http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2676645-can-aaron-rodgers-be-the-type-of-leader-the-packers-need#
Probably the best bleacherreport article that I have ever read. Paints ARod as a huge headcase (which confirms other anecdotes that he is a weird guy).
I found this quote from Jermichael Finley to be especially telling:
To tell you the truth, it was all about his game and his stats in my opinion. ... He was a guy that kept it all in. He kept grudges close to his chest. If you did something, he never really let it go. He always kept it close to his heart.
"I just don't think he was a natural-born leader. He wasn't put on Earth to lead."
You'll never be the man that Brett is, bro. You'll never be the leader that Brett was. Never.
Any thesis that uses as evidence extensive quotes from Jermichael Finley is specious at best.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 19, 2016, 10:53:11 AM
Any thesis that uses as evidence extensive quotes from Jermichael Finley is specious at best.
Exactly. I have little doubt that Rodgers is a douche that wouldn't be a whole lot of fun to play with in a season like this, but using Jermichael to prove the point? You can definitely do better.
Brett and Aaron are roughly the same, they just use different approaches.
Ridgers is Kobe in a football uniform IMO. Told me kids last year after Kobe's last game that Rodgers will end his career against a crap team, throw it 75 times for 8 TD's and 650 years in a loss.
When he said the Hail Mary against the Lions last year was the greatest moment of his career said a lot to me. Great talent, not a born winner and probably a loner. Like Kobe, his competitive nature seems forced to me and all talk.
Quote from: Goose on November 19, 2016, 02:46:20 PM
Ridgers is Kobe in a football uniform IMO. Told me kids last year after Kobe's last game that Rodgers will end his career against a crap team, throw it 75 times for 8 TD's and 650 years in a loss.
When he said the Hail Mary against the Lions last year was the greatest moment of his career said a lot to me. Great talent, not a born winner and probably a loner. Like Kobe, his competitive nature seems forced to me and all talk.
There are 3 quarterbacks in football right now who have a higher winning percentage than Aaron Rodgers that have started more than the 10 games this season. He has the 5th most career wins of any active quarterback in football. He's won pretty much at every level he's been at. I'm not sure where you get the idea he's "not a born winner." All he's really ever done is win.
Born winners win the biggest games. His playoff record, aside from SB year, is poor and his record against teams with winning record is poor. Too lazy to get the stats but his record in games that under three point favorite or underdog is actually very poor.
Quote from: Goose on November 19, 2016, 03:21:06 PM
Born winners win the biggest games. His playoff record, aside from SB year, is poor and his record against teams with winning record is poor. Too lazy to get the stats but his record in games that under three point favorite or underdog is actually very poor.
So you mean when he's playing better teams he has a worse record? Shocking. That's typically how it goes. Teams with better records are tougher to beat than teams with worse records because they're typically better teams.
And you can do that with any quarterback. "Other than the SB run his Playoff record sucks." Well of course that's true. That's true with any quarterback.
Wade
We look at winning and excellence different across the board. Tom Brady is a born winner and shows it year in and year out. IMO the Packers level of success with AR at QB is not impressive. Great stats and too much big game disappointments.
We can agree to disagree.
Aaron Rodgers is 8-6 in playoff games. 63% completion percentage. 27 TDs, 8 INTs. 98.2 rating. Rodgers lost two playoff games at Lambeau. He has won four road playoff games.
Brett Favre is 13-11. 60% completion percentage. 44 TDs, 30 INTs. 86.3 rating. He lost three playoff games at Lambeau. He won three on the road, the last one being the 1997 NFC Championship Game.
BTW, Tom Brady has only three road playoff wins, the last one was in the 2006 Divisional Playoffs. He's also lost three playoff games at home. (And two Super Bowls where his team was was the favorite.) Don't get me wrong, Tom Brady is a better quarterback than Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre. But he pretty much wins in the playoffs when his team is better.
And the cliche "born winner?" No thanks.
Quote from: Goose on November 19, 2016, 03:35:34 PM
Wade
We look at winning and excellence different across the board. Tom Brady is a born winner and shows it year in and year out. IMO the Packers level of success with AR at QB is not impressive. Great stats and too much big game disappointments.
We can agree to disagree.
I just don't get it. All but maybe 2 franchises in the NFL would kill to have someone who wasn't a "born winner" if Rodgers isn't that.
Just curious, beyond Brady, what QBs in the NFL would you consider "born winners?"
If Rodgers was paired with Bill Bellichick his entire career he wouldn't be stopping at 4 SBs.
And don't get me wrong. I've been incredibly frustrated with Rodgers the last year in a half. But calling him not a "born winner" is just flat out wrong. He's unequestionably one of (no, not the) the best QBs to ever play the game. Just as Dan Marino was, despite not being a "born winner."
Again, how we define winning and excellence is not on the same planet. IMO there are very few born winners that I have watched in sports. A born winner finds a way to win against all odds and few have that ability. Winning and winning big is done by very few and I do not think Rodgers is even in any conversation on that topic.
Quote from: Goose on November 19, 2016, 05:00:40 PM
Again, how we define winning and excellence is not on the same planet. IMO there are very few born winners that I have watched in sports. A born winner finds a way to win against all odds and few have that ability. Winning and winning big is done by very few and I do not think Rodgers is even in any conversation on that topic.
But how is Brady a "born winner?" When has he won "against all odds?" He hasn't won a playoff game where his team has been the underdog in over ten years, and he has lost some where he has been the favorite since that time.
Ditto Favre.
Rodgers winning three playoff games on the road, and a Super Bowl the same year, is arguably a greater single season accomplishment than either Brady or Favre achieved. Was that not "against all odds?" (They were favored by the last Vegas line in the NFC Championship Game at the Bears and in the Super Bowl versus the Steelers.)
Sultan
Where was Favre mentioned? You noted his stats and was confused on why. Hard for Brady to win on the road when they have home field every year.
Favre was mentioned by the OP.
And Brady lost on the road in the playoffs both last season and in the 2014 NFC Championship Games. (Both at Denver.)
Brady won SB two years ago.
You said that Tom Brady is a "born winner." You said that born winners find "a way to win against all odds."
Brady won a Super Bowl two years ago when his team was favored in every playoff game except the Super Bowl that ended as a Pick 'Em. How is that finding a win against all odds?
Brady is a better quarterback. That's all you have to say and there isn't much to dispute that. However saying that he is a "born winner," and Aaron Rodgers isn't a "born winner" are just cliches that don't mean anything.
Olivia Munn is super hot.
I'll ask again, then. What NFL quarterbacks beyond Tom Brady is a "born winner?"
Quote from: wadesworld on November 20, 2016, 12:34:22 AM
I'll ask again, then. What NFL quarterbacks beyond Tom Brady is a "born winner?"
Eli?
Wade
I would take Big Ben career over Rodgers in a heartbeat at this stage of their careers. R. Wilson has done nothing but win and continues to do so. I only mentioned "born winner" because that article compared AR competitive nature to that of Jordan. I found that to be flat out crazy. If true, I wish he would funnel some of that competitive nature into winning at highest level.
Rodgers has had a very nice career and next five years will judge his place in history. I would have far less beef with Rodgers being a "winner" if for six years in a row we were not heavily regarded team going into the season. Post SB success has not been there. Going into this season any Packer fan being honest had to have home field for playoffs as the baseline goal. Three months ago folks were talking 16-0, 15-1, 14-2 and crazy stuff and now fighting for playoff spot.
Quote from: Goose on November 20, 2016, 11:02:19 AM
Wade
I would take Big Ben career over Rodgers in a heartbeat at this stage of their careers. R. Wilson has done nothing but win and continues to do so. I only mentioned "born winner" because that article compared AR competitive nature to that of Jordan. I found that to be flat out crazy. If true, I wish he would funnel some of that competitive nature into winning at highest level.
Rodgers has had a very nice career and next five years will judge his place in history. I would have far less beef with Rodgers being a "winner" if for six years in a row we were not heavily regarded team going into the season. Post SB success has not been there. Going into this season any Packer fan being honest had to have home field for playoffs as the baseline goal. Three months ago folks were talking 16-0, 15-1, 14-2 and crazy stuff and now fighting for playoff spot.
So because prognosticators and fans got it wrong means Aaron isn't a "born winner?"
Russell Wilson has the same number of championships as Aaron Rodgers, the worst defense he's ever played with is far and away better than the best Rodgers has ever played with (even the Chuck Woodson defenses weren't close to what the worst Seahawks Ds have been the past 5 years), his worst running game has been far and away better than an out of shape running back that doesn't fit the offense Mac wants to run, and Wilson has always played for a far better coach than Rodgers.
Wilson is a game manager that is asked to turn and hand the ball off 35 times a game, take off on a run 6 times a game, throw a bunch of out routs on gimmick plays, maybe take a deep shot once a game, and let his defense win him games. Rodgers is asked to complete carry a team with no defense whatsoever. And they've had roughly identical success. And both are equally phonies.
Big Ben sure you can make a case. He's also been playing longer and is 0-1 against Rodgers in the Playoff. The "non born winner" beat the "born winner" when winning mattered most. If Rodgers gets a second and even third title before his career is over and Big Ben stays at 2 with one being directly against Big Ben did Rodgers go through a rebirth, this time a winner at birth?
Debating whether or not Aaron Rodgers is a leader is like asking if LeBron has actually underachieved. Talk about first-world problems.
Quote from: tower912 on November 20, 2016, 03:15:49 PM
Debating whether or not Aaron Rodgers is a leader is like asking if LeBron has actually underachieved. Talk about first-world problems.
Agree
The Texans (except for a couple years with journeyman Matt Shaub) have never had a decent QB during their entire franchise history.
Packers have had 3 HOF QBs and a slew of decent journeymen QBs. There are nowadays at least half a dozen NFL teams that must start QBs who likely wouldnt start for most other teams
Why not just....Enjoy Rodgers while he is active ; and debate his legacy/standing on his retirement
Quote from: houwarrior on November 20, 2016, 09:10:14 PM
Agree
The Texans (except for a couple years with journeyman Matt Shaub) have never had a decent QB during their entire franchise history.
Packers have had 3 HOF QBs and a slew of decent journeymen QBs. There are nowadays at least half a dozen NFL teams that must start QBs who likely wouldnt start for most other teams
Why not just....Enjoy Rodgers while he is active ; and debate his legacy/standing on his retirement
Why isn't Aaron leading this defense? Brady or Montana would be out on the field making tackles. It's time for Aaron to "prove" he is a winner.
Aikman is another so-called "winner". I'm surprised his back is not bent and broken from carrying those Hall-of-Famers for all of those years. Emmitt, Irvin, Deion, Allen and the rest never would have lasted in the NFL without a winner like Aikman to lead them.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 19, 2016, 10:10:28 PM
Olivia Munn is super hot.
This comment is the most ridiculous one made on this thread.
As for Rodgers, he's always been a weird dude. He's selfish, thin-skinned and aloof. As long as he was winning football games, no one cared. If/when he goes back to winning football games, no one will care again. Only when the team struggles does it become a topic of conversation. IOW, who cares? Brady is also aloof. Russell Wilson is a phony. Peyton is a hot-head. You win and you can be whatever you want.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 21, 2016, 08:26:17 AM
This comment is the most ridiculous one made on this thread.
As for Rodgers, he's always been a weird dude. He's selfish, thin-skinned and aloof. As long as he was winning football games, no one cared. If/when he goes back to winning football games, no one will care again. Only when the team struggles does it become a topic of conversation. IOW, who cares? Brady is also aloof. Russell Wilson is a phony. Peyton is a hot-head. You win and you can be whatever you want.
See: Williams, Buzz.
The claim that Rodgers isn't a born winner is laughable, and I hate the Packers, but cmon.
It isn't Aaron's fault that Capers defense continues to get torched.
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Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 21, 2016, 08:26:17 AM
This comment is the most ridiculous one made on this thread.
As for Rodgers, he's always been a weird dude. He's selfish, thin-skinned and aloof. As long as he was winning football games, no one cared. If/when he goes back to winning football games, no one will care again. Only when the team struggles does it become a topic of conversation. IOW, who cares? Brady is also aloof. Russell Wilson is a phony. Peyton is a hot-head. You win and you can be whatever you want.
That was the point. Also, she is.
MU B2002
Again, not saying AR is a loser, but far from a high level winner. Way too lazy to dig up all the stats, but I can assure you that there is a great deal of evidence to prove that he is far from a world class winner. The stats against top D's, win/loss record against teams with winning record, road record, one year wonder in playoffs and list goes on and on. He stacks up very poorly in all of these categories against Brady and Wilson.
My only gripe against Rodgers is that he got free pass for the one SB run. Aside from racking up crazy stats I have not seen winning at the highest level. Bob McGinn of Milwaukee JS has been exposing AR miscues for the past six weeks and first time I have seen any reporter question his performance. McGinn went as far as to say that saying AR is HOF lock talk needs to stop.
Quote from: Goose on November 21, 2016, 10:56:38 AM
MU B2002
Again, not saying AR is a loser, but far from a high level winner. Way too lazy to dig up all the stats, but I can assure you that there is a great deal of evidence to prove that he is far from a world class winner. The stats against top D's, win/loss record against teams with winning record, road record, one year wonder in playoffs and list goes on and on. He stacks up very poorly in all of these categories against Brady and Wilson.
My only gripe against Rodgers is that he got free pass for the one SB run. Aside from racking up crazy stats I have not seen winning at the highest level. Bob McGinn of Milwaukee JS has been exposing AR miscues for the past six weeks and first time I have seen any reporter question his performance. McGinn went as far as to say that saying AR is HOF lock talk needs to stop.
McGinn has been butt hurt since 2 off seasons ago with the Packers. Aaron Rodgers could retire today and he'd be a lock for the HOF the first day he's eligible.
Testify. Just about anybody with a quarterback not named Brady or Wilson looks at the Packer QB with envy.
Wade
Why is McGinn "butt hurt" with the Packers?
Quote from: Goose on November 21, 2016, 11:21:09 AM
Wade
Why is McGinn "butt hurt" with the Packers?
McGinn is butt hurt because the Packers were butt hurt about Michael Cohen's article about Letroy Guion's history of legal issues, because the Packers like to ride around on their high horses and act like they don't put up with any sort of character issues within their organization. So when Cohen (who I believe was very new with the JS and very new covering the Packers) looked further into Guion's history following his drug/gun arrest in Florida 2 off seasons ago the Packers were beyond furious about it and used it as yet another excuse for why their season went in the crapper. The Packers were completely at fault there, but ever since then McGinn has made every attempt he can to try to bash Rodgers, Mac, Thompson, and the Packers. Some of the stuff is legitimate (his article on the problems Rodgers is having this season) and other stuff is complete garbage (saying Rodgers isn't a HOF QB...he could never complete another pass in his life and he'd be a sure fire, first ballot HOFer).
Quote from: Goose on November 21, 2016, 10:56:38 AM
MU B2002
Again, not saying AR is a loser, but far from a high level winner. Way too lazy to dig up all the stats, but I can assure you that there is a great deal of evidence to prove that he is far from a world class winner. The stats against top D's, win/loss record against teams with winning record, road record, one year wonder in playoffs and list goes on and on. He stacks up very poorly in all of these categories against Brady and Wilson.
Aaron Rodgers stats in the playoffs are significantly better than Russell Wilson's.
Seriously this "far from a high level winner" line is just garbage. You give Aaron Rodgers Seattle's defense and running game, and it wouldn't even be a comparison.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 21, 2016, 12:07:58 PM
Aaron Rodgers stats in the playoffs are significantly better than Russell Wilson's.
Seriously this "far from a high level winner" line is just garbage. You give Aaron Rodgers Seattle's defense and running game, and it wouldn't even be a comparison.
It would be a dynasty.
Only once in the last 7 years has the Packers "D' ranked in the top 10 in Pts. allowed. The result? A Super Bowl.
Since that SB win, their average defensive ranking in Points Allowed is 19th. Apparently, that is proof that Aaron is not a "winner".
Wade
Just curious on how you know McGinn is making up garbage? Only asking because I felt and heard he was widely respected nationally. Disappointed to hear a highly regarded guy would resort to making up garbage.
Don't forget that ARod had Jennings and Driver in those first three-four seasons. How good is ARod when he has average to crappy receivers? Does he step his game up? Apparently not.
Everyone cites ARod's statistics and QB ratings in those years, but they often neglect the fact that GB's wide receivers fought hard for yards-after-the-catch, for which ARod's stats get credit.
Also keep in mind that his INT numbers were deflated by the fact that he held onto the ball forever, leading to him being the most-sacked QB in NFL history (not reflected in stats such as QB rating). He would wait to pass until his receivers were wide open.
He is far from a first-ballot HOFer, IMO. And still not a lock for HOF, IMO.
Man, I just read what I wrote here and I come off as a huge sipper of hater-ade. Ah well.
Well of course quarterbacks are better when they have better players around them. Joe Montana had Jerry frekin' Rice for goodness sakes, but he still had to make the plays.
Quote from: Eldon on November 21, 2016, 12:46:20 PM
Don't forget that ARod had Jennings and Driver in those first three-four seasons. How good is ARod when he has average to crappy receivers? Does he step his game up? Apparently not.
Everyone cites ARod's statistics and QB ratings in those years, but they often neglect the fact that GB's wide receivers fought hard for yards-after-the-catch, for which ARod's stats get credit.
Also keep in mind that his INT numbers were deflated by the fact that he held onto the ball forever, leading to him being the most-sacked QB in NFL history (not reflected in stats such as QB rating). He would wait to pass until his receivers were wide open.
He is far from a first-ballot HOFer, IMO. And still not a lock for HOF, IMO.
Man, I just read what I wrote here and I come off as a huge sipper of hater-ade. Ah well.
Were Jennings and Driver really that good of receivers in the spectrum of receivers?
Rodgers must have either very good surrounding cast or be the GOAT because for six years in a row Pack has been top three SB favorite going into the season. The experts definitely felt he has talent around him going into every season.
Rodgers is that good. Or more to the point, the perception around the NFL is that Rodgers is good enough to make a team with myriad weaknesses a Super Bowl contender. I feel like we are in bizarro-world here, actually debating whether or not AR is a leader.
Tower
Are you a Packer fan?
Quote from: Goose on November 21, 2016, 01:31:29 PM
Rodgers must have either very good surrounding cast or be the GOAT because for six years in a row Pack has been top three SB favorite going into the season. The experts definitely felt he has talent around him going into every season.
So it's the quarterback's fault whenever a team fails to meet expectations?
This might be a good time to review the posts of just a few weeks ago dumping on Rodgers.
Without him what would have been the score/result of the Cowboys game?
I don't have to walk back a thing. Woot.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 21, 2016, 10:35:22 AM
That was the point. Also, she is.
I don't think it is disputable. Vander is dead accurate.
Quote from: houwarrior on January 15, 2017, 10:04:34 PM
This might be a good time to review the posts of just a few weeks ago dumping on Rodgers.
Without him what would have been the score/result of the Cowboys game?
To be accurate, it was mainly two guys dumping on him - but, wow, they made some pretty silly comments.
Not a leader? May not make HOF? I'm guessing those two haven't watched a lot of football.
But, 34 points might not be enough next week. May need 40 to win.
Missed this thread earlier. I have no idea what kind of leader Rodgers is. But I do know that he will be HOFer the minute he is eligible.
Could be just me, but I think promising that the Packers would "Run the Table" and then actually following through on it shows some competitive spirit.
Found this stat today. Rodgers' pass to Cook was his 8th completion of 30 yards or more in the final minute of a half in the past two seasons. No other QB has more than 3 over that time period.
When the game is on the line and you need big play, I would want Rodgers running my offense.
He also has the 5th most postseason TDs in NFL history. He's only 33. That's a lot of big plays in big games.
So let me summarize this thread ...
Around mid-November when the Packers were 4-6, A bunch of people were crapping to bed about how bad Rogers was. The second everyone here agreed that he was a douche and not a natural born leader the Packers haven't lost a game since. Now 8 games later they are in the NFC championship. So this thread gets revived to tell us how great Aaron Rodgers its.
Typical message board stuff as most of the stuff here is unguided emotional responses.
Keep this in mind the next time MUBB is either upset or upsets someone.
Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on January 16, 2017, 07:49:29 AM
So let me summarize this thread ...
Around mid-November when the Packers were 4-6, A bunch of people were crapping to bed about how bad Rogers was. The second everyone here agreed that he was a douche and not a natural born leader the Packers haven't lost a game since. Now 8 games later they are in the NFC championship. So this thread gets revived to tell us how great Aaron Rodgers its.
Typical message board stuff as most of the stuff here is unguided emotional responses.
Keep this in mind the next time MUBB is either upset or upsets someone.
The bolded never happened.
You have a habit of being squishy with the truth to further your hyperbole.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 19, 2016, 02:36:26 PM
Exactly. I have little doubt that Rodgers is a douche that wouldn't be a whole lot of fun to play with in a season like this, but using Jermichael to prove the point? You can definitely do better.
Brett and Aaron are roughly the same, they just use different approaches.
Quote from: Goose on November 19, 2016, 02:46:20 PM
Rodgers is Kobe in a football uniform IMO. Told me kids last year after Kobe's last game that Rodgers will end his career against a crap team, throw it 75 times for 8 TD's and 650 years in a loss.
When he said the Hail Mary against the Lions last year was the greatest moment of his career said a lot to me. Great talent, not a born winner and probably a loner. Like Kobe, his competitive nature seems forced to me and all talk.
Quote from: Goose on November 19, 2016, 03:21:06 PM
Born winners win the biggest games. His playoff record, aside from SB year, is poor and his record against teams with winning record is poor. Too lazy to get the stats but his record in games that under three point favorite or underdog is actually very poor.
Two people is everybody?
Could not be happier that the Pack won. Hope Rodgers proves to be a big time winner in the next two games. I will gladly eat crow with egg on my face. For the record, I never questioned Rodgers being a leader or not, my comments were/are 100% based on winning on the biggest stage.
Quote from: Goose on January 16, 2017, 09:09:37 AM
Could not be happier that the Pack won. Hope Rodgers proves to be a big time winner in the next two games. I will gladly eat crow with egg on my face. For the record, I never questioned Rodgers being a leader or not, my comments were/are 100% based on winning on the biggest stage.
And he has pretty much proved your comments wrong. Not to mention he has already won on the biggest stage.
But he's no Russell Wilson right?
Quote from: Yukon Cornelius on January 16, 2017, 07:49:29 AM
So let me summarize this thread ...
Around mid-November when the Packers were 4-6, A bunch of people were crapping to bed about how bad Rogers was. The second everyone here agreed that he was a douche and not a natural born leader the Packers haven't lost a game since. Now 8 games later they are in the NFC championship. So this thread gets revived to tell us how great Aaron Rodgers its.
Typical message board stuff as most of the stuff here is unguided emotional responses.
Keep this in mind the next time MUBB is either upset or upsets someone.
What does Aaron Rodgers being a douche have to do with Aaron Rodgers being really good at football? Aaron Rodgers is a douche. Aaron Rodgers is really good at football. As I said in November. And as it stands now in January. Doesn't exactly support your theory that this thread is like any other message board thread with people saying someone/a team sucks in one instance and 2 months later says they're the GOAT. I've said since the start of this ridiculous thread that Rodgers is a 1st ballot HOFer without any thought or question about it. Anybody who can't see that has never watched a football game in his/her life.
Wish Marquette had a douchey leader like him.
Quote from: tower912 on January 16, 2017, 01:46:43 PM
Wish Marquette had a douchey leader like him.
Even if we did, most wouldn't even realize it because the douche talk would drown out the leader talk.
Rodgers needs to throw more interceptions to prove he can overcome adversity.
The Bleacher report article questioning ARs leadership is referenced here...it is a bookend rejoinder to the OP....a good read:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18495474/green-bay-packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-saved-packers-season
"If Rodgers was paired with Bill Bellichick his entire career he wouldn't be stopping at 4 SBs."
fantastic point wades-my son and i were just talking about this-yes tom brady is good, but belichick's system produces winners. actually, the players don't have a choice. either you produce for bill or you gone
who the hell wouldn't want to be a wide receiver catching passes from bret, aaron or tommy?
rodgers is just a different type of leader. love all the aaron hate when all he's done is kill it. the dude wins a super bowl all on the road-RELAX. and then sitting at 4-6 says, "i feel like we can run the table" he delivers and he's one of the most accurate passers of all time
the kobe analogy is poor...really really poor
I'm a Rodgers fan, but he had a rough day.
You know it's rough when the most notable play you're involved in is probably the first facemask penalty ever committed by a quarterback in a playoff game.
Quote from: MU82 on January 23, 2017, 06:57:09 AM
I'm a Rodgers fan, but he had a rough day.
You know it's rough when the most notable play you're involved in is probably the first facemask penalty ever committed by a quarterback in a playoff game.
Rodgers wasn't really the problem. He moved us into position to have a 10-10 ballgame but after a missed field goal and a fumble at the 5 yard line it's a 17-0 game and your 1.25 dimensional offense became entirely 1 dimensional.
Sure, he threw a pick on 3rd and 21 from inside his own 20 down by 24 points which ended up being a 50 yard punt anyway. And sure he only completed 60% of his passes. But off the top of my head I can remember 1 drop by Cook, 1 by Ripkowski, and 2 by Michael. I'm sure I missed one or 2, but even with those 4 he'd be up over 300 yards and at a 69% completion percentage with 3 touchdowns, 1 punt interception, and 46 rushing yards. And he was under pressure pretty much all day.
Props to Jordy. Not his greatest numbers as a Packer, but can't imagine what else he could've given.
Quote from: MU82 on January 23, 2017, 06:57:09 AM
I'm a Rodgers fan, but he had a rough day.
You know it's rough when the most notable play you're involved in is probably the first facemask penalty ever committed by a quarterback in a playoff game.
wonder what the prop odds on that one was?
he never gave up-had the packers longest run, from scrimmage, breaking a few tackles along the way. dropped passes...
why they didn't have him rolling out more, misdirections, screen passes, to give him a little more time. too predictable. i swear the packers were shown game film from the bears or something because i have no idea who they were prepared to play. they sure in the hell didn't have a clue against ryan et.al. don't get me wrong, the falcons are good, but their defense shouldn't have stuffed us the way they did.
mccarthy has got to go to plan "B" or "C" or "D" when "A" isn't working-try something else cuz his plan and capers plan was not working. needed reggie white to wake 'em up and kick some ass on the sideline or something. rodgers can only(mostly) lead by example, but when some frothing at the mouth red faced 300 lb. lineman starts convulsing at you, it tends to get more guys fired up
Rocket
Respect your right to your opinion. I will take the Patriot/Brady way any day of the week over the Packer way. I believe AR is an outstanding talent and a top 5 QB year in and year out. Where I disagree is simple, guys considered GOAT's are always winners on the big stages. AR just surpassed Eli for playoff wins and Lambeau in the playoffs, not overly impressive. Been QB for nearly a decade and has played in five home playoff games. Brady has 11 AFC Championship games in his career.
I believe Kobe was a special talent that struggled at winning without greatness around him. I have to Kobe credit that he at least win big when surrounded by stars. AR has been in the racket a long time and has not had much success in the playoffs for a guy that gets the praise he gets.
Quote from: Goose on January 24, 2017, 02:53:52 PM
Rocket
I believe Kobe was a special talent that struggled at winning without greatness around him.
I believe Jordan, Lebron, Shaq, and Durrant were/are special talents that struggled at winning without greatness around them.
That's why we have "super" teams in the NBA. Every single star struggles to win without greatness around them.
Kurt Warner just made the Hall of Fame.
Safe to say that Rodgers is a lock.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 04, 2017, 08:20:51 PM
Kurt Warner just made the Hall of Fame.
Safe to say that Rodgers is a lock.
Yeah, yeah. But, Kurt was a leader.