In comparison with the Wisky roster, the only advantage MU has is with the freshman. The leftovers from Buzz are average bench players and the current sophomores are proving only slightly above average. The strength of this team is Howard & Hauser. Build off these two with a few F-C transfer/recruits and maybe we'll sniff the NCAA next year. Let Howard & Hauser get major minutes, make mistakes, and improve. This is another transitional season, so make the best of it.
Checking the waiver wire for big man graduate transfers should be the number 1 priority for this staff.
No quick solution here. Gotta upgrade da talent level, big league, hey?
While I don't disagree that MU could use more talent, the guys we have need to play harder and about 5-10x's times tougher. Sam and Marcus look very promising, HC will be fine, Luke is serviceable, JJJ is above average, etc.. Buzz had some teams with a much larger talent deficit that had more success.
Quote from: manny31 on December 10, 2016, 06:06:39 PM
While I don't disagree that MU could use more talent, the guys we have need to play harder and about 5-10x's times tougher. Sam and Marcus look very promising, HC will be fine, Luke is serviceable, JJJ is above average, etc.. Buzz had some teams with a much larger talent deficit that had more success.
When? Outside of his last year, which sucked, he had an NBA player on his roster each year.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on December 10, 2016, 04:54:05 PM
In comparison with the Wisky roster, the only advantage MU has is with the freshman. The leftovers from Buzz are average bench players and the current sophomores are proving only slightly above average. The strength of this team is Howard & Hauser. Build off these two with a few F-C transfer/recruits and maybe we'll sniff the NCAA next year. Let Howard & Hauser get major minutes, make mistakes, and improve. This is another transitional season, so make the best of it.
Checking the waiver wire for big man graduate transfers should be the number 1 priority for this staff.
I'd challenge that the sophomores are "slightly above average." Haanif is a stud, he's just on a slump. Carter is hurt. Heldt is a wait and see.
Bucky loses 4 starters next season to graduation. They might lose Happ to the NBA. Let's see how Gard does without Bo's leftovers.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 10, 2016, 06:53:50 PM
They might lose Happ to the NBA.
For those that follow the NBA, pay attention to draft boards, and evaluate talent, what is the likelihood of this? Seems highly unlikely to me but I really don't know.
Happ has no outside game and is a below the rim player. No chance at the NBA right now.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on December 10, 2016, 06:08:38 PM
When? Outside of his last year, which sucked, he had an NBA player on his roster each year.
He had guys that wound up on NBA rosters, they didn't come in as highly rated as the team we have now. Sometime between when they came to MU and when they finished they became good enough to find themselves on NBA rosters. Hmmm.
Quote from: TSmith34 on December 10, 2016, 07:01:07 PM
For those that follow the NBA, pay attention to draft boards, and evaluate talent, what is the likelihood of this? Seems highly unlikely to me but I really don't know.
Sultan is right, very unlikely. Have heard some say it is a possibility. If Happ thinks he will ever have a shot, this is probably the year to do it.
Quote from: manny31 on December 10, 2016, 07:17:34 PM
He had guys that wound up on NBA rosters, they didn't come in as highly rated as the team we have now. Sometime between when they came to MU and when they finished they became good enough to find themselves on NBA rosters. Hmmm.
I care much more about the quality of the player that we have than what they were in high school. Buzz didn't turn Jae and JFB into NBA players. Buzz deserves credit for unearthing them and getting them to MU.
But again, in Buzz's last year the lack of talent was a problem. I don't care how highly ranked Jamil and Juan were. They simply weren't good enough.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 10, 2016, 07:20:40 PM
Sultan is right, very unlikely. Have heard some say it is a possibility. If Happ thinks he will ever have a shot, this is probably the year to do it.
I was actually much more impressed with Hayes. Someone has told him to stop shooting from the outside and put the ball on the floor more. He was much better doing that than he was at any time last year. Second rounder probably, but showing different types of skills.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on December 10, 2016, 07:22:33 PM
I care much more about the quality of the player that we have than what they were in high school. Buzz didn't turn Jae and JFB into NBA players. Buzz deserves credit for unearthing them and getting them to MU.
But again, in Buzz's last year the lack of talent was a problem. I don't care how highly ranked Jamil and Juan were. They simply weren't good enough.
Vinny, at the end of the day Buzz got more out of his guys that Wojo is getting from his guys.
To your point directly, you want to argue that JFB was a NBA MVP type talent when he came out of that no name juco in Texas and that every other D-1 hoops coach missed him?
Quote from: manny31 on December 10, 2016, 08:00:14 PM
Vinny, at the end of the day Buzz got more out of his guys that Wojo is getting from his guys.
To your point directly, you want to argue that JFB was a NBA MVP type talent when he came out of that no name juco in Texas and that every other D-1 hoops coach missed him?
I think Buzz is a better coach than Wojo. I think talking about high school recruiting rankings as evidence of talent is dumb.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on December 10, 2016, 08:02:34 PM
I think Buzz is a better coach than Wojo. I think talking about high school recruiting rankings as evidence of talent is dumb.
I would agree with all of the above. I think Wojo will be alright and he will find his way but I just wish he would find it faster. Maybe long term he has a higher ceiling that Buzz? Maybe it is just a cultural thing but I do miss the toughness of those Buzz teams.
Quote from: manny31 on December 10, 2016, 08:08:45 PM
I would agree with all of the above. I think Wojo will be alright and he will find his way but I just wish he would find it faster. Maybe long term he has a higher ceiling that Buzz? Maybe it is just a cultural thing but I do miss the toughness of those Buzz teams.
How can you say Wojo has a higher ceiling than Buzz?
We have plenty of talent on this team. I am a big fan of each and every player. These young guys work their butts off. They all have special skills . They deserve to have a better coach who know how to blend the skills.That is what good coaches do. The MU community deserves a better coach.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on December 10, 2016, 08:16:25 PM
We have plenty of talent on this team. I am a big fan of each and every player. These young guys work their butts off. They all have special skills . They deserve to have a better coach who know how to blend the skills.That is what good coaches do. The MU community deserves a better coach.
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Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on December 10, 2016, 08:16:25 PM
We have plenty of talent on this team. I am a big fan of each and every player. These young guys work their butts off. They all have special skills . They deserve to have a better coach who know how to blend the skills.That is what good coaches do. The MU community deserves a better coach.
Hustle beats talent when talent doesn't hustle. Our talent needs to hustle. And lead. And quit their pouting and jogging back on defense.
I know what you are saying, and I was very disappointed in how JJJ played today. We need to expect more out of a senior than that.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on December 10, 2016, 07:12:30 PM
Happ has no outside game and is a below the rim player. No chance at the NBA right now.
+1. Or ever.
He relies on slow playing and overpowering post players. Sorry Happ, but you aren't pushing around Dwight Howard, Al Horford, heck, even Greg Monroe any time soon.
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on December 10, 2016, 08:11:15 PMHow can you say Wojo has a higher ceiling than Buzz?
Mainly because Wojo is a 3rd-year head coach. He has potential that's yet to be tapped.
Buzz is now in his 10th season as a Division I head coach. He's more of a known quantity.
Beyond that, Wojo might have a higher ceiling at Marquette simply because he's a better fit. Buzz repeatedly butted heads with the administration. He said he'd stay as long as MU would have him, then left for Virginia Tech — not exactly the sign of a coach who was happy and looking forward to the future here. If the trustees, president and AD are happy with Wojo, and Wojo is happy, he may be able to build a stronger program over time.
I am quite amused by all of the fire Wojo talk.
We lost to a team that has a chance to go to the Final four. Clearly better than we are.
All 5 of their starters are better than the MU counterparts. And they only beat us by 9.
Where are the "fire Greg Gard"posts?
Quote from: brandx on December 10, 2016, 11:24:17 PM
I am quite amused by all of the fire Wojo talk.
We lost to a team that has a chance to go to the Final four. Clearly better than we are.
All 5 of their starters are better than the MU counterparts. And they only beat us by 9.
Where are the "fire Greg Gard"posts?
I'm afraid that this is what it will be like after every loss until Wojo has gotten into the tournament in consecutive seasons. There will be fire Wojo posts after we lose @Nova this season.
Quote from: brandx on December 10, 2016, 11:24:17 PM
I am quite amused by all of the fire Wojo talk.
We lost to a team that has a chance to go to the Final four. Clearly better than we are.
All 5 of their starters are better than the MU counterparts. And they only beat us by 9.
Where are the "fire Greg Gard"posts?
Badgers were favored by 4-4.5 pts.
How is a 9 pt loss good?
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on December 11, 2016, 12:24:17 AM
Badgers were favored by 4-4.5 pts.
How is a 9 pt loss good?
Its not. No loss is good. But its not deserving of pitchforks and torches either.
Quote from: Marcus92 on December 10, 2016, 11:11:45 PM
Mainly because Wojo is a 3rd-year head coach. He has potential that's yet to be tapped.
Buzz is now in his 10th season as a Division I head coach. He's more of a known quantity.
Beyond that, Wojo might have a higher ceiling at Marquette simply because he's a better fit. Buzz repeatedly butted heads with the administration. He said he'd stay as long as MU would have him, then left for Virginia Tech — not exactly the sign of a coach who was happy and looking forward to the future here. If the trustees, president and AD are happy with Wojo, and Wojo is happy, he may be able to build a stronger program over time.
Buzz won 8 NCAA tournament games at Marquette. Call me when Wojo wins his 9th - not before he's even coached in his first.
Quote from: tower912 on December 10, 2016, 08:59:27 PM
Hustle beats talent when talent doesn't hustle. Our talent needs to hustle. And lead. And quit their pouting and jogging back on defense.
Best quote of the young season. There are two kind of teams in college basketball, the pretty teams and the teams that win ugly. When you play below the rim you have to sweat, a lot. Where is the sweat on the floor? Where are the towel kids drying up the floor all the time?
Teams like Duke and Princeton can win pretty, one because of talent the other because of the league.
I can see now why all that Buzz boot came rah, rah was needed and how it worked.
If I want to watch pretty boys, I might as well go to a Princeton game and watch grass grow.
There is no "muscle" on this roster. Guys like Burke, Gardner, even Clausen, are desperately lacking. Need to be able to bang, defend and rebound. Bulk matters.
For a recruit or transfer, there is playing time to be had. They should be looking for a mid-year transfer right now.
The la k of muscle seems to be a problem every year since Gardner and Otule left.k
Yeah, because Buzz left the cupboard bare. Wojo had Fischer and nothing more. His first class, he got a 5-star big and a project in Heldt that looks to be developing competently. He missed out on Washington and Nichols, but next year we have two legit bigs coming in.
This stuff doesn't happen overnight. The reason Bucky always has "that guy" is because they've developed that over the past fifteen years. We won't start to look like that until 2018 and beyond. Patience sucks. I'm a Cub fan too, so I get that. But it's not just a roster retool, it's creating a sustained culture.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 10, 2016, 11:37:41 PM
I'm afraid that this is what it will be like after every loss until Wojo has gotten into the tournament in consecutive seasons. There will be fire Wojo posts after we lose @Nova this season.
Nailed it. Nothing to be afraid of--IMO this is how it should be. MU spending beaucoup bucks and fans want to see a return on the investment.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on December 11, 2016, 09:44:02 AM
There is no "muscle" on this roster. Guys like Burke, Gardner, even Clausen, are desperately lacking. Need to be able to bang, defend and rebound. Bulk matters.
For a recruit or transfer, there is playing time to be had. They should be looking for a mid-year transfer right now.
I think that you are living in the past. Have you kept track of the rule changes to allow for offensive player movement?
Quote from: vogue65 on December 11, 2016, 02:43:34 AM
Best quote of the young season. There are two kind of teams in college basketball, the pretty teams and the teams that win ugly. When you play below the rim you have to sweat, a lot. Where is the sweat on the floor? Where are the towel kids drying up the floor all the time?
Don't see our guys on the floor too often. That hasta change.
As for Buzz, 'nuff said in that other thread. Personally water under the bridge. I appreciate Wojo doesn't treat his players as "my guys" and "his guys".
Wojo is building his program. I don't think we'll see much of hotshot Jucos or transfers. Not Wojos style.
I like the size that's coming in the next couple classes.
UW game stinky sure...But how can we throw away this season. We are better than DP STJ, GT, PV, we play well and 6-2 or better. For SH 1-1. for CR, BT, X, VN 2-6 minimum. That's 9-9. A win in BET and we're in.
Let's see what this crew can do against GT, then we'll see what we can see...