan game. Go Warriors, Ring Out Ahoya Sunday!
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http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/29947/most-hated-opponents-201602917
Apparently the Hoya fans don't like Wojo. ;D
Wojo was annoying as a player, but he doesn't seem particularly annoying as a coach.
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Wojo was annoying as a player, but he doesn't seem particularly annoying as a coach.
A coach becomes annoying when the opposition fanbase considers his team to be better then their outfit.
I can only wish the crew from CU, Butler, and Hall find Wojo annoying in 2017.
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http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/29947/most-hated-opponents-201602917
Apparently the Hoya fans don't like Wojo. ;D
I'd think that Hoya fans' unanimous pick for most hated coach would be JTIII...
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http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/29947/most-hated-opponents-201602917
Apparently the Hoya fans don't like Wojo. ;D
Based on 2 posts? I bet you could find two people among Wojo's extended family who don't like him.
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Wojo was annoying as a player, but he doesn't seem particularly annoying as a coach.
Haven't you seen his timeout huddles?!
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35 min
1-6 FG
0-2 3pts
3 Rebs
3 points
4 assts
1 steal
2 TOs.
HC did play decent D last night, however that jump pass to no one continues to be an issue. He is having trouble getting the ball over the rim, unlike last year. If HC has to play point for an extended period of time, MU will be survival/maintain mode.
What's impossible to measure is the impact of Haanif's aggressiveness driving to the lane. I know that's something Wojo preaches.
Basketball favors the offense. If a quicker, more athletic player like Haanif takes it right at bigger, slower defenders, there's a good chance that he'll find an opening for a layup, draw a foul or be able to pass to an open teammate on a dish. And if those defenders have to stay close to the lane to guard against drives, it creates more open shots on the perimeter.
Haney may not have finished for himself on a lot of his drives last night. But his 4 assists (second most in the game for either team) led directly to at least 8 Marquette points — suggesting he found ways to contribute.
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Based on 2 posts? I bet you could find two people among Wojo's extended family who don't like him.
2 out of 2. One saying it's a Vikings-esque consensus.
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Jay Bee, you are correct with respect to the TO huddles. Clearly, obviously, the turning point of the game occurred when Woj told them not to get dismayed. That had to be the first and only time dismayed was ever used in a hoops huddle.
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Great win to start conference play.
I do have a question though. There were two instances on GTown inbounds plays that led to buckets where JJJ didn't put his body between the inbounder on the baseline and the basket. It's happened a number of other times this season as well.
I thought positioning yourself so a pass can't be made directly into the lane is the proper defensive technique. Am I missing something here?
Hate to quote myself but no one else has noticed this?
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Hate to quote myself but no one else has noticed this?
I didn't notice it during the game. I'll probably watch it again on replay and look for that.
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I am excited that Marquette won but I am tempering that excitement with how bad Georgetown is. Georgetown didn't play with much flow, played more iso, played limited defense and took some bad shots. It will be interesting to see how they play on their court.
1. Pryor had some good shots but then would take a very bad shot. Hitting the side of the backboard from the corner. He did a good amount of chucking
2. Govan, though active, doesn't have control of his body yet. He was missing bunnies and he also hasn't figured out the double team. When he does he could be another player for Georgetown
3. LJ Peak was way off. He looked like he was mentally blocked. 1-8 from the field. Not good.
4. It didn't look like Georgetown wanted to play defense. JJJ ran the same curl repeatedly and got his point total up.
5. I am hoping JJJ develops a few more moves. I thought he played well but his points came from defense as well as the curl. The good teams aren't going to make as many bad passes. In addition, they will stop his curl. Anyone with an athletic center will block his shot on the way to the basket. He gets out of control near the hoop.
6. Howard had a lights out game. We need that to continue. 5-6 is amazing but he is going to revert to the mean so hopefully he doesn't fall in love with the three.
7. Georgetown helped to hide some of our lulls. They also helped with ending their own momentum
8. I think MU started to play better defense and for longer periods. Hopefully that carries through.
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I am excited that Marquette won but I am tempering that excitement with how bad Georgetown is. Georgetown didn't play with much flow, played more iso, played limited defense and took some bad shots. It will be interesting to see how they play on their court.
1. Pryor had some good shots but then would take a very bad shot. Hitting the side of the backboard from the corner. He did a good amount of chucking
2. Govan, though active, doesn't have control of his body yet. He was missing bunnies and he also hasn't figured out the double team. When he does he could be another player for Georgetown
3. LJ Peak was way off. He looked like he was mentally blocked. 1-8 from the field. Not good.
4. It didn't look like Georgetown wanted to play defense. JJJ ran the same curl repeatedly and got his point total up.
5. I am hoping JJJ develops a few more moves. I thought he played well but his points came from defense as well as the curl. The good teams aren't going to make as many bad passes. In addition, they will stop his curl. Anyone with an athletic center will block his shot on the way to the basket. He gets out of control near the hoop.
6. Howard had a lights out game. We need that to continue. 5-6 is amazing but he is going to revert to the mean so hopefully he doesn't fall in love with the three.
7. Georgetown helped to hide some of our lulls. They also helped with ending their own momentum
8. I think MU started to play better defense and for longer periods. Hopefully that carries through.
Agree but if GTown is that bad and DPU and SJU are even worse then that's 6 wins and we're over halfway to dancing in March
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Agree but if GTown is that bad and DPU and SJU are even worse then that's 6 wins and we're over halfway to dancing in March
Exactly right. We don't need to be the best team in the league, we just need to be better than 4 other teams to be assured a spot in the Big Dance. Top-6 in the league with 10+ wins will have us in good position.
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Sweep Georgetown, SJU, DePaul and Providence and you are at 8 wins. Need to go 2-8 or better against Villanova, Creighton, Butler, and Xavier and Seton Hall.
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What's impossible to measure is the impact of Haanif's aggressiveness driving to the lane. I know that's something Wojo preaches.
Basketball favors the offense. If a quicker, more athletic player like Haanif takes it right at bigger, slower defenders, there's a good chance that he'll find an opening for a layup, draw a foul or be able to pass to an open teammate on a dish. And if those defenders have to stay close to the lane to guard against drives, it creates more open shots on the perimeter.
Haney may not have finished for himself on a lot of his drives last night. But his 4 assists (second most in the game for either team) led directly to at least 8 Marquette points — suggesting he found ways to contribute.
Yes, he certainly can contribute and did last night. However, when HC drives to the lane and loses the ball....That's a measurable turnover and when he drives to the lane and gets it blocked....that too is measureable. Measureable in the same way an assist is.
I hope HC turns it around and continues to do the little things needed to help the team.
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3. LJ Peak was way off. He looked like he was mentally blocked. 1-8 from the field. Not good.
Pretty sure he was playing hurt. He went off to the locker room for awhile, and I noticed later that his thigh was wrapped pretty good, so much so that his shorts were riding up on that leg when he was on the sidelines.
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Pretty sure he was playing hurt. He went off to the locker room for awhile, and I noticed later that his thigh was wrapped pretty good, so much so that his shorts were riding up on that leg when he was on the sidelines.
Nice to know the exact time a thread goes off the rails.
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Hate to quote myself but no one else has noticed this?
I listened to the game on the radio due to some travel -- I believe MAC and homer pointed this out as well. There was exasperation and the comment was something to the effect of "that's something you learn in the 5th grade"
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Hate to quote myself but no one else has noticed this?
Yes I noticed it. I actually called my wife in from the kitchen, rewinded 20 secs and showed her. She says that look likes what happens to your team. (4th grade girls).
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Agree but if GTown is that bad and DPU and SJU are even worse then that's 6 wins and we're over halfway to dancing in March
You are assuming that we sweep and not lose 1 unexpected one. Marquette need to get to 10 if not 11 wins in conference and minimally be Top 6 in the Big East. Outside of that, they are going to be NIT. The Big East doesn't have the audience draw to get more than 6 no matter how good they were out of conference and I think Top 5 might even be the cut line.
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Yes, he certainly can contribute and did last night. However, when HC drives to the lane and loses the ball....That's a measurable turnover and when he drives to the lane and gets it blocked....that too is measureable. Measureable in the same way an assist is.
I hope HC turns it around and continues to do the little things needed to help the team.
All good points. This looks more like an off game to me — which happens to everyone. Haanif has the second-lowest turnover rate on the team this season and has been efficient on offense overall.
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You are assuming that we sweep and not lose 1 unexpected one. Marquette need to get to 10 if not 11 wins in conference and minimally be Top 6 in the Big East. Outside of that, they are going to be NIT. The Big East doesn't have the audience draw to get more than 6 no matter how good they were out of conference and I think Top 5 might even be the cut line.
Nah. We got 6 from this league two years ago and the league is significantly better this year.
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You are assuming that we sweep and not lose 1 unexpected one. Marquette need to get to 10 if not 11 wins in conference and minimally be Top 6 in the Big East. Outside of that, they are going to be NIT. The Big East doesn't have the audience draw to get more than 6 no matter how good they were out of conference and I think Top 5 might even be the cut line.
They may not get more than 6, but it will have nothing to do with the draw of their audience.
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You are assuming that we sweep and not lose 1 unexpected one.
Right now KenPom predicts we'll finish 19-11, 10-8 in conference (5th in the Big East). That should be a tournament-worthy resume.
You're right — even sweeping DePaul and St. John's is not automatic. But we've only lost to one team ranked below us so far: Pittsburgh. And they're a lot better than either the Blue Demons or the Johnnies. I think 4-0 is the expectation. With the win against Georgetown, we're up to 5.
We're strongly favored at home against Providence (76% win probability) and Seton Hall (71%). Two wins is a pretty solid bet. If so, we're up to 7.
That's where things start to get dicey.
Four of our games are pick 'em propositions — as evenly matched as you can get. That includes home against Creighton (51%), Xavier (50%) and Butler (50%), and on the road against Providence (51%). Winning 1, 2 or 3 of those shouldn't surprise anyone. These are the games that could turn our season. Let's say we go 2-2 and we have 9 wins. Just need one more.
Two more games are almost as close: at Seton Hall (44%) and at Georgetown (45%). The rest, we're significant underdogs: at home against Nova (33%), and on the road against Creighton (26%), Xavier (25%), Butler (25%) and Nova (13%). If the odds are right, we should take at least one of those 7 games to get to 10 wins — possibly even 2 or 3, which would protect against an unexpected loss.
But if we lose one of our strongly favored matchups, or don't win our share of the pick 'em games, we could be in trouble. Let's see how we look facing Seton Hall twice in the next 2 weeks.
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If KenPom's odds are correct, we should have roughly a 93% chance of winning at least 1 of our 7 toughest games (home against Nova, @ Nova/Butler/Xavier/Creighton/Seton Hall/Georgetown).
Calculating the odds of winning 2 or more of those is beyond my meager skill with probabilities.
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I listened to the game on the radio due to some travel -- I believe MAC and homer pointed this out as well. There was exasperation and the comment was something to the effect of "that's something you learn in the 5th grade"
Yes I noticed it. I actually called my wife in from the kitchen, rewinded 20 secs and showed her. She says that look likes what happens to your team. (4th grade girls).
Glad it wasn't just me. Hopefully it gets corrected during film session. It just stood out to me as this wasn't the first game it happened. Would hate for that to bite us in a closer game down the road.
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Incredible picky nitpick here ...
I am thrilled that Markus made those early 3-pointers, helped set the tone of the game. But had he missed them, I would have said: "Man, those were awfully early in the shot clock and came before we passed the ball at all."
In general, I love our 3s that come on ball movement and in transition, and I hate our 3s that come on one or fewer passes.
They did work out for Markus in this game, so all's good.
After watching Markus play for 12 games now I'm pretty ok with him taking any open 3 point shot unless he has missed 3 or 4 in a row......and I doubt that has ever happened....
I mean he is shooting 54% from 3....that is pretty effective offense.
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That was Haanif. He was running down the middle of the court and *just happened* to get in the way of the pursuing Pryor, who saw Haanif and gave him a shoulder nudge. When GT immediately took the TO, Haanif ran over to JJ, while Pryor *conveniently* happened to be right in his path to JJ and Haanif started yelling right in front of Pryor. Good stuff.
My mistake, memory issues...Hanif. But he did play a role in blocking pryors path and with intention...and clean. Pryor was frustrated for sure.
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After watching Markus play for 12 games now I'm pretty ok with him taking any open 3 point shot unless he has missed 3 or 4 in a row......and I doubt that has ever happened....
I mean he is shooting 54% from 3....that is pretty effective offense.
Agreed. I'm happy to admit that Markus and Sam have already far exceeded my rather modest preseason expectations for them.
It's still early. But Sam is arguably having a bigger impact in his first year with MU than either Lazar Hayward or Jimmy Butler. Markus has a chance to break Steve Novak's freshman record for 3-point FG percentage (50.5%) and Travis Diener's freshman record for 3-pointers made (57). He should shatter Damon Key's freshman record for FT% (81.6%). Both are strong contenders for the Big East all-freshman team.
Either one has the green light in my book. We could be seeing two stars in the making.
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Right now KenPom predicts we'll finish 19-11, 10-8 in conference (5th in the Big East). That should be a tournament-worthy resume.
You're right — even sweeping DePaul and St. John's is not automatic. But we've only lost to one team ranked below us so far: Pittsburgh. And they're a lot better than either the Blue Demons or the Johnnies. I think 4-0 is the expectation. With the win against Georgetown, we're up to 5.
We're strongly favored at home against Providence (76% win probability) and Seton Hall (71%). Two wins is a pretty solid bet. If so, we're up to 7.
That's where things start to get dicey.
Four of our games are pick 'em propositions — as evenly matched as you can get. That includes home against Creighton (51%), Xavier (50%) and Butler (50%), and on the road against Providence (51%). Winning 1, 2 or 3 of those shouldn't surprise anyone. These are the games that could turn our season. Let's say we go 2-2 and we have 9 wins. Just need one more.
Two more games are almost as close: at Seton Hall (44%) and at Georgetown (45%). The rest, we're significant underdogs: at home against Nova (33%), and on the road against Creighton (26%), Xavier (25%), Butler (25%) and Nova (13%). If the odds are right, we should take at least one of those 7 games to get to 10 wins — possibly even 2 or 3, which would protect against an unexpected loss.
But if we lose one of our strongly favored matchups, or don't win our share of the pick 'em games, we could be in trouble. Let's see how we look facing Seton Hall twice in the next 2 weeks.
Yes with 17 games left there is a path. As I said, MU needs to minimally win 10 and MU needs to have a couple of good wins. Right now, MU is in the Last 4 In being forecasted as the 6th BE team. The Last 4 In prior to the automatic bids is really the last 4 out so I wouldn't consider them a lock by any stretch. Based on this the cut line is around 5/6.
That St John's team that is "horrible" destroyed Cuse and just beat Butler. To mark them as a sweep is dicey. I think Xavier, Creighton and Nova are a different class of the league. Butler and SH are the next two. If MU isn't Top 6 then we are out.
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Yes with 17 games left there is a path. As I said, MU needs to minimally win 10 and MU needs to have a couple of good wins. Right now, MU is in the Last 4 In being forecasted as the 6th BE team. The Last 4 In prior to the automatic bids is really the last 4 out so I wouldn't consider them a lock by any stretch. Based on this the cut line is around 5/6.
That St John's team that is "horrible" destroyed Cuse and just beat Butler. To mark them as a sweep is dicey. I think Xavier, Creighton and Nova are a different class of the league. Butler and SH are the next two. If MU isn't Top 6 then we are out.
I agree with pretty much everything you said here, but Syracuse sucks at this point.
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St John's is a bad team and extremely young, but they can shoot & score at times. If they shoot 67.6% 2FG% against us like they did Butler, there could be a problem.
Butler has struggled this year with 2FG% def
When St John's shoots 52.6% or better eFG%, they win. 7-0
When they shooter 50.9% or lower, they lose. 0-7
eFG% reigns supreme. So, a young team with guys that can shoot well at times are dangerous & almost always have a chance.
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Markus has a chance to break Steve Novak's freshman record for 3-point FG percentage (50.5%) and Travis Diener's freshman record for 3-pointers made (57).
Sam and Markus could both pass Diener. I believe Sam has the early lead. Sam would need to heat back up to make a run at Novak's 50.5% record.
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After watching Markus play for 12 games now I'm pretty ok with him taking any open 3 point shot unless he has missed 3 or 4 in a row......and I doubt that has ever happened....
I mean he is shooting 54% from 3....that is pretty effective offense.
The entire point of running an offense is to get good shots. Wide open 3s by Markus (or Sam) are good shots - whether it is 5 seconds or 28 seconds into the shot clock.