1. KR, JjJ, I am looking at you. Duane needs some of your minutes.
2. Playing defense while fearing your 4th foul is not really playing defense.
3. What is MU not doing that makes the official blow the whistle on a drive?
4. Oh, that is what the big deal about Rowsey is. Obviously it won't happen every night, but now we know it can happen against major competition.
5. 9 straight makes for Pitt? Tin man defense. Bring in Cohen. What is the worst that can happen?
6. Doogie is not a strong man defender against athletic forwards. I realize that he is the future and I am looking forward to it.
7. Luke is an average big who can't defend on the perimeter. Every good coach is going to force him to guard in space.
8. I predicted 4 losses this year due to an inability to secure a late defensive rebound. The official count is now 1. Not the only reason, obviously, but the winning points for Pitt were scored on an extended possession off of an offensive rebound.
9. I want Duane on the floor and not Hauser in the end game situation. Freshmen should not shoot end-game 3's.
Wojo - discuss
10. Rengotiate Wojo's deal, tell him the new one expires at the end of this season.
I don't think it is, but in my opinion, Wojo's seat should be getting warm. Two inexcusable losses for different reasons, but just poor roster management pervasive in both
Damn.
This was a winnable game. We should have won and we failed.
After four games, my biggest fear is we are headed down an instant replay of last year.
We're making freshmen mistakes -- AGAIN. This time as sophomores.
Idk what's funnier
This collapse, wojos coaching or you pinning this on a rebound
Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2016, 05:34:51 PM
1. KR, JjJ, I am looking at you. Duane needs some of your minutes.
2. Playing defense while fearing your 4th foul is not really playing defense.
3. What is MU not doing that makes the official blow the whistle on a drive?
4. Oh, that is what the big deal about Rowsey is. Obviously it won't happen every night, but now we know it can happen against major competition.
5. 9 straight makes for Pitt? Tin man defense. Bring in Cohen. What is the worst that can happen?
6. Doogie is not a strong man defender against athletic forwards. I realize that he is the future and I am looking forward to it.
7. Luke is an average big who can't defend on the perimeter. Every good coach is going to force him to guard in space.
8. I predicted 4 losses this year due to an inability to secure a late defensive rebound. The official count is now 1. Not the only reason, obviously, but the winning points for Pitt were scored on an extended possession off of an offensive rebound.
9. I want Duane on the floor and not Hauser in the end game situation. Freshmen should not shoot end-game 3's.
Du at the end would've been big. He consistently drove to the hoop and at least may have drawn a foul.
Our seniors were bad.
Not sure about the play calls at the end. Don't think a drive into the trees with Rowsey or a looong 3 was the answer.
And Sandy would not help.
Did you see our out of control offense? What is he going to fix?
4 straight years of garbage
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on November 18, 2016, 05:36:42 PM
Wojo - discuss
I have yet to see any reason to believe. And we now have a decent sample size
PF, winning points scored off of offensive rebound. Fact. Not getting big rebounds with 90 seconds left in a tie game costs you. How do you dispute that?
Wojo's mistakes today were in his use of his rotation. Try Cohen on Young. Could his defense have been any worse than what was played? Get Duane in for the last possession.
Coaching is horrible.
Pitt not very good at all, we are worse. After watching the Gavitt games we are way behind the top and middle of conference.
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 18, 2016, 05:37:21 PM
Damn.
This was a winnable game. We should have won and we failed.
After four games, my biggest fear is we are headed down an instant replay of last year.
We're making freshmen mistakes -- AGAIN. This time as sophomores.
U realize we start 3 seniors right? We r not young, we stink!
Long time (5-6 year) lurker here. This game made me so angry I had to finally make an account to say how disappointed I am with this program.
Looking at our play the first 4 games, you may be okay with 2-2 but its clear we will not make the tournament once again. Wojo's coaching has simply not been good enough since he arrived. He has no more leeway from me. He either starts winning or he needs to be gone. Its depressing how far this program has fallen.
Finally, thus far Katin has been the most disappointing player I've seen in some time.
Praying we can turn this thing around but judging from the team under Wojo making the exact same mistakes and losing the exact same games as the past few years I'm not holding my breath.
Our offense is like a funnel, and so preditable already.
Agree with all on the last possession--poor designs lead to poor outcomes. This doesn't feel like last year though. Last year was freshmen mistakes. Today was bad strategy and lousy D. We lost a heartbreaker to a good team that exploited our weaknesses...feels like the late aughts rather than 2015-16. Like those teams, I think we'll be okay.
Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2016, 05:39:50 PM
PF, winning points scored off of offensive rebound. Fact. Not getting big rebounds with 90 seconds left in a tie game costs you. How do you dispute that?
Wojo's mistakes today were in his use of his rotation. Try Cohen on Young. Could his defense have been any worse than what was played? Get Duane in for the last possession.
We lost the game when we let them make 9 shots in a row and blew a 15 pt lead.
The fact you are putting it all on 1 long rebound is hilarious.
Not Luke missing free throws, not Rowsey biffing two drives(after the rebound), not Hauser missing a shot.
LOL
Quote from: Babybluejeans on November 18, 2016, 05:43:49 PM
Agree with all on the last possession--poor designs lead to poor outcomes. This doesn't feel like last year though. Last year was freshmen mistakes. Today was bad strategy and lousy D. We lost a heartbreaker to a good team that exploited our weaknesses...feels like the late aughts rather than 2015-16. Like those teams, I think we'll be okay.
Stop calling Pitt a good team
Up by 15, Reinhardt inexplicably launches two threes. JJJ drives out of control, turns it over multiple times, and doesn't hustle back on defense. At certain times they simply decide they are going to shoot whether they have good shots or not. Completely let Pitt back into the game.
And how does Wojo not try a different defense on Young??
Quote from: Babybluejeans on November 18, 2016, 05:43:49 PM
Agree with all on the last possession--poor designs lead to poor outcomes. This doesn't feel like last year though. Last year was freshmen mistakes. Today was bad strategy and lousy D. We lost a heartbreaker to a good team that exploited our weaknesses...feels like the late aughts rather than 2015-16. Like those teams, I think we'll be okay.
That was not a good team. If we don't see drastic improvement in several areas we won't sniff the tournament
Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on November 18, 2016, 05:45:07 PM
Stop calling Pitt a good team
How do you define good team? They were a tournament team last year and have a good chance to be one again this year. I'd sure love for Marquette to be at that level.
Going the last 7+ minutes without a basket. No Assists after the 10 min mark in 2nd half. 5' Guards recklessly driving without looking for our C or kick outs. A defensive scheme that seems to elude our players. That's on Wojo. Team took a step back this week. Not impressed with their awareness
JJJ and Reinhardt were 4 for 22 from field.
Carter had 4 fouls in six minutes.
MU was 7 for 26 from three.
Fischer only took five shots and wasn't an option on last two plays.?????????
Pitt scored only 9 straight because Fischer was guarding Young and afraid to pick up fourth foul, someone else needed to guard him.
Back door defense has been brutal last two games.
I'll give Heldt a thumbs up, even though not that talented, played great minutes tonight.
Wojo has recruited shooters (I guess) in last two years and that is not really working out right now. The lack of bulk/size up front will continue to haunt them throughout the year. I picked them going 1-4 in those five important out of conference games and I hope I am wrong.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 18, 2016, 05:45:20 PM
Up by 15, Reinhardt inexplicably launches two threes.
Listening on the radio and at this point I thought to myself oh no we didn't need to do that. Winning teams don't do that with a 15 point lead.
PF, I acknowledge all the failings. Tie game, 90 seconds left, defensive stop, no rebound. Perhaps not THE reason, but it sure didn't help. So, by my count, first of four this year.
I'm sure it has something to do with quality of opponent, but we spent the first two games dribble penetrating, kicking out for open shots. I'd be less upset with the losses if it looked like we had any clue what we were doing on offense or defense.
Seems like all of our baskets come in transition or in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock.
Marquette won the first two (+exhibition +scrimmage) convincingly by Wojo subbing lots of players, especially when the start taking dumb shots or turning over the ball. The past two days? That all changed, and I'm not sure why. I'm not sure Sandy is the answer, but certainly give him a little time to help keep everyone fresh and keep going uptempo.
Disappointed with the past two days, but trying to stay optimistic.
Agree - there was ample opportunity to change things up on Young and nothing happened. I don't get the feeling that Wojo is capable of in-game modifications. felt the same during the first half last night.
I would love to see a start to finish well executed game plan this Tuesday. MU can definitely make a move this season, I see a lot of potential, but it needs to manifest itself on the court. IUPUI blasted Howard today, they aren't going away easy on Tuesday.
Da talent on dis team just ain't very good and da team is even worster, ai na?
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on November 18, 2016, 05:47:34 PM
How do you define good team? They were a tournament team last year and have a good chance to be one again this year. I'd sure love for Marquette to be at that level.
Marquette will never again be at that level as long as Wojo is coach. His teams don't learn because he doesn't teach. He'll be back as an assistant at Duke in two years.
My couple takeaways
1. What is this offense? It's like watching the NBA. Everything was isolation until they hit a double team and then it was game over. I'd rather have the Crean 'pass it around the perimiter for 25 seconds' than this junk.
2. JJJ... I'm not sure I've seen a player moping around as much as he did in that game. Even when they were in a winnable position, he looked mopey because he wasn't getting his individual stats.
3. Individual stats: Is it me or does JJJ and Reinhardt look like they are just trying to put up numbers?
4. Sweet last play for a 5'10" guy to drive against two monsters.
5. Defense is another story, starts with Fischer that obviously can't play defense without fouling.
Other than Mike Brey, what former Duke assistant has done anything with a head coaching gig? Wojo's top accomplishment in his coaching career so far has been sitting next to Coach K, looking concerned about stuff.
Clearly, he cannot yet teach a team to execute when it counts. Also, why has he refused to bring any experience to his staff? Someone who has actually accomplished something in their coaching career? We could use it right about now.
But I guess we can pick up a bunch of wins against IUPUI and others and tout another 20-win season this year. Hooray.
Whatever Georgetown has we caught.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Wainwright (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Wainwright)
Is he still at Fresno State? We could make him an offer he can't refuse.
Are short shorts back? I guess they are, they were just as bad when I wore them in 1989
MU done in by a 6'8 forward. Weird.
Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2016, 06:01:45 PM
MU done in by a 6'8 forward. Weird.
He's listed as 6ft 9, 240. But he is extremely talented and just had his way with a skinny up front MU backline.
Thats why I was really hoping MU got that Hashan French kid at 6ft 7, 250, because he is the type that MU really, really needs. Oh well, Wojo has his shooters.
My point still applies.
I've wondered it before but I'm now really starting to question Wojo's ability to answer counters. I think he can gameplan pretty well but once the other team adjusts, he seems to have little to no answer. This is, again, why I'd love to see a crusty veteran coach on the bench.
Also, Wojo stuck with Rowsey too long tonight. He had the hot hand for a while but his last FG came with 9 minutes left. It's like leaving your #4 starting pitcher in too long. At a certain point, you've got to realize that you've gotten all you're going to get out of him and bring in a fresh, more capable player. Rowsey is an energy guy off the bench he's going to hit the occasional 3. If he's expected to put the team on his back down the stretch, it's not going to end well.
On the missed 3/o-rebound that tower has mentioned, Hauser was the only player to come even remotely close to getting a body on someone and blocking out. That's unacceptable.
Pitt is not a good team period. We let them back in the game by playing subpar defense all game (as evidenced by our inability to stop them without fouling) + weird subs on offense.
Unless the defense changes dramatically we are in for more hand wringing.
Our deficiencies all seem to be coachable things.
Bón Season everyone.
One thing I don't understand is that Fischer is trying to avoid his 4th foul but he is not the focal point on the offense. What is the point of playing him then? You are basically playing 5 on 4.5 on defense but his offense is not that critical as we are not consistently getting him the ball.
They gambled on assistants thrice before and came up aces. Not this time.
This is a really poorly coached basketball team. I know it won't happen, but after they miss the tournament again, I'm ready for a change.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on November 18, 2016, 06:39:34 PM
One thing I don't understand is that Fischer is trying to avoid is 4th foul but he is not the focal point on the offense. What is the point of playing him then? You are basically playing 5 on 4.5 on defense but his offense is not that critical as we are not consistently getting him the ball.
Great question. This might be the worst coached game in the Wojo era. That in itself is quite telling.
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 18, 2016, 06:43:54 PM
They gambled on assistants thrice before and came up aces. Not this time.
This is a really poorly coached basketball team. I know it won't happen, but after they miss the tournament again, I'm ready for a change.
It won't but it should. The direction this program is headed is a little unsettling. Little discipline and lack of fundamentals are surprising since it was a point of emphasis all off season
We got way to excited over mu when they were only 2-0
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on November 18, 2016, 06:55:55 PM
We got way to excited over mu when they were only 2-0
Probably, and we're probably too down on them now.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 18, 2016, 07:01:26 PM
Probably, and we're probably too down on them now.
its only 2 games we have more to come. Hopefully we can get these next couple games
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 18, 2016, 06:43:54 PM
They gambled on assistants thrice before and came up aces. Not this time.
This is a really poorly coached basketball team. I know it won't happen, but after they miss the tournament again, I'm ready for a change.
Too early for a change, BUT, does anyone know what Cuonzo Martin did that resulted in him reportedly "bombing" his interview when he was THE candidate? He seems to be doing pretty well, especially as it pertains to recruiting, at Cal thus far. I'm not saying he is the answer but am curious as to why a NCAA tournament head coach had the job and instead MU went with an assistant from a program with a solid track record of turning out assistants that are mediocre coaches (Snyder, Henderson, Collins, Dawkins).
Stopped following when Pitt cut the lead to 54-47 since the wife wanted some help. But felt the game starting to slip away at that point.
Checked back when Pitt was up 75-72 with 2:23 left, then final. Couldn't even bare to follow down the stretch. Just gut wrenching.
Think I need a Scoop break. Not sure when I'll be back. Hope you are all well in the meantime.
Wilson should be the first or second option on this team. Refuse to believe he's regressed to the eighth man in the rotation. I stand by my opinion from last year that he's the one who should be taking the final shot, yet he's not even on the floor.
Among all of the debatable coaching moves, that one is the most difficult to understand. That last time out, I had mentally put Duane in the game and was already planning the 4 guard motion. When doogie came out, u knew we were in trouble.
Duane has to be on the floor at that point.
Wojo has head up his kielbasa.
Wilson averaged over 11 ppg as a frosh with several high scoring games. Now he is gettin about 14 minutes. Just plain idiocy.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/pittsburgh-panthers-at-marquette-golden-eagles/game-center/sp-id-30401000001685395
Box and recap.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 18, 2016, 07:01:26 PM
Probably, and we're probably too down on them now.
yes and great point rock. 4 games in and the fat lady's singing? i think we all need a little cooling off period by re-opening the politics for a little anger management, eyn'er?
in all seriousness, i am hoping to reference some of the doomsday stuff here in march. this is sounding like the "score" on a late sunday afternoon. we definitely have some work to do and the word quit ain't in wojo's vocabularythis was one thatgot away. now we have to go out and win one that we weren't expected to win. especially in late february/early march when. come on guys, we don't want to peak too early
how does that go again? ya don't know whatcha got 'till it's gone...
Rocket, you are not as far off base as usual. It is a long season. In back to back games, we lost to a surprisingly good team we matched up poorly with and blew a late lead against a team that is basically the same as we are. Our weaknesses were exposed. Wojo isn't going to quit and isn't going to get fired. So, back to the drawing board and time to examine some pre-conceived notions about the rotation and the defense.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 18, 2016, 05:39:56 PM
Coaching is horrible.
Pitt not very good at all, we are worse. After watching the Gavitt games we are way behind the top and middle of conference.
Agreed. Offense is 1) drive until stopped then throw a Hail Mary, 2) chuck a 3 as soon as you get the ball, 3) give to Fish and hope for the best and 4) repeat again and again after each failure. Can someone explain shot selection, dribble drive and outlet passing? Also how about guards who guard their man? Who is held accountable? Can anyone watch a top ten team film and learn something. What do we go over in practice? It is no clear to me what fundamentals have been taught in 3 years.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 18, 2016, 07:10:19 PM
Too early for a change, BUT, does anyone know what Cuonzo Martin did that resulted in him reportedly "bombing" his interview when he was THE candidate? He seems to be doing pretty well, especially as it pertains to recruiting, at Cal thus far. I'm not saying he is the answer but am curious as to why a NCAA tournament head coach had the job and instead MU went with an assistant from a program with a solid track record of turning out assistants that are mediocre coaches (Snyder, Henderson, Collins, Dawkins).
IIRC, it's not that Cuonzo bombed as much as it was that Wojo was hyper-enthusiastic and blew everyone's socks off in the interview. All that glitters is not gold, I suppose.
I was ambivalent about Cuonzo, stoked about Howland, and disappointed with the choice of Wojo. Wojo's recruiting ability eventually softened the blow a bit, but everything else on his end has been lacking,the most salient of which has been his lack of leadership.
Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2016, 07:39:30 PM
Rocket, you are not as far off base as usual. It is a long season. In back to back games, we lost to a surprisingly good team we matched up poorly with and blew a late lead against a team that is basically the same as we are. Our weaknesses were exposed. Wojo isn't going to quit and isn't going to get fired. So, back to the drawing board and time to examine some pre-conceived notions about the rotation and the defense.
Ya know that old saying about blind squirrels? ;D
This one hurt. We had it! I liked the fire our guys showed in the 2nd half yesterday and thought it would carry over. We actually weren't that far off from pulling out a real "eye opener". A few more 3's a rebound, a steal, a lucky bounce, hey, maybe even a call our way...
We don't know what went on behind closed doors yesterday. There are a lot of temptations in the big city. Not trying to start anything but last time I checked, no one in here was a fly on the wall. Lessons learned, get pissed off and we could see a whole different team over the next 10 games. Nothing worse than a basketball player scorned
Quote from: warriorstrack on November 18, 2016, 05:52:17 PM
I would love to see a start to finish well executed game plan this Tuesday. MU can definitely make a move this season, I see a lot of potential, but it needs to manifest itself on the court. IUPUI blasted Howard today, they aren't going away easy on Tuesday.
IUPUI took Marquette to overtime last year.
Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2016, 07:39:30 PM
Rocket, you are not as far off base as usual. It is a long season. In back to back games, we lost to a surprisingly good team we matched up poorly with and blew a late lead against a team that is basically the same as we are. Our weaknesses were exposed. Wojo isn't going to quit and isn't going to get fired. So, back to the drawing board and time to examine some pre-conceived notions about the rotation and the defense.
So you're saying Wojo keeps his job even with, say, a 6-12 BE record? Don't think so.
Quote from: ecompt on November 18, 2016, 08:01:21 PM
So you're saying Wojo keeps his job even with, say, a 6-12 BE record? Don't think so.
Yes. He is signed through 2020. He gets at least one more year beyond this one.
5 years. 14-15 probably doesn't count according to the administration.
So, no, his seat remains cool.
Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2016, 07:39:30 PM
Rocket, you are not as far off base as usual. It is a long season. In back to back games, we lost to a surprisingly good team we matched up poorly with and blew a late lead against a team that is basically the same as we are. Our weaknesses were exposed. Wojo isn't going to quit and isn't going to get fired. So, back to the drawing board and time to examine some pre-conceived notions about the rotation and the defense.
Tower, you're a level-headed guy, but its getting difficult to overlook the issues with the Wojo regime. I don't see the growth as a game coach.
Yes, it is early in the season, but he has no clue on a rotation or roles. Just look at the point guard situation. Tonight, Rowsey was the third PG to play, but yet in crunch time, we are running iso plays for him? Really?
And, what about player development? JJJ still has no left hand. Maddening. How many times tonight did he get into the lane and had a chance to finish with the left, but instead spun back middle into the d? At least four. Even Junior Cadougan had a functional left hand by his senior year.
Thanks. I am neither blind nor oblivious. Read some of my criticisms about toughness and rotations. I don't know if it will get better.
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1) More Rowsey, Hauser, and Duane, less Katin and JJJ.
2) Wojo waited too long to switch Hauser onto young.
3) Get IUPUI Tuesday.
Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2016, 08:11:19 PM
Thanks. I am neither blind nor oblivious. Read some of my criticisms about toughness and rotations. I don't know if it will get better.
I know. Just getting some frustrations out and seriously thinking that Wojo may not be the guy to get this going again.
Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2016, 08:05:17 PM
5 years. 14-15 probably doesn't count according to the administration.
So, no, his seat remains cool.
You're probably right. But I wonder if all those empty seats in January and February will hasten his departure.
I've been very supportive of Wojo to date. I am, however, starting to get annoyed. I remember having doubts about the downhome lonesome cowboy and his in-game adjustments but he was much more responsive than Wojo. I'm not sure how all this is going to work out. It's like he sees things going to hell right before his eyes and does nothing about it. It's like he's in a catatonic state.
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 18, 2016, 05:37:15 PM
I don't think it is, but in my opinion, Wojo's seat should be getting warm. Two inexcusable losses for different reasons, but just poor roster management pervasive in both
How are loses on neutral courts to teams ranked the same level as you "inexcusable"?
I think its funny that people are blaming Wojo for the defense on Michael Young. He had a solid first half with 11 points. Nothing dominating and we were up 11. Not many adjustments needed to be made. Young all of the sudden got hot after the 12 minute TV timeout. He scored 12 points in 3 minutes. Between timeouts. There is not many adjustments that Wojo can make while the game is going on. They found a weakness and exploited it. After the timeout, Wojo made adjustments, Luke was guarding Young much more aggressively. He didn't score another 2P FG. He did drain a three pointer, but the kid hit all of 4 of them last season. I don't really blame em for giving him that look.
Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2016, 07:17:15 PM
Among all of the debatable coaching moves, that one is the most difficult to understand. That last time out, I had mentally put Duane in the game and was already planning the 4 guard motion. When doogie came out, u knew we were in trouble.
Duane has to be on the floor at that point.
This is the one I questioned the most as well. Duane seemed to be the only one besides Rowsey having any sort of success getting past their defense. Not sure why he didn't get more run at the end.
Quote from: ecompt on November 18, 2016, 08:01:21 PM
So you're saying Wojo keeps his job even with, say, a 6-12 BE record? Don't think so.
wait a second, who said anything about 6-12? last time i checked, our record was 2-2. if it's 6-12 by the end of feb., we'll talk about 6-12. can't put he ponies before the chuckwagon
Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 18, 2016, 10:00:08 PM
wait a second, who said anything about 6-12? last time i checked, our record was 2-2. if it's 6-12 by the end of feb., we'll talk about 6-12. can't put he ponies before the chuckwagon
Actually, it's 0-0. Big East play hasn't started yet.
We choked.
Plain and simple.
Up by, what 12, 14?
Luckily it's early.
What Wojo brings to the table is mediocrity and he is very good at it.
Wow. I was a little down after the game. Now, after reading this thread, I am perched on the ledge and am truly contemplating making the 40-story leap.
Not only would some of y'all probably say, "Have a good trip," but it looks like most of y'all would say, "And I hope you land on Wojo and squash him like a bug."
Look, I am NOT saying Wojo is the next Al, but ...
Al went 8-18 in his first season. He went 14-12 in his second season. He then started his third with 3 losses in 4 games (the lone win over NYU). The Warriors went into the new year that season with a 3-5 record.
Scoopers woulda been lining up with pitchforks and torches, damning him for eternity and saying he has to go. "That's what happens when you bring in some loser from Belmont Abbey!"
Yep, shoulda canned him. That way, all the recruits he had brought in could have gone elsewhere and we could have started yet another rebuilding phase. What could have gone wrong?
OK, kids, might be time for me to take a little Scoopcation for a couple of days.
Enjoy the bile, folks!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 18, 2016, 09:33:54 PM
There is not many adjustments that Wojo can make while the game is going on.
Really?? There are not many adjustments that a head coach can make to stop the excessive bleeding?
Just gotta wait til practice next week?
Observations from listening on the radio:
1. I cringed every time I heard Homer report Reinhardt was taking a shot.
2. Couldn't figure out why we weren't doubling or doing something different whenever Young had the ball.
3. Broeker's no Mac, but not half bad. Still shouldn't quit his day job.
4. The description of our last possessions was bad enough on the radio, must have been excruciating watching on TV.
Quote from: We R Final Four on November 18, 2016, 10:35:50 PM
Really?? There are not many adjustments that a head coach can make to stop the excessive bleeding?
Just gotta wait til practice next week?
Read the post again. Was saying coaches can't make many adjustments while the clock is running. Coaches make major adjustments during timeouts. Young exploded for 12 points in 3 minutes, between timeouts. Once Wojo got a timeout, he didn't score another 2 PT FG the rest of the game. I'd hear an argument that Wojo should have taken a timeout sooner. But the argument that Wojo didn't successfully adjust the defense against Young doesn't really hold water.
Quote from: MU82 on November 18, 2016, 10:30:54 PM
Wow. I was a little down after the game. Now, after reading this thread, I am perched on the ledge and am truly contemplating making the 40-story leap.
Not only would some of y'all probably say, "Have a good trip," but it looks like most of y'all would say, "And I hope you land on Wojo and squash him like a bug."
Look, I am NOT saying Wojo is the next Al, but ...
Al went 8-18 in his first season. He went 14-12 in his second season. He then started his third with 3 losses in 4 games (the lone win over NYU). The Warriors went into the new year that season with a 3-5 record.
Scoopers woulda been lining up with pitchforks and torches, damning him for eternity and saying he has to go. "That's what happens when you bring in some loser from Belmont Abbey!"
Yep, shoulda canned him. That way, all the recruits he had brought in could have gone elsewhere and we could have started yet another rebuilding phase. What could have gone wrong?
OK, kids, might be time for me to take a little Scoopcation for a couple of days.
Enjoy the bile, folks!
Please stop with the Al record comparison over the first three seasons. Wojo is no Al at any level on or off the court. Al was working with any empty cupboard and virtually no resources. Wojo had an empty locker room and a boatload of resources. Wojo needs to figure it out and fairly quickly.
Quote from: MU82 on November 18, 2016, 10:30:54 PM
Enjoy the bile, folks!
Bile is what turns your sh1t brown
I'm not really sure what people wanted out of the timeout. I really think people are just looking for reasons to complain, and the play didn't result in a basket so they're going to complain regardless of what the call was.
Rowsey hit 2 threes and had the defense running at him. He also drew contact 3 times and was sent to the line. He also finished 2 layups at the rim and dropped off a nice pass for a Heldt and one going to the bucket. On the last play he got around a defender attempting to keep him from pulling up for 3 off of the pick and tried to go into the defender's body. Unfortunately they defended it well and his defender continued to pursue him and made a play. It happens. Didn't see anyone complaining when JJJ went 1 on 3 and got swatted out of bounds.
What would posters have liked? A dump down to Luke for a jump hook? Because that worked so well the last 2 games (not to mention taking your only big out of a chance for an offensive rebound)... Maybe a pull up jumper for Katin? Again, been working great so far this year... Possibly JJJ running one on 5 into the lane and throwing up a prayer while falling to the ground and letting Pitt get a runout again? Hmm, sounds good to me...
Rowsey was our best player today. When you're down 1 and in the double bonus I see absolutely nothing wrong with giving it to a guy who's already shot 8 FTs to the point and letting him try to either finish or go to the line.
This game was lost in a three minute period. Sam Hauser had just hit a three to put us up 10. Seemed like we had killed the mini run they had gone on. Was feeling pretty good with only 12 minutes to play. The following three minutes was just brutal:
1. It started with Young getting the first 2 points of the 12 consecutive points that he was about to score. That shot wasn't poorly defended. It was a late in the shot clock fade away shot from around the baseline with a hand in his face. No business going in but good player make tough shots. Pitt down 8.
2. Traci getting his pocket picked. Was careless with the ball and Pitt managed a steal. What's worse, he responded by unnecessarily hacking the guy who took it from him and was called for his 3rd or 4th foul.
3. The foul sets up Young for another jumper. This one was a higher % shot but Luke was still there. Luke had had three fouls and wasn't nearly physical enough with Young. Pitt down 6.
4. Sensing the momentum shift, JJJ takes it upon himself to barrel straight at the defense in the first 5 seconds of the possession. Young not only swats it, but gets his own rebound. This is not the first time we have seen this. The last two games, whenever the other team gets on a run, our team stops running the offense and starts playing hero ball.
5. Other end, Young makes another jumper. This one was open IIRC. Pitt down 4. This is where I think we should have called timeout. Mistake on Wojo's part IMHO.
6. Duane decides its his turn to play hero ball, drives right at the bigs and this time the white big swats it. This creates not quite a fast break, but they hustle down before the defense is set and Young bullies his way past Luke for a contested layup that goes in. Pitt down 2.
7. This time, they dump it in to Luke. He dribbles the ball in the post for at least 5 seconds before putting up a contested hook shot from too far away.
8. Pitt runs and beats the defense down again and Young gets an easy layup. Game is tied.
The main issue I took away from this run was that our team stops trusting the offense when the other team goes on a run. It seems like JJJ, Duane, Katin, or Luke take it upon themselves to stop the run themselves. The ball stops moving and they just try to iso themselves to the bucket. I appreciate the mentality, but the only way we will win is as a team. We simply don't have the individual star power to take over like that. Part of this is a decision making issue on the players. But it is also a coaching issue. Wojo needs to make sure that his seniors know that the way to end runs is by executing the offense. Not by hero ball.
A lot has been made of the defense on Young. He exploded for 12 points in three minutes between timeouts. I think Wojo needed to recognize the run and call the timeout sooner to make the adjustment. But after that timeout Young only managed three more points and it was on a three pointer. Since he made all of 4 of them last season, I don't really mind letting him shoot that.
I criticized Wojo's defensive strategy yesterday. Really thought he should have turned up the pressure and turned it into a track meet. I thought he should have done the same here tonight. I wonder if the early foul trouble kept him from unleashing the dogs. High pressure often leads to fouls. The way the refs were calling it, we couldn't afford any more fouls. I really struggle understanding what is and isn't a foul these days. Jamel Artis was allowed to barrel in out of control and was gifted with 4 foul calls. Hannie, Rowsey, and JJJ were driving all night and getting bumped and hit constantly and only managed three fouls drawn between the three of them (not including Rowsey's 3PT fakeouts).
Ryan Luther had one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen. Shoved Duane in the back of the head, throwing him to the ground when he was bending over for a loose ball. Ref must not have had a good angle on it because it was very obvious from where I was sitting behind the MU bench.
For all the moaning on here, it was a three point loss to a bubblish/NIT team on a neutral court. Certainly not good, but far from the disaster it is being made out to be. We kept turnovers down and we outrebounded them on the offensive glass. We lost the free throw battle and we had an awful shooting night. I don't think there will be many games this season where we shoot 28% from 3 or less. We shoot how we normally should and we win this game easy. Hopefully we use the next three cupcakes to get our shooting confidence back and reestablish trust in the offense.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=400926409
Recap of the game. Liked this bit:
"Marquette: The Warriors are home for three games against IUPUI, Houston Baptist and Western Carolina."
The Kentucky dribble drive offense that Wojo is trying to run (because kids love to hear it) is OK for KY when you've got the top 6'8" athletes in the country doing it. When you are doing it with little guys, it just becomes an excuse for selfish play. When the coaches don't teach where the kickouts are and how to use them, it's even worse.
In other words, time for a new offense that's suited to the talent the team has.
Quote from: MU82 on November 18, 2016, 10:30:54 PM
Wow. I was a little down after the game. Now, after reading this thread, I am perched on the ledge and am truly contemplating making the 40-story leap.
Not only would some of y'all probably say, "Have a good trip," but it looks like most of y'all would say, "And I hope you land on Wojo and squash him like a bug."
Look, I am NOT saying Wojo is the next Al, but ...
Al went 8-18 in his first season. He went 14-12 in his second season. He then started his third with 3 losses in 4 games (the lone win over NYU). The Warriors went into the new year that season with a 3-5 record.
Scoopers woulda been lining up with pitchforks and torches, damning him for eternity and saying he has to go. "That's what happens when you bring in some loser from Belmont Abbey!"
Yep, shoulda canned him. That way, all the recruits he had brought in could have gone elsewhere and we could have started yet another rebuilding phase. What could have gone wrong?
OK, kids, might be time for me to take a little Scoopcation for a couple of days.
Enjoy the bile, folks!
Wow, didn't know Charlotte had 40 story buildin's. what a metropolis, hey?
Quote from: WarriorFan on November 19, 2016, 01:41:57 AM
The Kentucky dribble drive offense that Wojo is trying to run (because kids love to hear it) is OK for KY when you've got the top 6'8" athletes in the country doing it. When you are doing it with little guys, it just becomes an excuse for selfish play. When the coaches don't teach where the kickouts are and how to use them, it's even worse.
In other words, time for a new offense that's suited to the talent the team has.
Don't confuse the team offense for the offense that some of our players fall into when the other team gets on a run. Some of our players take it upon themselves to end runs by themselves and try to iso their way to victory. Wojo needs to nip that in the bud right now. It killed us during the Pitt game and was one of the many things that killed us during the Michigan game.
Quote from: WarriorFan on November 19, 2016, 01:41:57 AM
The Kentucky dribble drive offense that Wojo is trying to run (because kids love to hear it) is OK for KY when you've got the top 6'8" athletes in the country doing it. When you are doing it with little guys, it just becomes an excuse for selfish play. When the coaches don't teach where the kickouts are and how to use them, it's even worse.
In other words, time for a new offense that's suited to the talent the team has.
He's not running dribble drive as I understand it. Kentucky's dribble drive has no screeners up top. We screen up top all the time.
Now the last play had some of those elements with Rowsey driving there but I don't think that is their base offense.
I will say this...
Pitt is:
- a very tall team (average height on the floor)
-a very experienced team with high minutes continuity from last season
We held our own on the boards; turnovers were essentially even.
We took a lot of threes and didn't make a good percentage of them 7/25 for 28.0%.. 38.5% of our attempts were threes.
Pittsburgh used their size and our poor defense to waltz to a 60.0% 2FG outing - just like Michigan did.
MU allowed opponents to shoot 60% or better 2FG 5 times last season. We've done it in 2 of 4 this year.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 19, 2016, 08:32:27 AM
Don't confuse the team offense for the offense that some of our players fall into when the other team gets on a run. Some of our players take it upon themselves to end runs by themselves and try to iso their way to victory. Wojo needs to nip that in the bud right now. It killed us during the Pitt game and was one of the many things that killed us during the Michigan game.
Amen
I have zero expectations for the rest of the season with wojo at the helm. best not to get let down.
if this continues hopefully the empty seats in jan and feb get the administration's attention that change is needed
"if this continues hopefully the empty seats in jan and feb get the administration's attention that change is needed"
correction-hopefully, it's the win/loss numbers that get the administrations attention, enna so? the other numbers should speak for themselves.
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 18, 2016, 05:37:21 PM
We're making freshmen mistakes -- AGAIN. This time as sophomores.
Wahhh? Our SENIORS are making freshmen mistakes. They have been for 3 years and no one has fixed it.
Quote from: warriorfan 14 on November 20, 2016, 07:29:20 PM
I have zero expectations for the rest of the season with wojo at the helm. best not to get let down.
if this continues hopefully the empty seats in jan and feb get the administration's attention that change is needed
Unfortunately our University leadership has a man crush on Wojo. He is here for the remainder of his contract.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on November 20, 2016, 09:24:51 PM
Unfortunately our University leadership has a man crush on Wojo. He is here for the remainder of his contract.
Doubt it. Losses pile up, students and alumni don't show up, players taking hikes. Under ,500 in the BE and they should look seriously in another direction. You can't pee away the next three years because Wojo got an extension he didn't deserve.
Just re-watched the game. Our best 5 was at the end of the first half with:
Heldt
JJJ
Rowsey
Hauser
Duane
This combination of shooting, driving and hustle really worked. I want to see more of it.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 19, 2016, 07:56:23 AM
Wow, didn't know Charlotte had 40 story buildin's. what a metropolis, hey?
Did I say 40-story building? I meant 40-inch building block.
Management regrets the error.