For a more complete list:
http://www.ranker.com/list/famous-southern-illinois-university-edwardsville-alumni-and-students/reference
Is Ed Hightower reffing the game tonight?
We ought to be playing Carbondale... period!
Jon Harris does not coach them
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 21, 2016, 10:48:06 AM
We ought to be playing Carbondale... period!
Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on December 21, 2016, 10:49:06 AM
Jon Harris does not coach them
This.
And the Missouri Valley traditionally doesn't do buy games. You need to give them a game in return.
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 21, 2016, 10:48:06 AM
We ought to be playing Carbondale... period!
If MU's season goes as projected, the team's RPI will be 88 heading into the BET.
If MU's season goes as projected, but MU beat SIU instead of SIUE, the team's RPI will be 85 heading into the BET.
IOW, it wouldn't really make a difference.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 21, 2016, 10:56:09 AM
This.
And the Missouri Valley traditionally doesn't do buy games. You need to give them a game in return.
Fine, then go to Carbondale. Easy trip and a good first road test.
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 21, 2016, 02:48:23 PM
Fine, then go to Carbondale. Easy trip and a good first road test.
But then all the STHs would be bethcing about how there's less home games but their tickets cost the same....or we wouldn't schedule a game like @UGA and all the scoopers would be betching about how we don't play quality teams in the non-conference. Plus the athletic department would be betching because we wouldn't be making as much money.
Its a damned if you do, damned if you don't!
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 21, 2016, 02:48:23 PM
Fine, then go to Carbondale. Easy trip and a good first road test.
Better road test than at Georgia? Or at Wisconsin next season?
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 21, 2016, 02:48:23 PM
Fine, then go to Carbondale. Easy trip and a good first road test.
Got it, you wish we were playing SIU-Carbondale so you'd have a fun moment playing the school your kids go to. We've noted your axe is well-ground, now any thoughts about the actual opponent we're playing? Perhaps, in this thread, some famous alumni you would like to share?
Roger Boyd, founding member of Head East
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Lol. Only Scoop complains about what Southern Illinois we should be playing. And yes I realize that was five years ago.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 08, 2021, 03:23:50 PM
Lol. Only Scoop complains about what Southern Illinois we should be playing. And yes I realize that was five years ago.
Ridiculous take them ridiculous take now. He just wanted a family connection game.
Saluk-a-looping
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 08, 2021, 03:26:31 PM
Ridiculous take them ridiculous take now. He just wanted a family connection game.
Full disclosure, yes, my children both were graduated from SIU Carbondale.
That said, not withstanding some of these nonsense metrics, we're better off playing a home and home against a mid-major than we are against someone no one outside the St. Louis metro area has ever heard of. I want a game that's meaningful.
Big schools play big schools. Or at least mid-majors. Little schools play little schools.
Let's put the big boy pants on and play a mid-major.
Every high major team plays tune up games against much lesser competition.
Every one.
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 08, 2021, 04:09:16 PM
Full disclosure, yes, my children both were graduated from SIU Carbondale.
That said, not withstanding some of these nonsense metrics, we're better off playing a home and home against a mid-major than we are against someone no one outside the St. Louis metro area has ever heard of. I want a game that's meaningful.
Big schools play big schools. Or at least mid-majors. Little schools play little schools.
Let's put the big boy pants on and play a mid-major.
Marquette plays 2 Big 10 teams, a Big 12 team, and UCLA out of conference. Plus an SEC school and potentially another B12 school in Charleston. Thats already 4 good games on Away or Neutral courts. They play 2 true cupcakes in SIUE and Jackson St, a MAC school who unfortunately stinks, and an America East school. Its not like its a schedule bloated with nobodies. Playing a Northern Iowa or Indiana St or whatnot isn't gonna move the needle come March, and its not gonna bring national attention. Then next year you give up a home game for another relatively meaningless game with potential for a road loss. Marquette has recently traded those sort of home and homes for early season tournaments, which I'm all for.
Plus Wags, since Dgies first wrote this, MU is playing 20 conference games.
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 08, 2021, 04:09:16 PM
Full disclosure, yes, my children both were graduated from SIU Carbondale.
That said, not withstanding some of these nonsense metrics, we're better off playing a home and home against a mid-major than we are against someone no one outside the St. Louis metro area has ever heard of. I want a game that's meaningful.
Big schools play big schools. Or at least mid-majors. Little schools play little schools.
Let's put the big boy pants on and play a mid-major.
So the only sensical metric is if the St. Louis metro has heard of the school?
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 08, 2021, 06:55:07 PM
So the only sensical metric is if the St. Louis metro has heard of the school?
So SLU is out
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 08, 2021, 06:55:07 PM
So the only sensical metric is if the St. Louis metro has heard of the school?
Archman is in the Green Room warming up if needed.
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 08, 2021, 04:09:16 PM
That said, not withstanding some of these nonsense metrics, we're better off playing a home and home against a mid-major than we are against someone no one outside the St. Louis metro area has ever heard of. I want a game that's meaningful.
Marquette has plenty of meaningful games ahead. If you don't want to watch tomorrow, then don't. But playing Carbondale in Carbondale is a really, really dumb idea.
Brother Fluff:
I'll leave it at this:
1) I know every university known to man/woman schedules games like SIU-E. Heck, we once scheduled St. Thomas when I was in college. The question wasn't if we were going to win, it's how much will we win by?
2) Yes, we have meaningful games on our schedule. More this year than most and I applaud our athletic program for getting these and making our schedule tough.
3) You don't get a true test of your team by playing Jackson State, SIU-E, any UW school without the word "Madison" in it, Northern Illinois etc. It also doesn't do much for enthusiasm among your fan base to be scheduling these teams -- as you know this means nothing when Villanova or UW-Tech School comes a calling.
4) OK, maybe SIU Carbondale isn't the right mid-major. Maybe it's Dayton, Loyola, Detroit, Belmont etc. I'd of added Butler and DePaul but they're in our conference. Play someone where you're likely to win but it's no guarantee, unlike SIU-E. Yeah, we may have to play at UD Arena, but that's a good warm-up for the Dayton Invitation Tournament, aka the First Four.
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 09, 2021, 12:14:32 PM
Brother Fluff:
I'll leave it at this:
1) I know every university known to man/woman schedules games like SIU-E. Heck, we once scheduled St. Thomas when I was in college. The question wasn't if we were going to win, it's how much will we win by?
2) Yes, we have meaningful games on our schedule. More this year than most and I applaud our athletic program for getting these and making our schedule tough.
3) You don't get a true test of your team by playing Jackson State, SIU-E, any UW school without the word "Madison" in it, Northern Illinois etc. It also doesn't do much for enthusiasm among your fan base to be scheduling these teams -- as you know this means nothing when Villanova or UW-Tech School comes a calling.
4) OK, maybe SIU Carbondale isn't the right mid-major. Maybe it's Dayton, Loyola, Detroit, Belmont etc. I'd of added Butler and DePaul but they're in our conference. Play someone where you're likely to win but it's no guarantee, unlike SIU-E. Yeah, we may have to play at UD Arena, but that's a good warm-up for the Dayton Invitation Tournament, aka the First Four.
When you or your kids played HS sports was every game played always the hardest test? If it was then i call BS every program at every level of competitive sport has games they schedule to run different looks, get confidence for the young guys, and essentially have a competitive practice.
gold medalist boxers don't start out against world champions, teams still schedule the Detroit lions, duke still plays the likes of Lafayette, USA basketball still plays random countries they'll blow out by 60+, the list goes on.
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 09, 2021, 12:14:32 PM
Brother Fluff:
I'll leave it at this:
I don't think you understand the goals of non-conference scheduling. Here's the reality:
1. You schedule guarantee games because you need them to bolster your record if you want any chance of postseason play. If you go 9-11 in Big East play, having 4 buy game wins helps offset that significantly.
2. The reason these are guarantee games is because they are guaranteed money. This is selling tickets without giving up a return date. Marquette sells their season ticket packages based on being able to provide 16-20 home dates. If you take the four guarantee games and turn them all into home-and-homes, you are giving up two of those games and suddenly you have a package that is 14-18 games. Fans aren't paying these prices for 14 dates.
3. It's not just about testing your team but preparing your team for different styles. How does the system work against schools that will slow you down like SIUE? Maybe that helps you prepare for UW or 'Nova. How does the system work against teams that pushed the offensive pace and force turnovers like Jackson State? That might prepare you better for St. John's. Playing games you know you will win can still better prepare you for the kinds of teams you will face later if you are strategic about the styles you play against.
4. Home-and-homes should be geared toward filling the Fiserv. You are giving up the guaranteed revenue of a home date, so you need to make sure you maximize profit for those games. That means schools like UCLA, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, and other high-majors. We aren't packing the arena for Dayton or Detroit. That is just leaving money on the table.
5. I would be the first to suggest lining up four different schools for three-for-one offers. Maybe call Wright State, Marshall, Buffalo, and Belmont. Bring three in for home games every year, travel to one. You set yourself up for higher quality yet still winnable home games while risking yourself only once against a top-150ish opponent. But recognize that brings a real risk of losing, and losing one of those games will be a big negative on a NCAA resume. Losing a game like that could cost seed lines or even a bid. Personally, I think it is worth looking into, but Marquette's administration isn't interested and no other high-major has a similar multi-school rolling arrangement. There's also risk that you enter into this agreement and a coaching change or two completely undoes the effort you spent putting it together.
You're right, I guess I don't.
I want a great game, period. I'll watch tonight but the outcome is pre-arranged. If we lose tonight, our season is over.
I respectfully disagree with you on the question of won loss records. If we're 11-0 against cupcakes and lose to Villanova, UConn, Wisconsin etc., we aint going anywhere. I think we've even missed the tournament in a few years because we had no notable wins.
In the end, the draw is about entertainment. I get why from a practice standpoint one would play SIU-E. I just don't think it's the best use of a limited resource -- a schedule.
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 09, 2021, 02:34:55 PM
I want a great game, period. I'll watch tonight but the outcome is pre-arranged. If we lose tonight, our season is over.
I guess we need to vacate our last Elite 8 if losing to cupcakes means your season is over.
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 09, 2021, 02:34:55 PMI respectfully disagree with you on the question of won loss records. If we're 11-0 against cupcakes and lose to Villanova, UConn, Wisconsin etc., we aint going anywhere. I think we've even missed the tournament in a few years because we had no notable wins.
I didn't say 11-0. You still need quality non-con games to build the revenue and insure some fan excitement. If you go 9-11 in league, 4-3 in competitive non-con games, then 4-0 in cupcakes, that likely gets you into the NIT and possibly on the bubble. But if you're 2-2 in those 4 games, your season is likely over. That's why those need to be wins.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 09, 2021, 02:40:13 PM
I guess we need to vacate our last Elite 8 if losing to cupcakes means your season is over.
No, it means
this season is going to be a gory, long and awful one if we lose tonight.
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 09, 2021, 02:51:30 PM
No, it means this season is going to be a gory, long and awful one if we lose tonight.
I can't agree with you, dgies. This young team WILL improve over the course of the season, and who writes off an entire season after one game? Hell, I hope you didn't stop watching the Packers this year after the Saints embarrassed them on opening day.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on November 09, 2021, 03:47:03 PM
I can't agree with you, dgies. This young team WILL improve over the course of the season, and who writes off an entire season after one game? Hell, I hope you didn't stop watching the Packers this year after the Saints embarrassed them on opening day.
Agreed, should never take too much from a single basketball game. This one shouldn't be too much of a test, but if it proves otherwise, I can understand some folks worrying.
This fascination with Edwardsville led me to see what all the fuss is about since I have never visited. I was wondering if this is where Yadi lives or something of the sort.
Here is what I found:
https://locations.arbys.com/il/edwardsville/
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 09, 2021, 03:59:04 PM
This fascination with Edwardsville led me to see what all the fuss is about since I have never visited. I was wondering if this is where Yadi lives or something of the sort.
Here is what I found:
https://locations.arbys.com/il/edwardsville/
Just getting around to this thread:
St. Louis has a popular local roast beef restaurant chain since 1967 called Lion's Choice. 25 locations. They have one in Edwardsville. I would go there first. It's pretty good. Interestingly enough, the Cardinals baseball owner owns more than 60 Arby's locations.
SIUE alums:
The day job of former long time college basketball referee Ed Hightower, was Superintendent of Schools in Edwardsville.
Ken Flach and Bob Seguso won 4 Grand Slam Tennis Doubles titles together, an Olympics Doubles Gold Medal, and 30 Tourneys together. They were World number 1, added a few Mixed Doubles Grand Slams individually. And they had a Davis Cup USA record of 10-2.
SIUE also had several players from their 1979 Soccer National Championship team on the 1980 U.S. Olympic Soccer team.